Cope Reddit delusion "You're not seen as creepy because you're ugly, it's because you're creepy."

[no_name]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/jr2pvd/youre_not_seen_as_creepy_because_youre_ugly_its/

 

[Gymcelled]

Meanwhile science disagrees but they'll conveniently deny this

Women permit 'creepy' behavior from attractive but not unattractive men

Gibson & Gore (2015) conducted a study regarding women's perception of men's "norm violating" behavior being influenced by their level of physical attractiveness, based on the well-proven concept of the halo effect regarding physical attractiveness. The participants (N = 170) female college students, were given a sheet describing two different scenarios: The first scenario was a common innocuous behavior (a boy asking to borrow her pen in class) and the second "norm violating" scenario involved a strange man approaching her on campus and asking to take "modeling" photographs of her.

Attached to the worksheet were two faces, one a young attractive man the other an unattractive man. Both were wearing identical clothing and were Caucasian. Each participant was exposed to either face or scenario. The female participants were required to report if they would acquiesce to the man's request in both conditions, their level of comfort, and their perception of the man's character. It was found that the women's perception of the men's character and her level of comfort were largely unaffected by the looks of the man in low norm violation condition. However, their perception of the man's character and level of comfort were significantly affected by the man's looks in the high norm violation condition, with the unattractive man being viewed far more harshly.

Quotes:

• Facially unattractive males receive a more negative response in terms of perceived characteristics from violating social norms than facially attractive males.
• The current experiment found that, while social violation of norms accounted for much of the differences between conditions, a devil effect occurred amplifying the negative feelings toward the unattractive male. In this way, a "double" devil effect occurred between norm violation and unattractiveness.
• Online dating, in particular, is susceptible to both the halo and devil attractiveness biases. These biases based on attractiveness often influence the perception of a user’s profile and that of the individual as a whole.
• Risk factors for a devil effect occurring is not exclusive to social dating. The judicial system has been shown to be susceptible to attractiveness halo and devil effects when determining sentences, with the unattractive defendant receiving a more severe penalty than the attractive defendant for committing the same crime.

References:

• Gibson JL, Gore JS. 2015. You’re OK Until You Misbehave: How Norm Violations Magnify the Attractiveness Devil Effect. Gender Issues. 32(4): 266–278. [Abstract]

Men & especially ugly men are considered inherently 'creepier' than women

McAndrew & Koehnke (2016) conducted an empirical study into the concept of 'creepiness'. Participants conducted a survey regarding their conceptualization of creepiness, and whether they thought 'creepy' people were more likely to be male or female.

Specifically, they were asked "Imagine a close friend of yours whose judgment you trust. Now imagine that this friend tells you that she or he just met someone for the first time and tells you that the person was 'creepy'." They were then requested to rate the likelihood of the 'creepy' individual exhibiting various type of behaviors e.g "the person never looked your friend in the eye" on a 5 point scale.

The participants then rated their view of the level of the creepiness of various occupations again on a 5 point scale.

The participants then listed any occupations they thought were particularly creepy, and finally expressed their level of agreement with various statements regarding the nature of creepy people, i.e. "I think that the person has a sexual interest in me," and "I am uncomfortable because I cannot predict how he or she will behave."

Finally, they were asked as to whether they they thought creepy people realized whether they were creepy or not.

The researchers found:

• 95.3% of the respondents thought that creepy people were much more likely to be males than females.
• Using t-tests comparing the responses of the participants of either sex, it was found that women were far more likely to perceive a sexual threat from a 'creepy' individual then men.
• Respondents noted that appearance was a significant factor of whether someone was 'creepy' or not. Reported appearance based factors included: The person was dressed oddly (.601), had unkempt hair (.609), had bags under his or her eyes (.599), had bulging eyes (.563), had a peculiar smile (.546), had very pale skin (.566), with parentheses indicating how 'loaded on' or correlated these variables are with the composite general appearance based factor created by the researchers.

Discussion:

It is notable that lots of the factors that determine creepiness are about largely genetically determined conditions about physical appearance and neurotypical behavior, so creepiness is likely primarily a judgement about genes rather than driven by the intention to correct correctable behavior.

Quotes:

• Everything that we found in this study is consistent with the notion that the perception of creepiness is a response to the ambiguity of threat. Males are more physically threatening to people of both sexes than are females, and they were more likely to be perceived as creepy by males and females alike.
• The prediction was supported by both of these items. Females were more likely than males to think that steering a conversation toward sex was characteristic of a creepy person, Means 4.23 (.930) vs. 3.90 (1.03), and they were also more likely to think that the creepy person had a sexual interest in them, mean (SD in parentheses) 3.51 (1.02) vs. 2.99 (1.15).
• Most of our subjects believed that creepy people cannot change, and only a small minority of our subjects (8.6%) believed that creepy people are aware that they are creepy.

