Pretty much every tall sub4 guy I've personally known was incel.

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Some were white, some were black and a couple were other races. Almost all were NT with decent social skills.

YES, height matters. YES, race matters. YES, being NT matters. But your face has to stand on it's own, there's no getting around that. No, you don't have to be a male model, but your face can't be sub4 if you want women to be remotely attracted to you.

If your face is sub4 the most you can ever hope for is to be beta bux to a woman who isn't attracted to you, won't love you and will cheat on you with a much better looking, younger man. Even that's getting really hard these days.

You can sit in your mom's basement making 3297 different theories to try and circumvent this, and look through 98 pages of "ugly guys with girlfriends" looking for the best ones to cherry pick to "prove" whatever theory you're trying to promote...but it won't change reality.

 

[TheRealChincel]

Preach it, OP!

 

[StormlitAqua]

Some were white, some were black and a couple were other races. Almost all were NT with decent social skills.

YES, height matters. YES, race matters. YES, being NT matters. But your face has to stand on it's own, there's no getting around that. No, you don't have to be a male model, but your face can't be sub4 if you want women to be remotely attracted to you.

If your face is sub4 the most you can ever hope for is to be beta bux to a woman who isn't attracted to you, won't love you and will cheat on you with a much better looking, younger man. Even that's getting really hard these days.

You can sit in your mom's basement making 3297 different theories to try and circumvent this, and look through 98 pages of "ugly guys with girlfriends" looking for the best ones to cherry pick to "prove" whatever theory you're trying to promote...but it won't change reality.

FACT. Any JB"whatever" theory is bullshit in the 21st century. Women need men to be tall and attractive, or tall and extremely NT just have a chance. Not to mention certain ethnics have it worse even if they're tall.

 

[realsubhumanx]

 

[DecayGuy]

Is 6ft still seen as tall?

 

[TheRealChincel]

Is 6ft still seen as tall?

A little above average.

 

[kantero]

How 4-face looks like?

 

[Dispair]

Unless you are some sort of turbomanlet who is 5'4 or below, face will always be the single most important thing. The importance of race also heavily depends on where you are from. Here in Germany being white helps very little because fucking everyone here is white. Sure there are quite a few arabs here due to the whole thing in Syria and Iraq, but most minorities in Germany are white like people from Poland or Russia.

 

[Deleted member 1983]

face > height.

anybody who says otherwise is coping.

 

[ArtoriasWolf]

Being tall would make me feel slightly better though

 

[chainsawcel]

Is 6ft still seen as tall?

<6'1 is manlet in 2018

 

[UnfortunatelyINCEL98]

Preach it, OP!

 

[KV-]

Some were white, some were black and a couple were other races. Almost all were NT with decent social skills.

YES, height matters. YES, race matters. YES, being NT matters. But your face has to stand on it's own, there's no getting around that. No, you don't have to be a male model, but your face can't be sub4 if you want women to be remotely attracted to you.

If your face is sub4 the most you can ever hope for is to be beta bux to a woman who isn't attracted to you, won't love you and will cheat on you with a much better looking, younger man. Even that's getting really hard these days.

You can sit in your mom's basement making 3297 different theories to try and circumvent this, and look through 98 pages of "ugly guys with girlfriends" looking for the best ones to cherry pick to "prove" whatever theory you're trying to promote...but it won't change reality.

How tall are we talking exactly? Height is a negative with most foids if one is above 6'5. (much better than being a manlet though). I find it quite hard to believe a 6'3 3/10 white male couldn't manage in Asia. Others, like blackops2cel, got matches there with much, much less.