Hypocrisy Plymouth, England shooting: Hate-filled Redditors score political points off dead victims

[PPEcel]

If you happen to be living under a rock, here's what happened:

Plymouth shooting: Jake Davison was licensed gun holder

Jake Davison killed five people, including a three-year-old girl, before turning the gun on himself.

www.bbc.co.uk

Jake Davison, who killed five people, including a young girl, in Plymouth was a licensed firearms holder, police have revealed. The 22-year-old shot two women, two men and the three-year-old girl in a deadly six-minute spree in the Keyham area of the city on Thursday evening. Police said the incident, the worst mass shooting in Britain since 2010, is not terror-related.

It hasn't been 24 hours since yesterday's shooting, and we can already hear the voices of those who are disingenuously attempting to reframe the narrative, by attacking British law enforcement's decision to not treat this as a terror attack.

Spoiler: Soy overdose

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTear/comments/p3jzgx/another_incel_shooting_this_time_in_england_when/


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We know two things so far: 1) the victims were known to the perpetrator, and not random members of the public (as would be typical of terrorism); 2) the police have not identified a motive.

Accordingly, all signs point to yesterday's shooting as a domestic incident, not an act of terror. That the perpetrator may not be conventionally attractive, or that his online activities point to a history of untreated mental illness, should not cloud this analysis.

Indeed, it would be downright unreasonable and set a dangerous precedent to investigate and treat every case of familicide as a terror attack. When a white lesbian couple in California committed murder-suicide by driving an SUV with their adopted children off a cliff, was that an act of terror? When a Chad in Colorado strangled his pregnant wife and two daughters and stuffed their bodies in crude oil storage tanks, was that an act of terror?



Not only would it be imprudent for law enforcement to devote counter-terror resources towards what are evidently domestic incidents, doing so would constitute mission creep and raise civil liberties concerns. By arbitrarily and capriciously revising the definition of "terrorism", these Redditors' demands would extend prosecutors' already-expansive powers at the expense of criminal defendants, and contribute to the gradual militarization of police we see in liberal democracies worldwide.

To further highlight our SJW opponents' sheer vacuity, just compare Redditors' responses to the Devon and Cornwall Police's investigation of the 2021 Plymouth shooting, with the Public Prosecution Service of Canada's handling of the 2020 Toronto machete attack.

In the latter case, vitriolic Redditors were quick to defer to the judgment of law enforcement that the Toronto machete attack was an act of terror motivated by inceldom, even though all the details of the case are sealed and subject to a court-ordered publication ban given the alleged perpetrator's young age. In yesterday's mass shooting in Plymouth, however, the same Redditors refuse to afford law enforcement a similar amount of deference as they did one year ago — simply because law enforcement's decisions do not comport with their agenda this time around.

It's also worth noting that no incel- or blackpill-related organizations appear in the UK Home Office's list of Proscribed Terrorist Organisations, nor in Public Safety Canada's List of Terrorist Entities. As a matter of law, any suggestion that "incels" as a "group" or "entity" have been designated as terrorists is simply incorrect.

Let's call these Redditors what they are: despicable SJWs using the dead victims of yesterday's incident as a political football whilst their bodies are still warm. Shame on them.

 

[MisterMeme]

I hope everyone of those IT cucks die by shooting like the dogs they are

 

[FlyFace]

Let's call these Redditors what they are: despicable SJWs using the dead victims of yesterday's incident as a political football whilst their bodies are still warm. Shame on them.

Redditors are sub human. People died but they still need to hammer the nails of their narrative into their corpses.

 

[PoodankMcGee]

Terrorism has always been a buzzword label to justify whatever the state or those with power want to demonize. I don't really care for squabbling over the definition. If the feds want us to be terrorists theyll make us out to be regardless of the facts or what some soyfag on reddit says. But in the context of that debate i agree with your points

He does seem to be an incel or incel adjacent though. Pretty based he was subbed to IncelTV

"His channel subscribes to an account named Incel TV, which features content related to "involuntary celibacy".

