Reasoning behind the rules of the site.

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tl;dr at the end.

Over this last year the site has been online, I've read and heard many times that our rules are incorrect, or that they allow "fakecels" in, or that they could be made better. I intent to explain the reasoning behind each and show why they are our best option instead of more idealistic alternatives.

The current rules are as such:
  • Incel (Allowed): Person who is not in a relationship nor has had sex in a significant amount of time, despite numerous attempts.
  • Blackpilled (Conditional): Person who believes in / wishes to learn about the Blackpill.
  • Female (Not Allowed): Banned on sight, no exceptions.
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1 - Female (Not Allowed)

Just like you wouldn't let in non-veterans in war veteran meetings, or non-high school students in high school student meetings, it makes little sense to let in females into an environment where males are the ones who are unable to find relationships. In other words, where incels are males.
The belief that females can be incel - which is not unreasonable if you're thinking about the bottom percentile of females in terms of appearance, but some would argue even then - let me remind you that /r/femcels ("female incels") has so many men asking the girls out on dates that they made a rule forbidding it. This goes to show that even those females who believe are extremely unattractive and un-dateable keep getting requests from males over and over.

This is only one reasoning behind the rule however. Females also tend to repeat the same platitudes that every person who comes into contact with incels makes, due to the simple fact that they are unable to empathise with incels, unable to understand their situations, or unable to believe incels are a real thing. There are also many, albeit not all, who simply crave attention or "beta orbiters", and thus will try to cause as much commotion as possible to get people to notice them.

For those females who are "genuinely curious" as they usually state, the FAQ already explains everything that we've been asked regarding incels, and they can email us if there are any more questions, at which point I update the FAQ. Therefore, there is no need for them to join to understand incels.

And yet, the amount of females who try to register stating that if they aren't let in we would be commiting a grave mistake and/or becoming an echo chamber where different opinions are not allowed is staggering.

People who claim we do not allow females due to misogyny simply crave drama. Sensationalist media has been guilty of this, as well as ignorant/bullying subreddits like inceltears.

2 - Incel (Allowed)

Before touching the blackpilled rule I want to clarify the definition of incel.

To start with, being incel and believing in the Blackpill are two separate things. While it is true that being incel generally carries an eventual belief in the Blackpill, one can believe and not be incel and vice-versa, they are not mutually inclusive. Therefore, the definition of incel must not include the Blackpill in it.

Next, we come across the current definition:

Person who is not in a relationship nor has had sex in a significant amount of time, despite numerous attempts

This definition has been the one used since /r/incels started years ago, except we decided to tweak it to include both relationships and sex, and changed it from "6 months" to "a significant amount of time".

Some people complain this allows "fakecels", since, for example, a person could have a girlfriend, and after a breakup he might feel lazy or depressed and find himself claiming to be incel after just a few weeks of the situation.

These fakecel claims are incorrect, as to be incel there must be an involuntary (IN-cel) situation. That is to say, the person must have tried repeatedly to enter a relationship again during this significant amount of time. "But he was depressed and/or lazy!", you may say; in this case the person is volcel, as there was no desire to be in a relationship, therefore him being not an involuntary celibate but a voluntary one.

The claims continue, however. Some say that a person can't be incel if he has had sex at any point in his life.
A simple case to show why this is incorrect would be a person who was very popular with the girls until an accident leaves him massively disfigured and paraplegic, which is enough to show that there are cases where having sex and being incel are not mutually exclusive.

Saying that we should not allow people who have had sex regardless because we would be letting in more "fakecels" than legitimate cases like the above is selfish and engages in elitism: No incel is better than other, and if there are the person from the example would now be more incel than most. Any actual fakecels are banned the moment it is known so, and for the most part shouldn't be proficient enough to lie their way through registration. Those who complain about these supposed fakecels in the forum tend to be bitter or selfish as they have no real proof about it, and instead of sending such information to the mods so the "fakecel" is banned, decide instead to give the user more attention by attacking them with baseless or incomplete claims.

With all of this in mind, the current definition allows all incels entry to the site regardless of situation, as long as the person has legitimately tried to be in a relationship for a significant amount of time but was unable to.
Remember that the fact the term "truecel" exists (a person who has never had sex nor kissed a girl in his life) is proof enough that "incel" should not be fully strict in its definition.

As for sites who want only "truecels"; they are making an inextricable mistake. They are 1) encouraging people to lie and pretend just to be part of the group, as actual truecels are rare and not better nor worse than the average incel, 2) encouraging tribalism, a childlike attitude, and 3) shooting themselves in the foot, as like I've already explained above there can be truecels in the strict definition of the word who once were attractive or popular until their situation changed. Regardless, more incel sites is always a good thing, and thus people are encouraged to create their own with their own version of rules, we don't claim to be the best forum by any means.

3 - Blackpilled (Conditional)

The final part is the blackpilled rule. Why allow those who just believe in the blackpill?

For one, inceldom is not a movement, yet it is hard to claim that being blackpilled isn't a development that happens to most incels. As such, spreading the blackpill (which is scientific facts at the end of the day and not just merely an ideology) is a positive development for us. Allowing those who know or wish to know more about the blackpill assures that this in turn spreads and more people become aware of it, bringing more incels in awareness to their own situation, and slowly making society accept the facts that we all know regarding romantic and sexual behavior.

