Blackpill People don't protest against what they're insecure/ angry about unless they have no choice (fat people who cant lose weight for example)

[Pinpoint]

Protesting something is self debasing. Implicitly self minimizing when you're putting yourself out there as a victim.
The premise of blacks protesting is that their race has many halos (which they do) that whites don't recognize. Voila, some truth, they may not all be high iq but in sports they rule professionally due to weed-out mechanics. Whites have substantial value. But blacks have speed AND strength.

Most people do not protest being anti-redneck because it makes you come off nu-male, and implies you have a connection with rednecks.
People want to portray themselves in the most dignifiable light possible. People who hate rednecks will want to cap out on white privilege circles and act liberal leftist instead.

Fat people, blacks, etc. a lot of them have no pressure valve so they just swallow their pride and go along with the crowd of their kind. But if they had the chance to not be something they'd be insecure about, with no way to pretend to be otherwise in sight then they'd probably want to upscale being less so "whiners". Whining eliminates your vibe of winning.


Most leftist whites virtue signal to (naively) gain halo effect value.

 

[Arch Anemone]

Fat people having a choice is something people say but it isn't scientific proven in the least.

 

[Pinpoint]

Fat people having a choice is something people say but it isn't scientific proven in the least.

elaborate

 

[Mik_TFL]

Fat people having a choice is something people say but it isn't scientific proven in the least.

It's literally called the 1st law of Thermodynamics

 

[Arch Anemone]

It's literally called the 1st law of Thermodynamics

Exactly unscientific people who say such things don't understand the science the are spewing.

The causality of calories in vs calories out is still in contention.

For example just today there was this article on espn who had chess grandmasters burning 6000 calories a day, three times normal consumption, without moving.

Is that a choice they make to become thin? Should we put all fat people on the Grandmaster diet?

 

[Mik_TFL]

Exactly unscientific people who say such things don't understand the science the are spewing.

The causality of calories in vs calories out is still in contention.

For example just today there was this article on espn who had chess grandmasters burning 6000 calories a day, three times normal consumption, without moving.

Is that a choice they make to become thin? Should we put all fat people on the Grandmaster diet?

The brain is by far the most energy consuming organ in the body, no surprise there.

It's not even about calories in vs calories out, even though it can also be calculated like that.
It is mass in vs mass out, as long as that mass comes from the constituents of fat.

Any human in rest consumes about 100watts, mostly due to heat loss since you are 37°C andyour environment is usually cooler (you'll still consume energy cooling yourself if the environment is warmer, using water evaporation in the form of sweat)

The biology goes like this: you breath in O2, and your body metabolizes the carbohydrates available (either from food or stored fat) along with that O2 into H2O and CO2, which you exhale. That's how the fat exits your body, in the form of CO2 and H2O

So, as long as you are breathing, if you don't take and carbohydrates/fat in (but do take minerals/vitamins and water that your body still needs) you will lose weight

 

[Arch Anemone]

The brain is by far the most energy consuming organ in the body, no surprise there.

It's not even about calories in vs calories out, even though it can also be calculated like that.
It is mass in vs mass out, as long as that mass comes from the constituents of fat.

Any human in rest consumes about 100watts, mostly due to heat loss since you are 37°C andyour environment is usually cooler (you'll still consume energy cooling yourself if the environment is warmer, using water evaporation in the form of sweat)

The biology goes like this: you breath in O2, and your body metabolizes the carbohydrates available (either from food or stored fat) along with that O2 into H2O and CO2, which you exhale. That's how the fat exits your body, in the form of CO2 and H2O

So, as long as you are breathing, if you don't take and carbohydrates/fat in (but do take minerals/vitamins and water that your body still needs) you will lose weight

Yeah all you need to be weathly is spend less than you earn. See when you use that analogy the "choice" breaks down. Because there are many factors that control dollars in and dollars out. Nobody contends this on how to be wealthy. Shouldn't we all be millionaires then? It's easy. Why aren't you a millionaire?

It the factors inside that matter. And the factors inside aren't all on our control.

 

[Mik_TFL]

Yeah all you need to be weathly is spend less than you earn. See when you use that analogy the "choice" breaks down. Because there are many factors that control dollars in and dollars out. Nobody contends this on how to be wealthy. Shouldn't we all be millionaires then? It's easy. Why aren't you a millionaire?

It the factors inside that matter. And the factors inside aren't all on our control.

Your analogy doesn't work because the amount of money going in isn't as easily controllable for most people, while the amount going out is (above a fairly easily achievable minimal threshold).

