Studies Show Quality Of Education Has Little Impact On Second & Third Gen Immigrants Scores

[DarkStar]

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Despite the fact that the schools of the new countries are inherently better than of their homelands, they still score within similar IQ-ranges

 

[Horatio Alger]

Fascinating how better eduction and nutrition has virtually no impact on their phenotypic IQ, this implies that the population of most countries have already reached their full cognitive potential

 

[fullofchagrin]

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Despite the fact that the schools of the new countries are inherently better than of their homelands, they still score within similar IQ-ranges

and you think that this is because of genetics?

 

[DarkStar]

Fascinating how better eduction and nutrition has virtually no impact on their phenotypic IQ, this implies that the population of most countries have already reached their full cognitive potential

I think some groups have the capability to improve by 5-10 points or so

 

[DarkStar]

and you think that this is because of genetics?

In part yes, why are you in such denial?

 

[Horatio Alger]

I think some groups have the capability to improve by 5-10 points or so

I should clarify, I meant most countries (vastly ranging from a handful to over a billion people) and not most groups

 

[fullofchagrin]

In part yes, why are you in such denial?

because it is simply not true. you said earlier that culture is a byproduct of genetics, i can reason with that, maybe some races can not build an advanced civilization by themselves. or perhaps it has more to do with geography, i don't know. but what is proven is that when people of that race grow up under the same conditions as people of more prosperous countries, they turn out the same.

those second and third gen immigrants do not live under the same conditions as the white natives.


don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing their niggerish behavior. but racial superiority (except that white people are more attractive) is nothing more than a myth

 

[Horatio Alger]

maybe some races can not build an advanced civilization by themselves.

Also you 2 paragraphs later:

but racial superiority (except that white people are more attractive) is nothing more than a myth

So the ability or inability for a race to independently build an advanced civilization is not indicative of higher genetic intelligence?

 

[fullofchagrin]

Also you 2 paragraphs later:

well yes, the first thing i said is also nothing more than a theory which there is zero evidence for. i just acknowledged that it might be true, since there is also no evidence to prove that it is untrue.

 

[Horatio Alger]

well yes, the first thing i said is also nothing more than a theory which there is zero evidence for. i just acknowledged that it might be true, since there is also no evidence to prove that it is untrue.

Then why are you so adamant on saying that racial superiority is a myth instead of being ambivalent?

 

[fullofchagrin]

Then why are you so adamant on saying that racial superiority is a myth instead of being ambivalent?

because there is no evidence for the claim. if i told you that god is a donkey, would you be ambivalent, or would you tell me im a retard while acknowledging that you can not disprove my absurd claim? perhaps this is a stupid analogy, but i have not slept in two days, i can not explain imyself better.

 

[DarkStar]

because it is simply not true.

Ok, and can you show something to disprove it then retard?

I like how this whole time neither you or anyone else showed a literal scientific study to back you up jfl

you said earlier that culture is a byproduct of genetics,

Yes, genetics can influence things to a degree

i can reason with that, maybe some races can not build an advanced civilization by themselves.

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or perhaps it has more to do with geography, i don't know.

I'd say both

And keep in mind, the argument we have also made is that the climate & geography can shape the way people behave, aka the expression of genes, which ofc over time can be selected for.

"The colder the winter temperatures and the more northerly the environment, the higher were the IQs that evolved. In corroboration of this thesis, Templer & Arikawa (2006) have reported a correlation across 129 nations of .66 between national IQs and low winter temperatures"

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/222557129_Temperature_skin_color_per_capita_income_and_IQ_An_international_perspective#:~:text=The%20colder%20the%20winter%20temperatures,IQs%20and%20low%20winter%20temperatures

but what is proven is that when people of that race grow up under the same conditions as people of more prosperous countries, they turn out the same.

Not as shown here

Here's another example:

Or here:

Trans-racial adoptees IQ seemingly regresses back to the norm of their race

those second and third gen immigrants do not live under the same conditions as the white natives.

