[Edit: Just looked at some archives and decided to copy a whole post from /r/Incels.
will write "Edit:" when I want to say something so it doesn't affect the original post.
Wish I could give the original OP some praise but he got banned from Reddit (before the post was archived) and couldn't find it with sites that restore Deleted Links/Comments from reddit.
Everything is backed up by pure science.
I've updated every link with an unarchived one unless the link was deleted (Archived and non archived).
Some links redirected to pictures which I have downloaded and just uploaded here (much easier).
Read the sources because they contain lots of information. To ITCucks.. what you're going to read now is 100% backed by science and is true. What you've seen or what you feel doesn't count one single bit. Your experiences don't count because experiences can be adjusted to the needs of your mental health.
]
Black Pill Edition: Female nature
The relevance of personality as a petulant farce
Small Appetizer
Before we start with the more serious studies let me present you a small appetizer to stimulate the intake of the Black Pill.
A couple of years ago OkCupid conducted an interesting experiment. January 15th, 2013 was proclaimed by OkCupid as “Love is Blind Day” to celebrate the launch of a blind dating app released on that same day.
During “Love is Blind Day”, pictures were removed from OkCupid for a total of 7 hours and so data was gathered and the way people interacted with each other visibly changed.
As you can see, there was more and deeper conversation with an increase in exchange of personal information. A vast improvement for everyone! So, it seemed.
Here’s what happened next:
Starting from the moment OkCupid released the photos, conversations died down almost immediately. The conversation life expectancy dropped nearly 30% just two messages later in the thread when the photos were back on.
[EDIT: In easy words: Personality matters in scenarios where your looks aren't to be seen. Your personality can be used to measure your looks by women. A good confident personality is associated with good looks but once the femoid knows you don't have the looks to back it up. Interest drops
]
There was another also another smaller experiment, that can be summarized by this excerpt:
The text makes almost no difference on how you’re viewed.
Lastly, there was also the experiment where Okcupid let people predict personality based on profiles. In this case a beautiful picture strongly correlates with a beautiful personality when you let people be the judge. Third Graph.
Conclusion:
Photos have a greater impact on the course of a conversation than the intimacy of that same conversation, which displayed the personality of both correspondents. The text added to your profile meant to introduce your characteristics, plays an insignificant role next to the photo. Your personality will be established in advance primarily based on your photo.
source: We experiment on human beings.
Edit: Author has deleted original link (Blackpill was 2 much appearantly) so this link is also archived. You'll have to wait a couple of seconds until it opens.
What is beautiful is good, really good.
It's commonly known that "looks matter", but have you asked yourself the question: How much do they matter? Especially in regards to the widely and heavily emphasized personality?
Let us take a look in some more professional studies who have pondered this same question.
In the year 2015, a study in Italy (subject: social psychology) researched the effects of attractiveness, status and gender on the evaluation of personality.
quote:
I chose this particular study, because it's recent and the first of it's kind. A myriad of older studies have already concluded that perceiving a person as good looking fosters positive expectations about personal characteristics
edit: Used to be a source but it's removed.
Off topic personal note:
It’s not that incels have bad personalities, they are perceived as such because of their looks. Now you’ll say that we possess misogynistic and violent attitudes but ask yourself, was this behavior preempted by the way we were treated or did we grow towards it?
Now to the final closure of this particular study.
In other words, it’s better to be an attractive man than to be an attractive woman.
Source for the cursive text
Female nature
Excellent genes or providing ability
The covering of personality serves as a foundation to grasp in a clearer manner for what I am going to say next. Now, what does a woman want when looking for a mate?
Let's look at this from an evolutionary perspective.
Physical attractiveness and especially masculinity indicate good genetic quality, which is important for healthy offspring while ability to provide amplifies the survival rate of offspring because it needs sufficient resources to survive as well(2).
The reason why masculinity plays an enormous role in the mating choices of the human female, is because masculinity in itself greatly enhances physical attractiveness. However, a female's desire for strong masculine features may be influenced depending on whether she wants a long term relationship or a short term one on which I'll come back later.
YOUR PERSONALITY IS ASSESSED THROUGH YOUR FACE
This may be well and good, but women want men who possess certain personality traits too. Someone who they can form an emotional connection with is what they claim. Funnily enough, the way your personality is judged is through your face. You will not be liked for your personality but in fact for your face. People do not care for who you are but what you look like. As you already know: “The better your face, the better your so called personality”.
The meme is confirmed true.
Being aware of this prospect makes women pickier than thought before. At first women emphasizing the importance of personality made them seem much less shallow since anyone, regardless of looks can possess a certain personality. Now it is not really a certain personality they are desiring, but a certain face that looks like that personality.