This is not the case for food. While you don't have much control on how efficient you body is at absorbing food, or how the fat will end up distributed in your body, you have a 100% control on what you put in your mouth. The minimum amount of energy a human body expends is only dependent on his surface area, temperature difference to the environment, ambient humidity and average wind speed around the skin.

The formula of sugar is: C12H22O11, that is 42.11% carbon, 6.48% hydrogen, and 51.41% oxygen by mass,
an average person exhales about 1kg / 2.3lb of CO2 per day, this one will vary from person to person, but not dramatically
CO2 is 27.29% carbon
Not all carbohydrates we eat are in the form of sugar, but most are. However, almost all the carbon we exhale comes from those carbohydrates, which means, just by breathing your body would expend ~ 1kg * 0.2729 * (1/0.4211) = 0.648 kg / 1.43lb of sugar carbohydrates per day.

Absolutely anyone can lose weight given the right diet. That most don't have the diligence to stick to it is another problem.

 

[Orkcel]

Fat people having a choice is something people say but it isn't scientific proven in the least.

Show me a fat jew in Auschwitz. People who don't eat and are active for long enough will not be fat I guarentee it not implying that's a healthy way to lose weight, but point remains. Fat storage and such has a genetic factor, I am a rigorous gymcel and breaking 15% even 20% bodyweight would take a level of starvation for me basically, but this idea that anyone is doomed to being a 700 pound landwhale because of genetic factors is retarded.

 

[TINMAN]

the only way in which genetics has an impact on weight is a genetic predisposition to overeating

 

[Arch Anemone]

Show me a fat jew in Auschwitz. People who don't eat and are active for long enough will not be fat I guarentee it not implying that's a healthy way to lose weight, but point remains. Fat storage and such has a genetic factor, I am a rigorous gymcel and breaking 15% even 20% bodyweight would take a level of starvation for me basically, but this idea that anyone is doomed to being a 700 pound landwhale because of genetic factors is retarded.

At Auschwitz people were sorted out after they got off the train. Do you think they didn't separate out the fatties with the women and children? Of course you didn't see any fatties at Auschwitz is because they gassed them already. Stupid argument.

Oh the reason you don't look like The Rock is because of genetics, but it's impossible for someone to be 700 pounds of the same reason.

How convenient you have an excuse and they don't.

the only way in which genetics has an impact on weight is a genetic predisposition to overeating

There is also a genetic predisposition to how much you burn and how easy it is.

Genetics play a larger role than we like to admit.

 

[Orkcel]

At Auschwitz people were sorted out after they got off the train. Do you think they didn't separate out the fatties with the women and children? Of course you didn't see any fatties at Auschwitz is because they gassed them already. Stupid argument.

Oh the reason you don't look like The Rock is because of genetics, but it's impossible for someone to be 700 pounds of the same reason.

How convenient you have an excuse and they don't.

There is also a genetic predisposition to how much you burn and how easy it is.

Genetics play a larger role than we like to admit.

Look, I'm just saying for example I've water fasted for days at a time, and from my anecdotal evidence and common sense I can't imagine not losing weight doing this(yet again there are better ways). Is losing weight harder for some people due to genetic factors for fat distribution and addictive behavior, yes, you only really start to run in to these hard barriers at high levels of competing though, it's why no matter how hard I train I can never beat Usain Bolt, but if I trained for a year straight and he sat on a coach and played Fortnite for a year straight then at the very least you'd have a much closer race. You can't ascribe everything to genetics, the man bellow I guarantee you overeats. Maybe 1 out of a million people are born with some severe genetic disorder I'm not aware of that inhibits their bodies metabolic system from properly processing food at all, but they're an anomaly and don't explain why the majority of Amerilards are obese(definetly has nothing to do with the McDonalds they can't stop eating) and why obesity has been increasing over recent decades. You seem to be attributing an individual's fat composition as a purely hereditary trait like facial bone structure or something, when in actuality most traits are more nuanced. You're saying that because you weren't born with perfect pitch that you simply can't develop your ear whatsoever, as if lifestyle choices have no influence on body fat percentage which I'm pretty sure no one serious or otherwise would agree with you on.

 

[starystulejarz]

Water fasting works for a while and then you may stagnate in weight loss just like i did, i lost 23kg and now i'm stuck at 87kg for a month. Exercising doesn't help much since it increase metabolism and fat burn by 15% (even tho i still exercise and walk a lot). I guess stress (cortisol) may be reason why i'm plateau.

 

[Orkcel]

Water fasting works for a while and then you may stagnate in weight loss just like i did, i lost 23kg and now i'm stuck at 87kg for a month. Exercising doesn't help much since it increase metabolism and fat burn by 15% (even tho i still exercise and walk a lot). I guess stress (cortisol) may be reason why i'm plateau.

