Blackpill Our species was never supposed to let foids dictate when and with whom sex happens

[Mainländer]

Foids are WAY lower T than men.

Foids like validation 100 times more than they like sex.

Foid's standards for genuine sexual attraction (to the point they're initiating it, or not offering any resistance at all) are astronomically high.

Foids are not nearly as assertive as men are.

Just take a look at lesbian relationships. They barely have sex. We are letting our western societies collapse because we've forbidden men from doing their job.

In barbarism, men compete among each other and then push foids for sex. This is the natural state of humans, in which Darwinism can be fully applied, because you gotta be strong, healthy and assertive, characteristics that help you survive in nature. Looks barely had anything to do with it.

In civilization, men decided that the best way for society to thrive is each man only claiming one female to himself and building a family with said female. Females barely had any say on when and with whom marriage or sex would happen, so, again, looks barely had anything to do with it.

But now we're reached a point where western men got crazy and decided that women are in charge of everything and sex/marriage will only happen when they decide it will. But because of the female characteristics cited in the beginning of the post, this can't work well.

Looks are everything in the current state of things, but such state of things isn't natural. If you're ugly but can push foids for sex, their bodies will naturally yield to you. Women get wet and have orgasms when raped.

If looks were the primary factor for men to have access to reproduction throughout history, things like baldness would be gone from the genepool FOR AGES. And it's not, in fact, it's fucking everywhere. Such things only matter now because foids are in charge, which is completely antinatural.

Have you ever seen how mammals close to us reproduce? Cats for instance. I've seen it tons of times. The female cat signals she's in her fertile period (like women do dressing scantily, dancing sensually in public, etc). Male cats just go to them and push for sex until it happens. There's almost invariably resistance from the part of the female cat. The female cat tries to fend off the male cat repeatedly, but It isn't straight up rape, it's just pushing and pushing until it naturally happens.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I unironically think we should have state enforced pair bonding. What is "natural" has uniformly proven itself to be synonymous with cruelty, not to mention, foids use this excuse to justify their hypergamy.

In barbarism, men compete among each other and then push foids for sex. This is the natural state of humans, in which Darwinism can be fully applied, because you gotta be strong, healthy and assertive, characteristics that help you survive in nature. Looks barely had anything to do with it.

Weak men were often killed, so while it's true that facial bones were somewhat irrelevant(only indicators of health, not useful by themselves), strength was the arbiter of survival. I don't think this is any better.

 

[Smallondick]

No thank you! We do not need troglodytes hitting me to have more women.

 

[Mainländer]

I unironically think we should have state enforced pair bonding. What is "natural" has uniformly proven itself to be synonymous with cruelty, not to mention, foids use this excuse to justify their hypergamy.


Weak men were often killed, so while it's true that facial bones were somewhat irrelevant(only indicators of health, not useful by themselves), strength was the arbiter of survival. I don't think this is any better.

No thank you! We do not need troglodytes hitting me to have more women.

I don't support going back to barbarism, I support going back to civilization, in which marriage is enforced and controlled by men.

 

[Smallondick]

I don't support going back to barbarism, I support going back to civilization in which marriage is enforced.

It's just a traditional betabux, it will not change much. And no woman will accept it, if I were one I would not accept it when I can have unlimited options. I did not want to marry an old, pot-bellied old man if I were one. I could be a pot-bellied old man and you recognize that. Or having to put lots of money into bad work to get some foid.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

 

[Mainländer]

It's just a traditional betabux, it will not change much. And no woman will accept it, if I were one I would not accept it when I can have unlimited options. I did not want to marry an old, pot-bellied old man if I were one. I could be a pot-bellied old man and you recognize that. Or having to put lots of money into bad work to get some foid.

Foids are conformists and will accept it if society enforces it.

 

[Smallondick]

It was no wonder you had to feed 10 children with starfish sex every day almost forced from your wife, and she might even like you, but soon the marriage would transpire in friendship with starfish 1x per month.
And one of the reasons for destroying the old system is to control the population in a scenario of industrial revolution 4.0 (which will generate many problems with jobs if the population gets too large), forget about mental trips with this.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

I support going back to civilization in which marriage is enforced.

This won't happen under normal circumstances. The only chance of it would be after a near total, civilization spanning collapse. The traditional idea of marriage is gone, much for the same reason that conservatism is an obsolete position, as there is nothing to conserve. Sure you could advocate going back to a more traditional society, but how? Females make up the majority of the voting population, it's not going to happen though conventional means.

I think the only chance that we have, or maybe that the incels in a few decades will have, is that society will break down unless major changes happen. As at that point the social contract will be rendered meaningless for a large portion of men. Either it forces females to accept state enforced monogamy, gives men an alternative that completely satisfies both emotional and sexual needs, or it crumbles.

 

[Mainländer]

This won't happen under normal circumstances. The only chance of it would be after a near total, civilization spanning collapse. The traditional idea of marriage is gone, much for the same reason that conservatism is an obsolete position, as there is nothing to conserve. Sure you could advocate going back to a more traditional society, but how? Females make up the majority of the voting population, it's not going to happen though conventional means.

