Serious PUA/Redpill thinking is just coping with natural selection

[Eternal Observer]

At the end of the day, certain people were not meant to pass on their genes. If it were genuinely possible for "any man" to become alpha or have children, 98% of men would do it, yet only 1 man reproduced for every 17 FEMALES 8,000 years ago (long BEFORE social media gave them easy access to chad without the need to even leave their fucking homes) so the ratio has to be at least 1:30 now. Jfl. Im more than willing to bet however, that these PUA coaches would simply resort to assuming that every guy that was unable to produce offspring in the past was just a loser who didn't "MaInTaIn FrAmE" long enough or some other superficial observation. We think that as humans, we have the ability to bypass the laws of nature with enough civility and technological advancement, but we always fall prey to the rules set in stone before us. Our very arrogance as a species is what leads to vengeful, angry incels. There is NO bypassing natural selection and no amount of normies with their anecdotal "but i know one guy" examples can actually prove otherwise.

 

[ShyManlet]

yet only 1 man reproduced for every 17 FEMALES 8,000 years ago

Idk how this is possible tbh, there were no guns back then, the law also dont protect foid from rape. So you thought the men who didnt get to reproduce (majority) would just gang up on the tiny minority of men who hog all the women, how did they manage to maintain such harem without some incel brutally murdering them and steal their foid...i dont get it

 

[Deleted member 19236]

Idk how this is possible tbh, there were no guns back then, the law also dont protect foid from rape. So you thought the men who didnt get to reproduce (majority) would just gang up on the tiny minority of men who hog all the women, how did they manage to maintain such harem without some incel brutally murdering them and steal their foid...i dont get it

They dont know how it happened, they just know that by analysing our DNA it seems so.

Genetic Evidence for Unequal Effective Population Sizes of Human Females and Males

Abstract. The time to the most recent common ancestor (TMRCA) of the human mitochondria (mtDNA) is estimated to be older than that of the nonrecombining po

academic.oup.com

8,000 Years Ago, 17 Women Reproduced for Every One Man

An analysis of modern DNA uncovers a rough dating scene after the advent of agriculture.

psmag.com

A recent bottleneck of Y chromosome diversity coincides with a global change in culture

An international, peer-reviewed genome sciences journal featuring outstanding original research that offers novel insights into the biology of all organisms

genome.cshlp.org

 

[jackwolfskin999]

Bullshit propaganda
For hundreds of years monogamy was inforced there is no "natural selection' women arent even selecting they're having abortions and not having kids if any till their 30s this is just straight up degeneracy

 

[ShyManlet]

Bullshit propaganda
For hundreds of years monogamy was inforced there is no "natural selection' women arent even selecting they're having abortions and not having kids if any till their 30s this is just straight up degeneracy

the data predicts what happened 8 thousand years ago, not hundreds of years ago

anyhow youd thought if only 5% (1 in 17 is almost 6%) of men get to reproduce society would collapse already..and thered be a violent revolution, guess not..
then again theres guns today

still even without gun I dont see how this is possible in the past, if 95% of men has nothing, it shouldve been really violent
and they would risk anything to get some...I mean nothing in this world is more important (to men) than pussy and breeding rights
itd be interesting to know how they really managed to keep such harem

 

[jackwolfskin999]

the data predicts what happened 8 thousand years ago, not hundreds of years ago

anyhow you thought if only 5% (1 in 17 is almost 6%) of men get to reproduce society would collapse already..and thered be a violent revolution, guess not..
then again theres guns today

still even without gun I dont see how this is possible in the past, if 95% of men has nothing, it shouldve been really violent
and they would risk anything to get some...I mean nothing in this world is more important (to men) than pussy and breeding rights

I never said it was
What I mean it's a propaganda by chadfakecels and itcucks "it's just natural selection bro"

Yeah because something happened 8000 years ago it must happen now, "men also would rape that's just natural bro and abortion isnt natural so women should stop doing that to" using their logic

 

[Eternal Observer]

Idk how this is possible tbh, there were no guns back then, the law also dont protect foid from rape. So you thought the men who didnt get to reproduce (majority) would just gang up on the tiny minority of men who hog all the women, how did they manage to maintain such harem without some incel brutally murdering them and steal their foid...i dont get it