The most important part of this rule however is the conditional in blue: Any blackpilled person who wishes to stay in the forum must be indistinguishable from an incel (not to mention they must have passed the registration form). Thus, for all intents and purposes the person is an incel in here. The moment he breaks the rule of bragging (which is clarified in this site as talking about any romantic or sexual situation whatsoever) the person gets banned permanently, no if's or but's.

To put into perspective what would happen if the rule wasn't here, let's make an example:
Whogivesafuk was a user who was very beloved by the community here. He posted what were arguably very blackpilled threads and made friends. Eventually it came to light that he was in a relationship, and has since been permanently banned.

The question is: Weren't those months of quality threads and enjoyment of the community worth it regardless of the background of the person, because the user follows the rules? The moment it came to light he didn't belong, he was banned, no questions asked.

In a forum which didn't allow blackpilled users the situation would have been the exact same, except the person would have been encouraged to pretend and lie even more simply to create an image of belonging, to the point that perhaps it would have never been known he was in a relationship. And if the information had come out that he was in a relationship, everyone would freak out and start looking left and right, not knowing who else could be lying.

Thus, not having the blackpilled rule seems foolish and encourages paranoia. The idealism of making a forum just for incels is unrealistic, while the pragmatism of making it for people who can keep their mouth shut and learn to follow the practices of the place is both welcoming and fair. Sites who try to be "just for incels/truecels" may have a noble goal, but have failed before starting.

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These are my opinions and the reasoning I've given when questioned about the rules. You may understandably disagree and as such my inbox is always open to discussion.

tl;dr: The rules were made with strict reasoning behind them and have been this way since /r/incels started for a reason. If you disagree feel free to either create your own alternative site, which we encourage, or PM a mod with suggestions.
 

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Rules does make sense, we don't ''compare'' who is the worst here or who is in the worst situation. The problem is some users have nothing wrong(lookswise) and keep beliving they are incels. Maybe if they belive they are , they are, i dunno i can't be the judge in their lifes.
Inceldom is and should be, all about looks and the lack of having any attention from any foid no matter how hard you try for it.
 
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This is a highly controversial opinion but, to me, there's hardly any difference between a good-looking user who has sex on a regular basis and/or a relationship and one who doesn't. The blackpill proves that if you're good-looking, you are able to get sex. Those who are good-looking and don't are just retards wasting their looks, which, to me, is just as disturbing as fakecels.

That said, as much as I'm disturbed at some male-model-looking guy posting here, I'm not for banning them because some are good users and I agree that the blackpill is a movement. Just talking about my feelings here.
 
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We need @Tellem--T back asap

Free @Kointo
It's very sad to think such great users are never coming back while low-quality cucks, like the guy I just responded to, who want to turn one of the few spaces we have left to exercise our freedom of speech to a satisfactory extent into a PC safespace like 99% of the internet already is, are staying.
 

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It's very sad to think such great users are never coming back while low-quality cucks, like the guy I just responded to, who want to turn one of the few spaces we have left to exercise our freedom of speech to a satisfactory extent into a PC safespace like 99% of the internet already is, are staying.
Oh yeah that guy lmao I'm pretty sure he's just a cuck in disguise
 

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Being a cuck should be against the rules, just like spreading bluepilled shit is.
I've see people get banned for spreading bluepill before. It surprises me that this cuck hasn't been banned
 

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Define cuck as you are using it here please.
Whiteknighting about how sexually developed and most likely sexually active foids are little children who have to be protected from the evil "pedos". Saying that a guy even just expressing his desires about fucking such girls must be banned/jailed/killed/whatever.
 

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It's very sad to think such great users are never coming back while low-quality cucks, like the guy I just responded to, who want to turn one of the few spaces we have left to exercise our freedom of speech to a satisfactory extent into a PC safespace like 99% of the internet already is, are staying.
great users??? did you even see the sort of content they'd posted? one of them literally admitted to being a LARPing troll and changed his persona from "NEET gymcel" to "slayer with loads of tinder matches" after his ban, even bragging about his matches in incel discord servers, and the other was never anything more than a shitposter, which are dime a dozen.
 

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I think there are a lot of gray areas. I brought up earlier the idea of a "marginalcel" who maybe can get pussy once every blue moon, but has no idea if/when it's going to happen again. For example, many men who spend 90% of their lives in a "forever alone" type of situation could find a mentally ill chick now and then who will get with him for a short time before leaving his life a flaming wreckage as she leaves. Or they can get pussy by some means that borders on prostitution, e.g. getting a mail-order bride who will frivorce-rape them and leave with the green card. (Per IMBRA, you're actually only allowed to do that twice per lifetime unless you get special permission from the government, so someone relying on that strategy would be incel after the second frivorce.)

A lot of "volcels" are incels in denial, and a lot of "incels" are volcels who just don't feel like making attempts to get laid because the return doesn't seem worth the effort. Betas are getting treated worse and worse by foids and by the system, so more and more men are just throwing in the towel and deciding to go celibate. The bottom line is that both incels and failed normies have said, "Fuck trying to have a satisfying relationship."
 

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Correct that inceldom and being blackpilled are not exclusive.

