people keep saying "nazis should've won WWII" but even if they won, they would've lost anyways

[blackpillednigga]

their economy was inefficient, their authoritarian government would've lead to massive unrest and disobedience eventually, and most germans didnt actually care much about race. nazism or fascism was like the bandage rather than a permanent solution to their problems. thats why I think even if they "won" as in prevented the allies from interfering they would've imploded anyways and the allies would still win the long term battle.

the soviet union surviving the cold war didnt prevent its collapse either. this is why any dictatorship government doesn't work, and the ones that still exist today have either made a lot of reforms and loosened their laws or they heavily suppress their citizens (like north korea)

 

[thespanishcel]

Ackhyually Hitler could have won the war if he listened to his generals, 1 tiger 4 Sherman, mg42, stg44, wunderwaffe am I right???

 

[LeFrenchCel]

Even if Nazis would somehow win the war and stabilize itself, many Nazi supporters today would have been discriminated or killed at some point

 

[DarkStar]

many Nazi supporters today would have been discriminated or killed at some point

@wereq @KILLEVERYLASTCURRY

 

[Castaway]

I disagree. China today has an authoritarian socialist system combined with ethnocentrism and, apart from a few internal problems, functions quite smoothly. I could imagine the German Reich reforming itself into a one-party authoritarian republic after the Second World War following Hitler's death and continuing National Socialism pragmatically into the 21st century.

 

[AutistSupremacist]

Don't you think the National Socialists would just have to make huge reforms similar to China under Deng Xiaoping? I'm not sure how natsoc political theory works but would og natsocs deem it as revisionism and riot?

 

[DarkStar]

Even if Nazis would somehow win the war and stabilize itself, many Nazi supporters today would have been discriminated or killed at some point

I don't buy the "muh nazis would have killed uglies" thing, since I mean just look at guys like Goebbels or Himmler who would be posting here today.

For Autism, the way they understood it then was very different. To be classified as Autistic by them, you would have had to have been so gone you aren't even cognizant. Though ofc, they would have learned more about it, and maybe have found a way to prevent it or deal with it in some way.

I disagree. China today has an authoritarian socialist system combined with ethnocentrism and, apart from a few internal problems, functions quite smoothly.

It's not an exact 1:1 comparison, but yeah solid point.

China is also less homogenous.

 

[wereq]

 

[AutistSupremacist]

wait what race are you?

 

[Defetivecuckachu]

Hitler's idea of organizational leadership was to let his top tier guys compete ruthlessly for his favor.

That seemed to work for him, as he was still top dog in 1945 when Zhukov rolled into town, 24 years after he became party leader.

But we'll never know how much longer he would have lasted if the war had been a success for them.

The by-product of his leadership style was that the way his dudes competed with each other was by building up their own institutional power bases. Bormann in particular was very powerful in the organization by the end. If the public started to lose confidence in Hitler then he could have been the one to oust him. But would Germany have carried on as a loyal one-party ethno state without Hitler's charismatic x-factor?

 

[DarkStar]

But would Germany have carried on as a loyal one-party ethno state without Hitler's charismatic x-factor?

I think it would have tbh:

China today has an authoritarian socialist system combined with ethnocentrism and, apart from a few internal problems, functions quite smoothly. I could imagine the German Reich reforming itself into a one-party authoritarian republic after the Second World War following Hitler's death and continuing National Socialism pragmatically into the 21st century.

 

[blackpillednigga]

I disagree. China today has an authoritarian socialist system combined with ethnocentrism and, apart from a few internal problems, functions quite smoothly. I could imagine the German Reich reforming itself into a one-party authoritarian republic after the Second World War following Hitler's death and continuing National Socialism pragmatically into the 21st century.

china had to go through several reforms to the point where they no longer enforce or practice their ideology and are communist in name only. and china is not really race-focused. ethnocentric =! racist like nazis. and you have to remember that a vast majority of people aren't obsessed with race and just care if they have a roof to live under. so eventually people would've demanded to dismantle the racist policies and at the least would've viewed it as a waste of resources

 

[NeverGetUp]

I don't buy the "muh nazis would have killed uglies" thing, since I mean just look at guys like Goebbels or Himmler who would be posting here today.

I don't know about that man, I feel like this is cope. Nazis would most likely call people like us Untermensch

 

[blackpillednigga]

I don't know about that man, I feel like this is cope. Nazis would most likely call people like us Untermensch

yeah. at this point people are coping and creating an imaginary version of nazis that are sympathetic to genetic subhumans lol

 

[DarkStar]

I don't know about that man, I feel like this is cope. Nazis would most likely call people like us Untermensch

Ok come on now, "untermensch" was to do with people who were druggies, alcoholics, low-lives, criminals, etc. that's what the term originally meant

And like I said, look at tons of them.

