Credit to @itsOVER for his looksmax.org thread.
We've all seen how gymcels argue. Devoid of any actual facts to support their cases, 99% of the time they resort to insults like beta, faggot, and in particular, "low T". However, I'm going to prove ITT that it is the gymcel who is actually more likely to have the lower T levels.
Gymcelling requires phases of eating more calories (bulking - which gains both fat and muscle) and eating less (to try and lose the fat gained from the previous bulk). Both of these will lower your testosterone levels compared to, well, not gymcelling at all.
Let's start with bulking. It is well known that having a higher bodyfat percentage will decrease your T (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10442580, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960076012000398). However, this is exactly what 'bulking' does. It is highly unlikely that the increase in muscle mass will be sufficient to offset the increase in bodyfat, percentage-wise.
To illustrate this, let's take an average 160 lb normie at 20% bodyfat, and have him "bulk up" 10lbs. He starts with 32 lbs of bodyfat (20% of 160 lbs). To remain at 20%, he would have to gain 8 lbs to muscle for every 2 lbs of fat. Almost impossible even as a noob, and not possible at all if you're at a more advanced level. So bulking is very likely to increase your bodyfat percentage, and in turn, lower your precious T that gymcels like to bang on about so much.
Now let's talk about cutting. Calorie restriction is also associated with a significant lowering of T (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569090/, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4068168). So the gymcel will bulk (which lowers his T due to fat gain), and then have to cut which also lowers T while the cutting takes place.
For a start, let me just say if you're fat, you definitely need to cut once to get lean. Yes, it'll temporarily lower your T levels, but long term it'll benefit you a ton. After you stop cutting, your levels should return to normal within a few weeks. The problem is that the gymcel, upon finishing cutting, will go into a bulk to increase his fat mass again, and then will need to cut again, and round and round it goes. To obtain the highest T levels, you need to cut once (to rid yourself of that excess bodyfat which is converting your T to E), wait a few weeks for your hormones to stabilize, and then just maintain, ensuring you never get fat again.
So just remember that when some low IQ idiot gymcel starts with with the "you must be low T" bullshit - chances are, if you don't gymcel and aren't a fatass, your T levels are higher than theirs.
We've all seen how gymcels argue. Devoid of any actual facts to support their cases, 99% of the time they resort to insults like beta, faggot, and in particular, "low T". However, I'm going to prove ITT that it is the gymcel who is actually more likely to have the lower T levels.
Gymcelling requires phases of eating more calories (bulking - which gains both fat and muscle) and eating less (to try and lose the fat gained from the previous bulk). Both of these will lower your testosterone levels compared to, well, not gymcelling at all.
Let's start with bulking. It is well known that having a higher bodyfat percentage will decrease your T (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10442580, https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0960076012000398). However, this is exactly what 'bulking' does. It is highly unlikely that the increase in muscle mass will be sufficient to offset the increase in bodyfat, percentage-wise.
To illustrate this, let's take an average 160 lb normie at 20% bodyfat, and have him "bulk up" 10lbs. He starts with 32 lbs of bodyfat (20% of 160 lbs). To remain at 20%, he would have to gain 8 lbs to muscle for every 2 lbs of fat. Almost impossible even as a noob, and not possible at all if you're at a more advanced level. So bulking is very likely to increase your bodyfat percentage, and in turn, lower your precious T that gymcels like to bang on about so much.
Now let's talk about cutting. Calorie restriction is also associated with a significant lowering of T (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3569090/, https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4068168). So the gymcel will bulk (which lowers his T due to fat gain), and then have to cut which also lowers T while the cutting takes place.
For a start, let me just say if you're fat, you definitely need to cut once to get lean. Yes, it'll temporarily lower your T levels, but long term it'll benefit you a ton. After you stop cutting, your levels should return to normal within a few weeks. The problem is that the gymcel, upon finishing cutting, will go into a bulk to increase his fat mass again, and then will need to cut again, and round and round it goes. To obtain the highest T levels, you need to cut once (to rid yourself of that excess bodyfat which is converting your T to E), wait a few weeks for your hormones to stabilize, and then just maintain, ensuring you never get fat again.
So just remember that when some low IQ idiot gymcel starts with with the "you must be low T" bullshit - chances are, if you don't gymcel and aren't a fatass, your T levels are higher than theirs.