After losing the 23kg do you estimate you are still 40% bodyfat or greater?..... there is a level of fat that is nearly impossible to attribute purely to genes..... 87kg isn't really overweight for most heights I wouldn't think. Also based fellow slavcel neet

 

[starystulejarz]

After losing the 23kg do you estimate you are still 40% bodyfat or greater?..... there is a level of fat that is nearly impossible to attribute purely to genes..... 87kg isn't really overweight for most heights I wouldn't think. Also based fellow slavcel neet

idk i still have beer belly, my face looks much better with less fat tho i'm still invisible to foids, i'm doing fasting every day only eating once a day (omad) and i'm cold as fuck most of the day unless i exercise every 2-3hs i doubt it's sustainable in a long term

 

[mylifeistrash]

I'd protest every aspect of how men are treated if it actually did any good.

But doing so in 2019 will probably just put you on a terrorist watch list.

 

[Arch Anemone]

Look, I'm just saying for example I've water fasted for days at a time, and from my anecdotal evidence and common sense I can't imagine not losing weight doing this(yet again there are better ways). Is losing weight harder for some people due to genetic factors for fat distribution and addictive behavior, yes, you only really start to run in to these hard barriers at high levels of competing though, it's why no matter how hard I train I can never beat Usain Bolt, but if I trained for a year straight and he sat on a coach and played Fortnite for a year straight then at the very least you'd have a much closer race. You can't ascribe everything to genetics, the man bellow I guarantee you overeats. Maybe 1 out of a million people are born with some severe genetic disorder I'm not aware of that inhibits their bodies metabolic system from properly processing food at all, but they're an anomaly and don't explain why the majority of Amerilards are obese(definetly has nothing to do with the McDonalds they can't stop eating) and why obesity has been increasing over recent decades. You seem to be attributing an individual's fat composition as a purely hereditary trait like facial bone structure or something, when in actuality most traits are more nuanced. You're saying that because you weren't born with perfect pitch that you simply can't develop your ear whatsoever, as if lifestyle choices have no influence on body fat percentage which I'm pretty sure no one serious or otherwise would agree with you on.

Why did all the sudden we decided in the past few decades to overeat?

If we were such masters of control for millions of years and now all the sudden every day a person has to gorge themselves?

If you say genetics as little influence as it does why destroy to rest of your life for like a Twinkie. It doesn't makes sense to. Our addictions haven't changed in 300 years.

The problem is thin people ezpoloate how much they eat, and say well if I'm eating this much this guy is three times the size of me he must be eating three times as much! That's the only explaination because I only see them every so often and they aren't eating a huge amount now they must secretly going home and eating a cow.

That's the level of evidence you are working with. Your only explaination is gluttony due to your ignorance.

No matter how many studies I link that show a clear link to genetics, people just want to hate fat people in the same way people like to hate ugly people.

I could expect it from normies. But here we should understand there are many paths not in our control, and this is just another one.

The science of it not being a choice is there.

I for someone who "loves food" I would take a pill and never eat again. Even if that pill kept me at my fattest. I would take that pill in a heartbeat. As long as I didn't have to touch food or drink ever again and feel not hungry nor full. Just normal.

I hate food I wouldn't miss it one bit. But I can only stave off the physical pain by eating a certain amount when I can't stand the physical pain of putting it off longer.

I played American football. I used to hit guys 6'6 350lbs for fun. I have never felt a pain from football like I do resisting the feeling to eat. It isn't even a contest. I would rather run around all day, go though grueling practice than feel the pain that I've felt everyday of my life. Exercising more than 99 percent of my peers growing up did nothing for me. I could run faster than people half my weight. I could run longer and harder too. But I was still fat, it didn't look like I did anything. All my life I've been resisting food.

When I hear people say they forget to eat? I wish I could forget to eat. If I don't eat my body lets me know it. Doesn't matter where I am or what I am doing. Can't eat right now? I have to feel the pain growing stronger and stronger till it becomes the most unbearable pain I have ever felt. I've ripped off my toenails and haven't been on this much pain. I've been punched in the face from behind and that was cake compared to the pain I feel everyday.

I've gone two weeks without eating to try and get it to stop.

I've tried big meals, I've tried little meals throughout the day. I've sat in my bed with tears in my eyes desperately trying to ignore the pain for hours upon hours.

I don't drink. I don't smoke. Don't gamble. Never have. I played sports. Somehow I've mustered up self control for those things. Yet it's my fault I feel this agonizing pain everyday?

 

[Orkcel]

Why did all the sudden we decided in the past few decades to overeat?

If we were such masters of control for millions of years and now all the sudden every day a person has to gorge themselves?

