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Theory Real Gender Studies 101 - The Paleolithic

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From around 2 millions years ago to 10 000 years ago, humans have led roughly the same lifestyle: hunting and gathering. Given the length of time we have lived that way, it is quite clear that it is that lifestyle that determined how we evolved. All of our instincts were shaped by this period. By comparison, the 10 000 years down to the present (only 300 generations) could only have a minimal impact on our biological nature.

During the paleolithic (before 10 000 years BP) Men and Women had distinct food procurement strategies. Men hunted, women gathered (mostly plant foods but also eggs, edible insects, etc).

Gathering is predictable. It yields food items that are not very nutritious, but it does so reliably,

Hunting is random. Sometimes hunters will come back to camp with a large prey; sometimes with a few small prey; quite often with nothing at all. However, meat is highly nutritious; far more so than anything the women can gather. Each time a large prey is caught, there will be e feast at the camp. Children will get a growth boost from the protein and the other nutrients contained in the meat; and everyone will get to stock-up on fat for leaner days.

The bottom line is:

Women pursued a low-risk/low-return food gathering strategy, while men pursued a high-risk/high-return one.

The same applies to sexual strategies. The dominant male gets to have sex with a large number of females but he must fight other males (high-risk/high-return). By contrast, nearly all females are likely to have sex with a small number of partners (successive dominant males) without having to fight for it (low-risk/low-return).

Let us now have a look at a curve that can give us an idea of the social utility of men and women in a paleolithic society. The curve below shows the average daily amount of kilo-calories procured by men and women when individuals are ranked from best performers (on the left) to worst performers (on the right)
Calories

The few best hunters kill almost all prey while most men never kill any. By contrast, nearly all women are able to gather a decent amount of food.

What follows from this is clear: In a paleolithic context, some men are superior to all women while all women are superior to the majority of men.

This is not surprising. This kind of curve will appear each time a low-risk/low-return strategy is compared to a high-risk/high-return one.

In the paleolithic, this probably did not have much of a social impact. Back then, there were only two social strata

1) The dominant male, who ranks above everyone
2) Everyone else, males and females, who are on a roughly equal footing.

This all changed with the advent of farming, 10 000 years ago (we will talk about that in the next installment)

What is striking is that the "social utility" curve above is very similar to the success rates of men and women today on Tinder, etc.

In any case, one thing remains. Women's brains are had-wired to pursue low-risk/low-return strategies, while men's are focused on high-risk/high-return ones.

We have to live with the consequences.
 
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Women's brains are had-wired to pursue low-risk/low-return strategies, while men's are focused on high-risk/high-return ones.
Most women will risk all to get Chad while most men would chose Becky to play it safe not to get cheated imo.
 
Most women will risk all to get Chad while most men would chose Becky to play it safe not to get cheated imo.
Men never "choose" Becky. Becky chooses them (for betabuxxing purposes) and they play along.

Furthermore, women do not "risk" anything to get Chad. They just stand there looking pretty
 
Men never "choose" Becky. Becky chooses them (for betabuxxing purposes) and they play along.

Furthermore, women do not "risk" anything to get Chad. They just stand there looking pretty
Isnt dating a violent guy and going to "exotic" places and night clubs a risky behavior for females? Also making babies with Chads which have high chance of Chad running away?
 
Isnt dating a violent guy and going to "exotic" places and night clubs a risky behavior for females? Also making babies with Chads which have high chance of Chad running away?
None of this is really risky when your income is not at stake. With female-favoring welfare, it isn't.
 
How does this applies in fairly equal societies in regards to the distribution of sex? i.e. traditional monogamous societies.
 
None of this is really risky when your income is not at stake. With female-favoring welfare, it isn't.
You compared the survival with modern sex selection so it is.
Also cheating their husbands, most violent crimes against females are by their partners because of breakup/cheating. Whoring till 35 also lowers their chance to find decent husband but they are doing it anyway, while most men would pick young girl to shape her into a wife to play it safe.
 
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How does this applies in fairly equal societies in regards to the distribution of sex? i.e. traditional monogamous societies.
I will be addressing this when I deal with the advent of farming.
 
