People who try to moralize WW2 from either side are retarded

[Castaway]

The truth is that both the Axis and the Allies, especially the Soviets, were "evil" by normgroid moral standards. There is nothing more tedious than seeing people try to apply morality to war. The Third Reich was responsible for the deaths of millions of defenseless people as were the Allies. Who honestly gives a shit? People die in war. I hate how moralizers always try to be self-righteous by pretending to care about the deaths of innocents, when in reality they only issue their moral condemnations because they are politically opposed to the state that commits them. They are always silent on the so-called crimes committed by the side they identify with, be it the Third Reich or the US and Britain in WW2.

 

[Emba]

The world lost ww2

 

[Horatio Alger]

I could care less about any war crimes committed by any of the Great Powers in WW2

However, what I do care about is the total annihilation of the Third Reich and Fascist Italy (the birthplace of Fascism) committed by the Allies, dealing a mortal blow to the legitimacy of Fascism when it could have been a viable alternative model of modernity to Liberal Democracy.

The ensuing American political hegemony in Western Europe onwards in the post war world order would ensure the slow transition of the Spanish and Portuguese right wing states into conventional conservative dictatorships that relied on church and monarchy for political legitimacy (as the state could no longer rely on palingenetic nationalism alone in the face of America's overwhelmingly liberal ideological influence)

The victory of the Western Allies would ensure the perpetual victory of Democracy (Communism was never a viable alternative to Liberal Democracy in the first place) as Europe would now lack the preconditions for a genuine Fascist movement (Fascism was never a politically viable movement in America due to the lack of a Feudalist Past according to Louis Hartz, which meant the destruction of Fascism in Western Europe would spell doom to the single major political ideology that showed potential as an alternative model for the future)

 

[Castaway]

I could care less about any war crimes committed by any of the Great Powers in WW2

However, what I do care about is the total annihilation of the Third Reich and Fascist Italy (the birthplace of Fascism) committed by the Allies, dealing a mortal blow to the legitimacy of Fascism when it could have been a viable alternative model of modernity to Liberal Democracy.

The ensuing American political hegemony in Western Europe onwards in the post war world order would ensure the slow transition of the Spanish and Portuguese right wing states into conventional conservative dictatorships that relied on church and monarchy for political legitimacy (as the state could no longer rely on palingenetic nationalism alone in the face of America's overwhelmingly liberal ideological influence)

The victory of the Western Allies would ensure the perpetual victory of Democracy (Communism was never a viable alternative to Liberal Democracy in the first place) as Europe would now lack the preconditions for a genuine Fascist movement (Fascism was never a politically viable movement in America due to the lack of a Feudalist Past according to Louis Hartz, which meant the destruction of Fascism in Western Europe would spell doom to the single major political ideology that showed potential as an alternative model for the future)

I agree, I think the Axis powers were the last great bulwark of Western civilization against liberal plutocracy and Bolshevism. They should have won the war, but I hate how people today try to rewrite history to make it more appealing to the moral sensibilities of normies by saying that the Allies were in fact "evil" because they murdered civilians in a Total War and the Axis powers were "good" and never did anything wrong, which is no different from the mainstream boomer narrative that the Allies were "good" and the Axis powers were "evil". All of these concerns about morality are disingenuous and a sign of weakness because they show that they conform with the established morality of the modernity.

 

[Horatio Alger]

I could care less about any war crimes committed by any of the Great Powers in WW2

However, what I do care about is the total annihilation of the Third Reich and Fascist Italy (the birthplace of Fascism) committed by the Allies, dealing a mortal blow to the legitimacy of Fascism when it could have been a viable alternative model of modernity to Liberal Democracy.

The ensuing American political hegemony in Western Europe onwards in the post war world order would ensure the slow transition of the Spanish and Portuguese right wing states into conventional conservative dictatorships that relied on church and monarchy for political legitimacy (as the state could no longer rely on palingenetic nationalism alone in the face of America's overwhelmingly liberal ideological influence)

The victory of the Western Allies would ensure the perpetual victory of Democracy (Communism was never a viable alternative to Liberal Democracy in the first place) as Europe would now lack the preconditions for a genuine Fascist movement (Fascism was never a politically viable movement in America due to the lack of a Feudalist Past according to Louis Hartz, which meant the destruction of Fascism in Western Europe would spell doom to the single major political ideology that showed potential as an alternative model for the future)