There is literally no evidence at all the Nazis would have killed others for being ugly. Yes, the propaganda was "chad worship" but let's not be disingenuous now, look at the Soviets, the Allies, literally every country or ideology has used "chad worship" in its propaganda

 

[DarkStar]

yeah. at this point people are coping and creating an imaginary version of nazis that are sympathetic to genetic subhumans lol

And at this point, you people are coping that somehow communism would mean we all can NEET all day.

That's such a weak argument, is there literally any proof they would have killed anyone ugly? No. And as I said literally look at your own ideologies propaganda.

 

[blackpillednigga]

Ok come on now, "untermensch" was to do with people who were druggies, alcoholics, low-lives, criminals, etc. that's what the term originally meant

And like I said, look at tons of them.

There is literally no evidence at all the Nazis would have killed others for being ugly. Yes, the propaganda was "chad worship" but let's not be disingenuous now, look at the Soviets, the Allies, literally every country or ideology has used "chad worship" in its propaganda

nazis specifically worshipped chad for being chad. soviets used chad figures in many of their propagandas but they dont actually idolize strong jaw, tall height, blonde hair, etc

 

[NeverGetUp]

Ok come on now, "untermensch" was to do with people who were druggies, alcoholics, low-lives, criminals, etc. that's what the term originally meant

And like I said, look at tons of them.

There is literally no evidence at all the Nazis would have killed others for being ugly. Yes, the propaganda was "chad worship" but let's not be disingenuous now, look at the Soviets, the Allies, literally every country or ideology has used "chad worship" in its propaganda

Tbf I haven't read much about Nazis but to me it would make sense if they weren't exactly sympathetic towards uglies and autists just based on all the blonde Aryan chad worship

 

[blackpillednigga]

Tbf I haven't read much about Nazis but to me it would make sense if they weren't exactly sympathetic towards uglies and autists just based on all the blonde Aryan chad worship

the truth is every white supremacist (not white nationalist) idolizes white chad. every one of their propagandas they use chad figures. theres a reason why this figure is used in a lot of /pol/ memes

ironically the people making these memes are genetic dead ends. actual white chads dont care about race

 

[KILLEVERYLASTCURRY]

and you have to remember that a vast majority of people aren't obsessed with race and just care if they have a roof to live under. so eventually people would've demanded to dismantle the racist policies and at the least would've viewed it as a waste of resources

You don’t need to be “race-obsessed” to support ethnonationalism, you just need to be anti-immigration/multiculturalism to. And your claim that most of Germany wasn’t during Hitler’s time is completely baseless and contradictory to fact. Even fucking post-WW2 Britain during the time Enoch Powell was giving his speeches was mostly anti-immigrant according to polling data from the time.

Also, why do you think people would have “demanded to dismantle the racist policies?” Do you seriously think the developed world’s move towards social progressivism is entirely or even mostly organic? Sounds weird for a guy that claims to be JQpilled. The idea that such policies would have been seen as a “waste of resources” is also ridiculous, as border control is actually less expensive than mass migration. Even mass deportation is less expensive than mass migration—immigrant rights firms in America claim that deporting a million people a year would cost taxpayers $88 billion annually, yet data from the Federation for Immigration Reform shows that the migrant crisis currently costs taxpayers $150 billion annually. Ethnostatism unironically pays for itself lmao

 

[KILLEVERYLASTCURRY]

wait what race are you?

He’s curry. Self-hating curry

I don't buy the "muh nazis would have killed uglies" thing, since I mean just look at guys like Goebbels or Himmler who would be posting here today.

I don't know about that man, I feel like this is cope. Nazis would most likely call people like us Untermensch

yeah. at this point people are coping and creating an imaginary version of nazis that are sympathetic to genetic subhumans lol

Sterilizations of the deformed did happen in Nazi Germany, but “deformed” in this case referred to people with actual debilitating deformities, not stuff like short heights or recessed chins. There’s no basis for the belief that the Nazis would’ve carried out hardcore PSL eugenics; it was only the SS autistically run by Himmler that controlled for Chad features (and they were controlled for due to being believed as indicators of European purity, not for being aesthetically pleasing)

 

[weaselbomber]

their economy was inefficient, their authoritarian government would've lead to massive unrest and disobedience eventually, and most germans didnt actually care much about race.

that was never the point. The whole point is to provide security and safety and a stable social environment for Germans. That's literally all anyone will ever ask for and the Nazis were completely and fully aware of this
their economy also wasn't "inefficient" otherwise they wouldn't have been able to pump out enough military equipment for so long, only really falling apart once core Germany began being occupied and bombed

 

[weaselbomber]

their authoritarian government would've lead to massive unrest and disobedience eventually,

This is the most retarded Francis Fukuyama tier take I've seen
Then how are China, North Korea, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia still around?

