Serious Please explain the logic "only virgin are incels" to me

[Inbuddhist]

Let's say someone had had girlfriends and sex when he was 18 and norwood 1, and was considered a 6.5 on looks.

But at 21 years old he's full bald, looks like shit, is considered a 3/10 by girls.

How the hell isn't that incel ? Just because when he had compleeetely different looks he could attract women ? And you can't say "21 years old full bald" is the age pill, only 2% of people at that age are bald.

 

[Moustachcel]

Not incel because he had sex. Truecels never had any kind of sex

 

[Deleted member 12256]

You are still an incel imo, but you had tasted the other side so it's not fair for people who haven't.
It's very complicated it's virgins vs non virgins. Both are right in their own mind....both suffer the same atm.

 

[LDARBuddah]

Very true OP

 

[StormlitAqua]

he is not incel because he received sex and validation during his formative years, which will allow him to grow into a healthy adult from a mental health and maturity standpoint.

 

[Hoez4life]

You are still an incel imo, but you had tasted the other side so it's not fair for people who haven't.
It's very complicated it's virgins vs non virgins. Both are right in their own mind....both suffer the same atm.

With that logic all older men are incels including married men who stopped having sex with their wives. Can we call everyone who desires sex but couldn’t get it for a certain amount of time like a year an incel ?

 

[tiredofthisshit]

he still had sex which makes him more valuable to women

 

[Inbuddhist]

With that logic all older men are incels including married men who stopped having sex with their wives. Can we call everyone who desires sex but couldn’t get it for a certain amount of time like a year an incel ?

But all the old men have less sex.

Only 2% of people are bald at 21 years old. Thats still the age where people date and have sex

 

[Deleted member 12256]

With that logic all older men are incels including married men who stopped having sex with their wives. Can we call everyone who desires sex but couldn’t get it for a certain amount of time like a year an incel ?

Well look all i am saying is, you could be normal and turn ugly. Like Op said. In that case i consider him an incel. And being an incel had nothing do to with sex. Incels can have sex whenever they want , PAY FOR IT. (it's still sex though)

 

[Deleted member 5861]

not incel. A bunch of normies go through that.

 

[Cuyen]

he still had sex which makes him more valuable to women

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Let's say someone had had girlfriends and sex when he was 18 and norwood 1, and was considered a 6.5 on looks.

But at 21 years old he's full bald, looks like shit, is considered a 3/10 by girls.

How the hell isn't that incel ? Just because when he had compleeetely different looks he could attract women ? And you can't say "21 years old full bald" is the age pill, only 2% of people at that age are bald.

You are still an incel imo, but you had tasted the other side so it's not fair for people who haven't.
It's very complicated it's virgins vs non virgins. Both are right in their own mind....both suffer the same atm.

Well look all i am saying is, you could be normal and turn ugly. Like Op said. In that case i consider him an incel. And being an incel had nothing do to with sex.

 

[NorthWesterncel]

Let's say someone had had girlfriends and sex when he was 18 and norwood 1, and was considered a 6.5 on looks.

But at 21 years old he's full bald, looks like shit, is considered a 3/10 by girls.

How the hell isn't that incel ? Just because when he had compleeetely different looks he could attract women ? And you can't say "21 years old full bald" is the age pill, only 2% of people at that age are bald.

There’s no explanation. I agree with you
Even tho isn’t even my case

 

[ICanOnlyFapToBDSM]

if you're 18 and slay you don't suddenly turn into as truecel ogre at 21.

I understand having lost your virginity or had sex a few times but if you were ever a "slayer" or had multiple gfs/hookups you aren't, cannot and never will be an incel unless you're horribly disfigured in an accident, but even that is bullshit because then you can pull the "I'm hideously ugly so my opinion is more important than everyone else" card.

 

[Inbuddhist]

if you're 18 and slay you don't suddenly turn into as truecel ogre at 21.

I understand having lost your virginity or had sex a few times but if you were ever a "slayer" or had multiple gfs/hookups you aren't, cannot and never will be an incel unless you're horribly disfigured in an accident, but even that is bullshit because then you can pull the "I'm hideously ugly so my opinion is more important than everyone else" card.

You underestimate the power of hairloss.

It can legit take you from a 6 to a 3. Especially for young people.

