Question on media sexualization

[MisanthropicMemes]

Feminists like to argue that musclar men in media arent sexualized and are power fantasies ( i kinda agree), and say that if men were sexualized as woman are, they would be sexualized in the same way (emphasis on ass, bulge, feminine poses etc.) To show women how men feel when they get sexualized. This is they say due to patriarchy, and that female characters should look more realistic and frumpy to combat objectification. So basically the way women tend to be sexualized ( focues on tits and ass and body) is socially engineered to oppress women, and society could theoretically have a reverse (men being sexual beings and women being dominant). So thats the claim of discrimination. But if this is what true male sexualization looks like, why arent men irl showing their asses like how women do to attract them? In real life women tend to prefer actual masculine men, so why does media sexualization need to be "equal" if its not naturally equal irl? Even in foid gooner games like love and deepspace, the men still look muscular masucline ( which I thought was only for men to self project), they look a bit feminine sure but they arent acting like gay pornstars / feminine, they still act masculine. How will making female designs more progressive erase the sexual connatation the female body has irl?

 

[MisanthropicMemes]

For example 2b from nier is inspired by real women who wear that outfit. If women werent known to wear things like that, her design wouldnt look that way. You dont see men dressed the same way because men dont wear skirts and leotards irl, but feminists say both genders need to be sexualized 1:1 the same way or its sexism ( so for example, both 9s and 2b need to be dressed the same way and posed the same)

 

[MisanthropicMemes]

@Kamanbert thoughts?

 

[Kamanbert]

Overal this is simply due to women's bodies being more sexualizable because of natural consequences. Again, feminists as other leftists love to ignore nature or reality altogether before making up their stupid and harmful concepts. Sorry but as an overweight dude i dont feel like my physical flaws are less important than they are for women : what can be positively emphasized in a man physically/visually like having a harmonious, overal good shape is just as important for us. We simply dont have gracious legs, tits or ass + nature was bound to make our bodies more utilitarian from a cultural standpoint. Not to even mention how our sexuality work : it's not our fault we're more turned on by them than they are by us.

But anyway, it seems like men dont dress that way irl and dont want to, while women dont want or demand it neither. Which, at first sight, is the exact opposite to women's bodies : women dress that way irl and men want or demand it.

This is the starting point of their argument, that it comes from men's naturally voracious + socially oppressive sexuality but here is the rub : DO MEN REALLY DEMAND IT ? If this is such an evidence to them then how the fuck it's their Nemesis THE PATRIARCHY that is so infamous for enforcing modesty ?! But their mental gymnastics to this is to claim that patriarchy "evolved" and is 4d chessing women by fagocyting what could have been empowering, talk about far-fetched. This alone makes the lines very blurry and already reeks of dishonesty, that's why feminists infamously infight over women's sexuality being either oppressive or empowering, it's a major note of discord that discredits them. Try to think about any other ideology that so blatantly contradicts itself but still get so much credit lmao there is none, female privilege runs very deep. They want to convince you of something before even agreeing on it prior LMAO.

 

[Kamanbert]

Now knowing this, one could even argue how women's sexuality is OPPRESSIVE TOWARDS MEN, rather than the opposite, and turn the tables on these sons of biches. Feminists wont convince no one that the average foid showing her ass at the gym was manipulated into doing so. But if you're a man that likes values of modesty and have a sex conscience, foids sexualizing themselves so casually while the cultural climate is at the same time demonizing your "male gaze" and sexuality overal definitely feels like an agression.

 

[Kamanbert]

In ancient societies where women dressed more modestly, the wife of the highest ranking man would wear revealing clothing. She did this because she knew nobody would dare offend the highest ranking male by correcting her, he'd risk being outcast or punished.
It was an expression of power and dominance over men.
Nowadays all women wear revealing clothing because they know men cannot stop them, because all women are married to the State.
They feel powerful when they go to the gym in yoga pants to give men false mating signals, in a hateful act of aggression they make men feel sexually frustrated knowing they can't do or say anything without being punished, and it is only (with her permission) that she satisfies him by playing by her rules (courting, flirting) in an act of submission to the power structure that enables her abuse, and this gives her power.
This is what they mean when they say they feel empowered by dyeing their hair ugly colors and dressing like a slut, by doing so they are expressing their power over men. They feel empowered to defile themselves with the men of their choosing, and not YOU.
They weren't forced to marry men they deemed subhuman (90% of men) to get by, corporations push women into high paying jobs to enforce this and lower birthrates so women don't even need betabuxx anymore.
This may sound like a eugenics program, but it's not. This is the mating system of Sub-Saharan Africa. Female selection selects for superficial traits that have nothing to do with building and maintaining a civilization, and they often pick harmful traits (stupid, dark triad, low impulse control). The genetics of civilization are in freefall and all men are held hostage.
The men are forced to watch helplessly or else her husband (The Government) will lock him away forever or kill him.
Modern civilization holds every man hostage, forcing men to watch life but never live it.
You are conquered, you are occupied, and your women have become janissaries.

