Serious Only way to get revenge on these hoes is to self improve period. No one is gonna help man. As a man you are alone in this mission called life.

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

- Get rich and show it off
- study and get smart
- be more sociable, I have seen ugly guys be sociable even tho women are not intrested in them.
- experiences life and get out of your room so you develop interesting stories
- once rich try looksmaxing there are many good doctors that will get monitory of your hair back but not Nw0
- buy a nice car
- buy a house
- get surgery if you think that will help, if not that’s ok.
- eat better and workout

If you play your cards right and hold on to your anger and resentment and let it motivate you in the right direction then you can come out as a winner on the other end.

Women will notice you once you are 30 if not 40 or if you can achieve success earlier. When they do give you a chance sell them the dream and pump and dump them and never marry. Let some other bluepill cuck have her used up vagina.

You have to continue on your path to success and use these hoes like tissue paper. Maybe if you are rich enough with a lambo you can probably fuck the hot 20 yo gold diggers and discard them after.

And remember to never marry these hoes. If you want to have your own kid then try surrogacy. Buy a 6 feet hot blondes egg and you can maybe have a good looking son and you can blackpill him from start

If this is too much work then you can always sui at 25 or 30. Last thing you need is growing up old living without a purpose and wagecucking just so you can continue supporting your shitty life that you hate so much.

 

[Deleted member 1042]

They say envy is a sin, but I always felt it can be a virtue, a catalyst for positive change.

 

[FrothySolutions]

That's not revenge and that's not winning. My victory can only come through social change.

 

[Joelossus]

Nah, this would require me, to leave my room.

 

[seija]

I completely agree and this goes without saying. Sometimes being selfish is being selfless.

 

[Deleted member 19079]

Nah, this would require me, to leave my room.

kek

 

[Deleted member 6657]

majorcope.gif

The agepill is legit. Only chad has a chance to avoid it and still fuck women after his 30th birthday. On the brightside, moneymaxxing can allow one to fuck escorts or sex dolls/toys.

 

[RollD20]

I wouldn't spend money on them though, even if I was rich, I am not paying for some used roastiehoe.

 

[Deleted member 20434]

They say envy is a sin, but I always felt it can be a virtue, a catalyst for positive change.

literaturecels

 

[Murdoch89]

Would ER on them instead tbh

 

[mylifeistrash]

no offense, but women don't give a shit about another ethnic "money guy".

even if you had a legit billion dollars, you're just another one of those "instagram rich guys" in a sea of them

 

[frustratedhapa]

You sound like a MGTOW coper

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

majorcope.gif

The agepill is legit. Only chad has a chance to avoid it and still fuck women after his 30th birthday. On the brightside, moneymaxxing can allow one to fuck escorts or sex dolls/toys.

No money maxing will help with social circle and status game, once all the high status guys hang with you then girls will come as well and then you can take your pick from there.

I wouldn't spend money on them though, even if I was rich, I am not paying for some used roastiehoe.

You won’t, you’ll just be hosting parties and hoes will just show up cuz they like attention and since it’s your event and you got status then you can have your pick. If they say no then kick them out.

 

[BlkPillPres]

Would ER on them instead tbh

@Reddit_is_for_cucks
Stop coping, that cliche BS - "The best revenge is success" is a fucking cope, become successful for the sake of personal benefit but don't delude yourself into thinking its a form of revenge, you can't "show off" wealth towards women to make them feel bad because at the end of the day they have what you can't buy with money, unlimited access to high quality mates that want to fuck them as much as they want o, and at the end of the day THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT, fucking and reproducing, flaunting wealth doesn't hurt women in the slightest, that is a cope, because women don't need wealth to get the things they want out of life, everything they need is in between their legs from birth

If you want revenge, then you'll have to use your wealth and resources to get actual revenge

For example, you could pay various Chad's and Chadlites to commit fraud at sperm banks, have them go into said establishments and deposit your sample as theirs (they have to be your race of course for the fraud to work)

Via that method you have essentially forced many women to bear your offspring, expecting it to be Chad genetics, only to end up raising an incel (That's what I would do as my revenge), also it has the added bonus of passing on your genes (if you care about that shit)

Or use your wealth for some kind of "doommaxxing" plan:

https://incels.is/threads/doommaxxi...-literally-destroy-a-minecraft-server.130303/

Or use your wealth to cause anarchy in society by paying some hackers to do some shit:

Lets say someone hacked the databases of all hospitals in France (in france its illegal to get a paternity test on your child), and they collected the data that indicated that various children born were not currently being raised by their biological father, and released that data in a nice little alphabetical data dump (show mother, father, child, hospital name and location, date of birth, and finally if it was a genetic match)

Imagine the chaos that would cause

The best ER's will be those THAT BLACKPILL MEN, then you won't need to do a mass shooting, men will go ER all on their own

You have to do something that actually negatively impacts women and society though, else its not revenge and you are just coping, don't conflate success and revenge, they are completely separate, an improvement in your life doesn't ruin the lives of your enemies, there life is still as great as it was before your success and likely has improved too

 

[kingturtle]

So basically, you "self improve" in order to attract foids via betabux? The Only reason a foid will date you is for the money and lifestyle you give her while dating.

So you basically work hard, become rich, and then spend the money on young foids? You call it "pump and dump" as though foids will miss you. In reality they will only be with you for the money you offer. And then the foid will go with another man.

Is this the life you are promoting here? Betabuxing?

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

no offense, but women don't give a shit about another ethnic "money guy".

even if you had a legit billion dollars, you're just another one of those "instagram rich guys" in a sea of them

“In a sea” even if you become a million air which is not that hard if you can push through depression and focus for 5-10 years.

You can get girls orbiting you sure they won’t be stacies but 5-6/10 orbiting girls is still good. Main thing that comes from being rich is social circle and other successful guys.
Once you are at that stage it’s a upward spiral to success

@Reddit_is_for_cucks
Stop coping, that cliche BS - "The best revenge is success" is a fucking cope, become successful for the sake of personal benefit but don't delude yourself into thinking its a form of revenge, you can't "show off" wealth towards women to make them feel bad because at the end of the day they have what you can't buy with money, unlimited access to high quality mates that want to fuck them as much as they want o, and at the end of the day THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT, fucking and reproducing, flaunting wealth doesn't hurt women in the slightest, that is a cope, because women don't need wealth to get the things they want out of life, everything they need is in between their legs from birth

If you want revenge, then you'll have to use your wealth and resources to get actual revenge

For example, you could pay various Chad's and Chadlites to commit fraud at sperm banks, have them go into said establishments and deposit your sample as theirs (they have to be your race of course for the fraud to work)

Via that method you have essentially forced many women to bear your offspring, expecting it to be Chad genetics, only to end up raising an incel (That's what I would do as my revenge), also it has the added bonus of passing on your genes (if you care about that shit)

Or use your wealth for some kind of "doommaxxing" plan:

https://incels.is/threads/doommaxxi...-literally-destroy-a-minecraft-server.130303/

Or use your wealth to cause anarchy in society by paying some hackers to do some shit:


You have to do something that actually negatively impacts women and society though, else its not revenge and you are just coping, don't conflate success and revenge, they are completely separate, an improvement in your life doesn't ruin the lives of your enemies, there life is still as great as it was before your success and likely has improved too

That’s true but the whole point of my post is to sell a dream to 30 girls that you will settle meanwhile you’ll just pump and dump them and waste their time like they wasted our 20s

 

[SuperPerfectCel]

Too difficult and I'm fine with myself as is.

Also foids and Chad don't have to do any of this shit. We're expected to work twice as hard for half the reward.

And suicide is for cucks unless you ER. So no, LDAR is the option.

 

[dyellow]

Nah, this would require me, to leave my room.

 

[Sans]

♪ Why must we slave away just to make a basic living
When Twitch thots make six figures a month just for existing ♪

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

@Reddit_is_for_cucks
Stop coping, that cliche BS - "The best revenge is success" is a fucking cope, become successful for the sake of personal benefit but don't delude yourself into thinking its a form of revenge, you can't "show off" wealth towards women to make them feel bad because at the end of the day they have what you can't buy with money, unlimited access to high quality mates that want to fuck them as much as they want o, and at the end of the day THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT, fucking and reproducing, flaunting wealth doesn't hurt women in the slightest, that is a cope, because women don't need wealth to get the things they want out of life, everything they need is in between their legs from birth

If you want revenge, then you'll have to use your wealth and resources to get actual revenge

For example, you could pay various Chad's and Chadlites to commit fraud at sperm banks, have them go into said establishments and deposit your sample as theirs (they have to be your race of course for the fraud to work)