THE INFLUENCE OF THE MENSTRUAL CYCLE
It's possible one could be thinking that none of this poses an actual problem because different women want different personalities, thus different faces. Following from that, most men should still have a shot.
Things are a little trickier than that, unfortunately.
During ovulation, when a woman is most fertile and the best moment for impregnation; her desires for masculine features increase significantly and so her chances for cheating in her quest for a sexy masculine man(4).
The perfect strategy for a female is to be impregnated by a masculine dominant man and be provided by less masculine more loyal and less dominant men.
For reference. From most masculine to less masculine:
If you understand this, it’s far easier grasp how it comes that 8000 years ago when there was no civilization; 1 man used to reproduce for 17 women. I can only hypothesize the female copulated with the dominant masculine males while being provided by ignorant less masculine men(5).
Final conclusion:
You are not desired for your personality as man. You are desired for your looks, genes or ability to provide.
will write "Edit:" when I want to say something so it doesn't affect the original post.
Wish I could give the original OP some praise but he got banned from Reddit (before the post was archived) and couldn't find it with sites that restore Deleted Links/Comments from reddit.
Everything is backed up by pure science.
I've updated every link with an unarchived one unless the link was deleted (Archived and non archived).
Some links redirected to pictures which I have downloaded and just uploaded here (much easier).
Read the sources because they contain lots of information. To ITCucks.. what you're going to read now is 100% backed by science and is true. What you've seen or what you feel doesn't count one single bit. Your experiences don't count because experiences can be adjusted to the needs of your mental health.
]
Black Pill Edition: Female nature
The relevance of personality as a petulant farce
Small Appetizer
Before we start with the more serious studies let me present you a small appetizer to stimulate the intake of the Black Pill.
A couple of years ago OkCupid conducted an interesting experiment. January 15th, 2013 was proclaimed by OkCupid as “Love is Blind Day” to celebrate the launch of a blind dating app released on that same day.
During “Love is Blind Day”, pictures were removed from OkCupid for a total of 7 hours and so data was gathered and the way people interacted with each other visibly changed.
As you can see, there was more and deeper conversation with an increase in exchange of personal information. A vast improvement for everyone! So, it seemed.
Here’s what happened next:
- When the photos were restored at 4PM, 2,200 people were in the middle of conversations that had started “blind”. Those conversations melted away. The goodness was gone, in fact worse than gone. It was like we’d turned on the bright lights at the bar at midnight.
Starting from the moment OkCupid released the photos, conversations died down almost immediately. The conversation life expectancy dropped nearly 30% just two messages later in the thread when the photos were back on.
[EDIT: In easy words: Personality matters in scenarios where your looks aren't to be seen. Your personality can be used to measure your looks by women. A good confident personality is associated with good looks but once the femoid knows you don't have the looks to back it up. Interest drops
]
There was another also another smaller experiment, that can be summarized by this excerpt:
- We took a small sample of users and half the time we showed them, we hid their profile text. That generated two independent sets of scores for each profile, one score for “the picture and the text together” and one for “the picture alone.” Here’s how they compare. Again, each dot is a user. Essentially, the text is less than 10% of what people think of you.
The text makes almost no difference on how you’re viewed.
Lastly, there was also the experiment where Okcupid let people predict personality based on profiles. In this case a beautiful picture strongly correlates with a beautiful personality when you let people be the judge. Third Graph.
Conclusion:
Photos have a greater impact on the course of a conversation than the intimacy of that same conversation, which displayed the personality of both correspondents. The text added to your profile meant to introduce your characteristics, plays an insignificant role next to the photo. Your personality will be established in advance primarily based on your photo.
source: We experiment on human beings.
Edit: Author has deleted original link (Blackpill was 2 much appearantly) so this link is also archived. You'll have to wait a couple of seconds until it opens.
What is beautiful is good, really good.
It's commonly known that "looks matter", but have you asked yourself the question: How much do they matter? Especially in regards to the widely and heavily emphasized personality?
Let us take a look in some more professional studies who have pondered this same question.
In the year 2015, a study in Italy (subject: social psychology) researched the effects of attractiveness, status and gender on the evaluation of personality.
quote:
- Present research examines the combined effects of attractiveness, occupational status, and gender on the evaluation of others’ personality, according to the Big Five model.
I chose this particular study, because it's recent and the first of it's kind. A myriad of older studies have already concluded that perceiving a person as good looking fosters positive expectations about personal characteristics
edit: Used to be a source but it's removed.
- The effects of attractiveness are strong and pervasive. As langlois et al. underline in their meta-analysis, attractiveness is a noteworthy advantage for both children and adults in almost every domain. Based on the “what is beautiful is good” effect (Dion et al. 1972), several studies (Edit: Links deleted.) demonstrated that this phenomenon functions as a stereotype, making the perceived link between appearance and personality larger than the actual link
- Indeed, people seem to assume that positive interpersonal qualities and physical attractiveness are systematically linked (i.e., a “halo effect”) (Andreoni & Petrie 2008; Callan, Powell, & Ellard, 2007; Smith, McIntosh, & Bazzini, 1999).