Although saying he did not "clarify" himself as an "incel", Davison talked about "people similar to me have had nothing but themselves".

In another clip, he discusses missing out on a teenage romance and refers to "Chads", an incel community term for good-looking men who attract women."

"I missed out on so much as a teenager, I hope I can make up for it," he tells his viewers.

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Havent seen the videos yet but he sounds like some bluepilled forever aloner type who ust couldnt cope anymore. Instead of arguing whether it's terrorism or not i would reframe it as the consequences of the bluepilled mentality and deluding men with the false hope that theyll find someone someday... eventually...

 

[Wellington]

A lot of guys here are worried that this guy and others who go ER will cause governments to clamp down and pass draconian laws that equate inceldom to terrorism. My response to that is the Western governments are gonna do that either way, even if no one goes ER.

In fact Canada already has under Justin Cuckdeau and here in Cuckmerica Joe Biden has declared incels as domestic terrorists (as well as trump supporters & white "extremists").

As far as this incident, I think this guy just snapped and decided to take out his anger on people he knew (possibly his neighbors?).

Of course mainstream media, soyciety, and normies are gonna hate and condemn incels. They're already hate us when we haven't been violent or gone ER, they're just gonna hate us even more if someone goes ER.

Stop seeking their approval or begging them by saying "not all of us are like that". It doesn't matter, THEY WILL ALWAYS SEE US AS EVIL. Never back down and never apologize for something you didn't do.

If it was up to me I'd love to see the West and the whole world collapse and die. To see this evil fucked up world die would bring me such peace and happiness. I'd be like Nero fiddling while Rome burns.

 

[Irredeemable]

Jake Davison, who killed five people, including a young girl

Why is the girl especially emphasized?

 

[BlkPillPres]

A lot of guys here are worried that this guy and others who go ER will cause governments to clamp down and pass draconian laws that equate inceldom to terrorism

That doesn't make sense though because what law will they pass

A don't be average looking law?

 

[PPEcel]

In fact Canada already has under Justin Cuckdeau and here in Cuckmerica Joe Biden has declared incels as domestic terrorists (as well as trump supporters & white "extremists").

I want to make it clear that President Biden has no legal authority to "declare" incels as domestic terrorists, just as former President Trump had no legal authority to "declare" Antifa as domestic terrorists. It would be indeed concerning for Americans if the executive could unilaterally suppress a broad, vague category of speech by executive fiat.

And my understanding of Canadian constitutional law isn't as detailed, but can I ask what you describe as "declaring incels as domestic terrorists", from a legal standpoint? Because I'm pretty confident in saying that PM Trudeau doesn't have that authority either.

Stop seeking their approval or begging them by saying "not all of us are like that". It doesn't matter, THEY WILL ALWAYS SEE US AS EVIL. Never back down and never apologize for something you didn't do.

I'm just calling them out for attempting to rewrite the narrative of this incident. I'm not seeking anyone's approval, nor am I begging or apologizing. Can you fucking read?

 

[Wellington]

That doesn't make sense though because what law will they pass

A don't be average looking law?

I agree with you. It's just some guys here are scared that governments will pass "more laws".

I don't give a fuck anymore what "laws" they pass and I have nothing to lose.

I personally choose to LDAR instead of going ER or rope.

I'm just calling them out for attempting to rewrite the narrative of this incident. I'm not seeking anyone's approval, nor am I begging or apologizing. Can you fucking read?

It was not directed at you personally, it was more a general statement aimed at everyone here in the forum to not grovel to the feet of normies/soyciety.

That being said, I'm not a legal or constitutional expert. But you have to be very naive to think that they won't declare us as domestic terrorists.

The US govt already spies on all US citizens, even though technically that's "unconstitutional". Do you really think these corrupt Western governments care about being "constitutional"?

 

[PPEcel]

It was not directed at you personally, it was more a general statement aimed at everyone here in the forum to not grovel to the feet of normies/soyciety.

