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Blackpill Religious blackpillers how do you mix these ideas?

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Blackpill = people are filthy animals, life has no point, everything is random/luck, genetical determinism, nihilism, looks are everything and morals dont exist, suffering is meaningless bad luck and you will never receive any prize for your suffering,

any major religion = god made people with higher purpose, nothing is random because everything is Gods wish, looks are shallow and not important, morals are the most important thing, suffering now is good because you will enjoy later

Yet some blackpillers are still religious even though these are completely inverse outlooks on life. How?
 
@GeckoBus @IronsideCel @VitaminS thoughts?
 
Blackpill = people are filthy animals, life has no point, everything is random/luck, genetical determinism, nihilism, looks are everything and morals dont exist, suffering is meaningless bad luck and you will never receive any prize for your suffering,

any major religion = god made people with higher purpose, nothing is random because everything is Gods wish, looks are shallow and not important, morals are the most important thing, suffering now is good because you will enjoy later

Yet some blackpillers are still religious even though these are completely inverse outlooks on life. How?
You connected it without realizing.
people are filthy animals
And because of this, we sin.
We sinned against God, and the curse is darkness and the results of the Blackpill. We are no longer Holy and pure so people like toilets sin by sleeping with chad only.

God made us with purpose to glorify him. Yes even though we sinned and life sucks now, arguably worse for others, we still burden punishment from sinning.
It sounds cucked in theory, but that's just the way it is.
Nothing is random. The punishments were meant and we deserved them for eating from the tree.
 
I'm going to sleep I will respond to this tomorrow
 
The punishments were meant and we deserved them for eating from the tree
why are some punished and some not. Will those who enjoy now suffer for eternity and sufferers will enjoy eternity?
 
why are some punished and some not. Will those who enjoy now suffer for eternity and sufferers will enjoy eternity?
They're punished, just not to the level of us.
If they don't repent to the Lord, they will surely suffer.
 
@GeckoBus @IronsideCel @VitaminS thoughts?
blackpill is not an ideology and makes no value judgments
its just a bunch of observations of states of affairs, nothing more
you can interpret these observations as you wish

The powers that be and every person working in marketing agencies uses the blackpill to their advantage every single day. And they love it.
So, I guess the blackpill is encouraging, amazing and fruit-bearing to these people huh?
Everything good comes from the blackpill. Sales, economic growth, prosperity.

Just an example how the interpretation and value judgements applied to it are arbitrary.

Blackpill = people are filthy animals, life has no point, everything is random/luck, genetical determinism, nihilism, looks are everything and morals dont exist, suffering is meaningless bad luck and you will never receive any prize for your suffering,
- people are filthy animals -> value judgment, not part of blackpill
- life has no point -> value judgement, not part of blackpill

- everything is random/luck -> opposite of blackpill which says everything is orderly and predictable
- genetic determinism -> ditto, last point and this one literally contradict each other kek. Either its random or determined, not both.

- looks are everything and morals dont exist -> looks and morality are different categories, this is a fallacy. Also non-sequitor to go from "looks have greater effect than people believe" (value neutral observation) to "morality does not exist" (value judgment which is not connected to the premise).

- suffering is meaningless -> same as all of the above, the blackpill has never said suffering is meaningless. Idk where OP gets this from.

Everything OP listed are just value judgments.
The blackpill is just a bunch of value neutral observations like

- "women make the majority of customer purchases"
- "looks have a great influence on how people treat each other"
- "humans use heuristics in their thinking that lead to fallacious conclusions"

Not a single one of these leads to the conclusion that life is meaningless. The blackpill is not an ideology.
Stop straw-manning us and read the data.
 
- everything is random/luck -> opposite of blackpill which says everything is orderly and predictable
- genetic determinism -> ditto, last point and this one literally contradict each other kek. Either its random or determined, not both
Genes and environment determine life and both are random on their own. Therefore life is determined by randomness. Sounds contradictory but its not.


I wont reply to rest of your post since clearly your and mine definition of blackpill are very different. If mine was same as yours i would not ask this question.
 
The mental gymnastics some religious people do is insane
 
Blackpill = people are filthy animals, life has no point, everything is random/luck, genetical determinism, nihilism, looks are everything and morals dont exist, suffering is meaningless bad luck and you will never receive any prize for your suffering,

any major religion = god made people with higher purpose, nothing is random because everything is Gods wish, looks are shallow and not important, morals are the most important thing, suffering now is good because you will enjoy later

Yet some blackpillers are still religious even though these are completely inverse outlooks on life. How?
It's not inversive. Religion is not supposed to be a cope nor give an easy life. Religion means "relationship with God". If you are a true man of God, he will use you in excellent says. Many prophets in the Bible had terrible lives and were occasionally even suicidal, but they understood what God wanted of them.

Isaiah 53:2 is a prophecy about Jesus written 700 BC, and it even says Jesus will not be beautiful when he adopts a human nature and becomes man.

You can recognise how unfair life is, how looks affect how others treat you, while believing character is what makes a man. God is there for us in times of trouble, even if he allows us to struggle, and in paradise there will be no more suffering.