Rape could result in pregnancy, but that doesnt necessarily mean the baby will be born, due to lack of resources and protection of the mother. Can't really classify that as reproduction tbh

 

[littlemanhikicel]

the data predicts what happened 8 thousand years ago, not hundreds of years ago

anyhow youd thought if only 5% (1 in 17 is almost 6%) of men get to reproduce society would collapse already..and thered be a violent revolution, guess not..
then again theres guns today

still even without gun I dont see how this is possible in the past, if 95% of men has nothing, it shouldve been really violent
and they would risk anything to get some...I mean nothing in this world is more important (to men) than pussy and breeding rights
itd be interesting to know how they really managed to keep such harem

I think chads struggled to maintain those harems. Incels raping each foid they can rape in groups or alone. And a lot of castrated males like the soys that we have nowadays to take care of childs or work force. then large goups of sexless men conquered those harems.

Rape could result in pregnancy, but that doesnt necessarily mean the baby will be born, due to lack of resources and protection of the mother. Can't really classify that as reproduction tbh

truth.

 

[ShyManlet]

nevrer understood why rich men then, feel the need to have so many women, and so many kids, theres no point, unless you pump and dump,

Only have to read a little history to know that so many times in the past where the father (the king / emperor) start to get old, the sons just start killing each other to decide who deserve the throne, like its the most normal thing, then the father gets thrown to jail and rot there until their death, just jfl at the life of men, since the beginning of time...getting thrown to jail by the son you raise and give everything to...

 

[Eternal Observer]

Bullshit propaganda
For hundreds of years monogamy was inforced there is no "natural selection' women arent even selecting they're having abortions and not having kids if any till their 30s this is just straight up degeneracy

Stop generalizing like every woman or even over half of women are having abortions. Theyre still CHOOSING who they fuck arent they? Without access to resources and immediate leisures that modernity grants women, enforced monogamy was the ONLY way that men were willing to trade sex for resources and protection, so they FORCED women to adhere and raised their daughters the same way. This is by no means natural and does not negate the fact that women still screen for traits that exhibit healthy masculinity (square jaw, wide frame, height, etc.), which wouldnt be a thing if NS wasnt real. Yes, there is a such thing, and male intervention, no matter how significant can mask it. Hypergamy is just a sub result of NS.

 

[jackwolfskin999]

Stop generalizing like every woman or even over half of women are having abortions. Theyre still CHOOSING who they fuck arent they? Without access to resources and immediate leisures that modernity grants women, enforced monogamy was the ONLY way that men were willing to trade sex for resources and protection, so they FORCED women to adhere and raised their daughters the same way. This is by no means natural and does not negate the fact that women still screen for traits that exhibit healthy masculinity (square jaw, wide frame, height, etc.), which wouldnt be a thing if NS wasnt real. Yes, there is a such thing, and male intervention, no matter how significant can mask it. Hypergamy is just a sub result of NS.

It they're not having abortions they're using condoms and birth control, the average age for first child is in their 30s for most western countries after having taken a hundred cocks it's not 'natural' to have women decide the mating process

 

[Dionysus]

we need to kick natural selection up a few notches

 

[Eternal Observer]

It they're not having abortions they're using condoms and birth control, the average age for first child is in their 30s for most western countries after having taken a hundred cocks it's not 'natural' to have women decide the mating process

Fair enough. Nature wasnt meant to allow females to have this much sex free of charge. It turns them into soulless harpies that see men as walking dildos. I get you bro.

we need to kick natural selection up a few notches

Hell no we need to control that shit like we did back then. Im not advocating for rape but there needs to be public shaming for being a whore (something that used to work very well). Women hate not being accepted by groups.

 

[Salustio]

What I understood about PUAs:

American people are the dumbest of this planet, uncultured and uneducated, so they hang from the lips of snake oil sellers. The entire "coaching" industry, looks like it have a base in America, where the dumbest people live with this "culture" made of platitudes and motivational speeches.

American men think that coaches are "intellectuals", and PUAs are literally gurus.

Maybe american men can shove a spoon up their asses if you claim you are a "life coach" and you convince them it's necessary.