Off topic personal note:
It’s not that incels have bad personalities, they are perceived as such because of their looks. Now you’ll say that we possess misogynistic and violent attitudes but ask yourself, was this behavior preempted by the way we were treated or did we grow towards it?
Now to the final closure of this particular study.
- In general, results are in line with the ‘beauty is good’ effect (Dion et al., 1972), as people seem to believe that physical attractiveness implies positive personality traits, but the effects of attractiveness are different for men and women.
In other words, it’s better to be an attractive man than to be an attractive woman.
- For Extraversion the effect of attractiveness is the same for women and men but is stronger for male targets. Attractiveness has a positive effect on Conscientiousness only for women whereas it increases Openness only for men.
- Thus, overall the “beauty is good effect” seems to be greater for men.
Source for the cursive text
Female nature
Excellent genes or providing ability
The covering of personality serves as a foundation to grasp in a clearer manner for what I am going to say next. Now, what does a woman want when looking for a mate?
Let's look at this from an evolutionary perspective.
Physical attractiveness and especially masculinity indicate good genetic quality, which is important for healthy offspring while ability to provide amplifies the survival rate of offspring because it needs sufficient resources to survive as well(2).
The reason why masculinity plays an enormous role in the mating choices of the human female, is because masculinity in itself greatly enhances physical attractiveness. However, a female's desire for strong masculine features may be influenced depending on whether she wants a long term relationship or a short term one on which I'll come back later.
- From an evolutionary view, extremes of secondary sexual characteristics (more feminine for women, more masculine for men) are proposed to be attractive because they advertise the quality of an individual in terms of heritable benefits; they indicate that the owners of such characteristics possess good genes. In other words, such traits advertise the possession of genes that are beneficial to offspring inheriting them in terms of survival or reproduction
- Increasing the masculinity of face shape increased perceptions of dominance, masculinity and age but decreased perceptions of warmth, emotionality, honesty, cooperativeness and quality as a parent.
YOUR PERSONALITY IS ASSESSED THROUGH YOUR FACE
This may be well and good, but women want men who possess certain personality traits too. Someone who they can form an emotional connection with is what they claim. Funnily enough, the way your personality is judged is through your face. You will not be liked for your personality but in fact for your face. People do not care for who you are but what you look like. As you already know: “The better your face, the better your so called personality”.
- Personality traits are reported cross-culturally to be among the most important factors in partner choice by both sexes [1,118]. If desired personality is so important, it would appear likely that personality attributions elicited by a face would affect its attractiveness. For example, women who value cooperation and good parenting may avoid masculine-faced men. Thus, instead of feminine faces being attractive and this attractiveness driving positive personality attributions, it may be that the personality attributions are driving the attractiveness judgements.
The meme is confirmed true.
- One study has indeed demonstrated that a desire for some personality traits influences judgements of facial attractiveness [121]. Individuals valuing particular personality traits find faces appearing to display these traits attractive.
Being aware of this prospect makes women pickier than thought before. At first women emphasizing the importance of personality made them seem much less shallow since anyone, regardless of looks can possess a certain personality. Now it is not really a certain personality they are desiring, but a certain face that looks like that personality.
- Thus, desired personality influences perceptions of facial attractiveness in opposite sex faces, changing the result to: ‘what is good is beautiful’ [121].
THE INFLUENCE OF THE MENSTRUAL CYCLE
It's possible one could be thinking that none of this poses an actual problem because different women want different personalities, thus different faces. Following from that, most men should still have a shot.
Things are a little trickier than that, unfortunately.
During ovulation, when a woman is most fertile and the best moment for impregnation; her desires for masculine features increase significantly and so her chances for cheating in her quest for a sexy masculine man(4).
- Women prefer the smell of dominant males, more masculine male faces and men behaving more dominantly when at peak fertility than at other times in their menstrual cycle.
The perfect strategy for a female is to be impregnated by a masculine dominant man and be provided by less masculine more loyal and less dominant men.
- Cyclic preferences could influence women to select partners when most likely to become pregnant that possess traits that may be most likely to maximize their offspring's quality via attraction to masculinity or serve to help acquire investment via attraction to femininity.
For reference. From most masculine to less masculine:
If you understand this, it’s far easier grasp how it comes that 8000 years ago when there was no civilization; 1 man used to reproduce for 17 women. I can only hypothesize the female copulated with the dominant masculine males while being provided by ignorant less masculine men(5).
Final conclusion:
You are not desired for your personality as man. You are desired for your looks, genes or ability to provide.
