i wouldnt say sub 5. for me a 4 isnt an incel but the ugliest normie category. a 4 can still get laid but will forced to betabuxx or heavily orbit for the crumbs of chadlite and chad. 5 which is a normie still needs to simp and will most of the time go for fat girls since most girls are fat nowadays (surprise surprise thank the anti-body shaming movement for that, seeing 130-140 pounds 5'3 girls who think they are "curvy" while theyre just obese elephants). If you want a cute or even simply a skinny gf thats not a literal goblin u need to be 6/10 bare minimum, 7 to be sure.