Slavcels is it true high school there is super hard?

[thespanishcel]

I had a friend from Russia who told me they did differential equations by the age of 16, something that anywhere else (except maybe South Korea, Japan or China I dunno) it's considered university level math Or that in language class he had to read all the Russian classics and write long essays on them, and some non Russian books too including Don Quixote. He also told me that sometimes teachers gave so much homework he had to spend 5 hours doing it, and that it was not only Russia it was in any slav country.

Is that true or he was just bluffing? If so I understand why there are so many NEETs and alcoholics in those countries, I would drop out too if fucking high school was so hard. In Spain the hardest thing you see in high school are probably integrals, and that's only if you choose the science high school. If you choose the economics high school the hardest you will see is derivatives and if you choose humanities high school there's no math, but you do Latin which is more boring and useless.

Tagging @To koniec from Poland

 

[bigantennaemay1]

In Spain the hardest thing you see in high school are probably integrals, and that's only if you choose the science high school. If you choose the economics high school the hardest you will see is derivatives and if you choose humanities high school there's no math, but you do Latin which is more boring and useless.

You can choose your high school in Spain? How the fuck does that even work?

 

[LesscoBlob]

I had a friend from Russia who told me they did differential equations by the age of 16, something that anywhere else (except maybe South Korea, Japan or China I dunno) it's considered university level math Or that in language class he had to read all the Russian classics and write long essays on them, and some non Russian books too including Don Quixote. He also told me that sometimes teachers gave so much homework he had to spend 5 hours doing it, and that it was not only Russia it was in any slav country.

Is that true or he was just bluffing? If so I understand why there are so many NEETs and alcoholics in those countries, I would drop out too if fucking high school was so hard. In Spain the hardest thing you see in high school are probably integrals, and that's only if you choose the science high school. If you choose the economics high school the hardest you will see is derivatives and if you choose humanities high school there's no math, but you do Latin which is more boring and useless.

Tagging @To koniec from Poland

In my country, you start doing basic calculus from the age of 15, and by 17, we do integrals.

 

[thespanishcel]

You can choose your high school in Spain? How the fuck does that even work?

At the end of middle school they make you choose a type of high school so you are better prepared for the degree you want to do at university. You have some common subjects (language, history, etc.) but others are specific of the type of high school you choose. It's not uncommon in the other European countries it works exactly the same.

 

[thespanishcel]

In my country, you start doing basic calculus from the age of 15, and by 17, we do integrals.

Same in Spain tbh but as I said only in the science high school.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Same in Spain tbh but as I said only in the science high school.

No no, we do them in regular High schools.

 

[thespanishcel]

Russia scores well in IMO every year and they use a team of their own people instead a group of Chinese imports (American team)

Many other countries also

Differential equations are hard man I don't even know how I passed that math course at uni. I would kill myself if I had to do it at 16. Derivatives are easy, integrals can be a hard but doable but differential equations I hated them aaaaaaa

 

[thespanishcel]

No no, we do them in regular High schools.

So even if you don't want to study something related to science or math you have to do integrals? That sucks.

 

[LesscoBlob]

So even if you don't want to study something related to science or math you have to do integrals? That sucks.

Depends on the field you want to go to. If you want to go to the field of Physics/Chemistry/Biology, you don't do mathematics at all. Same if you want to go to the theoretical field (Modern/Ancient Gree etc.). If you want to go to the field of Maths/Physics, or the field of Economics, you have to do them. However, you get to decide in the final year of high school, so everyone has to do basic calculus up until they're 17.

 

[Yan Babayan]

Yes it was very hard, math was hard and especially physics. Physics was a total mindfuck. Overall large volumes of homework. To get into Uni you have to pass the exams which are very hard IMO, but if you score well you get free bachelor. Completely free not a single ruble spent. No debt unlike ameritard "education"
Education is surprisingly strong in Russia it's the only metric where this country actually surpasses a lot of European countries

Rankings :: Legatum Prosperity Index 2023

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^^^ russia scores 23 out of 167 countries in education

 

[thespanishcel]

Yes it was very hard, math was hard and especially physics. Physics was a total mindfuck. Overall large volumes of homework. To get into Uni you have to pass the exams which are very hard IMO, but if you score well you get free bachelor. Completely free not a single ruble spent. No debt unlike ameritard "education"
Education is surprisingly strong in Russia it's the only metric where this country actually surpasses a lot of European countries

Rankings :: Legatum Prosperity Index 2023

Over the last ten years the Legatum Institute, through the Legatum Prosperity Index™, has tracked the journey of 167 nations in order to answer these questions. The results explain how and why nations

www.prosperity.com

^^^ russia scores 23 out of 167 countries in education

How long were your school hours? In Spain it was from 8am to 2:30pm including a 30 minute lunch break.

 

[Med Anime]

In my country, you start doing basic calculus from the age of 15, and by 17, we do integrals.