 

[Lux]

A new aristocracy based on classical values would be better; nurture is a sufficient plan to deal with nature

 

[ShyManlet]

Hell no we need to control that shit like we did back then. Im not advocating for rape but there needs to be public shaming for being a whore (something that used to work very well). Women hate not being accepted by groups.

this is unlikely to happen in such time of ease.
the more prosperous and peaceful a country is, the less restricted the women will be.
Hell just saw that thread yesterda,y about saudi foid looking for chad and sending nudes.
times of peace and prosperity makes people weak.

Then again even in the degenerate US theres still strict mormon community, the amish, and idk what else, so I guess not all hope is lost.

 

[Eternal Observer]

What I understood about PUAs:

American people are the dumbest of this planet, uncultured and uneducated, so they hang from the lips of snake oil sellers. The entire "coaching" industry, looks like it have a base in America, where the dumbest people live with this "culture" made of platitudes and motivational speeches.

American men think that coaches are "intellectuals", and PUAs are literally gurus.

Maybe american men can shove a spoon up their asses if you claim you are a "life coach" and you convince them it's necessary.

Nah we're not dumb. Its just that our dumbest people often have the most screen time and the loudest microphones, making us look retarded to other countries. Our government is corrupt and silences those that speak the truth and offers platforms to the illiterate and uneducated. It's an agenda to create future generations of easily herded sheep.

Its like if youre on a team with an idiot who yells out the wrong answer and makes you all look stupid.

this is unlikely to happen in such time of ease.
the more prosperous and peaceful a country is, the less restricted the women will be.
Hell just saw that thread yesterda,y about saudi foid looking for chad and sending nudes.
times of peace and prosperity makes people weak.

Then again even in the degenerate US theres still strict mormon community, the amish, and idk what else, so I guess not all hope is lost.

I feel you. I think it can happen after some detrimental collapse and shock to the system but not as we are.

 

[BlkPillPres]

At the end of the day, certain people were not meant to pass on their genes. If it were genuinely possible for "any man" to become alpha or have children, 98% of men would do it, yet only 1 man reproduced for every 17 FEMALES 8,000 years ago (long BEFORE social media gave them easy access to chad without the need to even leave their fucking homes) so the ratio has to be at least 1:30 now. Jfl. Im more than willing to bet however, that these PUA coaches would simply resort to assuming that every guy that was unable to produce offspring in the past was just a loser who didn't "MaInTaIn FrAmE" long enough or some other superficial observation. We think that as humans, we have the ability to bypass the laws of nature with enough civility and technological advancement, but we always fall prey to the rules set in stone before us. Our very arrogance as a species is what leads to vengeful, angry incels. There is NO bypassing natural selection and no amount of normies with their anecdotal "but i know one guy" examples can actually prove otherwise.

Sorry dude I have to call BS on those studies, maybe I some point I believed it to be true, but when I think about it it doesn't make sense

There were no laws, no police, nothing, raping and impregnating a woman would be a simple task, and even if you were killed for the act, she's already pregnant, there's no morning after pill, and there was likely still a stigma to trying to "abort" a child via other means, so more likely than not, she'd have to carry the pregnancy to term

 

[Sweetlikecinamon]

So Pua/Redpill coaches don't believe in natural/sexual selection?

 

[Eternal Observer]

Sorry dude I have to call BS on those studies, maybe I some point I believed it to be true, but when I think about it it doesn't make sense

There were no laws, no police, nothing, raping and impregnating a woman would be a simple task, and even if you were killed for the act, she's already pregnant, there's no morning after pill, and there was likely still a stigma to trying to "abort" a child via other means, so more likely than not, she'd have to carry the pregnancy to term

The resulting rape doesnt necessarily result in a full term pregnancy. A guy didnt rape a woman to pass on his genes, he most likely did it just to get off. Women during pregnancy are vulnerable and need protection and resources. If the mother dies, so does the child. You cant refer to that as reproduction. While rape itself was high, reproduction was more than likely along the lines of this study.

Plus, 8,000 years ago there more than likely was no stigma around carrying a pregnancy since there was almost no civilized society anyway. No stigma against rape but against abortion? I dont buy it

 

[seija]

The Redpill is a literal joke, a massive cope to tie men to materialism to work for things they'll never truly feel satisfied with.

 

[Eternal Observer]

The Redpill is a literal joke, a massive cope to tie men to materialism to work for things they'll never truly feel satisfied with.

I think they do it to keep from going insane tbh.