I will be addressing this when I deal with the advent of farming.
Thank you. I´m looking forward to it. It´s important to make a history of the distribution of sex.
 
You compared the survival with modern sex selection so it is. Also cheating their husbands, most violent crimes against females are by their partners because of breakup/cheating.
Yes, but the probability is minuscule. It is too small to be factored in psychologically
Thank you. I´m looking forward to it. It´s important to make a history of the distribution of sex.
Yes. It should have been done long ago. Fucking universities are not doing their jobs
 
The situation is quite different today. There are men who win everything but their social utility is lower that the social utility of low status men. High status men do not produce anything, they just take resources produced by lower status men.

What is the social utility of a football player, lawyer, politician, speculator, singer or actor ? :forcedsmile:
 
The situation is quite different today. There are men who win everything but their social utility is lower that the social utility of low status men. High status men do not produce anything, they just take resources produced by lower status men.

What is the social utility of a football player, lawyer, politician, speculator, singer or actor ? :forcedsmile:
Absolutely. But we have to go through many different steps in the history of culture before we want to be able to explain why that is. Next time we will be dealing with farming and monogamy
 
The few best hunters kill almost all prey while most men never kill any
Yes but they can still gather things too, don't forget that, not to mention that they can do a plethora of other useful activities like scouting, fighting, inventing etc....

This thread smells of Chad worship. :feelshaha: The argument is best hunters = chads, therefore it is logical that foids want to suck their dicks and non-chads = useless.

This is bullshit tough. Not only are the non-chads not useless since they can do other activities, but it still needs to be proven that good looks = good hunters or even that good looks = good atlethes. :feelshaha: Many Chads do nothing but smoke weed every fucking day and eat pizza and aren't atlethic at all and still slay because of good looks. :feelshaha:
 
Men never "choose" Becky. Becky chooses them (for betabuxxing purposes) and they play along.

Furthermore, women do not "risk" anything to get Chad. They just stand there looking pretty
of course , makes sense. fair point.
 
Yes but they can still gather things too, don't forget that, not to mention that they can do a plethora of other useful activities like scouting, fighting, inventing etc....
That will come later. For the moment, we are in the paleolithic. All men go to the hunt yet only a few catch anything

This thread smells of Chad worship. :feelshaha: The argument is best hunters = chads, therefore it is logical that foids want to suck their dicks and non-chads = useless.
Hold your horses. Wait for the next installment.
 
The few best hunters kill almost all prey while most men never kill any. By contrast, nearly all women are able to gather a decent amount of food.
what. f*ids starved by themselves meanwhile catching prey was a group effort by men
some men are superior to all women while all women are superior to the majority of men.
blatantly false
 
Most women will risk all to get Chad while most men would chose Becky to play it safe not to get cheated imo.
Cope. Most men would take a Becky because is what they can afford.
 
Women's brains are had-wired to pursue low-risk/low-return strategies, while men's are focused on high-risk/high-return ones.

this is obvious, isn't it? never seen women being pioneers, discoverers, explorers, et cetera. all that takes risk-taking.
 
Furthermore, women do not "risk" anything to get Chad. They just stand there looking pretty
Women may fight for Chad though. Like, literally.
 
Isn't it obvious that 99.9 % of foids are perfectly happy to wait in line for Chad?
I'm just saying sometimes they fight over Chads.
 
The neolithic era was one dominated by men, we developed the means and harvested the crops.
Read the next thread:
 
If we still play by those rules then we can just kill chads and the risk will be a lot lower for non chads.
What follows from this is clear: In a paleolithic context, some men are superior to all women while all women are superior to the majority of men.
This is cope. Men were always superior to rosties. Even now they need cucked laws and brainwashing to keep men down. Foids are useless these days except for potentially poppingout babies, if all their looksmatches became neets the economy would collapse
 
K9Otaku said:
What follows from this is clear: In a paleolithic context, some men are superior to all women while all women are superior to the majority of men.

This is cope. Men were always superior to rosties. Even now they need cucked laws and brainwashing to keep men down. Foids are useless these days except for potentially poppingout babies, if all their looksmatches became neets the economy would collapse
You cannot reject that if you want to understand the situation we are in.

In the Neolithic, what I have written above was the case.