That's incorrect, this literally examined that since Sweden is very Egalitarian & Social Democracy is the norm there, so ofc these children get equitable access at school.

don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing their niggerish behavior. but racial superiority (except that white people are more attractive) is nothing more than a myth

This isn't about "superiority" it's about understanding differences between races, calling it supremacy is a strawman

You're being disingenuous & naive

 

[Horatio Alger]

because there is no evidence for the claim. if i told you that god is a donkey, would you be ambivalent, or would you tell me im a retard while acknowledging that you can not disprove my absurd claim? perhaps this is a stupid analogy, but i have not slept in two days, i can not explain imyself better.

1. It is a perfectly sound concept with scientific mainstream support up until the Civil Rights era (where such an ideologically insidious concept to a certain group started to be suppressed)

2. How do you explain how polygenic scores (predicting the effects of multiple genetic variants on educational attainment) correlate 0.985!!! among ethnic groups? (Correlation between groups is higher than correlation btw individuals since exceptions to the rule cancels out at the group level)

How the mean IQ of U.S. blacks with no self reported white ancestry is 82 (when estimated genetic IQ of pure blacks from South Africa is 80 when you adjust for malnutrition)

How the mean IQ of mulattos from the data perfectly matches calculations based on their racial admixture???

How Native Americans average higher IQs than African Americans despite lower socioeconomic status???

 

[Antorian]

Almost like the issue is genetic...

Both external (enviroment/culture) and internal (genetic) have an influence on the individual.
If improving the enviroment resulted in minimum to no changes, then the issue is genetic.

 

[DarkStar]

Almost like the issue is genetic...

Both external (enviroment/culture) and internal (genetic) have an influence on the individual.
If improving the enviroment resulted in minimum to no changes, then the issue is genetic.

Honestly, I myself was willing to give environmental conditions -especially when factoring in younger ages- a bit of the benefit of the doubt despite being a believer in the heritability of it by genetics which ofc ties into race

Take a look at this.

1. It is a perfectly sound concept with scientific mainstream support up until the Civil Rights era (where such an ideologically insidious concept to a certain group started to be suppressed)

Can you show more stuff as to how this influenced it?

2. How do you explain how polygenic scores (predicting the effects of multiple genetic variants on educational attainment) correlate 0.985!!! among ethnic groups? (Correlation between groups is higher than correlation btw individuals since exceptions to the rule cancels out at the group level)

How the mean IQ of U.S. blacks with no self reported white ancestry is 82 (when estimated genetic IQ of pure blacks from South Africa is 80 when you adjust for malnutrition)

Exactly, and how it also finds an increase in cognitive ability amongst Blacks with more European DNA

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

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Despite the fact that the schools of the new countries are inherently better than of their homelands, they still score within similar IQ-ranges

Duh it's genetical. USA gets the cream of the crop Sands and Subsaharans, the high IQ maybe it's different with the Beaners . Europe gets the welfare scavenger refugees i.e lowest IQ. Which education can change that?

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Fascinating how better eduction and nutrition has virtually no impact on their phenotypic IQ, this implies that the population of most countries have already reached their full cognitive potential

No it's because Europe gets the welfare scavengers i.e criminals, labourers, mental refugees, low IQ , cousin marriage.


USA gets the self made millionaires children


IQ is inherited. There are high IQ shitskins, look at India which sent home made satellites to space made by shitskin scientists and I mean proper subhuman looking shitskins but high IQ and then why are the Currys in Europe mostly doing unskilled labour ?


IQ is inherited

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Fascinating how better eduction and nutrition has virtually no impact on their phenotypic IQ, this implies that the population of most countries have already reached their full cognitive potential

It's claimed by Arabs in the middle East that their mental asylums and prisons emptied and their shit of society sent to Europe when Merkel invited them. That's why they behave like savages , many are actually schizophrenic and other disorders and inbred

 

[DarkStar]

No it's because Europe gets the welfare scavengers i.e criminals, labourers, mental refugees, low IQ , cousin marriage.


