Hearing about KSGcel suicide (/r9k member who blew his head off with a shotgun) was very disturbing to me. Even more disturbing were the internet comments about it, or finding the video on sites called "death addict" filled with porn pop-ups. It was disturbing mainly because I don't know how to react to all this.
Take it from someone who's been suicidal as a teen: it's far more complicated than mere "clinical depression" or a lack of "therapy". Seeing mental health professionals as a teen had made me more depressed. For two reasons: (1) most were incompetent (2) I felt even more low-status and marginalized: on top of being ugly and incel I was now mentally ill. My ego would take none of this, it was already low enough as it was.
Do I think it's wrong to kill yourself? I wouldn't say it's wrong, as in "morally wrong": though it's true suicide is wasteful and hence "selfish" (imagine taking care cautiously of a tree for 20 years, expecting it to bear fruit, only to see it self-destruct: suicide of a child is worse by ten orders of magnitude), this line of argumentation merely antagonizes and depresses suicidal people even more.
No, suicide is wrong because you're killing yourself for the wrong reasons. For starters, love and sex aren't the be-all, end-all of human life. Secondly, mood disorders (dysthymia, depression) are real, warp your thinking, and can now be treated very effectively with transcranial magnetic stimulation or if you're lucky (they don't work on everyone: I know a middle aged man who tested them all to no avail) drugs. Thirdly, if you don't believe in God or any spirituality you should at least understand that technological progress has already improved to a large extent the living conditions of men, and offers the hope of a radical alteration of many fixed parameters (like looks) in the future.
Take it from someone who's been suicidal as a teen: it's far more complicated than mere "clinical depression" or a lack of "therapy". Seeing mental health professionals as a teen had made me more depressed. For two reasons: (1) most were incompetent (2) I felt even more low-status and marginalized: on top of being ugly and incel I was now mentally ill. My ego would take none of this, it was already low enough as it was.
Do I think it's wrong to kill yourself? I wouldn't say it's wrong, as in "morally wrong": though it's true suicide is wasteful and hence "selfish" (imagine taking care cautiously of a tree for 20 years, expecting it to bear fruit, only to see it self-destruct: suicide of a child is worse by ten orders of magnitude), this line of argumentation merely antagonizes and depresses suicidal people even more.
No, suicide is wrong because you're killing yourself for the wrong reasons. For starters, love and sex aren't the be-all, end-all of human life. Secondly, mood disorders (dysthymia, depression) are real, warp your thinking, and can now be treated very effectively with transcranial magnetic stimulation or if you're lucky (they don't work on everyone: I know a middle aged man who tested them all to no avail) drugs. Thirdly, if you don't believe in God or any spirituality you should at least understand that technological progress has already improved to a large extent the living conditions of men, and offers the hope of a radical alteration of many fixed parameters (like looks) in the future.