Most women contributed more food than the majority of men did. And food was the most important thing there was.

This kind of "winner takes all" situation is built into men's instinctual proclivities for high-risk/high-return strategies (both in sexual and in food-gathering behaviors).

If we deny this, we are simply deluding ourselves.

However, we do not need to be content with our instincts alone. Culture is the ability we have to suppress and bend our instincts in order to adopt behaviors which are not dictated by them. This is what we did in the Neolithic. We struck a bargain with the alpha so that he would allow us betas one woman each. Then we stuck to this deal for a very long time. Women were not the major driving force behind this. It was a deal between men.

If we want to get out of our current dead-end, this is the only solution a new sexual distribution deal between men.
 
If we want to get out of our current dead-end, this is the only solution a new sexual distribution deal between men
If we got rid of cucks this would happen overnight.
 
If we got rid of cucks this would happen overnight.
We will have to kill them. This is probably what happened in the Neolithic when these men-only societies formed
 
We will have to kill them. This is probably what happened in the Neolithic when these men-only societies formed
If it comes down to that then it's what we have to do to preserve civilization. Cucks have no souls anyway so they are better off dead than continuing to be a cancer to mankind.
 
If it comes down to that then it's what we have to do to preserve civilization. Cucks have no souls anyway so they are better off dead than continuing to be a cancer to mankind.
Yes
 
This essay seems to have several mistakes.

First is human males most of the time arent strong enough to hunt one big animal by themselvs, preys bigger than birds were most of the time was team play, with a collab of males, so its not a competition if the tribe doesnt have different groups that dont hunt together.

Second is the unironically sexist assumption that males only hunted while females gathered berries, this also wouldnt make sense if hunts had low success rate, what is logical is whole tribe (including males) gathering foods in most of the time, if its easy enough to give solid returns to even the worst female in the tribe.

Although we have to look recent primitive tribes to get more trustable information
 
This essay seems to have several mistakes.

First is human males most of the time arent strong enough to hunt one big animal by themselvs, preys bigger than birds were most of the time was team play, with a collab of males, so its not a competition if the tribe doesnt have different groups that dont hunt together.

Second is the unironically sexist assumption that males only hunted while females gathered berries, this also wouldnt make sense if hunts had low success rate, what is logical is whole tribe (including males) gathering foods in most of the time, if its easy enough to give solid returns to even the worst female in the tribe.

Although we have to look recent primitive tribes to get more trustable information
The material I used to write the OP comes from standard manuals in Ethnology and Archeology. All this is quite well established yet not widely known.

One has to realize that the basis of the Paleolithic HG lifestyle is purely instinctual. It was set up over a period of 2 million years, at a time when humanity did not possess language and even less what we can call "culture". Also, there is no authority who can decide who does what. Individuals just do what their instinctual proclivities pushes them to.

From an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense to have a simple principle like: "men hunt while women gather". It is simple to hardwire it in the brain and does not require fancy mental calculation. Hunting is a probabilistic activity. If every man hunts, indeed, only the top performers will catch anything, either alone or in small groups (large scale collective hunting was exceptional and is a comparatively late phenomenon). But it is impossible to know who will be the top performers in advance and, besides, those will change week to week, month to month, year to year. So it is simpler to just have every man hunt even if most never catch anything.

Of course, it would be "better" to have an organization that identifies the best hunters, send these on the hunt and give other tasks to the rest. But no organization did exist back then. Culture did not reach that stage until well into the Neolithic.

Yet "men hunt while women gather" is effective enough to be a viable adaptation. It enables the species that adopts it to benefit both from a LR/LR food procurement strategy and a HR/HR one at the same time. No animal species does that, even among primates, except humans. Crude as it seems to us, it represented a huge leap forward and it is one of the reasons of our evolutionary success.

Of course, then mankind developed language, and then culture, and this is what enabled us to start massively altering our behavior from the Neolithic onward. However, before examining that (see thread RGS 102) it is imperative to have correct appreciation of the Paleolithic baseline.
 
Isn't it lectured in Evolutionary Psychology? I recall of reading this somewhere
 
Isn't it lectured in Evolutionary Psychology? I recall of reading this somewhere
Yes, to an extent. But current teaching in Universities is heavily biased by feminism. You have to read between the lines.
 