 

[DarkStar]

the truth is every white supremacist (not white nationalist) idolizes white chad. every one of their propagandas they use chad figures. theres a reason why this figure is used in a lot of /pol/ memes

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ironically the people making these memes are genetic dead ends. actual white chads dont care about race

I think it's more used in a "that's literally me" way

Look at some of the fictional guys we use like taxi driver, blade runner, etc. those guys are chads but in some kind of underdog male position.

I'd rather have this than foid worship, at least it's focusing on males.

nazis specifically worshipped chad for being chad.

Correction, they idolized a Nordic-phenotype as well as having high-IQ(they also tested for this) & being physically adapt(strength which matters more than looks ofc)

soviets used chad figures in many of their propagandas but they dont actually idolize strong jaw, tall height, blonde hair, etc

I agree no one should be mistreated on the basis of looks, but the Nazis wanted to practice eugenics/breeding so that most people could reach that stage.

Again, it also had more to do with IQ, mental state, physical strength, etc.

Sterilizations of the deformed did happen in Nazi Germany, but “deformed” in this case referred to people with actual debilitating deformities, not stuff like short heights or recessed chins. There’s no basis for the belief that the Nazis would’ve carried out hardcore PSL eugenics; it was only the SS autistically run by Himmler that controlled for Chad features (and they were controlled for due to being believed as indicators of European purity, not for being aesthetically pleasing)

This also.

This is the most retarded Francis Fukuyama tier take I've seen
Then how are China, North Korea, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia still around?

Exactly, the Nazis also had more support at various points than these regimes.

 

[blackpillednigga]

You don’t need to be “race-obsessed” to support ethnonationalism, you just need to be anti-immigration/multiculturalism to. And your claim that most of Germany wasn’t during Hitler’s time is completely baseless and contradictory to fact. Even fucking post-WW2 Britain during the time Enoch Powell was giving his speeches was mostly anti-immigrant according to polling data from the time.

Also, why do you think people would have “demanded to dismantle the racist policies?” Do you seriously think the developed world’s move towards social progressivism is entirely or even mostly organic? Sounds weird for a guy that claims to be JQpilled. The idea that such policies would have been seen as a “waste of resources” is also ridiculous, as border control is actually less expensive than mass migration. Even mass deportation is less expensive than mass migration—immigrant rights firms in America claim that deporting a million people a year would cost taxpayers $88 billion annually, yet data from the Federation for Immigration Reform shows that the migrant crisis currently costs taxpayers $150 billion annually. Ethnostatism unironically pays for itself lmao

well anti-immigration or even not wanting non-whites in your country isn't what nazism was entirely about. it was also about discriminating those that were not specifically aryan, racial genocide, invading other countries, etc. modern neo-nazis are nothing like the sophisticated og nazis. and me recognizing zionism as a dangerous and powerful movement doesn't mean that I'm an ally to white nationalist causes so no, it's not weird at all

that was never the point. The whole point is to provide security and safety and a stable social environment for Germans. That's literally all anyone will ever ask for and the Nazis were completely and fully aware of this
their economy also wasn't "inefficient" otherwise they wouldn't have been able to pump out enough military equipment for so long, only really falling apart once core Germany began being occupied and bombed

invading neighbor countries and having this entire racial hierarchy doesnt provide security and safety. I have a feeling you just support nazism because it's "cool". look I hate jews too but nazism is just outdated and not the right solution to our cause

This is the most retarded Francis Fukuyama tier take I've seen
Then how are China, North Korea, Eritrea, Saudi Arabia still around?

china did several silent economic reforms in response to the tiannamon square protests, north korea is extremely suppressive to the citizens, idk what eirtrea is and i dont have time to search it up, and saudi arabia is doing a lot of democratic reforms as well and actually isnt as authoritarian as you think

 

[KILLEVERYLASTCURRY]

well anti-immigration or even not wanting non-whites in your country isn't what nazism was entirely about. it was also about discriminating those that were not specifically aryan, racial genocide, invading other countries, etc.