That being said, I'm not a legal or constitutional expert. But you have to be very naive to think that they won't declare us as domestic terrorists.

The US govt already spies on all US citizens, even though technically that's "unconstitutional". Do you really think these corrupt Western governments care about being "constitutional"?

Well, I think it's important to be realistic. Most normalfags (and some incels, I gradually realize) have trouble distinguishing between normative and descriptive statements.

Like I've said, who is "they"? What the fuck does it even mean to "declare X as domestic terrorist"? I'm not sure that the colloquial understanding of the phrase you're using refers to any existing legal mechanism.

 

[Wellington]

I'm not sure that the colloquial understanding of the phrase you're using refers to any existing legal mechanism.

Fair enough

I still think if Western governments wanted to they could go down that path of authoritarianism towards us

 

[Incline]

That doesn't make sense though because what law will they pass

A don't be average looking law?

Might as well make it official.

It's social law already.

 

[PPEcel]

Fair enough

I still think if Western governments wanted to they could go down that path of authoritarianism towards us

I think it's more helpful from a pol sci perspective to perceive government as a collection of several dozen institutions each with their own interests and boundaries and not as one massive entity.

 

[Wellington]

I think it's more helpful from a pol sci perspective to perceive government as a collection of several dozen institutions each with their own interests and boundaries and not as one massive entity.

From my perspective I see the government as a nameless and faceless bureaucracy that can at any moment abuse their power and usher in an authoritarian dictatorship.

I see "government", especially US & Western governments, as an entity that just can't wait to put its boot on our throats.

These ideals of civilized society, rule of law, democracy and all of that is just garbage. It doesn't really exist in the real world and nowadays US/Western governments don't care about it either.

The only thing that matters is absolute power and ruthlessly executing that power. Once US/Western governments go fully-Orwellian it will be too late. When their boot is on our throat, we can shout "hey what about the rule of law and the constitution!". But it won't matter because only power and strength matters, just like in the animal kingdom.

 

[PPEcel]

From my perspective I see the government as a nameless and faceless bureaucracy that can at any moment abuse their power and usher in an authoritarian dictatorship.

I see "government", especially US & Western governments, as an entity that just can't wait to put its boot on our throats.

These ideals of civilized society, rule of law, democracy and all of that is just garbage. It doesn't really exist in the real world and nowadays US/Western governments don't care about it either.

The only thing that matters is absolute power and ruthlessly executing that power. Once US/Western governments go fully-Orwellian it will be too late. When their boot is on our throat, we can shout "hey what about the rule of law and the constitution!". But it won't matter because only power and strength matters, just like in the animal kingdom.

this is why some people will always be on the back foot

this absurdly reductionist view of politics

i hear so many idiots say "our rights don't matter, nobody cares about rights anyway," but it's exactly this dismissive attitude that results in the deterioration of their rights

 

[Wellington]

this is why some people will always be on the back foot

this absurdly reductionist view of politics

i hear so many idiots say "our rights don't matter, nobody cares about rights anyway," but it's exactly this dismissive attitude that results in the deterioration of their rights

I see your point.

I'd say the main difference in our worldviews is that you're more focused on viewing politics and government through the lens of rights, laws, the rule of law, etc.

I view it through the lens of society/civilization being a fragile facade that can break at any time and we humans will devolve into chaos and anarchy.

Also I view having power as a great responsibility and if it's in the wrong hands it will be abused and then we will suffer under tyranny. I take into account human nature instead of putting all my faith into "civilization", "the constitution", "the rule of law", etc.

I guess what I'm saying is power can be easily abused and "muh rights" and "muh rule of law" won't mean shit when that happens.

 

[PPEcel]

I see your point.

I'd say the main difference in our worldviews is that you're more focused on viewing politics and government through the lens of rights, laws, the rule of law, etc.

I view it through the lens of society/civilization being a fragile facade that can break at any time and we humans will devolve into chaos and anarchy.