Via that method you have essentially forced many women to bear your offspring, expecting it to be Chad genetics, only to end up raising an incel (That's what I would do as my revenge), also it has the added bonus of passing on your genes (if you care about that shit)

Or use your wealth for some kind of "doommaxxing" plan:

https://incels.is/threads/doommaxxi...-literally-destroy-a-minecraft-server.130303/

Or use your wealth to cause anarchy in society by paying some hackers to do some shit:


You have to do something that actually negatively impacts women and society though, else its not revenge and you are just coping, don't conflate success and revenge, they are completely separate, an improvement in your life doesn't ruin the lives of your enemies, there life is still as great as it was before your success and likely has improved too

What you said is only true for women age 16-35 and probably 80% of them.

Go sit in a subway in ny and you’ll see women so undesirable that it’s actially a joke. I see these women daily on a bus these old worn out bags.
You act like women are God’s forever but their window only lasts 20 yearsv

 

[dyellow]

We all know the only way to get revenge. AvengERs assemble!

 

[reeve23]

solid advice, but who here has got any motivation after frying their dopamine receptors with vidya/porn and then seeing the whole world against them

 

[BlkPillPres]

That’s true but the whole point of my post is to sell a dream to 30 girls that you will settle meanwhile you’ll just pump and dump them and waste their time like they wasted our 20s

How are you wasting their time by making them do what they were already doing to begin with

This is why it seems like you are coping, you act as if they weren't already being pumped an dumped before you, also you are underestimating women's sadism, they'll probably love that shit, even get off on it, and just go onto the next pumper

For me the entire point of wealthmaxxing is so that I no longer have to really deal with women and no longer have to take part in these sick mind games, I'll just retire to SEA and fuck whores at a discount, what you are doing is counterproductive to the hard work you invested to wealthmax, you are still having to deal with women and play mind games, I'm already tired of that shit in my 20's, you're asking men to wealthmax just to deal with it some more in their 30's and up, that doesn't make sense

One should wealthmaxx so they can stop playing the rigged game entirely and focus completely on personal gain and enjoyment

 

[reeve23]

@Reddit_is_for_cucks
Stop coping, that cliche BS - "The best revenge is success" is a fucking cope, become successful for the sake of personal benefit but don't delude yourself into thinking its a form of revenge, you can't "show off" wealth towards women to make them feel bad because at the end of the day they have what you can't buy with money, unlimited access to high quality mates that want to fuck them as much as they want o, and at the end of the day THAT'S WHAT LIFE IS ABOUT, fucking and reproducing, flaunting wealth doesn't hurt women in the slightest, that is a cope, because women don't need wealth to get the things they want out of life, everything they need is in between their legs from birth

If you want revenge, then you'll have to use your wealth and resources to get actual revenge

For example, you could pay various Chad's and Chadlites to commit fraud at sperm banks, have them go into said establishments and deposit your sample as theirs (they have to be your race of course for the fraud to work)

Via that method you have essentially forced many women to bear your offspring, expecting it to be Chad genetics, only to end up raising an incel (That's what I would do as my revenge), also it has the added bonus of passing on your genes (if you care about that shit)

Or use your wealth for some kind of "doommaxxing" plan:

https://incels.is/threads/doommaxxi...-literally-destroy-a-minecraft-server.130303/

Or use your wealth to cause anarchy in society by paying some hackers to do some shit:


You have to do something that actually negatively impacts women and society though, else its not revenge and you are just coping, don't conflate success and revenge, they are completely separate, an improvement in your life doesn't ruin the lives of your enemies, there life is still as great as it was before your success and likely has improved too

Having Chad genetics doesn't guarantee Chad son, mom genes are the bottleneck is 90% of those cases.

Single mother parenting + womanlet genes = incel 99% of the time

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

So basically, you "self improve" in order to attract foids via betabux? The Only reason a foid will date you is for the money and lifestyle you give her while dating.

So you basically work hard, become rich, and then spend the money on young foids? You call it "pump and dump" as though foids will miss you. In reality they will only be with you for the money you offer. And then the foid will go with another man.

Is this the life you are promoting here? Betabuxing?

I am not saying to sugar daddy.
I am saying when you are in social circle of successful men then you will have women orbiting you cuz you are rich. You take advantage of that and pump and dump them.

Your social media will display success when you got successful ppl around you and you travelling .