References:

• McAndrew FT, Koehnke SS. 2016. On the nature of creepiness. New Ideas in Psychology. 43: 10-15. [Abstract] [FullText]

 

[JustinSane]

Creepy attractive guy: "playful and spontaneous"




Creepy ugly guy: "weirdo/virgin/loser"



The creepy label is reserved for ugly men.

 

[Saudade]

Why yes, i cannot get laid cause i am creepy, it's over.

 

[Deleted member 27495]

reddit ""advice"" is almost always just a bunch of cherrypicked anecdotal evidence and u can see how they try so hard to ignore the blackpill its hilarious

>you're creepy

he gives no basis or definition for what he considers to be "creepiness" because he doesn't even know what hes talking about.

 

[Deleted member 26140]

Imagine denying the immense impact of the halo effect

 

[Numb]

"ur creepy bc ur creepy" 10/10 logical response with such detail and sophistication

 

[SlayerSlayer]

I CANT THINK

 

[Deleted member 22685]

Again, I'm not saying it isn't true attractive can get away with slightly more than ugly people. But there isn't huge leeway. You guys have this very odd misconception about that.

You didn't explain why. Could it possibly be that you have no clue what you are talking about and are just blowing hot air out of your mouth? Nah, you are a soydditor, your IQ is infinity.

 

[TheMostAncientcel]

They feel invaded by ugly men and call it creepy. With Chad is just normal socializing/getting closer.This is how m'lady feels towards ugly men who just say "hi"

 

[Snowman888]

COPE MAXIMUM

 

[Mecoja]

There are many men who are ugly but they manage to be womanizers because they aren't creepy.

Yeah right

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

Normies don't want to believe that halo effect is true.

 

[Deleted member 28148]

Creepy attractive guy: "playful and spontaneous"
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Creepy ugly guy: "weirdo/virgin/loser"
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The creepy label is reserved for ugly men.

plato's cave iq

 

[Deleted member 29529]

“Unpopular opinion”

 

[dirtykombatcel]

Meanwhile science disagrees but they'll conveniently deny this

Women permit 'creepy' behavior from attractive but not unattractive men

Gibson & Gore (2015) conducted a study regarding women's perception of men's "norm violating" behavior being influenced by their level of physical attractiveness, based on the well-proven concept of the halo effect regarding physical attractiveness. The participants (N = 170) female college students, were given a sheet describing two different scenarios: The first scenario was a common innocuous behavior (a boy asking to borrow her pen in class) and the second "norm violating" scenario involved a strange man approaching her on campus and asking to take "modeling" photographs of her.

Attached to the worksheet were two faces, one a young attractive man the other an unattractive man. Both were wearing identical clothing and were Caucasian. Each participant was exposed to either face or scenario. The female participants were required to report if they would acquiesce to the man's request in both conditions, their level of comfort, and their perception of the man's character. It was found that the women's perception of the men's character and her level of comfort were largely unaffected by the looks of the man in low norm violation condition. However, their perception of the man's character and level of comfort were significantly affected by the man's looks in the high norm violation condition, with the unattractive man being viewed far more harshly.

Quotes:

• Facially unattractive males receive a more negative response in terms of perceived characteristics from violating social norms than facially attractive males.
• The current experiment found that, while social violation of norms accounted for much of the differences between conditions, a devil effect occurred amplifying the negative feelings toward the unattractive male. In this way, a "double" devil effect occurred between norm violation and unattractiveness.
• Online dating, in particular, is susceptible to both the halo and devil attractiveness biases. These biases based on attractiveness often influence the perception of a user’s profile and that of the individual as a whole.
• Risk factors for a devil effect occurring is not exclusive to social dating. The judicial system has been shown to be susceptible to attractiveness halo and devil effects when determining sentences, with the unattractive defendant receiving a more severe penalty than the attractive defendant for committing the same crime.

References:

• Gibson JL, Gore JS. 2015. You’re OK Until You Misbehave: How Norm Violations Magnify the Attractiveness Devil Effect. Gender Issues. 32(4): 266–278. [Abstract]

Men & especially ugly men are considered inherently 'creepier' than women

McAndrew & Koehnke (2016) conducted an empirical study into the concept of 'creepiness'. Participants conducted a survey regarding their conceptualization of creepiness, and whether they thought 'creepy' people were more likely to be male or female.