 

[seija]

I think they do it to keep from going insane tbh.

At this point they're already considered "insane" to me.

 

[Eternal Observer]

So Pua/Redpill coaches don't believe in natural/sexual selection?

Their entire careers are dedicated to giving guys "the tools" to basically negate NS so i'll say no

 

[needsolution]

The Redpill is a literal joke, a massive cope to tie men to materialism to work for things they'll never truly feel satisfied with.

yeah i regret i was redpilled piece of shit till 2019.

 

[Deleted member 4159]

I'm really getting sick of all these evolutionary biology copers, as if that justifies foid's deplorable behavior. If anything, if Chads hog all the women to themselves, the rest of the tribe will gang up and kill him. Monogamy is an essential part of society.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Plus, 8,000 years ago there more than likely was no stigma around carrying a pregnancy since there was almost no civilized society anyway. No stigma against rape but against abortion? I dont buy it

1. How would they even abort without hurting themselves?

2. An incel would not have to rape and leave, he could force his victim to live with him and raise the child, I'm sure that happenend a lot, and she would just go along with it because its safer than whats out there, just going out and getting raped again or killed, better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

 

[Eternal Observer]

1. How would they even abort without hurting themselves?

2. An incel would not have to rape and leave, he could force his victim to live with him and raise the child, I'm sure that happenend a lot, and she would just go along with it because its safer than whats out there, just going out and getting raped again or killed, better the devil you know than the devil you don't know.

1. Who would even provide the resources for the mother to carry the child to full term, herself being in a weakened state? Highly doubt most rapes were done to forcibly produce a family to raise.

2. An incel definetely would not have to rape and then leave, but you disregard why he would even stay to expend energy hunting and providing for 2 extra humans. Not all men saw sex as a means to a family, they most likely just wanted to bust a nut.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Who would even provide the resources for the mother to carry the child to full term

On that note, when said women gets pregnant by Chad, do resources magically fall out of the sky for her

you disregard why he would even stay to expend energy hunting and providing for 2 extra humans

Actually its really just you disregarding that Chads would likely do the same, so wouldn't that child die anyways, you can't have it both ways

Why do you seem to be implying that the Chad would definitely have sex for reproductive purposes and would definitely stay to help raise the child

Why would he expend the energy when he knows full well the next woman will fuck him

 

[Eternal Observer]

On that note, when said women gets pregnant by Chad, do resources magically fall out of the sky for her

Are you asking if they do? I was still referring to 8,000 years ago

Actually its really just you disregarding that Chads would likely do the same, so wouldn't that child die anyways, you can't have it both ways

Why do you seem to be implying that the Chad would definitely have sex for reproductive purposes and would definitely stay to help raise the child

Why would he expend the energy when he knows full well the next woman will fuck him

I actually made no direct statements about what Chad would do, i only stated that an incel would not stick around if he does not have to. This being said, there were obviously men that had sex for the sake of reproduction and producing a lineage. This is why i think this study may be more accurate than not, because there had to have been many pregnant women that were subject to predators, weather, etc because the male decided to leave her alone. This would not lead to reproduction.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Are you asking if they do? I was still referring to 8,000 years ago



I actually made no direct statements about what Chad would do, i only stated that an incel would not stick around if he does not have to. This being said, there were obviously men that had sex for the sake of reproduction and producing a lineage. This is why i think this study may be more accurate than not, because there had to have been many pregnant women that were subject to predators, weather, etc because the male decided to leave her alone. This would not lead to reproduction.

Ok then but there's no reason then to assume that every 1 man that produced for every 17 women was an attractive man, a man sticking around was a rarity period, so the men that reproduced were merely the men who decided to stick around to protect their offspring, but your entire thread is about falsely assuming that these men were Chad, while ironically now you've agreed that neither Chad or Incel males were likely to stick around to expend the energy and resources required

So the 1 for every 17 stat doesn't really mean anything other than very few men were willing to protect their sex partners and their offspring so that they survived

My point from the beginning anyways is that the implications people are ascribing to that study is complete BS

 

[Eternal Observer]

Ok then but there's no reason then to assume that every 1 man that produced for every 17 women was an attractive man, a man sticking around was a rarity period, so the men that reproduced were merely the men who decided to stick around to protect their offspring, but your entire thread is about falsely assuming that these men were Chad, while ironically now you've agreed that neither Chad or Incel males were likely to stick around