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The material I used to write the OP comes from standard manuals in Ethnology and Archeology. All this is quite well established yet not widely known.

One has to realize that the basis of the Paleolithic HG lifestyle is purely instinctual. It was set up over a period of 2 million years, at a time when humanity did not possess language and even less what we can call "culture". Also, there is no authority who can decide who does what. Individuals just do what their instinctual proclivities pushes them to.

From an evolutionary standpoint it makes sense to have a simple principle like: "men hunt while women gather". It is simple to hardwire it in the brain and does not require fancy mental calculation. Hunting is a probabilistic activity. If every man hunts, indeed, only the top performers will catch anything, either alone or in small groups (large scale collective hunting was exceptional and is a comparatively late phenomenon). But it is impossible to know who will be the top performers in advance and, besides, those will change week to week, month to month, year to year. So it is simpler to just have every man hunt even if most never catch anything.

Of course, it would be "better" to have an organization that identifies the best hunters, send these on the hunt and give other tasks to the rest. But no organization did exist back then. Culture did not reach that stage until well into the Neolithic.

Yet "men hunt while women gather" is effective enough to be a viable adaptation. It enables the species that adopts it to benefit both from a LR/LR food procurement strategy and a HR/HR one at the same time. No animal species does that, even among primates, except humans. Crude as it seems to us, it represented a huge leap forward and it is one of the reasons of our evolutionary success.

Of course, then mankind developed language, and then culture, and this is what enabled us to start massively altering our behavior from the Neolithic onward. However, before examining that (see thread RGS 102) it is imperative to have correct appreciation of the Paleolithic baseline.
There is no need for some organization to relocate to unsuccesfull male hunters to gathering.

Its such a simple concept many mammals can do it without being told, if you cant find food from risky hunting, you can simply go for gathering like half of the tribe.

I dont care about standard manuals, it just doesnt make sense for a guy a to go "well it turns out i cant hunt deers, just wont do shit than", jeez assumptions about hunter gatherers have no coherent logic.
 
There is no need for some organization to relocate to unsuccesfull male hunters to gathering.

Its such a simple concept many mammals can do it without being told, if you cant find food from risky hunting, you can simply go for gathering like half of the tribe.

I dont care about standard manuals, it just doesnt make sense for a guy a to go "well it turns out i cant hunt deers, just wont do shit than", jeez assumptions about hunter gatherers have no coherent logic.
"Evo psych" is an incredibly flawed "science." :feelshaha:
 
Indeed, but even psychology itself has its problems.
Evo psych is much worse, because it attempts to assess the psychology of people who have been dead for tens of thousands of years, and who left no written records :feelshaha: Evo psych is a junk science to its core.
 
There is no need for some organization to relocate to unsuccesfull male hunters to gathering.
There is

Its such a simple concept many mammals can do it without being told, if you cant find food from risky hunting, you can simply go for gathering like half of the tribe.
Nope. If unsuccessful males start to decide this on their own, soon there will not be enough males trying to hunt

This is because hunting is probablilistic. It is normal not to catch anything for a few days, even for a good hunter. So when do you decide when you are "not catching anything"? After 10 days, 15 days, one month? There is no good answer.

Therefore men had a simple instincts: "men hunt, regardless of the results"

I dont care about standard manuals, it just doesnt make sense for a guy a to go "well it turns out i cant hunt deers, just wont do shit than", jeez assumptions about hunter gatherers have no coherent logic.
You are just unable to put yourself in their shoes. Again, it is not a simple decision abandoning a HR/HR strategy. Where do you decide the threshold probability lies? Answering this kind of question is a challenge even for modern corporations and governments.

Most of the time, there is no good answer because the parameters are too complex. An arbitrary decision must be made. In the paleolithic it was : "men hunt"
 
There is


Nope. If unsuccessful males start to decide this on their own, soon there will not be enough males trying to hunt

This is because hunting is probablilistic. It is normal not to catch anything for a few days, even for a good hunter. So when do you decide when you are "not catching anything"? After 10 days, 15 days, one month? There is no good answer.