For example, a certain tattooed harline mulatto that's obsessed with us is far from an incel, yet is obviously extremely blackpilled. Many male models are likely similar, although they never have any need to admit it.
 

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great users??? did you even see the sort of content they'd posted? one of them literally admitted to being a LARPing troll and changed his persona from "NEET gymcel" to "slayer with loads of tinder matches" after his ban, even bragging about his matches in incel discord servers, and the other was never anything more than a shitposter, which are dime a dozen.
Wait, which one are you referring to? Tellem--T? I didn't see that tbh.

But the guy was funny as hell, that's why I liked him.
 

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Wait, which one are you referring to? Tellem--T? I didn't see that tbh.

But the guy was funny as hell, that's why I liked him.
yes, tellem-t. funny, perhaps, but a LARPing and selfie spamming troll who thought of inceldom as nothing more than something to mock nonetheless.
 

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Wait, which one are you referring to? Tellem--T? I didn't see that tbh.

But the guy was funny as hell, that's why I liked him.
Consider that any user who is banned, was banned for breaking the rules repeatedly. If on top their ban appeal was rejected, you can be sure the user does not belong here.
 

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The moderation here seems really good. I know I just joined but, when I used to lurk, they always seem active and willing to communicate.

Hey have you ever though about maintaining a ban list that lists everyone who's been banned, by what mod, at what date and time, and for what post? That way you can store all the pertinent infomation about each ban and people won't have to ask.
 

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Hey have you ever though about maintaining a ban list that lists everyone who's been banned, by what mod, at what date and time, and for what post? That way you can store all the pertinent infomation about each ban and people won't have to ask.
It would encourage trolls to make accounts and get banned to get attention. We already have the information we need as mods who can see bans at a glance.
 

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yes, tellem-t. funny, perhaps, but a LARPing and selfie spamming troll who thought of inceldom as nothing more than something to mock nonetheless.
Ok, what can I say. It's a shame some users who are entertaining and/or high IQ have to be assburgers who compulsively transgress like that.
Consider that any user who is banned, was banned for breaking the rules repeatedly. If on top their ban appeal was rejected, you can be sure the user does not belong here.
Point taken, but I'd argue someone who is both a cuck defending girls who don't give a shit about him (considering he's even an incel at all) from a nonexistent threat (hurr "pedos" who want to fuck a developed high schooler) and can't handle freedom of speech don't belong here either.
 

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@SergeantIncel Are escortcels or people who have been with an escorts/prositutes considered incels, because many members view them as ''fakecels''. I am against them ngl , KHH i am ok , but virgin...as long as you can pay for it, what's wrong with it....anybody can do it and it's ok, it's just another cope.
 

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@SergeantIncel Are escortcels or people who have been with an escorts/prositutes considered incels, because many members view them as ''fakecels''. I am against it ngl, KHH i am ok , but virgin...as long as you can pay for it, what's wrong with it.
Considering escortcels fakecels is the same as saying everyone here is a volcel, since anyone can pay a prostitute for sex.
 

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Considering escortcels fakecels is the same as saying everyone here is a volcel, since anyone can pay a prostitute for sex.
Exactly, it's something anybody can do . Doesn't make you less incel than someone who doesn't like it.
 

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@SergeantIncel Are escortcels or people who have been with an escorts/prositutes considered incels, because many members view them as ''fakecels''. I am against them ngl , KHH i am ok , but virgin...as long as you can pay for it, what's wrong with it....anybody can do it and it's ok, it's just another cope.
As @Mainländer said, it would not make sense to label people who have been with escorts as fakecels. With that definition, incels do not exist, as there will always be a girl so desperate as to be with any man for money.
 

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Alright Sarge I'm hijacking this thread (with no survivors). Since it's about the rules, I feel it is appropriate enough.

This is another public cry for you and the other mods/higher-ups to start fucking enforcing the spam and low effort content rule. I have gotten tired of reporting every low effort post I see and having nothing done about it, even though it is clearly stated in the rules and has been in there for as long as I can remember. I have lost interest in reading this forum, not because I grow weary of it, but because there is no intelligent discourse. It just people making quotes with no response (making following actual discourse in threads impossible), saying meme-tier things like "agreed" or "high-IQ" that do just garble the thread and homogenize the experience, or posting completely off-topic responses about the "popular kids" at the incel lunch table. I should not have to work this hard to follow a good discussion that appears between 2 users on like 1-out-of-10 threads.

I have long claimed that I will make a video discussing this one day, but I am too high-inhib to do it and my voice is comparable to Carl from Jimmy Neutron so i don't need to add that to be mocked for. Maybe one day I'll get over my fear, or your continued "hide-it-under-the-rug" mentality of this blatantly obvious problem will annoy me so much I will just do it. The lack of enforcement of the spam and low effort rule has turned this forum into a clique of low-IQ spammers. Imagine if I was an IT user and I came here to look at the "discussion" forum... I'd honest to god think there were actual children and retards here. It completely justifies their beliefs that "incels r dum".

Please address this since this is a "rules explanation" thread. It hasn't gotten any better and this forum is becoming more of a jumbled mess. Nobody wants to have discussion. This place should be above reddit/braincels, not at it's level. I have offered concrete solutions to fixing this multiple times. Another solution I'd like to add that I haven't stated before is that if you want to spam or chat, go to the discord and not on the forum which should be reserved for INTELLIGENT discourse. My ingore list gets longer ans longer every day full of spammers. I don't want to block these people; I don't hate them. There is legitimately only one person on my ignore list that is NOT for spam.

