Religion, do you believe or not

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

I used to believe, but then when i really started educating myself on evolution and science in general i realised religion especially christianity is just false and makes no sense. Now i am pretty much an atheist with an added dose of Existential Nihilism. I think i lost my faith just a bit after high school.

Its not just because of the most common reasons why i lost belief in religion and god ( eg - earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanos, world hunger, cancer, cancer in kids, kids born with fucked up diseases, kids born as vegetables, down syndrome kids, ugly people existing) i think its more of the fact that i realised that pretty much  everything in this world can be explained by science or if its a new topic that has arisen then science will find its way to give an answer for it rather than " god did it"

How about you guys?

 

[nausea]

superinteresting thread, subscribed

 

[42cel]

Yes, I am an atheist.

Inb4 "I'm an agnostic I'm better than you" - (A)gnosticism is not bound to (A)theism. They are like x and y on a graph with only one point. If you claim to be a pure agnostic with no tendency to one side you are lying.

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

superinteresting thread, subscribed

you dont want to give your thoughts on the topic??

And what does subscribing to post do?

 

[nausea]

you dont want to give your thoughts on the topic??

yes, that's why I subscribed indeed

And what does subscribing to post do?

it allows me to receive alerts anytime the thread receives replies PLUS I can find it easily if I need to

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

yes, that's why I subscribed indeedit allows me to receive alerts anytime the thread receives replies PLUS I can find it easily if I need to

Ah makes sense, so its kind of like alerts but with a little bit of a bonus feature, got it.

 

[nausea]

yes, that's why I subscribed indeedit allows me to receive alerts anytime the thread receives replies PLUS I can find it easily if I need to

Ah makes sense, so its kind of like alerts but with a little bit of a bonus feature, got it.

I suggest you to subscribe to the threads you want to follow

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

I suggest you to subscribe to the threads you want to follow

was thinking to do that, but nah, ive got a "good structure" that i do/ have to reply to threads as much as possible

 

[nausea]

I suggest you to subscribe to the threads you want to follow

was thinking to do that, but nah, ive got a "good structure" that i do/ have to reply to threads as much as possible

yea ok I see bah

 

[pakicel]

If nothing happens when we die then the religious person has lost nothing, but when the Atheist calls for God on his deathbed and God strikes fear into his heart on the day of judgement then he has lost everything

 

[nausea]

 i realised religion especially christianity is just false and makes no sense.

why?

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

yea ok I see bah

i really do want to see your thoughts on religion tho, but if u dont wish to share, i will respect that too.

 

[nausea]

yea ok I see bah

i really do want to see your thoughts on religion tho, but if u dont wish to share, i will respect that too.

I already told you I will reply to this thread, I was referring to another fact ( ya know )

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

why?

Too many contradictions in the bible and there is little to no evidence now of big events like the noahs  flood to suggest that it actually happened.

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I already told you I will reply to this thread, I was referring to another fact ( ya know )

you took your time friend

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If nothing happens when we die then the religious person has lost nothing, but when the Atheist calls for God on his deathbed and God strikes fear into his heart on the day of judgement then he has lost everything

But what if the god you were believing in was the wrong God? Then you would still lose everything because iirc believing/worshipping any other gods except the God that represents that religion is a sin.

 

[42cel]

If nothing happens when we die then the religious person has lost nothing, but when the Atheist calls for God on his deathbed and God strikes fear into his heart on the day of judgement then he has lost everything

This is called Pascal's wager and was rightfully criticised so many times before I don't understand why people are still bringing it up

 

[pakicel]

why?

Too many contradictions in the bible and there is little to no evidence now of big events like the noahs flood to suggest that it actually happened.

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I already told you I will reply to this thread, I was referring to another fact ( ya know )

you took your time friend

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If nothing happens when we die then the religious person has lost nothing, but when the Atheist calls for God on his deathbed and God strikes fear into his heart on the day of judgement then he has lost everything

But what if the god you were believing in was the wrong God? Then you would still lose everything because iirc believing/worshipping any other gods except the God that represents that religion is a sin.

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It's not really hard to narrow down religions that promise a Hell. Christianity is a joke jfl @ trinity meme. Judaism is retarded. Islam makes the most sense to any rational human being

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

This is called Pascal's wager and was rightfully criticised so many times before I don't understand why people are still bringing it up

yea refer to my reply to him and thats pretty much the best rebuttal towards that argument

 

[pakicel]

If nothing happens when we die then the religious person has lost nothing, but when the Atheist calls for God on his deathbed and God strikes fear into his heart on the day of judgement then he has lost everything

This is called Pascal's wager and was rightfully criticised so many times before I don't understand why people are still bringing it up

show me 1 good criticism

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

It's not really hard to narrow down religions that promise a Hell. Christianity is a joke jfl @ trinity meme. Judaism is retarded. Islam makes the most sense to any rational human being

But u missed my point entirely, how do you know your religion you are believing in is the true religion?  What makes your religion any more true than christianity, judaism???