(Btw i never talked about me, and the person in question was never a slayer, never said he was. But even a slayer can turn into ugly with hairloss, it depends on the bonestructure, some slayers would really look ugly without hair )

 

[The End]

It gets ridiculous with people trying to one-up each other on the pathetic-ness scale. But that's the nature of the beast.

I know a guy who lost his virginity at 29 years old. He only got to do it a 3 times before she left him: 2 times he had sex he couldn't get hard, and the 1 time he did get an erection he came right away. It's 10 years later and despite his efforts has never had another woman. Fakecel, right?

 

[Inbuddhist]

It gets ridiculous with people trying to one-up each other on the pathetic-ness scale. But that's the nature of the beast.

I know a guy who lost his virginity at 29 years old. He only got to do it a 3 times before she left him: 2 times he had sex he couldn't get hard, and the 1 time he did get an erection he came right away. It's 10 years later and despite his efforts has never had another woman. Fakecel, right?

Totally this.

 

[fred_herbert]

Maybe because having sex validates that your genes are worthy of reproduction. Eeven tho he might be fucked up now, his genes are still the same. While an true incel (genetic incel) who never got laid knows its due to his genetics.

 

[Inbuddhist]

Maybe because having sex validates that your genes are worthy of reproduction. Eeven tho he might be fucked up now, his genes are still the same. While an true incel (genetic incel) who never got laid knows its due to his genetics.

They are not the same as they were perceived because now they include "premature balding" and no woman wants that.

 

[Henry de Montherlant]

if you're 18 and slay you don't suddenly turn into as truecel ogre at 21.

And if he did anyway, he would still be a fakecel tbh

 

[Total Imbecile]

If you can have sex at least once then by induction you can have sex again

If you can have sex youre obviously not incel

 

[Life Wasted]

How hard is this to understand. Incel = someone who has never had sex despite wanting to.

At least you got to experience what it was like. Try being a 27 year old virgin, never even having kissed a girl or held her hand much less gotten laid. This is my reality, gtfo of here with this fakecel shit.

It infuriates me when someone who has gotten laid before calls themself incel. I dont care how long ago it was, you got what I never will.

 

[Deleted member 12256]

How hard is this to understand. Incel = someone who has never had sex despite wanting to.

At least you got to experience what it was like. Try being a 27 year old virgin, never even having kissed a girl or held her hand much less gotten laid. This is my reality, gtfo with this fakecel shit.

It infuriates me when someone who has gotten laid before calls themself incel. I dont care how long ago it was, you got what I never will.

Pay for it, it wont make you a slayer or attractive being virgin or non virgin. Nor it will unmake you an incel, It's the same fucking thing. For the last time Incels can be both virgins and non virgins.

 

[Total Imbecile]

How hard is this to understand. Incel = someone who has never had sex despite wanting to.

At least you got to experience what it was like. Try being a 27 year old virgin, never even having kissed a girl or held her hand much less gotten laid. This is my reality, gtfo of here with this fakecel shit.

It infuriates me when someone who has gotten laid before calls themself incel. I dont care how long ago it was, you got what I never will.

B-but at least they know how it feels now and what theyre missing out on so their pain is 1000x times ours! Its just like how being a 7/10 is much harder than being a 3/10 since at least you know its over if youre a 3!

 

[lastchancel]

Let's say someone had had girlfriends and sex when he was 18 and norwood 1, and was considered a 6.5 on looks.

But at 21 years old he's full bald, looks like shit, is considered a 3/10 by girls.

How the hell isn't that incel ? Just because when he had compleeetely different looks he could attract women ? And you can't say "21 years old full bald" is the age pill, only 2% of people at that age are bald.

You are an incel NOW, but you weren't, which means you don't quite feel the isolation and loneliness of an eternally loveless incel like most people, myself included, have on this forum.

 

[Total Imbecile]

Pay for it, it wont make you a slayer or attractive being virgin or non virgin. Nor it will unmake you an incel, It's the same fucking thing. For the last time Incels can be both virgins and non virgins.