Therefore men had a simple instincts: "men hunt, regardless of the results"


You are just unable to put yourself in their shoes. Again, it is not a simple decision abandoning a HR/HR strategy. Where do you decide the threshold probability lies? Answering this kind of question is a challenge even for modern corporations and governments.

Most of the time, there is no good answer because the parameters are too complex. An arbitrary decision must be made. In the paleolithic it was : "men hunt"
Ok than who cares about if there isnt enough men "hunting" ? In the end people can live without meat too, why would they be hunting meat if it brings less calories.

Again there is literally no proof of "men hunt regardless of the result" gene.

And i am capable of putting myself into their shoes, this theory of hunter gatherers literally assume hunter men were more close minded than average dog, and was not gonna walk to random tree and eat his banana from there because he had "man hunt, i am man, i dont gather food" instinct.

Like are u serious ? Is that what modern science came to be ?
 
Why would they be hunting meat if it brings less calories.
Because meat brings in nutrients that are hard to find otherwise.

Meat is rich in iron and protein. Good for children' growth. Etc.

Again there is literally no proof of "men hunt regardless of the result" gene.
There are lots of evidence from "primitive" people observation (ethnology) and archaeology.

this theory of hunter gatherers literally assume hunter men were more close minded than average dog, and was not gonna walk to random tree and eat his banana from there because he had "man hunt, i am man, i dont gather food" instinct.
A man does not need to gather because he knows that back at camp, women will give him food they have gathered. Paleolithic society is based on sharing. Women share with their close kin and men share with the whole camp (when they catch something). That is one of the reasons why the gender-based specialization works.

Don't try to be "smart" about something you obviously know very little about. One cannot be smarter than the work of hundreds of archaeologists and ethnologist accumulated over a century and a half. Btw, this is not "recent" science. All this was pretty much established by the 1950s.
 
Because meat brings in nutrients that are hard to find otherwise.

Meat is rich in iron and protein. Good for children' growth. Etc.
True, but this still doesnt answer my question, unless less meat calaories is better than higher calories from nuts.
There are lots of evidence from "primitive" people observation (ethnology) and archaeology.
Mostly guess work.
A man does not need to gather because he knows that back at camp, women will give him food they have gathered. Paleolithic society is based on sharing. Women share with their close kin and men share with the whole camp (when they catch something). That is one of the reasons why the gender-based specialization works.
Damn, so paleolithic tribes have welfare network, even tho its only paying to males who are unsuccesful hunters, seems like an unnecessary, or harmful trait.
Don't try to be "smart" about something you obviously know very little about. One cannot be smarter than the work of hundreds of archaeologists and ethnologist accumulated over a century and a half. Btw, this is not "recent" science. All this was pretty much established by the 1950s.
Sure I can. I am smarter than all these scientists who thought babies didnt feel pain.

Plus these "scientists" are nothing but a useless schoolars who get their power from their monopoly on certain jobs via occupational licenses.

That is why its quite easy for them to go from lgbt was a mental illness when states dont like, to their current state of denying the biological differences between sexes.
 
True, but this still doesnt answer my question, unless less meat calaories is better than higher calories from nuts.
A balanced diet with say 60% plant food, 40% meat is about right.

Damn, so paleolithic tribes have welfare network, even tho its only paying to males who are unsuccesful hunters, seems like an unnecessary, or harmful trait.
We are here, which means these evolutionary choices were not bad. We are doing better than Pandas aren't we? This is because we managed this diversification (meat + plant foods in parallel) early on.

Sure I can. I am smarter than all these scientists who thought babies didnt feel pain.
Presumptuous

Plus these "scientists" are nothing but a useless schoolars who get their power from their monopoly on certain jobs via occupational licenses.
Today, that is true. But most advances in ethnology and archaeology were made before the rot set in.

That is why its quite easy for them to go from lgbt was a mental illness when states dont like, to their current state of denying the biological differences between sexes.
Well, archeology and ethnology (as they were 50 years ago, at least) do not deny that difference at all. On the contrary, they explain why the difference is meaningful and why it is deeply rooted in Female and Male Psychology:

Male are attracted to High Risk/High Return endeavors while females are attracted towards Low Risk/Low Return ones.

That is the most versatile and comprehensive appraisal of the difference between men and women I have ever seen.
 

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