No actually, My opinion was merely that nature promotes the selection of certain traits and actively seeks to destroy others via lack of attraction, hence certain men technically not being meant to reproduce in accordance with the laws of nature. There are far more factors than just being chad at play here. You also have to take into consideration the harems that must have been around men that accumulated wealth and power. men who probably wouldnt let some sex starved pleb rape his women. While there may have been random accounts of a wild man raping a wild woman, the "flocking" behavior that women display to powerful men, a behavior we still see in modernity, actually supports the accuracy of the observations of this study. Besides, theres literally no point proposing this as propaganda. If anything, it proves the plight of inceldom as valid if you take into account the civilized society, which outlaws rape, that we live in.

 

[BlkPillPres]

theres literally no point proposing this as propaganda. If anything, it proves the plight of inceldom as valid if you take into account the civilized society, which outlaws rape, that we live in.

Depends on how its being used, it can easily be used to create a culture of acceptance for harems and hypergamy and normalize to it

It also can function as a means to make men docile and accepting of their shitty fate, because it tells a tale of defeat and acceptance rather than one of resistance and revenge, its much safer to spread the idea that

"16 men getting cucked and never reproducing is a norm"

Than to spread the idea that

"If men could not get a woman, they simply raped, it was as simple as that"

Society does not want to present rape and men using exploits and loopholes as even options, because that leads to anarchy

If you want to control the masses what do you think is the best story to spread, one of "fate" and "inevitability", one of "rules" you just can't beat, obviously yes, so this can easily be a form of propaganda

Doesn't matter if you "prove the plight of inceldom" if you simultaneously neuter men at the same time, if anything that's the best way to do it, if you hide inceldom and men discover it, it will enrage them, if you reveal it to them and speak of it as something hopeless that you can't change with violence or force, then they will bend over and accept it, lets be honest, most incels do that anyways, all you'll hear about on this site is JUST LIE DOWN AND ROT BRRRROOOOO

That mindset right there is how society and women win, don't fight back, don't be violent, don't get revenge, just lie down and accept it, kill yourself peacefully in a quiet little corner or slowly suffer and die of old age, but whatever you do, don't force yourself on a woman and don't kill anybody

 

[Eternal Observer]

Depends on how its being used, it can easily be used to create a culture of acceptance for harems and hypergamy and normalize to it

It also can function as a means to make men docile and accepting of their shitty fate, because it tells a tale of defeat and acceptance rather than one of resistance and revenge, its much safer to spread the idea that

"16 men getting cucked and never reproducing is a norm"

Than to spread the idea that

"If men could not get a woman, they simply raped, it was as simple as that"

Society does not want to present rape and men using exploits and loopholes as even options, because that leads to anarchy

If you want to control the masses what do you think is the best story to spread, one of "fate" and "inevitability", one of "rules" you just can't beat, obviously yes, so this can easily be a form of propaganda

Doesn't matter if you "prove the plight of inceldom" if you simultaneously neuter men at the same tim, if anything that's the best way to do it, if you hide inceldom and men discover it, it will enrage them, if you reveal it to them and speak of it as something hopeless that you can't change with violence or force, then they will bend over and accept it, lets be honest, most incels do that anyways, all you'll hear about on this site is JUST LIE DOWN AND ROT BRRRROOOOO

That mindset right there is how society and women win, don't fight back, don't be violent, don't get revenge, just lie down and accept it, kill yourself peacefully in a quiet little corner or slowly suffer and die of old age, but whatever you do, don't force yourself on a woman and don't kill anybody

Okay i agree with that. The only thing i'd say im not so sure about your point on what the statistics present is the intent to instill hopelessness at the hands of fate, at least with this article. I would imagine there was really no way to collectively recognize the reproductive dispariagement as an issue back then with no efficient ways of networking between men, so it probably was percieved as a personal problem for most. Men were probably too busy trying to survive to worry about things like that back then.

I do see that defeatist mindset in quite a few incels though, and i honestly despise it because it isnt natural. Neither is the society that has made them feel this way. I'd say the constant, televised promotion of mainly beautiful people in romance movies is a core issue. When people, especially women, watch these things they often expect the world to be the same when they leave the house.