 

[42cel]

show me 1 good criticism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager#Criticism

 

[pakicel]

It's not really hard to narrow down religions that promise a Hell. Christianity is a joke jfl @ trinity meme. Judaism is retarded. Islam makes the most sense to any rational human being

But u missed my point entirely, how do you know your religion you are believing in is the true religion? What makes your religion any more true than christianity, judaism???

I know my religion is the true religion because
-the Qur'an is a linguistic miracle
-The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was the greatest man to walk this earth and was foretold in the Bible. Book of Deuteronomy chapter 18 verse 18:

"I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him."

-Islam is a simple religion calling for you to worship one god alone. As I have said the trinity doesn't make sense

 

[Deleted member 2119]

I'm an Absurdist but I like certain concepts of buddhism (There isn't god in buddihsm just observation but I don't believe in reincarnation in the classical sense)

 

[nausea]

I'm an Absurdist

it means that you are absurd?

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

I know my religion is the true religion because
-the Qur'an is a linguistic miracle


-Islam is a simple religion calling for you to worship one god alone. As I have said the trinity doesn't make sense

miracles such as?

What are you talking about??? Christianity believes in one god too, yes there is the holy trinity but all of the "features" in the holy trinity are pretty much the same thing/ person ( God) anyway. Holy spirit = God, God = God, and Jesus is apparently the son of God but Jesus is really God anyway.

Ill leave this here - Christianity - The belief that a cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

To be honest, yes islam has its differences, but its pretty fucking similar to christianity too when you really analyze it.

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it means that you are absurd?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absurdism

 

[pakicel]

I know my religion is the true religion because
-the Qur'an is a linguistic miracle
-Islam is a simple religion calling for you to worship one god alone. As I have said the trinity doesn't make sense

Jesus is apparently the son of God but Jesus is really God anyway.

Shirk, absolute shirk

 

[Robinxyz]

I wish there were a God, but all the evidence points in the opposite direction.

 

[pakicel]

There is only 1 quran, it has never been changed, it has been fully memorized back to front by millions of Muslims around the world. The bible on the other hand....

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

I wish there were a God, but all the evidence points in the opposite direction.

yeah i think all humans secretly do wish ( even if they do deny it) there was a god they can believe in or just something similar they can believe in just to give their life meaning and to know there is a life after death and all that other stuff that comes with it, although itd have to be a nice god and not a dickish mean god like the one that apparently exists today

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Shirk, absolute shirk

shirk=?

 

[pakicel]

I wish there were a God, but all the evidence points in the opposite direction.

yeah i think all humans secretly do wish ( even if they do deny it) there was a god they can believe in or just something similar they can believe in just to give their life meaning and to know there is a life after death and all that other stuff that comes with it, although itd have to be a nice god and not a dickish mean god like the one that apparently exists today

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Shirk, absolute shirk

shirk=?

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shirk_(Islam)

 

[42cel]

yeah i think all humans secretly do wish ( even if they do deny it) there was a god they can believe in or just something similar they can believe in just to give their life meaning and to know there is a life after death and all that other stuff that comes with it, although itd have to be a nice god and not a dickish mean god like the one that apparently exists today

Exactly, as humans became increasingly intelligent and aware, belief in god was an evolutionary advantage and then became a perfect tool for absolute control.

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

Exactly, as early humans became increasingly intelligent and aware, belief in god was an evolutionary advantage and then became a perfect tool for absolute control.

yea its just gotten shit now, pedo priests hiding behind churches and churches protecting them, and tax evasion. Welcome to 2018

 

[nausea]

@ItheIthe

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

@ItheIthe

oo this will be fun

 

[nausea]

@ItheIthe

oo this will be fun

as an offtopic, I am offended with you ( I tagged you on THAT thread but you still cannot care less )

 

[microDongCityUSA]

Yes i like religions like Buddhism and the earlier Christian texts like Nag Hammadi where the creator God/Gods of this world is not perfect and out to actually keep humanity trapped in this material realm which fits in with idea of our world being a duality of light/darkness rather than some perfect creation.  

Buddhist Text Dhammapada

Verse 170: If a man looks at the world (i.e., the five khandhas) in the same way as one looks at a bubble or a mirage, the King of Death will not find him.