 

[Kamanbert]

Of course there can be more elements to something, but take the core element here. The text mentions how the religious institution (that still had some power in common people's minds) disapproved of the cleavage, which the monarch opposed.

This means the only women shielded from the resulting social shame and ostracization were high-class women of the court, effectively being like those women from op's example, no one could tell them anything due to their social standing.

If poorer women were not discouraged to act that way, they would've created such clothes themselves lol.

ALL MODERN WOMEN ARE LIKE THOSE COURTESANS OF KING CHARLES COURT.

It's totally in phase with op's point.

Women sexualizing themselves is 100% a power move and nothing else and it's entirely on them. It's the ultimate insult to put it on men when a naturally male polarity is in favor of modesty.

 

[Kamanbert]

Women sexualizing themselves is 100% a power move and nothing else and it's entirely on them.

When men go along with it and want to insert sexy women into media it makes feminists screech just cause there's an aspect of "male control" ie the guys play with it for their own enjoyment and are not powerlessly teased by an actual real woman cock teasing them. This contradiction between pro vs anti sex in feminists is contingent on man hate and simply fluctuates according to personal interests etc that's why ugly or old feminists will be usually more inclined to be sex negative while young and pretty will be sex positive. Female psychology is so ugly. It blows my mind how feminism and by extension all women get so much credit and power in society, they obviously don't deserve it.

 

[Kamanbert]

Feminists like to argue that musclar men in media arent sexualized and are power fantasies

Lmao it's such empty garbage. Irl women's sexuality in a modern society is much more powerful than a man's physicality.

Feminists love their little "media analysis" etc. If men would petty enough to do the same there would be no shortage of evidence for what i say. Just take the average female song lyrics nowadays it's all about making men pussy whipped and dominating them with their sexuality. Even talking about men being on their knees worshipping them and shit like Doja Cat in Juicy. Or conflating feminine divinity with sex like Arianna Grande in God is a Woman. How is that not a power fantasy, and where is the line between power and subservience if the male gaze is inherently oppressive ? It's a clusterfuck they cant even make sense out of themselves. That's why if you read what i posted prior you connect the dots and come to the conclusion that this is all simply confused man hate with a lot of narcissistic power tripping.

 

[MisanthropicMemes]

Overal this is simply due to women's bodies being more sexualizable because of natural consequences. Again, feminists as other leftists love to ignore nature or reality altogether before making up their stupid and harmful concepts. Sorry but as an overweight dude i dont feel like my physical flaws are less important than they are for women : what can be positively emphasized in a man physically/visually like having a harmonious, overal good shape is just as important for us. We simply dont have gracious legs, tits or ass + nature was bound to make our bodies more utilitarian from a cultural standpoint. Not to even mention how our sexuality work : it's not our fault we're more turned on by them than they are by us.

But anyway, it seems like men dont dress that way irl and dont want to, while women dont want or demand it neither. Which, at first sight, is the exact opposite to women's bodies : women dress that way irl and men want or demand it.

This is the starting point of their argument, that it comes from men's naturally voracious + socially oppressive sexuality but here is the rub : DO MEN REALLY DEMAND IT ? If this is such an evidence to them then how the fuck it's their Nemesis THE PATRIARCHY that is so infamous for enforcing modesty ?! But their mental gymnastics to this is to claim that patriarchy "evolved" and is 4d chessing women by fagocyting what could have been empowering, talk about far-fetched. This alone makes the lines very blurry and already reeks of dishonesty, that's why feminists infamously infight over women's sexuality being either oppressive or empowering, it's a major note of discord that discredits them. Try to think about any other ideology that so blatantly contradicts itself but still get so much credit lmao there is none, female privilege runs very deep. They want to convince you of something before even agreeing on it prior LMAO.