Baldwin IV was a Catholic, he was more incel than anyone here. So incel that he had to wear a mask to be taken seriously due to his leprosy. He was king of Jerusalem and led the crusaders to many amazing victories at just sixteen years old. By 22 he lost his eyesight and couldn't move the right side of his body, despite this he was carried to the battlefield in his bed and led the crusaders to victory once again.

He didn't stop believing because he had these troubles, he trusted in God. You can do the same my friend.

People ask how can God be real if they're struggling so much, I always say because the teacher is absent during the test.
 
You can recognise how unfair life is
in order to do that he would have to have access to an objective ethical standard first.
Which he does not.
 
Blackpill = people are filthy animals, life has no point, everything is random/luck, genetical determinism, nihilism, looks are everything and morals dont exist, suffering is meaningless bad luck and you will never receive any prize for your suffering,

any major religion = god made people with higher purpose, nothing is random because everything is Gods wish, looks are shallow and not important, morals are the most important thing, suffering now is good because you will enjoy later

Yet some blackpillers are still religious even though these are completely inverse outlooks on life. How?
Thats not what the blackpill is lmao. "Blackpill=people are filthy animals" wtf, black-pill is literally just a realization of the modern dating scene caused by rampant consumerism it isnt nihilism. Life hasnt always been like this. And even if thats the case it sounds alot like our concept of original sin.

Thats also not what religion is either.

My religion aligns with reality:

>human nature is flawed
>we must work against human nature
>promiscuous society is wrong... etc..

I hate replying to these low IQ brainrot posts
 
People who just haven't given up yet :feelskek:
 
blackpill is not an ideology and makes no value judgments
its just a bunch of observations of states of affairs, nothing more
you can interpret these observations as you wish
This is true- effectively, it is possible to incorporate the Blackpill as we see it into virtually any kind of philosophy, religion, political ideology, etc.
The powers that be and every person working in marketing agencies uses the blackpill to their advantage every single day. And they love it.
So, I guess the blackpill is encouraging, amazing and fruit-bearing to these people huh?
Everything good comes from the blackpill. Sales, economic growth, prosperity.

Just an example how the interpretation and value judgements applied to it are arbitrary.
This is a truth, and quite a brutal one to say the least: It highlights how the blackpill could almost just work to our advantage, yet we are in no position to have any influence with it: Perhaps, the best course of action which we(and other blackpillers have as a collective) is that of spreading the blackpill through any means possible. Memes, videos, even just posts on this forum.
- people are filthy animals -> value judgment, not part of blackpill
- life has no point -> value judgement, not part of blackpill
These are not part of the blackpill, but they correlate with it & certainly will fide
- everything is random/luck -> opposite of blackpill which says everything is orderly and predictable
:yes:

Excellent take here: People oftentimes assume that the blackpill itself falls upon the notion that "oh well I was born this way due to poor luck/genetic recombination" when they are forgetting the fact that in order to inherit genetics, you must first undergo the simple process of creation which requires many patterns to take place: Thus, it is orderly & predictable as you stated.
- genetic determinism -> ditto, last point and this one literally contradict each other kek. Either its random or determined, not both.
It is determined: Simply, it just follows the Universal law of symmetry, frequency, patterns, etc.
- looks are everything and morals dont exist -> looks and morality are different categories, this is a fallacy.
Ironically, had we lived in more moral societies, most of us genuinely wouldn't be Incel.
Also non-sequitor to go from "looks have greater effect than people believe" (value neutral observation) to "morality does not exist" (value judgment which is not connected to the premise).
Good point here.
- suffering is meaningless -> same as all of the above, the blackpill has never said suffering is meaningless. Idk where OP gets this from.
The blackpill is suffering for some, but genuine lifefuel for others: In example, normies whom hold blackpill knowledge can benefit from it.

In fact, we ourselves benefit from it, since it prevents us from wasting time on attempts to "improve."
Everything OP listed are just value judgments.
The blackpill is just a bunch of value neutral observations like

- "women make the majority of customer purchases"
- "looks have a great influence on how people treat each other"
- "humans use heuristics in their thinking that lead to fallacious conclusions"
:yes:
Not a single one of these leads to the conclusion that life is meaningless. The blackpill is not an ideology.
In a way, you could even interpret the blackpill as quite an optimistic outlook. You could deduce that due to your looks being below average & being non-NT, that you should just engage in as many earthly & hedonistic pleasures as possible: Drinking, drugs, porn, escortmaxxing, etc.
Stop straw-manning us and read the data.
I genuinely will never understand the normies on Reddit, Twitter, etc. who label us as a "movement" akin to that of BLM or the BP as an "ideology" akin to that of Conservatism; have they even looked here & seen the amount of infighting & debates over it?

The only reason why Incels and/or Blackpillers are given these buzzword labels, lies in the fact that admitting we have a point would genuinely make a lot of people question the state of the world.

I appreciate you giving a well-detailed response by the way; I am non-Christian but agnostic, so it is interesting hearing this.
 

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