Specifically, they were asked "Imagine a close friend of yours whose judgment you trust. Now imagine that this friend tells you that she or he just met someone for the first time and tells you that the person was 'creepy'." They were then requested to rate the likelihood of the 'creepy' individual exhibiting various type of behaviors e.g "the person never looked your friend in the eye" on a 5 point scale.

The participants then rated their view of the level of the creepiness of various occupations again on a 5 point scale.

The participants then listed any occupations they thought were particularly creepy, and finally expressed their level of agreement with various statements regarding the nature of creepy people, i.e. "I think that the person has a sexual interest in me," and "I am uncomfortable because I cannot predict how he or she will behave."

Finally, they were asked as to whether they they thought creepy people realized whether they were creepy or not.

The researchers found:

• 95.3% of the respondents thought that creepy people were much more likely to be males than females.
• Using t-tests comparing the responses of the participants of either sex, it was found that women were far more likely to perceive a sexual threat from a 'creepy' individual then men.
• Respondents noted that appearance was a significant factor of whether someone was 'creepy' or not. Reported appearance based factors included: The person was dressed oddly (.601), had unkempt hair (.609), had bags under his or her eyes (.599), had bulging eyes (.563), had a peculiar smile (.546), had very pale skin (.566), with parentheses indicating how 'loaded on' or correlated these variables are with the composite general appearance based factor created by the researchers.

Discussion:

It is notable that lots of the factors that determine creepiness are about largely genetically determined conditions about physical appearance and neurotypical behavior, so creepiness is likely primarily a judgement about genes rather than driven by the intention to correct correctable behavior.

Quotes:

• Everything that we found in this study is consistent with the notion that the perception of creepiness is a response to the ambiguity of threat. Males are more physically threatening to people of both sexes than are females, and they were more likely to be perceived as creepy by males and females alike.
• The prediction was supported by both of these items. Females were more likely than males to think that steering a conversation toward sex was characteristic of a creepy person, Means 4.23 (.930) vs. 3.90 (1.03), and they were also more likely to think that the creepy person had a sexual interest in them, mean (SD in parentheses) 3.51 (1.02) vs. 2.99 (1.15).
• Most of our subjects believed that creepy people cannot change, and only a small minority of our subjects (8.6%) believed that creepy people are aware that they are creepy.

References:

• McAndrew FT, Koehnke SS. 2016. On the nature of creepiness. New Ideas in Psychology. 43: 10-15. [Abstract] [FullText]

knew you'd come debunk this one

 

[Ghoulcel]

"You're creepy because you're creepy"
nice rhetoric 10/10, let's just forget about cognitive bias and the Halo Effect so we can say how they love science
I fucking hate cuckit

 

[Gymcelled]

knew you'd come debunk this one

 

[The Abyss]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/jr2pvd/youre_not_seen_as_creepy_because_youre_ugly_its/

Bullshit, also jfl @ saying women can be perceived as creepy. Watamote if lead was a male = Ewww loser.

 

[Incellectual]

“Unpopular opinion”

ngl most normies don't deny that looks matter. Its pretty much only soyboys and landwhales on twitter and reddit that say so just to be contrarians.

 

[Deleted member 26358]

Meanwhile science disagrees but they'll conveniently deny this

Women permit 'creepy' behavior from attractive but not unattractive men

Gibson & Gore (2015) conducted a study regarding women's perception of men's "norm violating" behavior being influenced by their level of physical attractiveness, based on the well-proven concept of the halo effect regarding physical attractiveness. The participants (N = 170) female college students, were given a sheet describing two different scenarios: The first scenario was a common innocuous behavior (a boy asking to borrow her pen in class) and the second "norm violating" scenario involved a strange man approaching her on campus and asking to take "modeling" photographs of her.

Attached to the worksheet were two faces, one a young attractive man the other an unattractive man. Both were wearing identical clothing and were Caucasian. Each participant was exposed to either face or scenario. The female participants were required to report if they would acquiesce to the man's request in both conditions, their level of comfort, and their perception of the man's character. It was found that the women's perception of the men's character and her level of comfort were largely unaffected by the looks of the man in low norm violation condition. However, their perception of the man's character and level of comfort were significantly affected by the man's looks in the high norm violation condition, with the unattractive man being viewed far more harshly.