When men go along with it and want to insert sexy women into media it makes feminists screech just cause there's an aspect of "male control" ie the guys play with it for their own enjoyment and are not powerlessly teased by an actual real woman cock teasing them. This contradiction between pro vs anti sex in feminists is contingent on man hate and simply fluctuates according to personal interests etc that's why ugly or old feminists will be usually more inclined to be sex negative while young and pretty will be sex positive. Female psychology is so ugly. It blows my mind how feminism and by extension all women get so much credit and power in society, they obviously don't deserve it.

W

Lmao it's such empty garbage. Irl women's sexuality in a modern society is much more powerful than a man's physicality.

Feminists love their little "media analysis" etc. If men would petty enough to do the same there would be no shortage of evidence for what i say. Just take the average female song lyrics nowadays it's all about making men pussy whipped and dominating them with their sexuality. Even talking about men being on their knees worshipping them and shit like Doja Cat in Juicy. Or conflating feminine divinity with sex like Arianna Grande in God is a Woman. How is that not a power fantasy, and where is the line between power and subservience if the male gaze is inherently oppressive ? It's a clusterfuck they cant even make sense out of themselves. That's why if you read what i posted prior you connect the dots and come to the conclusion that this is all simply confused man hate.

Mb for not responding with a lot but yeah i agree with you. Crazy how I see redditors saying that marvel rivals female skins are misogynystic and even contribute to irl sexism (keep in mind these skins are tame for a game made for an older audience), but every time I open up insta, I see floods of random foids willingly shaking their asses up close to the camera in fron of millions. Literally more vulgar than even most anime fanservice and kids see this too, but somehow that doesnt contribute to female objectification?

 

[Kamanbert]

Women should be so ruled by men and making them sandwiches it's not even funny.

 

[MisanthropicMemes]

Overal this is simply due to women's bodies being more sexualizable because of natural consequences. Again, feminists as other leftists love to ignore nature or reality altogether before making up their stupid and harmful concepts. Sorry but as an overweight dude i dont feel like my physical flaws are less important than they are for women : what can be positively emphasized in a man physically/visually like having a harmonious, overal good shape is just as important for us. We simply dont have gracious legs, tits or ass + nature was bound to make our bodies more utilitarian from a cultural standpoint. Not to even mention how our sexuality work : it's not our fault we're more turned on by them than they are by us.

But anyway, it seems like men dont dress that way irl and dont want to, while women dont want or demand it neither. Which, at first sight, is the exact opposite to women's bodies : women dress that way irl and men want or demand it.

This is the starting point of their argument, that it comes from men's naturally voracious + socially oppressive sexuality but here is the rub : DO MEN REALLY DEMAND IT ? If this is such an evidence to them then how the fuck it's their Nemesis THE PATRIARCHY that is so infamous for enforcing modesty ?! But their mental gymnastics to this is to claim that patriarchy "evolved" and is 4d chessing women by fagocyting what could have been empowering, talk about far-fetched. This alone makes the lines very blurry and already reeks of dishonesty, that's why feminists infamously infight over women's sexuality being either oppressive or empowering, it's a major note of discord that discredits them. Try to think about any other ideology that so blatantly contradicts itself but still get so much credit lmao there is none, female privilege runs very deep. They want to convince you of something before even agreeing on it prior LMAO.

Yeah i see some say female sexualization is purely patriarchal, but some of the most patriarchal countries forbid women even showing skins, while the west has a whoredom crisis and has the most female rights?

 

[Kamanbert]

W

Mb for not responding with a lot but yeah i agree with you. Crazy how I see redditors saying that marvel rivals female skins are misogynystic and even contribute to irl sexism (keep in mind these skins are tame for a game made for an older audience), but every time I open up insta, I see floods of random foids willingly shaking their asses up close to the camera in fron of millions. Literally more vulgar than even most anime fanservice and kids see this too, but somehow that doesnt contribute to female objectification?

Exactly, it's so absurd. You said it all here, these are all examples rooted in our prosaic realities, and i believe that in a sane society those simple things should immediately make sense for anyone and we shouldn't write essays to do so, after all the contradiction is fucking screaming in our face. This is why i think it's all fucking evil gorging on itself, those people are ought to be subjugated, not convinced.