 

[reeve23]

How are you wasting their time by making them do what they were already doing to begin with

This is why it seems like you are coping, you act as if they weren't already being pumped an dumped before you, also you are underestimating women's sadism, they'll probably love that shit, even get off on it, and just go onto the next pumper

For me the entire point of wealthmaxxing is so that I no longer have to really deal with women and no longer have to take part in these sick mind games, I'll just retire to SEA and fuck whores at a discount, what you are doing is counterproductive to the hard work you invested to wealthmax, you are still having to deal with women and play mind games, I'm already tired of that shit in my 20's, you're asking men to wealthmax just to deal with it some more in their 30's and up, that doesn't make sense

One should wealthmaxx so they can stopped playing the rigged game entirely and focus on completely personal gain and enjoyment

I doubt SEA is gonna be the same place in 20 years with globalization travel and rise of incels.

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

♪ Why must we slave away just to make a basic living
When Twitch thots make six figures a month just for existing ♪

Because you’ll be successful for life. Twitch thots will be used by 30 and nobody would want to see them. They’d have no life skills to support their life style while you’ll be a success machine making so much money

 

[Sparrow's Song]

The rich get richer and the poor get poorer. If you're a poorcel and a severely facially hideous truecel, it would take a decade to save up surgerymaxxing money by wagecucking in America, by then you'll be over 30 you'll have no chance of getting a worthwhile mate.

 

[BlkPillPres]

solid advice, but who here has got any motivation after frying their dopamine receptors with vidya/porn and then seeing the whole world against them

If you feel like you need motivation your life probably isn't that bad, for me I don't even feel like I have a choice, it literally feels like life or death for me, if I don't wealthmaxx and become successful I will kill myself, no motivation required at that point if that's how you view life, just as one doesn't need motivation to breathe, try to hold your breath and you suffocate, for me living the life I live right now feels like that

If you don't feel like trying, then your life probably isn't that bad, if you truly hated your current life you'd feel like you have no choice but to try and escape it

If a guy tries to rob you at gun point for the few hundred dollars you have in your wallet, you'll likely give it up without a fight

If a guy tries to rape you at gun point you'd still fight him and you'd rather get shot and die than just let yourself get raped

Problem with most incels is that you see the hand society has dealt you as a "robbery scenario" rather than a "rape scenario", for me its a "rape scenario", I won't let it happen, I'd rather die or kill myself

 

[Over4Mexicels]

Just compete with millions of men that are more attractive, have social conections, are more intelligent, etc theory

Seriously no offense but saying this is the same as saying "just put yourself out there bro" , albeit with more fanciful advices

 

[reeve23]

If you feel like you need motivation your life probably isn't that bad, for me I don't even feel like I have a choice, it literally feels like life or death for me, if I don't wealthmaxx and become successful I will kill myself, no motivation required at that point if that's how you view life, just as one doesn't need motivation to breathe, try to hold your breath and you suffocate, for me living the life I live right now feels like that

If you don't feel like trying, then your life probably isn't that bad, if you truly hated your current life you'd feel like you have no choice but to try and escape it

If a guy tries to rob you at gun point for the few hundred dollars you have in your wallet, you'll likely give it up without a fight

If a guy tries to rape you at gun point you'd still fight him and you'd rather get shot and die than just let yourself get raped

Problem with most incels is that you see the hand society has dealt you as a "robbery scenario" rather than a "rape scenario", for me its a "rape scenario", I won't let it happen, I'd rather die or kill myself

what's ur method?

Just compete with millions of men that are more attractive, have social conections, are more intelligent, etc theory

Seriously no offense but saying this an saying "just put yourself out there bro" is the same, albeit with fanciful advices

I think what OP meant to say is to make yourself happy, since that's the best revenge against people, not caring about them

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

How are you wasting their time by making them do what they were already doing to begin with

This is why it seems like you are coping, you act as if they weren't already being pumped an dumped before you, also you are underestimating women's sadism, they'll probably love that shit, even get off on it, and just go onto the next pumper

For me the entire point of wealthmaxxing is so that I no longer have to really deal with women and no longer have to take part in these sick mind games, I'll just retire to SEA and fuck whores at a discount, what you are doing is counterproductive to the hard work you invested to wealthmax, you are still having to deal with women and play mind games, I'm already tired of that shit in my 20's, you're asking men to wealthmax just to deal with it some more in their 30's and up, that doesn't make sense

One should wealthmaxx so they can stopped playing the rigged game entirely and focus on completely personal gain and enjoyment

Women don’t wana be pumped and dumped in their 30s by a incel/normie. They was settle in 30s cuz they know their biological clock is ticking and looks fading away. These 30 yo girls go to so many evening events to find a rich guy and all you have to do is be rich a show up, women will put up with your shit cuz you are rich and they think thy can control you. Alll you have to do is fuck them and leave and waste their time.