It was about securing an homeland for the “Herrenvolk” (Germanic people), so it was ethnonationalist ultimately. “Aryan” was used in a Pan-European sense, so the only group within Germany being discriminated was the Jews. The whole “Lebensraum” idea for why Barbarossa happened is a lie:


Concentration camps took resources to run, yes. But they were seen as a necessity for the greater good of the country, and I’m doubtful they costed German taxpayers more than mass migration would lol

 

[KILLEVERYLASTCURRY]

and me recognizing zionism as a dangerous and powerful movement doesn't mean that I'm an ally to white nationalist causes so no, it's not weird at all

Didn’t say you not being an ally to WNs was weird. I said it was weird that you claim to be JQpilled yet stated that Germans would have eventually “demanded to dismantle the [Reich’s] racist policies,” as if you believe the societal transition to social progressivism in the West was organic and would have happened even without Jewish influence

 

[blackpillednigga]

It was about securing an homeland for the “Herrenvolk” (Germanic people), so it was ethnonationalist ultimately. “Aryan” was used in a Pan-European sense, so the only group within Germany being discriminated was the Jews. The whole “Lebensraum” idea for why Barbarossa happened is a lie:


Concentration camps took resources to run, yes. But they were seen as a necessity for the greater good of the country, and I’m doubtful they costed German taxpayers more than mass migration would lol

the idea of ethnonationalism would naturally lead to a lot of conflicts and wars that people would rather not take part in. history has shown this countless times

Didn’t say you not being an ally to WNs was weird. I said it was weird that you claim to be JQpilled yet stated that Germans would have eventually “demanded to dismantle the [Reich’s] racist policies,” as if you believe the societal transition to social progressivism in the West was organic and would have happened even without Jewish influence

well reality is more complicated than you think. while jewish capitalists played a role it's also a result of development and wealth. religion and traditional fades away as people seek hedonistic pleasure over moral obligation. the individualistic culture in the west is really the main culprit, and this culture was promoted by the native whites

 

[fullofchagrin]

would not have mattered as long as they exterminated the jews

 

[KILLEVERYLASTCURRY]

the idea of ethnonationalism would naturally lead to a lot of conflicts and wars that people would rather not take part in. history has shown this countless times

Imperialism leads to even more conflicts and wars than ethnonationalism does, yet look how long America's survived, look how long Rome survived, etc. Japan is not de jure ethnonationalist but look how long they've maintained both peace and racial homogeneity post-WW2, only opening up to mass migration now due to labor shortages. Also, wars as a result of ethnonationalism are primarily secessionist conflicts, like the Yugoslav wars, Chechen wars, etc. The Reich did engage in invasions motivated by ethnonationalism, but they were meant to reclaim bordering areas predominantly populated by ethnic Germans, like Austria, Sudetenland, etc.

well reality is more complicated than you think. while jewish capitalists played a role it's also a result of development and wealth. religion and traditional fades away as people seek hedonistic pleasure over moral obligation. the individualistic culture in the west is really the main culprit, and this culture was promoted by the native whites

Whether economic development inherently contributes to liberalization is another debate to be had, but there are plenty of examples in very recent history from East Asia to the Gulf Arab countries that show you can be economically developed and not have a self-hating population and suicidal border policies. The situation in modern America, for instance – where nearly half of the white population actively and zealously fight for their own demographic replacement – is unprecedented in history and would not have existed without white guilt indoctrination

 

[blackpillednigga]

Imperialism leads to even more conflicts and wars than ethnonationalism does, yet look how long America's survived, look how long Rome survived, etc. Japan is not de jure ethnonationalist but look how long they've maintained both peace and racial homogeneity post-WW2, only opening up to mass migration now due to labor shortages. Also, wars as a result of ethnonationalism are primarily secessionist conflicts, like the Yugoslav wars, Chechen wars, etc. The Reich did engage in invasions motivated by ethnonationalism, but they were meant to reclaim bordering areas predominantly populated by ethnic Germans, like Austria, Sudetenland, etc.

imperialism mainly worked because the country was extremely rich and in a geographically advantaged location. not every country fits those criteria. and those secessionist conflicts would not happen if the different people there were not treated like shit. japan is homogenous but theres no systematic law that segregates non-japanese people and abuses them, for example. and the truth is ethnic groups will always claim your random territory as their land so these wars would be inevitable and pointless. also you need to know that the average joe HATES war. their country would have to be in a really dire situation to wanna fight as the aggressor of a conflict

Whether economic development inherently contributes to liberalization is another debate to be had, but there are plenty of examples in very recent history from East Asia to the Gulf Arab countries that show you can be economically developed and not have a self-hating population and suicidal border policies. The situation in modern America, for instance – where nearly half of the white population actively and zealously fight for their own demographic replacement – is unprecedented in history and would not have existed without white guilt indoctrination

while "self-hating" isn't an accurate term those regions you're describing are already on their way to being socially progressive, it's just more gradual. and I would say the "guilt" is more exclusive to whites because they have a long ass history of colonization and conquering that no other race can compete with. I'm not saying that guilt is justified, but it does make a lot of sense and isn't some jewish conspiracy

 

[KILLEVERYLASTCURRY]

imperialism mainly worked because the country was extremely rich and in a geographically advantaged location. not every country fits those criteria.