When we talk about nonvirgin "incels" we almost exclusively refer to those who are not civilian virgins. I feel almost no resentment towards civilian virgins, but nonvirgins claiming they are incel infuriate me, just go to lookism, there you can claim to be a virgin again if you dont get laid in 3 days

 

[Inbuddhist]

You are an incel NOW, but you weren't, which means you don't quite feel the isolation and loneliness of an eternally loveless incel like most people, myself included, have on this forum.

For the 100 time i'm not talking about myself.

So do you think someone going from 21 years sold to 28 of loneliness would feep waaaaaay better because he had sex at 18 ?

 

[lastchancel]

For the 100 time i'm not talking about myself.

So do you think someone going from 21 years sold to 28 of loneliness would feep waaaaaay better because he had sex at 18 ?

absolutely

how do you think that someone who only has the ability to IMAGINE sex feels???? Its fucking horrible, let me just tell you that. Much worse than having had it, at least then i'd know what it's like and i could call myself a non-virgin. Being a virgin male is soul crushing, someone that had plenty of sex at 18 but has become incel with time, doesn't have even 1% of the hardship of a permavirgin incel IMO.

 

[_incelinside]

Inceldom is simply being too ugly to get laid for a extended period of time. You don't necessarily have to be a virgin although most are. People try and overcomplicate it but really inceldom is
ugliness + extended celibacy

 

[Inbuddhist]

absolutely

how do you think that someone who only has the ability to IMAGINE sex feels???? Its fucking horrible, let me just tell you that. Much worse than having had it, at least then i'd know what it's like and i could call myself a non-virgin. Being a virgin male is soul crushing, someone that had plenty of sex at 18 but has become incel with time, doesn't have even 1% of the hardship of a permavirgin incel IMO.

So, if i follow your logic, because you had fun when you were a child, you can't feel soul-crushing boredom now ?

 

[Total Imbecile]

For the 100 time i'm not talking about myself.

So do you think someone going from 21 years sold to 28 of loneliness would feep waaaaaay better because he had sex at 18 ?

Going from 21 to 28 without getting laid (even thought you can because getting laid once means you can get laid again) is nothing compared to turning 28 and still being a virgin

Sure you might be incel, just like how a woman can be incel because she doesnt date guys who are unattractive or who watch porn

There are forums out there for that kind of inceldom

 

[VisVoi]

Would you say that a former Chad is incel his looks fade at 60?

 

[lastchancel]

So, if i follow your logic, because you had fun when you were a child, you can't feel soul-crushing boredom now ?

as far as I can recall, I didn't have loads of sex as a child, apples and oranges


also this clearly is about you, but you don't want a bragging ban tbh tbh

 

[Flabcel Repulsive]

You're getting hung up on the specific example in this thread, which in my opinion wasn't very good actually. For instance, baldness isn't a serious detriment to your mating value. Face and height is lot more important.

But yes, in a general sense, the OP is actually correct and most of you are wrong.

Incel means involuntary celibate, that is a man who wants to have sex on a regular basis, but is perpetually denied this for whatever reason. It's all it means. It does not mean "virgin", hopeless loser, devout blackpill follower of St. Elliott, or whatever.

This is actually important, because as such the term contrasts with a normie world where it is taken for granted that everyone who wishes to have an active sex life is completely able and free to attain it (our whole society is built on this premise), especially normie women for whom such a worldview is so obvious it's beyond discussion. So it makes for just comparison without a lot of ideological or habitual baggage thrown in (which they use to explain away our condition, pretending inceldom is our own fault due to us being extremist and "creepy" etc, and not the other way around).

 

[Inbuddhist]

as far as I can recall, I didn't have loads of sex as a child, apples and oranges


also this clearly is about you, but you don't want a bragging ban tbh tbh

You didn't answer my question.

Obviously you didn't have sex, but since your logic seems to implie that having one experience of something 10 years ago would leed to never feeling a soul-crushing need of that something, i asked you "Do you never feel bored because you had fun when you were 12 years old" ? I didn't say "do you never feel ugly/lonely etc"

Do you think that ONE CONSENSUAL SEXUAL EXPERIENCE will make you feel content even if afterwards you were to live the life of an incel ?

 

[Flabcel Repulsive]

Going from 21 to 28 without getting laid (even thought you can because getting laid once means you can get laid again) is nothing compared to turning 28 and still being a virgin.