USA gets the self made millionaires children


IQ is inherited. There are high IQ shitskins, look at India which sent home made satellites to space made by shitskin scientists and I mean proper subhuman looking shitskins but high IQ and then why are the Currys in Europe mostly doing unskilled labour ?


IQ is inherited

There are intelligent people in all group no doubt on it, but we're focusing on averages here

But yeah, in the US we used to formally take in the high-IQ ones

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

because it is simply not true. you said earlier that culture is a byproduct of genetics, i can reason with that, maybe some races can not build an advanced civilization by themselves. or perhaps it has more to do with geography, i don't know. but what is proven is that when people of that race grow up under the same conditions as people of more prosperous countries, they turn out the same.

Those those second and third gen immigrants do not live under the same conditions as the white natives.


don't get me wrong, I'm not excusing their niggerish behavior. but racial superiority (except that white people are more attractive) is nothing more than a myth

What are you talking about? Those second gen immigrants live amongst the natives. There is no segregation in Europe.

 

[DarkStar]

What are you talking about? Those second gen immigrants live amongst the natives. There is no segregation in Europe.

Yeah and they also have access to Swedens extreme social egalitarian programs

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

There are intelligent people in all group no doubt on it, but we're focusing on averages here

But yeah, in the US we used to formally take in the high-IQ ones

This is now the problem. If you focus on the averages of immigrants in Europe then you will arrive at an average IQ between 70-80 and the elite cream of the crop immigrants around 90-95/100

 

[manletcel1488]

Didn't read yet since I'm at work but "muh education" is a classic leftist cope.

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

IQ is genetic nobody is denying that. But this civilization thing doesn't make sense to me. Whites are the most advanced right now sure. But what about turkic/mongolic empires? What about the islamic empires? What about the fact that civilization started in the middle east? What about the iranian empires? If you say blacks can't build advanced civilizations because lf their IQ, how come iranians/turks/mongols/arabs where able to build tremendous civilizations/empires? Their supposed iq is not higher than that of the blacks from south africa?

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

This is now the problem. If you focus on the averages of immigrants in Europe then you will arrive at an average IQ between 70-80 and the elite cream of the crop immigrants around 90-95/100

Elite immigrants 95/100 iq seems too low to be honest.

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Elite immigrants 95/100 iq seems too low to be honest.

In Europe. Keep it in context. USA and Australia get the cream of the crop millionaires children. Those are easily above 110 IQ at minimum.

But here's the catch . Europe sadly can not compete with USA and Australia and attract the elite immigrants.

Thus when I say "elite" immigrants I actually mean for Europe's immigrant population.

Obviously you get high upper class immigration like Persians ruling class who ran away from Iran during the Islamic revolution. They even success mog the native Germans building from nothing because they arrived with nothing but now they almost all multi millionaires. but such immigrants so small in percentage that really not worth mentioning

 

[fullofchagrin]

What are you talking about? Those second gen immigrants live amongst the natives. There is no segregation in Europe.

Wrong. They live in ghettoes, and have their own niggerish sub culture. They go to schools full of other second and third gen immigrants, the teachers themselves are also second gen immigrants.

Yeah and they also have access to Swedens extreme social egalitarian programs

Which of course does not help to fix the problem, they need reeducation so they can be integrated into western society, which obviously does not happen.

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Wrong. They live in ghettoes, and have their own niggerish sub culture. They go to schools full of other second and third gen immigrants, the teachers themselves are also second gen immigrants.

Well for me , I live in Gerrmany, so I can only speak for Germany and yes in cities like Berlin, Stuttgart immigrants formed their own communities but Germany is not only just Berlin. In towns and hamlets there are no ghettos, none, zero , everybody lives together intergrated. And majority of immigrants do not live in the major urban areas like Berlin, they are spread out in the towns, the country side even having their kebab shops and stuff.