If you don't care about it and think I'm an idiot, then at least remove it form the rules. There is worse spam here than on reddit... that should be the wake-up call.
 
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I have long claimed that I will make a video discussing this one day, but I am too high-inhib to do it and my voice is comparable to Carl from Jimmy Neutron so i don't need to add that to be mocked for.
Do what FACE does and just do text to speech.

I agree to an extent though, the spam on here is at horrible levels, i'd report some of it if I knew it would make a difference. One of my threads got hi-jacked and spammed to death so I had it deleted rather than keep that monstrosity up when no one was gonna take it seriously, i'd rather my threads die naturally than be spammed to death.

And to be honest, the spam is what many users here consider "entertaining" and "funny". Tellem-T did nothing but spam and say dumb shit, but that's funny to people somehow, same with a lot of the other high post count users. Simply replying with :soy: is the peak of comedy round' these here parts. It's part of the incels.is forum culture, and I can't lie and say I don't make low effort shitposts sometimes too.
 

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This is another public cry for you and the other mods/higher-ups to start fucking enforcing the spam and low effort content rule. I have gotten tired of reporting every low effort post I see and having nothing done about it,
We do warn people for low effort threads. Low effort posts are a different matter, and we only warn those that are made repeatedly or blatant shiposts. Everyone responds with some low effort every once in a while.
And, we are less than a dozen mods. We can only check what is reported, if the community doesn't feel like reporting this, then what we can do is limited in scope.

or your continued "hide-it-under-the-rug" mentality of this blatantly obvious problem
If this is the first time you've mentioned this problem in the open, are we really hiding it under the rug? :)
 

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Do what FACE does and just do text to speech.
Nah, that's even worse sounding than my voice. I'd sooner use my real voice. TTS is nails on chalkboard.

I agree to an extent though, the spam on here is at horrible levels, i'd report some of it if I knew it would make a difference. One of my threads got hi-jacked and spammed to death so I had it deleted rather than keep that monstrosity up when no one was gonna take it seriously, i'd rather my threads die naturally than be spammed to death.
Below is a link to thread I made back in May. Look at home most of the responses are actually well though out.

https://incels.is/threads/got-the-gay-question-again-from-my-mother-last-weekend-do-any-of-you-guys-get-asked-this.48354/

Like I state below man, report. I do it all the time. BE the change you want to see. I know snitching is especially frowned upon in black culture so you may have more to overcome, but just fucking do it. If we want things to change, we have to report. I like you have had a thread or two completely lost to spammers. When I take my time and effort to post something actually worth reading, people shit on it. I understand. I will take 500 million people like you who fundamentally disagree with me to even one worthless spammer who agrees with me.

And to be honest, the spam is what many users here consider "entertaining" and "funny". Tellem-T did nothing but spam and say dumb shit, but that's funny to people somehow, same with a lot of the other high post count users. Simply replying with :soy: is the peak of comedy round' these here parts. It's part of the incels.is forum culture, and I can't lie and say I don't make low effort shitposts sometimes too.
This is because a large percentage of this community comes from Reddit. I am one of the few that come from imageboards, which is a much better place to be (even considering the current state of 4cuck). If you wanna do it in off-topic, OK whatever I guess, but I'd like to have discourse with people here. I'm fine with meme culture, but memes are not discussion. Meme on the soycord or in the chat.

You should see how bad looksmax is. I rage quit that fucking site it's so bad with spam and low effort (not to mention chads, braggarts, and bluepills rampant).

We do warn people for low effort threads. Low effort posts are a different matter, and we only warn those that are made repeatedly or blatant shiposts. Everyone responds with some low effort every once in a while.
And, we are less than a dozen mods. We can only check what is reported, if the community doesn't feel like reporting this, then what we can do is limited in scope.
The community doesn't report because spamming is encouraged by the lack of protections posting puts on it. Refer to my thread here: https://incels.is/threads/2-minor-suggestions.69321/ on how to solve the spamming issue PRE-emtimvely to a certain extent. AT WORSE, it sets a healthy precedent. Anything that makes it though then is strictly and unequivocally evasion, therefor more easily reported.

Refer to the thread I link to @Bronzehawkattack above. Look at the GREAT responses I get. ALL threads in the discussion forum should be this well done.

If you want, and are willing to do accept my spamming of the report box, I will report EVERY spam post I see without hesitating AND I can share my list of blacked spammers who significantly lower the quality of this forum. I don't want to come off that way, but I will if you are willing to accept it. If you really want it done, I can do it. I care too much about this place to let it be destroyed by bored spamming kids on the bus riding home from school.

As an alternate, drastic solution, make me a janitor. I could clean this shit up myself instantly. I HATE being in charge and being in a position of power. I have no interest in moderating. But I want this forum cleaned up... I care too much. Consider this my official public janitor application.

Look, I understand that if there's a few threads in the "off-topic" section that are more geared towards low effort. I participate in those too. But when I go to the discussion subsection ans worthless posts like the one I respond to below, I lose faith in the forum and lose interest in being here. I am more than fine with only enforcing the spam/low-effort rule in the "discussion" section only.