Actually it doesn't. I got laid once at 25, and it never happened again. Total anomaly, although I naturally didn't believe or wanted to believe it at the time. This took place in 1996. Before a lot of members of this forum were even born.

 

[lastchancel]

You didn't answer my question.

Obviously you didn't have sex, but since your logic seems to implie that having one experience of something 10 years ago would leed to never feeling a soul-crushing need of that something, i asked you "Do you never feel bored because you had fun when you were 12 years old" ? I didn't say "do you never feel ugly/lonely etc"

Do you think that ONE CONSENSUAL SEXUAL EXPERIENCE will make you feel content even if afterwards you were to live the life of an incel ?

More content then if I had never had it, yes. As I previously explained. You are saying "fun as a child" as a broad statement, whereas sex is a specific activity, it isn't comparable. Sex is a biological need that has been denied to us for (for most of us) our entire lives, people that had sex in their life simply don't experience the same problems as permavirgins. Also you are ridding yourself of the virgin label.

I already know you are going to brush this off and say "Yeah but that was the past!!! I haven't This theoretical person hasn't had sex since!! It's just like having fun as a child!"

It's nothing like that, and you know it isn't. You don't get a name branded to you if you didn't have fun as a kid, you don't get devalued as a person for not having fun as a kid, and you don't get shamed or insecure about not having fun as a kid.

 

[VST]

He would've been pre-selected and thus has value in the eyes of women, the opposite is true for the rest of us.
If he went bald he can always just get a HT.

 

[Inbuddhist]

More content then if I had never had it, yes. As I previously explained. You are saying "fun as a child" as a broad statement, whereas sex is a specific activity, it isn't comparable. Sex is a biological need that has been denied to us for (for most of us) our entire lives, people that had sex in their life simply don't experience the same problems as permavirgins. Also you are ridding yourself of the virgin label.

I already know you are going to brush this off and say "Yeah but that was the past!!! I haven't This theoretical person hasn't had sex since!! It's just like having fun as a child!"

It's nothing like that, and you know it isn't. You don't get a name branded to you if you didn't have fun as a kid, you don't get devalued as a person for not having fun as a kid, and you don't get shamed or insecure about not having fun as a kid.

I didn't ask about people perception, you can also tell them you aren't a virgin, i agree that virgins are perceived worse than people who had sex just one time.

I disagree that a life with loneliness/rejection with sex just one time is significantly better than a life of a virgin.

 

[Colin]

It gets ridiculous with people trying to one-up each other on the pathetic-ness scale. But that's the nature of the beast.

I know a guy who lost his virginity at 29 years old. He only got to do it a 3 times before she left him: 2 times he had sex he couldn't get hard, and the 1 time he did get an erection he came right away. It's 10 years later and despite his efforts has never had another woman. Fakecel, right?

How did he meet her?

 

[lastchancel]

I didn't ask about people perception, you can also tell them you aren't a virgin, i agree that virgins are perceived worse than people who had sex just one time.

I disagree that a life with loneliness/rejection with sex just one time is significantly better than a life of a virgin.

people's negative perceptions of you make life worse.

we'll have to agree to disagree then.

 

[Barbados Slim]

This site even says having sex does not mean your not an incel. You could of been a chad in your early years, got into a horrible disfiguring accident, and now your an incel. No woman will touch you.

 

[Inbuddhist]

Yeah but you got to experience the life we didnt

But nobody says someone who never had sex have it WORSE.

We are just saying he can be considered an incel too, a priviligied incel compared to other truecels, but still an incel.

people's negative perceptions of you make life worse.

we'll have to agree to disagree then.

"Significantly" is the key word here. I agree that those who never had sex have it worse, just that with years of loneliness/sexlesness you are also an incel, a more priviligied incel than a truecel, sure, but still incel.

 

[The End]

How did he meet her?

Okcupid.com

She was a big slut, and already had sex with about 40 guys. She was also fat, ugly, and with severe mental disorders. She never showed any enthusiasm about sex (with him) -- it was more she let him have sex with her, as some sort of perfunctory part of buying her meals, etc. The relationship lasted about 6 weeks; all the time she was lusting over other guys, and saying they should be in an open-relationship.

Then she broke up with him over the phone. And so ended the near-40 year old's one and only relationship.