Also I view having power as a great responsibility and if it's in the wrong hands it will be abused and then we will suffer under tyranny. I take into account human nature instead of putting all my faith into "civilization", "the constitution", "the rule of law", etc.

I guess what I'm saying is power can be easily abused and "muh rights" and "muh rule of law" won't mean shit when that happens.

I see laws as constraints not only on individual behaviour but also on institutional behaviour. You imply that I view these constraints as absolute. I do not. I see these constraints as a mechanism that extracts, with some degree of success, reasonably peaceful behaviour from a group of hairless, psychopathic apes.

 

[Wellington]

I see laws as constraints not only on individual behaviour but also on institutional behaviour. You imply that I view these constraints as absolute. I do not. I see these constraints as a mechanism that extracts, with some degree of success, reasonably peaceful behaviour from a group of hairless, psychopathic apes.

I totally agree with you on that.

I'm glad you don't view laws as constraints that are absolute.

 

[Gone Coping]

i'm just trying to ldar here, why these ERs gotta make that more difficult for me

 

[PPEcel]

I totally agree with you on that.

I'm glad you don't view laws as constraints that are absolute.

But I think these constraints are worthwhile and I find it frustrating how many normies have such a poor grasp of what they are.

 

[Sportbro]

That doesn't make sense though because what law will they pass

A don't be average looking law?

People in power can do whatever they fuck with laws
Hate laws for example

 

[Deleted member 776]

From my perspective I see the government as a nameless and faceless bureaucracy that can at any moment abuse their power and usher in an authoritarian dictatorship.

I see "government", especially US & Western governments, as an entity that just can't wait to put its boot on our throats.

These ideals of civilized society, rule of law, democracy and all of that is just garbage. It doesn't really exist in the real world and nowadays US/Western governments don't care about it either.

The only thing that matters is absolute power and ruthlessly executing that power. Once US/Western governments go fully-Orwellian it will be too late. When their boot is on our throat, we can shout "hey what about the rule of law and the constitution!". But it won't matter because only power and strength matters, just like in the animal kingdom.

I agree with your sentiments here mate.

Power is power. If you're white and male the system hates you and wants you dead the the institutions of power all have the same desire - for you to die and they will do whatever they can to further that agenda.

 

[currycel]

This is dumb as fuck. Like you said chads kill their families and others all the time and it's not "terrorism". wtf

I want to make it clear that President Biden has no legal authority to "declare" incels as domestic terrorists, just as former President Trump had no legal authority to "declare" Antifa as domestic terrorists. It would be indeed concerning for Americans if the executive could unilaterally suppress a broad, vague category of speech by executive fiat.

agreed, the government can't do this and probably won't. I think what these people are calling for us a Patriot Act style law that creates entities (DHS?) to regulate incels. which won't happen because frankly the US doesn't have political incentive to fight incels like they do in the middle east (oil?? incels have nothing )

 

[Edmund_Kemper]

Why is the girl especially emphasized?

Because it’s a 3 year old

 

[fheon]

Guy was a fatcel. Really stupid to check out that early in life

 

[PPEcel]

agreed, the government can't do this and probably won't. I think what these people are calling for us a Patriot Act style law that creates entities (DHS?) to regulate incels. which won't happen because frankly the US doesn't have political incentive to fight incels like they do in the middle east (oil?? incels have nothing )

I mean, this just isn't possible in the U.S. The federal courts would extremely quickly quash any attempts to create a register of domestic terrorist organisations. It wouldn't even be close. It's not a legally ambiguous matter.

And even in the U.K. or Canada where lists of terrorist organisations can be applied to both domestic and international actors; I mean, incels aren't an organisation, or an entity, by any legal sense of the word. It's a decentralized online subculture at best -- I'm getting "the hacker known as 4chan" vibes here.

 

[Deleted member 3385]

He actually posted on reddit, he never posted on this forum

why doesn't the police shut down reddit.