That what you said about ghettos is true "but" only applies to major urban areas and again majority of immigrants do not live in those ghettos.

So if you scientifically want to mention them in comparing immigrants performance to the native population on a statistical basis then you have to look at them in isolation from the broader immigrant population because the experimental statistical conditions do not apply to the broader immigrant population

 

[DarkStar]

Wrong. They live in ghettoes, and have their own niggerish sub culture. They go to schools full of other second and third gen immigrants, the teachers themselves are also second gen immigrants.

Which of course does not help to fix the problem, they need reeducation so they can be integrated into western society, which obviously does not happen.

Like I said, Sweden is a very social egalitarian country & the test covered students across all fields

Did you even read it?

 

[fullofchagrin]

Well for me , I live in Gerrmany, so I can only speak for Germany and yes in cities like Berlin, Stuttgart immigrants formed their own communities but Germany is not only just Berlin. In towns and hamlets there are no ghettos, none, zero , everybody lives together intergrated. And majority of immigrants do not live in the major urban areas like Berlin, they are spread out in the towns, the country side even having their kebab shops and stuff.

That what you said about ghettos is true "but" only applies to major urban areas and again majority of immigrants do not live in those ghettos.

So if you scientifically want to mention them in comparing immigrants performance to the native population on a statistical basis then you have to look at them in isolation from the broader immigrant population because the experimental statistical conditions do not apply to the broader immigrant population

Are you talking about turks? I wouldn't know about other ethnicities, but i can make a point about turks: the turks in germany were imported during the 60s from the most underdeveloped and poorest regions to use as cheap labor. The education they receive at school does not really matter much when they get raised by their parents, who were uneducated villagers. Anyway, going back to the topic: compare the turks in germany to the turks of turkey. Very big difference. To further strengthen my point: there are still low iq white islamist arab wannabes in turkey, yet there are also educated, smart brown people. It is not a race issue.

 

[fullofchagrin]

Like I said, Sweden is a very social egalitarian country & the test covered students across all fields

Did you even read it?

I'm not sure what you mean by ''social egalitarian programs'', but going back to what I said, 10% of sweden is muslim, which means that they do not grow up under the same condtions as the native swedish population (if they did, then they wouldn't be muslim, would they?).

 

[SIR ETHNICCEL]

Are you talking about turks? I wouldn't know about other ethnicities, but i can make a point about turks: the turks in germany were imported during the 60s from the most underdeveloped and poorest regions to use as cheap labor. The education they receive at school does not really matter much when they get raised by their parents, who were uneducated villagers. Anyway, going back to the topic: compare the turks in germany to the turks of turkey. Very big difference. To further strengthen my point: there are still low iq white islamist arab wannabes in turkey, yet there are also educated, smart brown people. It is not a race issue.

Turks were simply the first none Europeans to arrive before them Germany had Italians, Portugese, Greeks. The Turks are simply mentioned alot because they were the first none Euros. But there are Arabs, Kurds, Subsaharans, Vietnamese, East Europeans all already in 2nd or even 3rd generation .

Infact the Vietnamese self segregate and have even better exam results than natives.

By the way I never ever said it was a race issue, I said Europe imports the lowest IQ ethnics and USA imports the highest IQ ethnics. The ethnics in Europe are thick as pig shit i.e low IQ 70-80IQ and the very very very best highest IQ of those immigrants is between 80-95 /100 IQ

 

[Undervalued]

IQ is genetic nobody is denying that. But this civilization thing doesn't make sense to me. Whites are the most advanced right now sure. But what about turkic/mongolic empires? What about the islamic empires? What about the fact that civilization started in the middle east? What about the iranian empires? If you say blacks can't build advanced civilizations because lf their IQ, how come iranians/turks/mongols/arabs where able to build tremendous civilizations/empires? Their supposed iq is not higher than that of the blacks from south africa?