If this is the first time you've mentioned this problem in the open, are we really hiding it under the rug? :)
This is the third MAJOR post I've made regarding this. I even made a proper thread in the feedback section before. I have talked to @retarded_dumbshit privately on the matter. This shouldn't be news, but I apologize if it is. Put it on the docket.

Like a well written novel, the spam comes in to break up the intelligent discourse. Mods, fix this please.
 

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tl;dr at the end.

Over this last year the site has been online, I've read and heard many times that our rules are incorrect, or that they allow "fakecels" in, or that they could be made better. I intent to explain the reasoning behind each and show why they are our best option instead of more idealistic alternatives.

The current rules are as such:
  • Incel (Allowed): Person who is not in a relationship nor has had sex in a significant amount of time, despite numerous attempts.
  • Blackpilled (Conditional): Person who believes in / wishes to learn about the Blackpill.
  • Female (Not Allowed): Banned on sight, no exceptions.
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1 - Female (Not Allowed)

Just like you wouldn't let in non-veterans in war veteran meetings, or non-highschool students in highschool student meetings, it makes little sense to let in females into an environment where males are the ones who are unable to find relationships. In other words, where incels are males.
The belief that females can be incel - which is not unreasonable if you're thinking about the bottom percentile of females in terms of appearence, but some would argue even then - let me remind you that /r/femcels ("female incels") has so many men asking the girls out on dates that they made a rule forbidding it. This goes to show that even those females who believe are extremely unnatractive and un-dateable keep getting requests from males over and over.

This is only one reasoning behind the rule however. Females also tend to repeat the same platitudes that every person who comes into contact with incels makes, due to the simple fact that they are unable to empathise with incels, unable to understand their situations, or unable to believe incels are a real thing. There are also many, albeit not all, who simply crave attention or "beta orbiters", and thus will try to cause as much commotion as possible to get people to notice them.

For those females who are "genuinly curious" as they usually state, the FAQ already explains everything that we've been asked regarding incels, and they can email us if there are any more questions, at which point I update the FAQ. Therefore, there is no need for them to join to understand incels.

And yet, the amount of females who try to register stating that if they aren't let in we would be commiting a grave mistake and/or becoming an echo chamber where different opinions are not allowed is staggering. I genuinly believe they simply do not take the time to think for a minute the kind of both arrogance and ignorance they display.

People who claim we do not allow females due to mysogyny simply crave drama. Sensationalistic media has been guilty of this, as well as ignorant/bullying subreddits like inceltears.

2 - Incel (Allowed)

Before touching the blackpilled rule I want to clarify the definition of incel.

To start with, being incel and believing in the Blackpill are two separate things. While it is true that being incel generally carries an eventual belief in the Blackpill, one can believe and not be incel and viceversa, they are not mutually inclusive. Therefore, the definition of incel must not include the Blackpill in it.

Next, we come across the current definiton:

Person who is not in a relationship nor has had sex in a significant amount of time, despite numerous attempts

This definition has been the one used since /r/incels started years ago, except we decided to tweak it to include both relationships and sex, and changed it from "6 months" to "a significant amount of time".

Some people complain this allows "fakecels", since, for example, a person could have a girlfriend, and after a breakup he might feel lazy or depressed and find himself claiming to be incel after just a few weeks of the situation.

These fakecel claims are incorrect, as to be incel there must be an involuntary (IN-cel) situation. That is to say, the person must have tried repeatedly to enter a relationship again during this significant amount of time. "But he was depressed and/or lazy!", you may say; in this case the person is volcel, as there was no desire to be in a relationship, therefore him being not an involuntary celibate but a voluntary one.

The claims continue, however. Some say that a person can't be incel if he has had sex at any point in his life.
A simple case to show why this is incorrect would be a person who was very popular with the girls until an accident leaves him massively disfigured and paraplegic, which is enough to show that there are cases where having sex and being incel are not mutually exclusive.

Saying that we should not allow people who have had sex regardless because we would be letting in more "fakecels" than legitimate cases like the above is selfish and engages in elitism: No incel is better than other, and if there are the person from the example would now be more incel than most. Any actual fakecels are banned the moment it is known so, and for the most part shouldn't be proficient enough to lie their way through registration. Those who complain about these supposed fakecels in the forum tend to be bitter or selfish as they have no real proof about it, and instead of sending such information to the mods so the "fakecel" is banned, decide instead to give the user more attention by attacking them with baseless or incomplete claims.

With all of this in mind, the current definition allows all incels entry to the site regardless of situation, as long as the person has legitimately tried to be in a relationship for a significant amount of time but was unable to.
Remember that the fact the term "truecel" exists (a person who has never had sex nor kissed a girl in his life) is proof enough that "incel" should not be fully strict in its definition.

As for sites who want only "truecels"; they are making an inextricable mistake. They are 1) enouraging people to lie and pretend just to be part of the group, as actual truecels are rare and not better nor worse than the average incel, 2) encouraging tribalism, a childlike attitude, and 3) shooting themselves in the foot, as like I've already explained above there can be truecels in the strict definition of the word who once were attractive or popular until their situation changed. Regardless, more incel sites is always a good thing, and thus people are encouraged to create their own with their own version of rules, we don't claim to be the best forum by any means.