 

[PPEcel]

He actually posted on reddit, he never posted on this forum

why doesn't the police shut down reddit.

Why are people so obsessed with shutting everything down JFL

 

[kungfulord]

Why is the girl especially emphasized?

Because was just a child of 3 years old

 

[Emba]

They used to make good cars, Plymouth did....

I used to get paid to drive a Plymouth back in the 90s... Good Times, bon temps.... Mi!

 

[SchrodingersDick]

There goes whatever gun “rights” UKcels still had left.

 

[Wellington]

I agree with your sentiments here mate.

Power is power.

Thanks brocel

 

[SaintElliotRodger]

RIP young KING every incel should hit F right fucking now to pay respect. Like Lord Saint Elliot of the house Hapa, first of his name, king of the betas and the first gentlemen, lord of the incels, protector of the supreme realm, he went out like a GOD. No rape, no escort max, no phaggy tiem, no compromise, no surrender.

 

[JestER]

Welp, time to praise our new Saint

 

[Remaincel]

he killed a 3 year old kid WTF otherwise it would be based

 

[Mecoja]

He was an incel at least self identified blackpilled incel virgin, like you said motives are unknown, there's no evidence this was planned in advance, it seem more like impulsive reaction by something personal, not taking revenge against society or system. Redditors were happy this happened, they were drinking champagne while collecting karma points.

 

[Deleted member 35561]

It is what it is, these faggots won't stop projecting whatever bullshit they could think of onto us. If you were a loser as a kid you will always be a loser when you grow up, nothing's really gonna change about it. And what does the soyciety do about losers? They treat them like shit, making them feel bad about themselves and then they act as the fucking victims when those losers go ER. If only the soyciety would give a fuck about us like making solutions for the evergrowing celibacy as well as loneliness and the soyciety will also stop treating us like shit or bully us. Fucking retards as always they will never learn from their own mistakes, sooner or later a lot of people like us will go ER because of how much we're supressed from this clown world and it's really just a matter of time. We're the ticking time bombs.

 

[mericks]

We should start holding normies responsible every time a sexhaver commits murder. Clearly nonvirgins are a terror organization. When will the government finally do something about all these sexhavers committing murder?

 

[AllejDon]

He was clearly not all there, and had had bad experiences in his life that had fucked him up. Sadly people are going to lean hard into trying to make it a political thing.

Yeah, people (normies) are already dismissing the obvious mental health issues in the picture here, which also most likely was the main cause of the attack, making the attack political and placing the sole motive on the incel ideology and on nothing else. What these stupid normies don’t realize is that this does absolutely nothing to make things better, and will just make more young guys feel outcasted and more worthless, they feel blamed for stuff, and that will just fuel more potential ERs.

 

[Deleted member 6329]

Is it really an incel shooting if he killed an equal amount of men and women?

 

[erenyeager]

Virgin man = Terrorist

Virgin man bad.

 

[PPEcel]

Is it really an incel shooting if he killed an equal amount of men and women?

ER killed more men than foids but it doesn't stop the edgelords from kissing his dead ass

 

[Nemesis]

Virgin man bad.

Get a sex incel, just instal a tinder

 

[erenyeager]

Get a sex incel, just instal a tinder

Tinder Is what caused this apocalypse in the first place

 

[Nemesis]

Tinder Is what caused this apocalypse in the first place

I know, that's an obvious joke

 

[erenyeager]

I know, that's an obvious joke

I know. But damn tinder RUINED MY FUTURE.

 

[Nemesis]

I know. But damn tinder RUINED MY FUTURE.

It ruined every sub 8 future

 

[erenyeager]

It ruined every sub 8 future

I am 5'3 I am no sub 8

 

[Emba]

I have a rock on my roof...

So technically, i live under a rock.

 

[Deleted member 36028]

ER killed more men than foids but it doesn't stop the edgelords from kissing his dead ass

Yeah! ER was bad! Let's say that so we can cater to normies who want us dead!