I think the only chance that we have, or maybe that the incels in a few decades will have, is that society will break down unless major changes happen. As at that point the social contract will be rendered meaningless for a large portion of men. Either it forces females to accept state enforced monogamy, gives men an alternative that completely satisfies both emotional and sexual needs, or it crumbles.

You're 100% right, I couldn't have said better.

 

[StaroRavager]

Females of any species have always been the gatekeepers of sex. They are the ones who select the most fit males and it’s up to the male to sway their opinion through good genetic quality or resource acquisition

 

[Smallondick]

Monogamy at least the traditional one generated many children, still more on a system that already was in sanitary conditions like those of the babys boomers. In the future with a great automation it will not be necessary that there are women generating for workers. Many low-end jobs will continue, but you will not need so much ..

 

[Mainländer]

Females of any species have always been the gatekeepers of sex. They are the ones who select the most fit males and it’s up to the male to sway their opinion through good genetic quality or resource acquisition

This is bullshit in humans. How would they select anything if it weren't for cucks willing to enforce a state of things where they do?

You're in cavemen times, you're a bald and ugly 6'5 300 pounds man. You just won against your rivals.

Who is stopping you from having sex with the female? Her? Lol.

Monogamy at least the traditional one generated many children, still more on a system that already was in sanitary conditions like those of the babys boomers. In the future with a great automation it will not be necessary that there are women generating for workers. Many low-end jobs will continue, but you will not need so much ..

Bring wars back and the population would be naturally controlled. Not that I like wars, but it's not natural for humans not to have them.

 

[Smallondick]

Bring wars back and the population would be naturally controlled. Not that I like wars, but it's not natural for humans not to have them.

You'd rather have a bomb on you because of foids.

And the hypergamy in Brazil is not even that high and you are NT.

 

[StaroRavager]

This is bullshit in humans. How would they select anything if it weren't for cucks willing to enforce a state of things where they do?

You're in cavemen times, you're a bald and ugly 6'5 300 pounds man. You just won against your rivals.

Who is stopping you from having sex with the female? Her? Lol.

Most people didn’t grow that large back then but to your point, rape certainly occurred back then but it wasn’t simply an act that you could simply do on a whim and walk away unscathed from. Even if we were to take the law out of the equation I doubt you would simply take what you want. You fear retribution and to believe you won’t face it is nothing more than a power fantasy

 

[Mainländer]

You'd rather have a bomb on you because of foids.

No, but it was kinda like today.

Nowadays you gotta be rich and handsome to have access to foids.

Back then you had to be rich and powerful not to have to go to wars.

I doubt you would simply take what you want. You fear retribution and to believe you won’t face it is nothing more than a power fantasy

Even if rape didn't happen that often, the most powerful men controlling sexual access to females did. Females just complied, they needed to to survive.

You, like most people on this site, underrate the conformism of foids. You look at women today and don't realize they're only like that because we let them be. If society enforced different things they'd follow it.

Monogamy at least the traditional one generated many children, still more on a system that already was in sanitary conditions like those of the babys boomers. In the future with a great automation it will not be necessary that there are women generating for workers. Many low-end jobs will continue, but you will not need so much ..

I forgot mentioning modern medicine is also an artificial factor that changes things. Back then, you had lots of kids but only a handful survived.

Unabomber was right, the crazy amount of technological advancement changed us as a species, and for the worst. Things aren't working properly anymore.

 

[Smallondick]

@Mainländer

Even if it happens this will not be overnight and you will not be able to enjoy it.

It is the vexes with the help of viagra.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

You, like most people on this site, underrates the conformism of foids. You look at women today and don't realize they're only like that because we let them be. If society enforced different things they'd follow it.

This is so true, they're the ultimate conformists.

You change a woman's opinion by altering the social consensus, not by bringing her evidence. It's the one saving grace which they possess. Provided the elites mean well(JFL), women are the ideal examples of social conformity, due to their inherent skill at navigating the mire that is society's expectations. This also makes sense, if women weren't adept at this, they'd have been much more vulnerable in the times of our ancestors. They need communication skills to survive.

 

[Mainländer]

@Mainländer

Even if it happens this will not be overnight and you will not be able to enjoy it.

It is the vexes with the help of viagra.

You're right. I don't think things are getting better at all.

 

[ThisLifeKillsMe]

cope. Foids select genes, society supports them.

Why youre thinking rape gets seen worse than murder?

B-b-but muh ptsd

Rape is so worse because the natural selection system got cheated and your bad genes affect multiple generations. Thats why.


Alpha fucks, beta bucks, omega emotional supports.
And everybody protects them from the omega


Alpha = Chad

Beta = Average looking

Omega = incel unnatractive/ugly)

 

[Mainländer]

cope. Foids select genes, society supports them.

Why youre thinking rape gets seen worse than murder?

B-b-but muh ptsd

Rape is so worse because the natural selection system got cheated and your bad genes affect multiple generations. Thats why.


Alpha fucks, beta bucks, omega emotional supports.
And everybody protects them from the omega


Alpha = Chad

Beta = Average looking

Omega = incel unnatractive/ugly)

Your mistake is equating good looks with better genes.