3 - Blackpilled (Conditional)

The final part is the blackpilled rule. Why allow those who just believe in the blackpill?

For one, inceldom is not a movement, yet it is hard to claim that being blackpilled isn't a development that happens to most incels. As such, spreading the blackpill (which is scientific facts at the end of the day and not just merely an ideology) is a positive development for us. Allowing those who know or wish to know more about the blackpill assures that this in turn spreads and more people become aware of it, bringing more incels in awareness to their own situation, and slowly making society accept the facts that we all know regarding romantic and sexual behavior.

The most important part of this rule however is the conditional in blue: Any blackpilled person who wishes to stay in the forum must be indistinguishable from an incel (not to mention they must have passed the registration form). Thus, for all intents and purposes the person is an incel in here. The moment he breaks the rule of bragging (which is clarified in this site as talking about any romantic or sexual situation whatsover) the person gets banned permanently, no if's or but's.

To put into perspective what would happen if the rule wasn't here, let's make an example:
Whogivesafuk was a user who was very beloved by the community here. He posted what were arguably very blackpilled threads and made friends. Eventually it came to light that he was in a relationship, and has since been permanently banned.

The question is: Weren't those months of quality threads and enjoyment of the community worth it regardless of the background of the person, because the user follows the rules? The moment it came to light he didn't belong, he was banned, no questions asked.

In a forum which didn't allow blackpilled users the situation would have been the exact same, except the person would have been encouraged to pretend and lie even more simply to create an image of belonging, to the point that perhaps it would have never been known he was in a relationship. And if the information had come out that he was in a relationship, everyone would freak out and start looking left and right, not knowing who else could be lying.

Thus, not having the blackpiled rule seems foolish and encourages paranoia. The idealism of making a forum just for incels is unrealistic, while the pragmatism of making it for people who can keep their mouth shut and learn to follow the practices of the place is both welcoming and fair. Sites who try to be "just for incels/truecels" may have a noble goal, but have failed before starting.

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These are my opinions and the reasoning I've given when questioned about the rules. You may understandably disagree and as such my inbox is always open to discussion.

tl;dr: The rules were made with strict reasoning behind them and have been this way since /r/incels started for a reason. If you disagree feel free to either create your own alternative site, which we encourage, or PM a mod with suggestions.
As @Mainländer said, it would not make sense to label people who have been with escorts as fakecels. With that definition, incels do not exist, as there will always be a girl so desperate as to be with any man for money.
:yes::yes::yes::yes:
Considering escortcels fakecels is the same as saying everyone here is a volcel, since anyone can pay a prostitute for sex.
Exactly, it's something anybody can do . Doesn't make you less incel than someone who doesn't like it.
 

Zaetheus

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Nah, that's even worse sounding than my voice. I'd sooner use my real voice. TTS is nails on chalkboard.



Below is a link to thread I made back in May. Look at home most of the responses are actually well though out.

https://incels.is/threads/got-the-gay-question-again-from-my-mother-last-weekend-do-any-of-you-guys-get-asked-this.48354/

Like I state below man, report. I do it all the time. BE the change you want to see. I know snitching is especially frowned upon in black culture so you may have more to overcome, but just fucking do it. If we want things to change, we have to report. I like you have had a thread or two completely lost to spammers. When I take my time and effort to post something actually worth reading, people shit on it. I understand. I will take 500 million people like you who fundamentally disagree with me to even one worthless spammer who agrees with me.



This is because a large percentage of this community comes from Reddit. I am one of the few that come from imageboards, which is a much better place to be (even considering the current state of 4cuck). If you wanna do it in off-topic, OK whatever I guess, but I'd like to have discourse with people here. I'm fine with meme culture, but memes are not discussion. Meme on the soycord or in the chat.

You should see how bad looksmax is. I rage quit that fucking site it's so bad with spam and low effort (not to mention chads, braggarts, and bluepills rampant).



The community doesn't report because spamming is encouraged by the lack of protections posting puts on it. Refer to my thread here: https://incels.is/threads/2-minor-suggestions.69321/ on how to solve the spamming issue PRE-emtimvely to a certain extent. AT WORSE, it sets a healthy precedent. Anything that makes it though then is strictly and unequivocally evasion, therefor more easily reported.

Refer to the thread I link to @Bronzehawkattack above. Look at the GREAT responses I get. ALL threads in the discussion forum should be this well done.

If you want, and are willing to do accept my spamming of the report box, I will report EVERY spam post I see without hesitating AND I can share my list of blacked spammers who significantly lower the quality of this forum. I don't want to come off that way, but I will if you are willing to accept it. If you really want it done, I can do it. I care too much about this place to let it be destroyed by bored spamming kids on the bus riding home from school.

As an alternate, drastic solution, make me a janitor. I could clean this shit up myself instantly. I HATE being in charge and being in a position of power. I have no interest in moderating. But I want this forum cleaned up... I care too much. Consider this my official public janitor application.

Look, I understand that if there's a few threads in the "off-topic" section that are more geared towards low effort. I participate in those too. But when I go to the discussion subsection ans worthless posts like the one I respond to below, I lose faith in the forum and lose interest in being here. I am more than fine with only enforcing the spam/low-effort rule in the "discussion" section only.