There have been multiple studies that show political repression has miniscule effects on economic growth rates inside a state, the most economically advanced Communist state, East Germany, was also the most repressive one with the ubiquitous presence of the Stasi, and the Xinjiang Autonomous Region of modern China has shown growth rates that are comparable to its neighboring provinces despite implementing politically repressive measures that would make North Korea look like a haven of freedom in comparison. The same could be said for Imperial Japan and her colonies, showing impressive growth rates even during wartime, not to mention that both Taiwan and South Korea were dictatorships during the period of their economic miracles. The key here is that the repressive dictatorship NOT implement a top down Command Economy that stifles economic productivity (East Germany did have a small but not insignificant private sector)

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https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/coep.12597

and scientific advances are not significantly impeded either even in Totalitarian States due to the overwhelmingly political neutral nature of research, and even if such a state purges scientists, such as Jewish scientists in Nazi Germany or talented managers in the USSR, they are almost always replaced by a crop of equally competent colleagues. The Kaiser Wilhelm Society was able to replace its brilliant Jewish scientists with equally brilliant German scientists, several of whom would win Nobel Prizes for their work during WW2 after Nazi Germany was defeated. Furthermore, even in cases where entire scientific fields are suppressed, like biology in the USSR or "Jewish" mathematics and physics in Nazi Germany, such policies are rarely systematic and permanent, as Lysenkoism was dropped after the death of Stalin and Aryan Mathematics in favor of actual Mathematics were gradually deemphasized as the Nazi leadership realized the importance of research

https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article-pdf/18/2/125/691718/isec.18.2.125.pdf

Surviving the Swastika

Surviving the Swastika examines scientific research under National Socialism through the prism of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society for the Advancement of the Sciences, a semi-private umbrella organization which founded and maintained institutes for basic scientific research. Home to over twenty...

books.google.com

 

[blackpillednigga]

it reminds me of how much the American revolution was rewritten to sound more dramatic and a battle between freedom fighters and brits. when in reality it was just british colonizers wanting lower taxes jfl

 

[Horatio Alger]

There have been multiple studies that show political repression has miniscule effects on economic growth rates inside a state, the most economically advanced Communist state, East Germany, was also the most repressive one with the ubiquitous presence of the Stasi, and the Xinjiang Autonomous Region of modern China has shown growth rates that are comparable to its neighboring provinces despite implementing politically repressive measures that would make North Korea look like a haven of freedom in comparison. The same could be said for Imperial Japan and her colonies, showing impressive growth rates even during wartime, not to mention that both Taiwan and South Korea were dictatorships during the period of their economic miracles. The key here is that the repressive dictatorship NOT implement a top down Command Economy that stifles economic productivity (East Germany did have a small but not insignificant private sector)

Amazon.com

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/coep.12597

and scientific advances are not significantly impeded either even in Totalitarian States due to the overwhelmingly political neutral nature of research, and even if such a state purges scientists, such as Jewish scientists in Nazi Germany or talented managers in the USSR, they are almost always replaced by a crop of equally competent colleagues. The Kaiser Wilhelm Society was able to replace its brilliant Jewish scientists with equally brilliant German scientists, several of whom would win Nobel Prizes for their work during WW2 after Nazi Germany was defeated. Furthermore, even in cases where entire scientific fields are suppressed, like biology in the USSR or "Jewish" mathematics and physics in Nazi Germany, such policies are rarely systematic and permanent, as Lysenkoism was dropped after the death of Stalin and Aryan Mathematics in favor of actual Mathematics were gradually deemphasized as the Nazi leadership realized the importance of research

https://direct.mit.edu/isec/article-pdf/18/2/125/691718/isec.18.2.125.pdf

Surviving the Swastika

Surviving the Swastika examines scientific research under National Socialism through the prism of the Kaiser Wilhelm Society for the Advancement of the Sciences, a semi-private umbrella organization which founded and maintained institutes for basic scientific research. Home to over twenty...

books.google.com

All of this is to say that Fascism could have been a viable alternative model of modernity since it never implemented an inefficient economic structure like the Marxist Leninist Regimes

there are also studies that show that that private companies in Nazi Germany had significant leeway in negotiating government contracts and managing microeconomic affairs (on the firm level)

 

[Emba]

The world lost ww2