That's the same where i live also
But at 16 we're capable of doing integrals

 

[Ahnfeltia]

I had a friend from Russia who told me they did differential equations by the age of 16

In the Dutch high school curriculum they are optional. In short, in the Netherlands there are four math courses available to students in high school: math A through D. Math C is a simpler version of math A for those who really suck at math. Math A and math B are the two main math courses, with math A being geared towards the social sciences and math B being geared more towards the hard sciences (e.g., math A covers probability theory whereas math B covers trigonometry). For many scientific university studies (physics, chemistry, medicine, etc.) you need to have done math B. Lastly, there's math D, which is a supplement to math B containing inter alia probability theory, limits, differential equations, complex numbers, etc. Math D is for the math buffs.

In my country, you start doing basic calculus from the age of 15, and by 17, we do integrals.

Derivatives and integrals are part of the standard curriculum here as well (math B covers both whereas math A only covers derivatives).

 

[Yan Babayan]

How long were your school hours? In Spain it was from 8am to 2:30pm including a 30 minute lunch break.

8:00-13:00 or 14:00 - 19:00. 6-7 classes per day

 

[LesscoBlob]

Derivatives and integrals are part of the standard curriculum here as well (math B covers both whereas math A only covers derivatives).

What is your opinion of this?

 

[LesscoBlob]

That's the same where i live also
But at 16 we're capable of doing integrals

Interesting.
Do you think your country has a "brain drain" problem?

 

[To koniec]

yep it's true if you want to go to uni you need to pass national math exam

 

[To koniec]

but exam...isn't that hard ( i passed it on next year for 50% percent ( 30% is enough ) )

 

[NihilisticSoul]

I've heard it is, imagine educationmaxxing 8 years in EE and landing a job only to sometimes earn less than western european wagies jfl.

 

[thespanishcel]

but exam...isn't that hard ( i passed it on next year for 50% percent ( 30% is enough ) )

It's called the matura exam right?

 

[Therapywasaaste]

It's called the matura exam right?

My great grandfather on my dad's dad's side is from spain. I live in Florida and half the radio stations are now in spanish. I do not speak spanish. I think all the Puerto Ricans should go back to Puerto Rico.

 

[To koniec]

It's called the matura exam right?

yep

 

[based_meme]

In my country, you start doing basic calculus from the age of 15, and by 17, we do integrals.

I'm not surprised. There's a lot of variability in maths education all over the world. One thing is certain: teenagers are capable of learning higher level maths at an earlier age.

 

[Hoodpreet]

In my country, you start doing basic calculus from the age of 15, and by 17, we do integrals.

What brutal country is this

 

[thespanishcel]

What brutal country is this

My guess is that anywhere in Europe. Integrals are hard but doable at high school level. Differential equations on the other hand seem to complex to be learned at 16.

 

[YuiStillMyCope]

I did differential equations at 16 in Australia, where school is very chill. But that’s because I chose maths in hs

 

[thespanishcel]

I did differential equations at 16 in Australia, where school is very chill. It’s just that I chose to do maths in year 11 and 12

I would have died Had a hard time with that shit at 18 I can't imagine at 16 when I was even less interested in math.

 

[YuiStillMyCope]

My guess is that anywhere in Europe. Integrals are hard but doable at high school level. Differential equations on the other hand seem to complex to be learned at 16.

They’re really not. Maybe you just had bad teachers

 

[thespanishcel]

They’re really not. Maybe you just had bad teachers

Maybe, with youtube videos I could understand them more or less (I passed the exam in the end) but still hated them. The course was going well until those fuckers appeared.

 

[thespanishcel]

yep

What was your favorite high school subject?

 

[To koniec]

What was your favorite high school subject?

drawing ( tho i was in art school ), but from normal ones history

 

[Ahnfeltia]

8:00-13:00 or 14:00 - 19:00. 6-7 classes per day

Damn, those are some hardcore hours.

 

[LesscoBlob]

I'm not surprised. There's a lot of variability in maths education all over the world. One thing is certain: teenagers are capable of learning higher level maths at an earlier age.

Yes, they absolutely are. I've heard that American high schools are very easy.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

What is your opinion of this?

Derivatives (and to a lesser extent integrals) were useful (arguably even necessary) for high-school physics. Acceleration is the derivative of velocity etc. Given how reliant physics is on derivatives, I think it's a good thing they properly cover them in math class as opposed to rushing them in physics class*. Integration is arguably less necessary at the high-school level, but still useful.

*Due to special circumstances, I first encountered logarithms in physics class before math class (normally this is not supposed to happen). Anyway, my physics teacher tried to quickly teach me logarithms, which wasn't ideal.

PS as a mathematician, I'm highly biased.

 

[LesscoBlob]

What brutal country is this

Greece. We love to brag about how "advanced" our school system is and how good our students are, who then leave to Germany/richer countries.

 

[LesscoBlob]

Derivatives (and to a lesser extent integrals) were useful (arguably even necessary) for high-school physics. Acceleration is the derivative of velocity etc. Given how reliant physics is on derivatives, I think it's a good thing they properly cover them in math class as opposed to rushing them in physics class*. Integration is arguably less necessary at the high-school level, but still useful.

*Due to special circumstances, I first encountered logarithms in physics class before math class (normally this is not supposed to happen). Anyway, my physics teacher tried to quickly teach me logarithms, which wasn't ideal.