And how does this take away from my point about imperialism leading to more wars and conflicts than ethnonationalism? You literally stated at the end of this same paragraph that prosperity makes people more likely to oppose war:

and those secessionist conflicts would not happen if the different people there were not treated like shit.

I think you’ve lost the plot about what you were trying to argue in the first place lol. Secessionism is the most likely kind of ethnonationalism to cause wars, why are you arguing in favor of it?

japan is homogenous but theres no systematic law that segregates non-japanese people and abuses them, for example.

Yeah but the Japanese/Yamato ethnicity remains the demographic hyper-majority since the country stayed mostly closed to unskilled labor and asylum migration. So it’s still an example of a country that maintained more or less closed borders alongside economic development, only opening up now due to a labor shortage.

and the truth is ethnic groups will always claim your random territory as their land so these wars would be inevitable and pointless.

Mostly unsupported claim. Invasions to reclaim territory motivated (mostly or in part) by ethnicity tend to happen when the territory in question is predominantly populated by the invader’s ethnicity. Examples include the Third Reich’s invasion of Sudetenland, Austria, etc. (predominantly populated by ethnic Germans) or Russia’s invasions of Crimea and the Donbass (predominantly Russophone areas of Ukraine).

while "self-hating" isn't an accurate term those regions you're describing are already on their way to being socially progressive, it's just more gradual.

In very large part due to external influence from America & the West. Japan and South Korea are US satellite states, and the Gulf countries are liberalizing to attract Western businesses and investment in order to diversify their primarily oil-based economies. This influence can’t be ignored as a confounding factor.

and I would say the "guilt" is more exclusive to whites because they have a long ass history of colonization and conquering that no other race can compete with. I'm not saying that guilt is justified, but it does make a lot of sense and isn't some jewish conspiracy

Them having the most extensive colonial history is irrelevant because they aren’t the only group with an extensive colonial history. Where is this guilt complex in Arabs, Turks, Japs, or Mongolians? They celebrate their imperialists, not live in shame of them

 

[KILLEVERYLASTCURRY]

Ngl this thread would’ve been better had you argued something like:

Even if the Allies never involved themselves in German-Polish Danzig negotiations (allowing the NSDAP to annex all German-speaking regions and implement its planned political reforms), economic trends towards globalization would’ve forced Nazi Germany to eventually increase its workforce by expanding female participation, leading to a birth rate decline, leading to an eventual labor shortage, forcing Germany to open its borders within 100 years and causing a collapse of the Nazi ideology.

Whether the above argument is overall plausible or not, it’s a lot more so than the idea that the Germans would’ve become leftards and rebelled against their racist authoritarian government. Would’ve also led to a more interesting discussion

 

[Based NaziCel]

wait what race are you?

He’s a curryroach

 

[Based NaziCel]

To be honest, you sound like some jewtard soy from reddit but let’s assume that you’re somehow “right”

First of all, The economy of a nazi commonwealth in Europe would work just fine (St. Adolf wanted to enforce a new world order were there is neither capitalism nor communism and other retarded ideologies).I’m saying that the economy would actually work well because St. Adolf wasn’t economically left wing at all.Actually, he believed that the market economy is still a valid economic system but it needed to be regulated so kikes cannot do everything they want but he was neither a commie at all.

The part with citizens being “supressed” was the most cucked thing that I’ve read on this forum evER.Foids and normies need to be supressed in the first place so they do not become evil and degenerates.I’ve stopped reading since I read that shit but it wasn’t anything to read anymore from your thread so I didn’t lost anything.

 

[Anarcho Nihilist]

If Hitler had won, the Germans, as a people, would have become the largest people on earth. Perhaps there would be as many of them as there are many Han Chinese now. Nothing would have threatened the German people in its existence, although even the Slavs would have suffered, as Hitler would have driven them to the Asian part of Russia (the Urals, Siberia) because he believed that ethnic Germans could manage this land better than Slavs. There is a little truth in this: damn it, even under communism in eastern Europe, Germans from the GDR had a higher standard of living than Poles, Czechs, Bulgarians, and even more so Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians, although the system was the same everywhere: communism and a planned economy.