If you say genetics as little influence as it does why destroy to rest of your life for like a Twinkie. It doesn't makes sense to. Our addictions haven't changed in 300 years.

The problem is thin people ezpoloate how much they eat, and say well if I'm eating this much this guy is three times the size of me he must be eating three times as much! That's the only explaination because I only see them every so often and they aren't eating a huge amount now they must secretly going home and eating a cow.

That's the level of evidence you are working with. Your only explaination is gluttony due to your ignorance.

No matter how many studies I link that show a clear link to genetics, people just want to hate fat people in the same way people like to hate ugly people.

I could expect it from normies. But here we should understand there are many paths not in our control, and this is just another one.

The science of it not being a choice is there.

I for someone who "loves food" I would take a pill and never eat again. Even if that pill kept me at my fattest. I would take that pill in a heartbeat. As long as I didn't have to touch food or drink ever again and feel not hungry nor full. Just normal.

I hate food I wouldn't miss it one bit. But I can only stave off the physical pain by eating a certain amount when I can't stand the physical pain of putting it off longer.

I played American football. I used to hit guys 6'6 350lbs for fun. I have never felt a pain from football like I do resisting the feeling to eat. It isn't even a contest. I would rather run around all day, go though grueling practice than feel the pain that I've felt everyday of my life. Exercising more than 99 percent of my peers growing up did nothing for me. I could run faster than people half my weight. I could run longer and harder too. But I was still fat, it didn't look like I did anything. All my life I've been resisting food.

When I hear people say they forget to eat? I wish I could forget to eat. If I don't eat my body lets me know it. Doesn't matter where I am or what I am doing. Can't eat right now? I have to feel the pain growing stronger and stronger till it becomes the most unbearable pain I have ever felt. I've ripped off my toenails and haven't been on this much pain. I've been punched in the face from behind and that was cake compared to the pain I feel everyday.

I've gone two weeks without eating to try and get it to stop.

I've tried big meals, I've tried little meals throughout the day. I've sat in my bed with tears in my eyes desperately trying to ignore the pain for hours upon hours.

I don't drink. I don't smoke. Don't gamble. Never have. I played sports. Somehow I've mustered up self control for those things. Yet it's my fault I feel this agonizing pain everyday?

The thing about obesity increasing through the decades is probably more related to what people are eating compared to how much people are eating I'd imagine, though people with certain addictive eating habits probably have it worse now in a time when most production foods are chock full of additive sugars and other processed addictive materials, but that's really not here nor there.

If you say genetics as little influence as it does why destroy to rest of your life for like a Twinkie. It doesn't makes sense to. Our addictions haven't changed in 300 years.

Okay you're genetically predisposed to addictive behavior and food is seemingly your crutch I get it. The reason someone might eat a box of twinkies despite it destroying their life or whatever is because they're probably addicted to sugars(something which was much harder to acquire in both wild and agricultural societies in comparison to today), but that doesn't mean they aren't destroying themselves eating boxes of twinkies much the same way a heroin addict or a smoker isn't destroying themselves through their habit. Addictions aren't rational, but they also aren't entirely involuntary genetically deterministic things.

Ultimately, please link me studie(s) that would indicate weight is an entirely genetic trait and people who are 40% body fat or more would have no effect on there body fat% through lifestyle choices. If you can link me a study that shows lifestyle choices have no effect whatsoever on weight in adulthood then I'd be interested to continue the discussion. You seem to be implying weight is as genetically deterministic as something like post-developmental stages facial bone structure, if you can find anything rigorous and accredited to agree with that I'll be in shock because I've never heard anyone imply such a thing.

 

[Homoculus]

We know live in the only time and place where it's a survival negative to eat whatever you can, when you can. The only time and place where food flavors and textures have been deliberately manipulated to seem like they have high nutritional value when they are cheap, empty calories.

 

[Anon313]

At Auschwitz people were sorted out after they got off the train. Do you think they didn't separate out the fatties with the women and children? Of course you didn't see any fatties at Auschwitz is because they gassed them already. Stupid argument.

Oh the reason you don't look like The Rock is because of genetics, but it's impossible for someone to be 700 pounds of the same reason.

How convenient you have an excuse and they don't.

There is also a genetic predisposition to how much you burn and how easy it is.

Genetics play a larger role than we like to admit.

There is also the fact they we exist in a universe completely governed by cause and effect thus disproving any notion of free will. A fat person did not “choose” to be fat because they never had an option in the first place.

 

[Homoculus]

There is also the fact they we exist in a universe completely governed by cause and effect thus disproving any notion of free will. A fat person did not “choose” to be fat because they never had an option in the first place.

Quantum Physics suggests otherwise.