Verse 46: One who knows that this body is impermanent like froth, and comprehends that it is insubstantial like a mirage, will cut the flowers of Mara (i.e., the three kinds of vatta or rounds), and pass out of sight of the King of Death.

Verse 290: If by giving up small pleasures great happiness is to be found, the wise should give up small pleasures seeing (the prospect of) great happiness.

Verse 347: Beings who are infatuated with lust, fall back into the Stream of Craving they have generated, just as a spider does in the web it has spun. The Wise, cutting off the bond of craving, walk on resolutely, leaving, all ills (dukkha) behind.

Verse 147: Look at this dressed up body, a mass of sores, supported (by bones), sickly, a subject of many thoughts (of sensual desire). Indeed, that body is neither permanent nor enduring

Christian text Nag Hammadi

The world came into being through error.  The agent who made it wanted it to be imperishable and immortal. He failed. He came up with less than his desire.  The world was never incorruptible, nor was its maker. Things are not imperishable,  but children are. Nothing can endure that is not first a child. Whoever cannot receivesurely will be unable to give.

The world eats bodies,and everything eaten in the world dies. Truth eats life,but no one fed on truth will find death. Jesus came and he carried food,
giving life to whoever wanted it so they might not die.

But truth brought names into existence in the world for our sakes, because it is not possible to learn it (truth) without these names. Truth is one single thing; it is many things and for our sakes to teach about this one thing in love through many things. The rulers (archons) wanted to deceive man, since they saw that he had a kinship with those that are truly good. They took the name of those that are good and gave it to those that are not good, so that through the names they might deceive him and bind them to those that are not good. And afterward, what a favor they do for them! They make them be removed from those that are not good and place them among those that are good. These things they knew, for they wanted to take the free man and make him a slave to them forever.

 

[ItheIthe]

@ItheIthe

The biggest misconception out there is that science and God contradict one another. Think about life and how scientists try to create it: Through molecular manipulation. We have literally gotten to the point of being able to create clones and manipulate DNA. So how is it absurd to say that there is a god (The God) who can do the same thing? People think of God as creating life as magic, without realizing that we have literally advanced science to the point of being able to create life OURSELVES, without sex.

As far as suffering goes, suffering and impurities exist because we rebelled from God. All you need to do i s look at marriages as a microcosm for this (Marriage is compared in the Bible to union with Christ). If we follow God's will, we experience tremendous and lovely relationships. However, because we have allowed ourselves to be ruled by lust, we see adultery, transsexuality, and all sorts of strange things. Impurities exist because we wanted to do things OUR way.

"So, why doesn't God just step in and put stop to it, you may ask?" Well, let's remember first the story of Adam and Eve, how mankind CHOSE disobedience. Then, let us look at Romans 11:32 "For God has consigned all men to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all". Finally, let us look at Romans 14:11 for a sentiment that is repeated throughout the Bible: "'As surely as I live', says the Lord, 'Every knee shall bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God'. Combine this with 1 Timothy 2:4-5: "[God] desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". With this, I can tell you why God doesn't intervene right now.

Truly, it has been the will of man to do as WE please and not as GOD pleases. So, let's look around and see what we have in the world as a result of this disobedience: Murder, war, adultery, theft, disease, greed, and so on. All sin (Imperfection) is a result of not following His will. God wants every nation to hear the Gospel (Matthew 24). That way, we can compare the will of God (In what is written and practiced in righteous communities), to the will of Man (In what we see around us). If you are a futurist, you even believe that for 1000 years, mankind will reign with Christ on earth WITHOUT the influence of Satan, before Satan is released to test us one last time.

The point is this: God allows us to sin so that when it is time for Him to set up His eternal kingdom, no man will be able to say, "No, let's do things our way". No. Truly, through ALL NATIONS (Not just us) hearing the Gospel, and through a 1000 year reign with Christ, we will be able to compare life under God's law to life under Man's law (The way we live now), and no man will be able to sensibly say "Our way is better". Truly, every man will recognize that God's intended way of life is superior, and the will to rebel will be abolished, not by force, but through our ability to compare and contrast life by God's will to life by Satan's will.

 

[Kointo1]

No.

 

[InebriatedIrish]

Yea, but more for tradition and culture than actual belief. I highly doubt I’m going to heaven.