Also, rape being considered worse than murder is a very recent phenomenon. It started with civilization.

 

[Deleted member 14805]

You're right. I don't think things are getting better at all.

Things have to get worse before they get better. Truth be told society will likely fall much like Rome, the declining birth rates,automation,Social media turning people into zombies and so on and so forth it's already collapsing. Sadly when society is completely collapsed, we'll already be in the grave by the time that finally happens. We were born at the worst time of human history, we weren't born in the more traditional era, nor were we born after the collapse of society. So sadly unless some revolution for men just suddenly spring up and crush the gynocentrism in a few short years, we'll just have to find ways to get around these problems as well as cope to mitigate our pain. Sigh we were born at an inconvient time.

 

[Mainländer]

society will likely fall much like Rome

Best day of my life. I hope it happens exactly when I'm in my deathbed. I'll die with a smile.

 

[ThisLifeKillsMe]

Your mistake is equating good looks with better genes.

Also, rape being considered worse than murder is a very recent phenomenon. It started with civilization.

Good facial looks are correlating with better health.

All chads also are tall or atleast average and have a minimum muscular build. The potential is in the genes.

Rape is an act of destruction.

The soldiers of landlords killed the babies, the men and raped the women to destroy the "others" (the other tribe)


Same with the russians who invaded germany.

Rape in marriage didnt exist because the woman already choosed a partner to procreate. Monogamy like it existed back than was a social construct. Monogamy can theoretically exist between a woman and a high genetic quality male but they still want good or even better genes from other males.


Betabuxx relationships are literally prostitution for goods.

Of course they feel a kind of attraction towards them and love. If there wouldnt be a kind of rewarding feeling for it they wouldnt do it. But theyre biggest crave is chads DNA.

 

[DeepSea]

Good facial looks are correlating with better health.
.

There is no consistent evidence that facial attractiveness is correlated with either health or intelligence.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4415372/
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/full/10.1098/rspb.2014.1639

Rape is an act of destruction.

Rape literally gave birth to Rome, which was arguably the greatest civilization in human history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Rape_of_the_Sabine_Women#Story

Rape in marriage didnt exist because the woman already choosed a partner to procreate.

The primate ancestors of humans didn't restrict female sexual choice because they lacked culture, but it's very likely that the earliest human societies already did so. Almost all primitive hunter-gatherer societies that have been studied by anthropologists restricted female sexual choice. It's highly unlikely that women in prehistoric times enjoyed any type of sexual autonomy.

Much of the evolutionary literature on human mating is based on the assumption of extensive female choice during the history of our species. However, ethnographic evidence from foraging societies reveals that, in societies thought to be akin to those of our ancestors, female choice is constrained by the control that parents exercise over their daughters. Data from 190 hunting and gathering societies indicate that almost all reproduction takes place while the woman is married and that the institution of marriage is regulated by parents and close kin

https://www.ehbonline.org/article/S1090-5138(07)00051-7/abstract

 

[shoji]

300 iq

 

[micropenis29]

I don't support going back to barbarism, I support going back to civilization, in which marriage is enforced and controlled by men.

Marriage doesn't need enforced and controlled by anyone. Marriage became a dysfunctional institution precisely because people (women and cucks in this case) were trying to enforce and control it.

We don't need the government to "give men more power" in society. That will only lead to more corruption, more economic stagnation, and more misery in general for both men and women, such as that which we see in islamic countries (FUCK islam btw). Concentrating power is never the answer.

Massive governments are the reason power gets concentrated towards women. Without big governments, women are completely powerless aside from whatever they bring to the table on their own accords.

Every incel, whether he knows it or not, should want to gut the federal government as much as possible.

 

[Mainländer]

Marriage doesn't need enforced and controlled by anyone. Marriage became a dysfunctional institution precisely because people (women and cucks in this case) were trying to enforce and control it.

We don't need the government to "give men more power" in society. That will only lead to barbarism, economic stagnation, and misery for both men and women, such as that which we see in Islamic countries (fuck Islam btw). Concentrating power is never the answer.

Massive governments are the reason power gets concentrated towards women. Without big governments, women are completely powerless aside from whatever they bring to the table on their own accords.

Every incel should want to gut the federal government as much as possible.

Yeah, you're right. I also have anarcho-capitalistic sympathies.

When you think about it, if it weren't for the government forcing shit onto people, most of the problems would be solved. And taxation is also theft of course, especially property taxes.

 

[Cuyen]

fuck modernism tho thats what fucked us

 

[Michael15651]

300 iq

 

[Homoculus]

Things have to get worse before they get better. Truth be told society will likely fall much like Rome, the declining birth rates,automation,Social media turning people into zombies and so on and so forth it's already collapsing. Sadly when society is completely collapsed, we'll already be in the grave by the time that finally happens. We were born at the worst time of human history, we weren't born in the more traditional era, nor were we born after the collapse of society. So sadly unless some revolution for men just suddenly spring up and crush the gynocentrism in a few short years, we'll just have to find ways to get around these problems as well as cope to mitigate our pain. Sigh we were born at an inconvient time.

We are the people to whom Rome fell.