This is the third MAJOR post I've made regarding this. I even made a proper thread in the feedback section before. I have talked to @retarded_dumbshit privately on the matter. This shouldn't be news, but I apologize if it is. Put it on the docket.


Like a well written novel, the spam comes in to break up the intelligent discourse. Mods, fix this please.
Pseudo intellectuals like yourself are a delightful bunch .
 

Leucosticte

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Sites who try to be "just for incels/truecels" may have a noble goal, but have failed before starting.
I wonder why that is. Wasn't there a subreddit at one time, r/truecels? Did that succeed in being an active truecel-only sub?
 

RageAgainstTDL

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Whiteknighting about how sexually developed and most likely sexually active foids are little children who have to be protected from the evil "pedos". Saying that a guy even just expressing his desires about fucking such girls must be banned/jailed/killed/whatever.
In my opinion, just like people should be free to talk about how they find girls that age attractive and it is normal for a man, people should also be free to disagree and voice their opinions if they truly believe it. Most of the time, someone who calls 16 year old girls "children" and attacks a man for finding one sexually attractive is likely an infiltrator and their saying so will just help to expose them. Normal men generally don't see things this way or talk like that.

But just like there are people who are seriously actual pedophiles (ie. attracted primarily to small children), we have to expect that there are also men who are attracted primarily to older women. If there weren't, there would be no MILF genre of porn or cougars. Someone who is genuinely most attracted to 30-40 year old women might actually find a 16 year old girl a "child" or unattractive genuinely. I think this is likely rare. But I think the freedom of discussion has to go both ways. We can't just make a blanket assumption.

I think these things sort themselves out in the end. eg. @Watac was almost certainly an infiltrator and "he" has been banned. Let people talk I say, and we can generally sort them out once it's obvious. Unless talking about something is directly criminal (eg. talking about how you are going to rape/kill/etc.) or it is directly blatantly contrary to the tenants of the basic blackpill/rules (eg. cherrypicking a photo to prove "looks don't matter), more open speech is better than too aggressive ideological bannings and deletions.

As another example, I am a strong proponent of the racepill. I think it is one of the best proven scientifically valid aspects of the blackpill. But I don't think people should automatically be banned or warned just for disagreeing, as long as they genuinely disagree, and aren't just disagreeing to troll. There are few absolute truths in life, and a degree of open discussion is important in any zone like this where we're trying to figure out what is truth.
 

Mainländer

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In my opinion, just like people should be free to talk about how they find girls that age attractive and it is normal for a man, people should also be free to disagree and voice their opinions if they truly believe it. Most of the time, someone who calls 16 year old girls "children" and attacks a man for finding one sexually attractive is likely an infiltrator and their saying so will just help to expose them. Normal men generally don't see things this way or talk like that.

But just like there are people who are seriously actual pedophiles (ie. attracted primarily to small children), we have to expect that there are also men who are attracted primarily to older women. If there weren't, there would be no MILF genre of porn or cougars. Someone who is genuinely most attracted to 30-40 year old women might actually find a 16 year old girl a "child" or unattractive genuinely. I think this is likely rare. But I think the freedom of discussion has to go both ways. We can't just make a blanket assumption.

I think these things sort themselves out in the end. eg. @Watac was almost certainly an infiltrator and "he" has been banned. Let people talk I say, and we can generally sort them out once it's obvious. Unless talking about something is directly criminal (eg. talking about how you are going to rape/kill/etc.) or it is directly blatantly contrary to the tenants of the basic blackpill/rules (eg. cherrypicking a photo to prove "looks don't matter), more open speech is better than too aggressive ideological bannings and deletions.

As another example, I am a strong proponent of the racepill. I think it is one of the best proven scientifically valid aspects of the blackpill. But I don't think people should automatically be banned or warned just for disagreeing, as long as they genuinely disagree, and aren't just disagreeing to troll. There are few absolute truths in life, and a degree of open discussion is important in any zone like this where we're trying to figure out what is truth.
Reasonable as always. I agree, not everyone is obliged to find underage girls attractive of course, but what annoys me is seeing feminist male-sexuality-shaming rhetoric here of all places ("hurr, fuck off you degenerated pedo who likes 15 yos!").

As for criminal stuff (i.e. "I plan on fucking 13 yos"; "I have CP", etc) of course it should be banned because it causes legal and server problems to the forum.

Opposition to actual child rape is also natural, even I would do it (as I have already).
 

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I questioned the rules of the site (in the feedback section) and my thread was deleted and I was told to talk directly to the administrator. I don't want to talk to the administrator, I want peoples' opinions.

I'll bring it up briefly, let's see if I will be banned: this site has changed very quickly. Those in charge got scared and now are super paranoid about anything controversial. We can't talk about illegal things. Everything is fucking illegal. Apparently this paragraph is illegal since it'll be deleted.
 

ICanOnlyFapToBDSM

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semantics is fake-intellectual bullshit. the whole concept "incel" and "volcel" is complete bullshit. You don't have to pluck your eyebrows and hit on every girl you see to qualify for incel status, it's an inherent state of being. If a nigger robs you at gun point you don't "voluntarily" give him money you do so under duress. If you work at McDonalds you aren't "voluntarily" poor because you show up to work every day instead of starting a business.