This is a dumb and lazy cope. IQ doesn’t have to explain 100% of everything that happens at all times. While civilisation today could potentially reflect IQ differences between populations, that doesn’t mean it always had to be the case.

In the past, the association between general cognitive ability and advanced civilisation may not have been so strong (i.e., your environment would have mattered a lot more than it does today).

For example, we know agriculture kickstarted the development of high societies in the Near East and Mediterranean. However, it is much harder to do at higher latitude regions like Northern Europe.

 

[Emba]

Fascinating

 

[Blackpill Monk]

The colder the winter temperatures and the more northerly the environment, the higher were the IQs that evolved. In corroboration of this thesis, Templer & Arikawa (2006) have reported a correlation across 129 nations of .66 between national IQs and low winter temperatures"

Turd world like Africa, India, LatAm are low iq due to high hotter temperature

 

[Blackpill Monk]

those second and third gen immigrants do not live under the same conditions as the white natives.

JFL

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

Turd world like Africa, India, LatAm are low iq due to high hotter temperature

it has too be much more nuanced than this. Or else people from siberea and inuits would be smarter than chinese.

This is a dumb and lazy cope. IQ doesn’t have to explain 100% of everything that happens at all times. While civilisation today could potentially reflect IQ differences between populations, that doesn’t mean it always had to be the case.

In the past, the association between general cognitive ability and advanced civilisation may not have been so strong (i.e., your environment would have mattered a lot more than it does today).

For example, we know agriculture kickstarted the development of high societies in the Near East and Mediterranean. However, it is much harder to do at higher latitude regions like Northern Europe.

So basially you are saying when whites werent devoloped it was because of envoirement and no when the middle east isn't as developed its genetic? You could literally make the same argument, that britain started the industrial revolution because they had lots of natural recourses like iron and cole.

 

[Undervalued]

it has too be much more nuanced than this. Or else people from siberea and inuits would be smarter than chinese.

So basially you are saying when whites werent devoloped it was because of envoirement and no when the middle east isn't as developed its genetic? You could literally make the same argument, that britain started the industrial revolution because they had lots of natural recourses like iron and cole.

Look at the differences in achievements and growth. You having an early advantage is the most logical explanation, and now that the playing field is level, genetic differences account for the disparity.

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

Look at the differences in achievements and growth. You having an early advantage is the most logical explanation, and now that the playing field is level, genetic differences account for the disparity.

Why exactly would the playing field be even now? I personally think that once the middle east was ahead, now its whites but not forever. These things change over time, one day you might be less developed than the middle east again. Maybe the far east will be the most developed. Maybe you have superior genetics but other populations catch up and overtake. I just think this is all not as hard set and simple as some of you seem to portray it.

 

[Undervalued]

Why exactly would the playing field be even now? I personally think that once the middle east was ahead, now its whites but not forever. These things change over time, one day you might be less developed than the middle east again. Maybe the far east will be the most developed. Maybe you have superior genetics but other populations catch up and overtake. I just think this is all not as hard set and simple as some of you seem to portray it.

Boyo, be realistic. That's just not gonna happen. You had thousands of years. The West is much newer, and the difference is staggering. Only way deathnics will surpass the White man is with human genetic engineering, and that shit is a long ways off.

Also, I'm not White. Stop speaking to me like I am. Do you think I like this? I don't want White people to be smarter on average, but facts are facts.

 

[Fluoxymesterone]

Boyo, be realistic. That's just not gonna happen. You had thousands of years. The West is much newer, and the difference is staggering. Only way deathnics will surpass the White man is with human genetic engineering, and that shit is a long ways off.

Also, I'm not White. Stop speaking to me like I am. Do you think I like this? I don't want White people to be smarter on average, but facts are facts.

What do you mean we had thousands of years? I could have said the same thing in 500 AD. Times will change. I think turks and iranians (my race) have achieved more than whites. Whites only destroyed the planet with industrialism and wokeness