Poll, *short below 173cm (5'8)
I am 5'9 short
Yes also
I have no idea how this is posted twice, I made a slight edit for the 4th option but it just made another post
I see
At least a solid 70% of this forum is neither short nor ugly. There’s no point in trying to blackpill them when they’re just here to make themselves look oppressed among us.
I am 175 cm and 3/10
5'7
Have you ever gotten a rating from Looksmax?
Definitely a lot of normgroids here
5'4 and 3/10.
184cm, 4.3/10 according to latest r/truerrateme verified rating.
Who? Elaborate.
Me.
I'm sub5 and short.
im sub5 and turbomanlet
5’7 and ugly
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Just because ur not sub 5 doesnt mean ur good looking enough 4 todays women. Just because ur not short doesnt mean ur tall enough 4 todays women.
stop making these shit threads you faggots
idk I mean call me a fakecel but my face is HTN even chadlite. I got unlucky in alot of other aspects in life though, height being one of them. I have a slightly positive canthal tilt jaw is good but my hunter eyes are not quite as sharp as they could be and my nose is on average larger than most.
You don’t need to be a 10 or a 9 to get laid, even if you are a zoomer. If your SMV’s not below 5, then you have absolutely no place to be here. Stop giving room for fakecels.
think I will save my breath, you people can't be saved
Elaborate ‘cause I think you’re one of the better users on here and I’d like to hear your point of view without you just giving up on me completely. I believe that young women’s expectations are through the fucking roof at the moment, yes, but so long as you’re NOT laughably short, ugly, and repulsive, IDEALLY (that’s your keyword) you shouldn’t be having TOO MANY (another keyword) issues in regards of dating. And I stand by it so go ahead and tell me how it’s foids’ fault that the 6’4” perfectly good-looking Looksmax chadlite fakecel fuck can’t get laid on that shitty forum.
Men will only improve their situation if we start cooperating as a sex. That requires controlling our innate drive to compete over our place in the hierachy.
I can understand all the issues with fakecels stealing sympathy that should belong to the men cursed with the truly worst genetic luck and how fakecels bring in a flawed perspective since their experience are still too optimistic.
But even above 5/10 men are suffering, even the NT ones. They are less affected by society's mistreatment of our sex, but they are not unaffected. If we want to change something we will need as many people as possible. We want as many men and even women on our side. Infighting over who really has it the worst makes sense to an extent, but only if it is part of keeping things fair and keeping the group functional. If it becomes a holyness spiral, consuming any shread of comradery or unity, then it is a net negative.
I don't think our situation is hopeless, the worse it gets in the near future, the more men will be driven past the limits of their pain tolerance and go looking for a solution. We should welcome these men, even those who have it better than us, because they are still similar enough to sympathize. These men can be made to take our side. Instead we push them away because they don't have it quite bad enough. There is nothing strategic about that. It's purely about securing your own position in the victim hierachy.
I care about men as a group and the innate unfairness we have to face in the modern world. That includes pretty much all men. At least it includes more than just 1-3/10 truecels.
Not to mention how, e.g., autism has some of the worst lifetime outcomes when it comes to dating and sex.
People want their suffering to be respected and the details of their struggle understood, but no one wants to be the one doing the caring and understanding. All I see is people competing over the limited recourses of "in-group status" and "claim to victimhood".
Cooperate or be dominated. Individuals are vulnerable and weak, but for a collective to persist its members need to be willing to make sacrifices for the cause. And I see very few people on here even caring remotely about any man other than themself.
In all sincerity, nothing will ever change. I highly appreciate the dedicated response but the way you put it is as if we’re at war with people. There’s no strategic winning, there’s no uniting, there’s just you and your biological imperative being chiefly dictated by sexual dimorphism and women selecting the best-looking men they can get, if not the better-looking, however, that doesn’t necessarily indicate that the average-looking is destined to a life of solitude and misery. And you’re right, ridiculing and gatekeeping them is slightly childish albeit necessary for functionality but my suggestion to these people is to simply leave this community and (UNIRONICALLY) “self-improve.” We’re talking about people who’re not genetic dead, right? Well, then there’s absolutely no excuse.
I strongly disagree and am slightly disappointed that this is what you strive for, enabling people who have absolutely no place here. Welcoming them will do nothing but further invalidate our point (i.e., looks are the most important factor) but I really don’t intend to get into this at the time of writing, so I’ll just leave it here.
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I operated under this assumption as a young boy, I saw no need to compete if no one else did but the world does not work that way sadly normies are ruthless
I am 5ft. When I was skinny I was maybe a 5 or even 6, but I'm a solid 2-3 fatass now.
Things aren't static. Care for farm animals, care for the potential suffering of insects, care for the disabled, care for murderers and care for generations yet to be born. All made progress unimaginable prior over the last ~100 years. We live in the future, you were born into a time in which it was decided men could be women, if they just said so. And most people were made to go along with that. Human behavior is very flexible. Saying "nothing will ever change" is the easy way out. It means you don't have to try, you don't have to invest effort or take risks.
Right now some people are slowly pushing race realism through academia. People who have spend their entire career keeping their head down and biting their time until they manage to aquire indisputable evidence of what everyone with half a brain has long since caught up with. Battles of interest and ideology are always happening, what sounds cringe now will be face-fuckingly obvious for those looking back at our time.
We are at war if you want to put it that way, and you are a part of it without an option to opt out. Group interests conflict within society and you will be affected by the fate of w/e group you pledge your allegiance to. Remain disengaged and you will have to go along with whomever ends up dominating and you will have no leverage within that dominant group. If you feel certain you know who is going to win, join their site actively and improve your situation in life with little risk.
Having the more average men make the best they can out of their life is not exclusive to having them develope a group conciousness as part of the male sex. You can kick them from here to keep a place for the lowest of us to feel at home in, but these men should still be on your radar as potential allies instead of just as sworn enemies.
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Brutal how can you cope at that height?
When will people learn on this forum that BEING SHORT AUTOMATICALLY MEANS YOU ARE SUB 5
1. Money/Landlordmaxxing with 4 houses. This is hard to do when short though cause of discrimination, but in software it's easier cause you can often get away with remote/Zoom interviews where nobody can tell you're short.
2. Remote job + move to manlet country. In my case I'm currently in Mexico (but travelling LATAM slowly). This way I'm only 7 inches below average and height mog many foids.
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you don't need to be short or ugly as fuck to be incel. I would rather talk with a decent looking incel than talk with an ugly fakecel who looks down on me for being virgin
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if u think only sub 5s are incel ur delusional. literally goes against the 80/20 rule. which these days is more like 95/5.
I am a pajeet 3 in one, manlet, dicklet, brainlet
Virgin incels are the most appreciated here
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