PS as a mathematician, I'm highly biased.

Yes, they're quite useful even in the field of enomics (my field)

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Yes, they're quite useful even in the field of enomics (my field)

True, although I'm not sure high-school economics is advanced enough to use derivatives.

 

[LesscoBlob]

True, although I'm not sure high-school economics is advanced enough to use derivatives.

University economics is, and they take you knowing derivatives for granted.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

University economics is, and they take you knowing derivatives for granted.

I figured, but that's precisely because they are covered in high school. Nonetheless, the differential calculus is ubiquitous enough to warrant its inclusion in high-school curricula.

 

[LesscoBlob]

I figured, but that's precisely because they are covered in high school. Nonetheless, the differential calculus is ubiquitous enough to warrant its inclusion in high-school curricula.

Yes, accounting is a little less demanding on mathematics, but finance is.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Yes, accounting is a little less demanding on mathematics, but finance is.

In my master's degree I specialized in stochastic differential equations. The main application was indeed always finance.

 

[based_meme]

In my master's degree I specialized in stochastic differential equations. The main application was indeed always finance.

Is your masters in maths or stats?

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Is your masters in maths or stats?

The theoretical side, so I guess that'd be the mathematical side. That said, I consider statistics to be a subfield of mathematics.

 

[bigantennaemay1]

At the end of middle school they make you choose a type of high school so you are better prepared for the degree you want to do at university. You have some common subjects (language, history, etc.) but others are specific of the type of high school you choose. It's not uncommon in the other European countries it works exactly the same.

Oh. We only got to choose specific honor courses in our HS in the US. Also, differential equations were easy as hell, I don't know what you're on about with those.

 

[based_meme]

The theoretical side, so I guess that'd be the mathematical side. That said, I consider statistics to be a subfield of mathematics.

Stats is applied probability theory, so yeah, it's a subfield. I've been thinking about a stats masters, but I would need to take some prerequisites like regression, variance, and multivariate analyses.

 

[Robb97]

Yes it was very hard, math was hard and especially physics. Physics was a total mindfuck. Overall large volumes of homework. To get into Uni you have to pass the exams which are very hard IMO, but if you score well you get free bachelor. Completely free not a single ruble spent. No debt unlike ameritard "education"
Education is surprisingly strong in Russia it's the only metric where this country actually surpasses a lot of European countries

Rankings :: Legatum Prosperity Index 2023

Over the last ten years the Legatum Institute, through the Legatum Prosperity Index™, has tracked the journey of 167 nations in order to answer these questions. The results explain how and why nations

www.prosperity.com

^^^ russia scores 23 out of 167 countries in education

It is funny that Switzerland is so high on that ranking. Because high school here was really bad. I passed math and physics, even though I had no idea what I was doing. I didn't know what the integral sign meant. I didn't know what a limit was. I can't remember that I ever did my math and physics homework. And despite that I wasn't even bad compared to my class mates. Pretty sure this wouldn't have been possible in Russia.

 

[Ahnfeltia]

Stats is applied probability theory, so yeah, it's a subfield. I've been thinking about a stats masters, but I would need to take some prerequisites like regression, variance, and multivariate analyses.

Majoring in statistics should give you some pretty decent future prospects. You didn't do quantitatively oriented bachelor?

 

[based_meme]

Majoring in statistics should give you some pretty decent future prospects.

Not looking for prospects, just looking to expand my knowledge and skill sets when AI eventually takes my job (I'll probably be retired by then, but still). It's been quite a while since I graduated.

You didn't do quantitatively oriented bachelor?

Applied math. We did Matlab modeling and the basic stats that every math major does, but nothing too fancy. I elected to take probability theory and mathematical stats, but didn't go into the applied stats stuff, which I had the option to but didn't take because I wanted to be more "mathematically mature." Not regretting it, but JFL @ my 20 odd year old idealism in a cold, ruthless, and pragmatic world.

 

[thespanishcel]

Oh. We only got to choose specific honor courses in our HS in the US. Also, differential equations were easy as hell, I don't know what you're on about with those.

If you're an Aspiecel stemcel yeah it's easy I guess but I was never too good with math.

 

[Quintus Maximus]

I had a friend from Russia who told me they did differential equations by the age of 16, something that anywhere else (except maybe South Korea, Japan or China I dunno) it's considered university level math Or that in language class he had to read all the Russian classics and write long essays on them, and some non Russian books too including Don Quixote. He also told me that sometimes teachers gave so much homework he had to spend 5 hours doing it, and that it was not only Russia it was in any slav country.

Is that true or he was just bluffing? If so I understand why there are so many NEETs and alcoholics in those countries, I would drop out too if fucking high school was so hard. In Spain the hardest thing you see in high school are probably integrals, and that's only if you choose the science high school. If you choose the economics high school the hardest you will see is derivatives and if you choose humanities high school there's no math, but you do Latin which is more boring and useless.

Tagging @To koniec from Poland

In curryland we also learn Calculus by 16-17. Muttmericans are just weak.