"incel" and "volcel" are low iq terms, the real terms should be "unintentionally celibate" and "intentionally celibate" because at the end of the day that's what really matters.

IF you can get sex you can and will because it's NORMAL. There are no millionaires who live in shacks and eat crackers and water, even the most frugal millionaires make big purchases because they CAN. I think the original definition of Incel being a 30 year old failed PUA loser is obsolete.
 
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_incelinside

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As for sites who want only "truecels"; they are making an inextricable mistake. .
I disagree with sites exclusively for incels/truecels being pointless, truecels.org was quite good when it started though had it not failed for reasons unrelated to its main purpose/ruleset I believe it would have been successful. I think the best solution is the existence of both a general blackpiled community where non incels are allowed and a seperate incel only community. What I define as 'incel only' is celibate for a long time + low SMV/looks. This will solve the problem of incels looking exclusively for a community of other low smv men with experiences they can relate to.
 
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I disagree with sites exclusively for incels/truecels being pointless, truecels.org was quite good when it started though had it not failed for reasons unrelated to its main purpose/ruleset I believe it would have been successful.
That's quite alright. My point was that I do not see a logic in saying that a site is only for truecels, because truecel is subjective and the definition of even incel is open to discussion, therefore, you'll have people who do not conform to the site definition of truecel almost from day one.

I questioned the rules of the site (in the feedback section) and my thread was deleted and I was told to talk directly to the administrator. I don't want to talk to the administrator, I want peoples' opinions.
That doesn't go in the feedback subforum, and this is a comment that doesn't belong in this thread. Let's leave it there.

"incel" and "volcel" are low iq terms, the real terms should be "unintentionally celibate" and "intentionally celibate" because at the end of the day that's what really matters.
That's an excelent point, albeit one that the community will probably never accept.
 

Anger

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I have a suggestion to share:

Please be more strict about those so called ´´blackpilled normies´´, i think it´s not a good idead to let them post here since i can garantee you that at least 75% of these people are chads larping as blackpilled normies to take advantage and bra about their sexual experiences, for i would ban them on sight since they´re not by definition part of this group.
 

SergeantIncel

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I have a suggestion to share:

Please be more strict about those so called ´´blackpilled normies´´, i think it´s not a good idead to let them post here since i can garantee you that at least 75% of these people are chads larping as blackpilled normies to take advantage and bra about their sexual experiences, for i would ban them on sight since they´re not by definition part of this group.
Your 75% was pulled out of the air, and I made a full thread just to explain why I think the rule needs to stay in place.
My conclusion in this thread was:
Thus, not having the blackpiled rule seems foolish and encourages paranoia. The idealism of making a forum just for incels is unrealistic, while the pragmatism of making it for people who can keep their mouth shut and learn to follow the practices of the place is both welcoming and fair.
 

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great users??? did you even see the sort of content they'd posted? one of them literally admitted to being a LARPing troll and changed his persona from "NEET gymcel" to "slayer with loads of tinder matches" after his ban, even bragging about his matches in incel discord servers, and the other was never anything more than a shitposter, which are dime a dozen.
This tbh, I didn't see one memorable good poster in that list
Nah, that's even worse sounding than my voice. I'd sooner use my real voice. TTS is nails on chalkboard.
Check out some of my videos, TTS has come a long way over the years, a lot of voices sound realistic, and you can manipulate them to give voice inflections, etc.
 
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Define cuck
A man who is desperate for acceptance, approval, and affection from women. This desperation has led to the compromise of his beliefs and values, the desecration of his dignity and self-worth, and his inability to stand up for himself and what he deserves as a human being, eg. loyalty, fidelity, and honesty in a romantic relationship.
 

catfishman23

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That's an actual rule and not who we let in. The title of this thread was more catchy :feelshehe:


I try not to sticky my own stuff unless absolutely necessary.
well i honestly think its important since people cant seem to understand and complain
 

Incellectual

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This is a highly controversial opinion but, to me, there's hardly any difference between a good-looking user who has sex on a regular basis and/or a relationship and one who doesn't. The blackpill proves that if you're good-looking, you are able to get sex. Those who are good-looking and don't are just retards wasting their looks, which, to me, is just as disturbing as fakecels.

That said, as much as I'm disturbed at some male-model-looking guy posting here, I'm not for banning them because some are good users and I agree that the blackpill is a movement. Just talking about my feelings here.
I'd also like to add that being ugly effects you in more ways than just your sex life. So even if you are good looking and HAVE never gotten laid and WILL never get laid your life will still be x100 easier than an ugly truecel.
 

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Just wanted to say thank you to all the mods and janitors for keeping the normalfaggot hordes at bay.
 

IntolerantSocialist

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The only reason I see bragging is bad because it makes truecels feel bad, so i can understand that
 

SergeantIncel

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Free @Fontaine he is a HIGH IQ nigga, you gave @Insalsa a 2nd chance and he is a low effort spammer. @Fontaine always posts long ass paragraphs about society and the blackpill. He deserves a 2nd chance @SergeantIncel
We will never, ever, unban a user because someone else asks us to. If anything, it works against them.

As for Fontaine: He literally made a post called "I just ascended" and when asked if he was trolling he said no. Think about what you're asking us to do, what kind of userbase do you want here?

Lastly, this is not the ban discussion megathread. Post there if you want to discuss these things please.
 

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