Quotes:

• Facially unattractive males receive a more negative response in terms of perceived characteristics from violating social norms than facially attractive males.
• The current experiment found that, while social violation of norms accounted for much of the differences between conditions, a devil effect occurred amplifying the negative feelings toward the unattractive male. In this way, a "double" devil effect occurred between norm violation and unattractiveness.
• Online dating, in particular, is susceptible to both the halo and devil attractiveness biases. These biases based on attractiveness often influence the perception of a user’s profile and that of the individual as a whole.
• Risk factors for a devil effect occurring is not exclusive to social dating. The judicial system has been shown to be susceptible to attractiveness halo and devil effects when determining sentences, with the unattractive defendant receiving a more severe penalty than the attractive defendant for committing the same crime.

References:

• Gibson JL, Gore JS. 2015. You’re OK Until You Misbehave: How Norm Violations Magnify the Attractiveness Devil Effect. Gender Issues. 32(4): 266–278. [Abstract]

Men & especially ugly men are considered inherently 'creepier' than women

McAndrew & Koehnke (2016) conducted an empirical study into the concept of 'creepiness'. Participants conducted a survey regarding their conceptualization of creepiness, and whether they thought 'creepy' people were more likely to be male or female.

Specifically, they were asked "Imagine a close friend of yours whose judgment you trust. Now imagine that this friend tells you that she or he just met someone for the first time and tells you that the person was 'creepy'." They were then requested to rate the likelihood of the 'creepy' individual exhibiting various type of behaviors e.g "the person never looked your friend in the eye" on a 5 point scale.

The participants then rated their view of the level of the creepiness of various occupations again on a 5 point scale.

The participants then listed any occupations they thought were particularly creepy, and finally expressed their level of agreement with various statements regarding the nature of creepy people, i.e. "I think that the person has a sexual interest in me," and "I am uncomfortable because I cannot predict how he or she will behave."

Finally, they were asked as to whether they they thought creepy people realized whether they were creepy or not.

The researchers found:

• 95.3% of the respondents thought that creepy people were much more likely to be males than females.
• Using t-tests comparing the responses of the participants of either sex, it was found that women were far more likely to perceive a sexual threat from a 'creepy' individual then men.
• Respondents noted that appearance was a significant factor of whether someone was 'creepy' or not. Reported appearance based factors included: The person was dressed oddly (.601), had unkempt hair (.609), had bags under his or her eyes (.599), had bulging eyes (.563), had a peculiar smile (.546), had very pale skin (.566), with parentheses indicating how 'loaded on' or correlated these variables are with the composite general appearance based factor created by the researchers.

Discussion:

It is notable that lots of the factors that determine creepiness are about largely genetically determined conditions about physical appearance and neurotypical behavior, so creepiness is likely primarily a judgement about genes rather than driven by the intention to correct correctable behavior.

Quotes:

• Everything that we found in this study is consistent with the notion that the perception of creepiness is a response to the ambiguity of threat. Males are more physically threatening to people of both sexes than are females, and they were more likely to be perceived as creepy by males and females alike.
• The prediction was supported by both of these items. Females were more likely than males to think that steering a conversation toward sex was characteristic of a creepy person, Means 4.23 (.930) vs. 3.90 (1.03), and they were also more likely to think that the creepy person had a sexual interest in them, mean (SD in parentheses) 3.51 (1.02) vs. 2.99 (1.15).
• Most of our subjects believed that creepy people cannot change, and only a small minority of our subjects (8.6%) believed that creepy people are aware that they are creepy.

References:

• McAndrew FT, Koehnke SS. 2016. On the nature of creepiness. New Ideas in Psychology. 43: 10-15. [Abstract] [FullText]

IT BTFO

 

[Incline]

Yeah makes total fucking sense if you blow your brains out.

 

[Atavistic Autist]

you're just inherently creepy

Isn't the whole point about denying the role of looks and attributing it to behavior that you are capable of changing the behavior?

Well, saying "inherently creepy" takes away even this internal locus of control. So soys and foids want to have the best of both worlds: blaming you for being hated, and declaring you unalterably inferior.

 

[Urekkim]

The classic Halo effect

 

[LittleDarkAge]

Just don't be creepy theory

 

[TINMAN]

ngl most normies don't deny that looks matter. Its pretty much only soyboys and landwhales on twitter and reddit that say so just to be contrarians.

A lot of chads do deny it

 

[Detro]

Sexual dynamics is practically inherently predatory, so of course the predator will be seen as "creeping around" by the prey up until the point the prey actively wants to be preyed upon.
Once you demystify relationships this stuff is common sense.