 

[ItheIthe]

Let me also say this, to those that use the 6000 years vs evolution argument:

The first chapter of Genesis may well not be intended to be taken literally. Just because this chapter says the earth was created in 6 days doesn't mean it was LITERALLY created in 6 days. Oftentimes, TIME is used metaphorically in the Bible, as is the case in The Book of Daniel. The Book of Revelation, also, in prophecy, talks about a "half hour" of peace. Does that mean that war would LITERALLY stop for half an hour, and then resume? Of course not. Also note that the Book of Genesis was written around 3000 years ago. People then knew nothing about archaeology or history. If Moses had said "The planet has been around for 65 million years", he quite literally would have been disregarded as crazy. In other words: There is good reason for time to be used metaphorically in the Book of Genesis.

And there was no reason for Moses, author of the Book of Genesis, to talk about dinosaurs or cavemen, or even for God to give him knowledge of these things. The Book of Genesis, again, is an old book written for an audience around 3000 years ago. People then had NO conception of cavemen or dinosaurs. Speaking of such things would have just bewildered these people, and made them disbelieve Moses.

 

[nausea]

@ItheIthe fyi I will reply to this thread, I subscribed to it so I am aware of any post here

 

[SeifEsteem]

@ItheIthe

The biggest misconception out there is that science and God contradict one another. Think about life and how scientists try to create it: Through molecular manipulation. We have literally gotten to the point of being able to create clones and manipulate DNA. So how is it absurd to say that there is a god (The God) who can do the same thing? People think of God as creating life as magic, without realizing that we have literally advanced science to the point of being able to create life OURSELVES, without sex.
As far as suffering goes, suffering and impurities exist because we rebelled from God. All you need to do i s look at marriages as a microcosm for this (Marriage is compared in the Bible to union with Christ). If we follow God's will, we experience tremendous and lovely relationships. However, because we have allowed ourselves to be ruled by lust, we see adultery, transsexuality, and all sorts of strange things. Impurities exist because we wanted to do things OUR way.
"So, why doesn't God just step in and put stop to it, you may ask?" Well, let's remember first the story of Adam and Eve, how mankind CHOSE disobedience. Then, let us look at Romans 11:32 "For God has consigned all men to disobedience, so that He may have mercy on them all". Finally, let us look at Romans 14:11 for a sentiment that is repeated throughout the Bible: "'As surely as I live', says the Lord, 'Every knee shall bow before me; every tongue will acknowledge God'. Combine this with 1 Timothy 2:4-5: "[God] desires all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". With this, I can tell you why God doesn't intervene right now.
Truly, it has been the will of man to do as WE please and not as GOD pleases. So, let's look around and see what we have in the world as a result of this disobedience: Murder, war, adultery, theft, disease, greed, and so on. All sin (Imperfection) is a result of not following His will. God wants every nation to hear the Gospel (Matthew 24). That way, we can compare the will of God (In what is written and practiced in righteous communities), to the will of Man (In what we see around us). If you are a futurist, you even believe that for 1000 years, mankind will reign with Christ on earth WITHOUT the influence of Satan, before Satan is released to test us one last time.
The point is this: God allows us to sin so that when it is time for Him to set up His eternal kingdom, no man will be able to say, "No, let's do things our way". No. Truly, through ALL NATIONS (Not just us) hearing the Gospel, and through a 1000 year reign with Christ, we will be able to compare life under God's law to life under Man's law (The way we live now), and no man will be able to sensibly say "Our way is better". Truly, every man will recognize that God's intended way of life is superior, and the will to rebel will be abolished, not by force, but through our ability to compare and contrast life by God's will to life by Satan's will.

 

[Tellem--T]

Yes, we are all going to hell

 

[ItheIthe]

EDIT: I mistakenly wrote about earth being around for 65 million year when the argument is in fact 4.5 billion years or so

 

[ItheIthe]

Response @nausea?

 

[idkwattodowithlife]

I'm an Agnostic Atheist.

I don't know if there's a god or not.

 

[ICanOnlyFapToBDSM]

I believe in nothing, just that im the designated bottom bitchy boy for some wicked demiurge who couldnt give a flying fuck if i live or die as long as he gets his rocks off

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

I believe in nothing, just that im the designated bottom bitchy boy for some wicked demiurge who couldnt give a flying fuck if i live or die as long as he gets his rocks off

lol i love the description

 

[Kointo1]

[video=youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XirpA22qsxo[/video]

FALLEN ANGEL, CONSUME MY ESSENCE. FILL ME WITH BITTER HATRED AND JEALOUSY. FILL ME WITH SIN.

 

[nausea]

Response @nausea?

the reason I am still not responding is real life happening, I cannot elaborate a proper response atm, will do when I can, because I wanna give a supereffort reply

 

[PM_ME_STRIPPERS]

the reason I am still not responding is real life happening, I cannot elaborate a proper response atm, will do when I can, because I wanna give a supereffort reply

my body is ready