You are not playing any mind games. You are just being successful and you pump and dump the women who try to orbit you and use you as a rich beta bux

 

[reeve23]

Women don’t wana be pumped and dumped in their 30s by a incel/normie. They was settle in 30s cuz they know their biological clock is ticking and looks fading away. These 30 yo girls go to so many evening events to find a rich guy and all you have to do is be rich a show up, women will put up with your shit cuz you are rich and they think thy can control you. Alll you have to do is fuck them and leave and waste their time.


You are not playing any mind games. You are just being successful and you pump and dump the women who try to orbit you and use you as a rich beta bux

At this point you're better off with escorts if you have to be rich and waste energy building something 30 post wall roasties. At least you can fuck 19 yr olds

 

[mylifeistrash]

“In a sea” even if you become a million air which is not that hard if you can push through depression and focus for 5-10 years.

You can get girls orbiting you sure they won’t be stacies but 5-6/10 orbiting girls is still good. Main thing that comes from being rich is social circle and other successful guys.
Once you are at that stage it’s a upward spiral to success


That’s true but the whole point of my post is to sell a dream to 30 girls that you will settle meanwhile you’ll just pump and dump them and waste their time like they wasted our 20s

unless you're very high IQ + hard work ethic, making a million is obscenely hard

 

[BlkPillPres]

At this point you're better off with escorts if you have to be rich and waste energy building something 30 post wall roasties. At least you can fuck 19 yr olds

This

@Reddit_is_for_cucks

1. What you are planning to do is a half measure, you are really just half assing revenge, why bother, fuck their lives up or don't even bother wasting your time, just fuck whores and be done with normie society

2. I'm pretty sure you'll get more enjoyment fucking jailbait in the Philippines, than trying to spend your time baiting post wall roasties for the sake of "muh revenge", how ironic would it be if you get a false rape claim thrown at you and end up wasting time and money in court, and on top of that going to jail, your "psuedo-revenge" isn't worth the risk when you think about it, any woman who feels like you took advantage of her can just cry rape and even if you don't go to jail you'll have to waste money on legal troubles

All I can say is good luck but its a fools errand, I don't see the point in wealthmaxxing to then go back to focusing on what you hate, you should use that time to do things you enjoy

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

Just compete with millions of men that are more attractive, have social conections, are more intelligent, etc theory

Seriously no offense but saying this is the same as saying "just put yourself out there bro" , albeit with more fanciful advices

Majority of millionaire are normie /incel tier in looks. Your looks shouldn’t be a factor in holding you back from achieving successs.

unless you're very high IQ + hard work ethic, making a million is obscenely hard

I think incels can achieve it if we can get out of our depression. Majority of millionaires are sub8 mmen

 

[reeve23]

If you self improve you become wealthier to a degree which benefits them cause there's a new prospect in town and more options for them.

The biggest revenge is not improving because women hate incels and getting approached by them ruins their day.



I do agree that you're alone in life and no one will help you

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

This

@Reddit_is_for_cucks

1. What you are planning to do is a half measure, you are really just half assing revenge, why bother, fuck their lives up or don't even bother wasting your time, just fuck whores and be done with normie society

2. I'm pretty sure you'll get more enjoyment fucking jailbait in the Philippines, than trying to spend your time baiting post wall roasties for the sake of "muh revenge", how ironic would it be if you get a false rape claim thrown at you and end up wasting time and money in court, and on top of that going to jail, your "psuedo-revenge" isn't worth the risk when you think about it, any woman who feels like you took advantage of her can just cry rape and even if you don't go to jail you'll have to waste money on legal troubles

All I can say is good luck but its a fools errand, I don't see the point in wealthmaxxing to then go back to focusing on what you hate, you should use that time to do things you enjoy

Yea that’s true, all this fake rape culture and metoo fucked up shit really bad even for rich guys. I’ll probably go to Eastern Europe t fuck white girls cuz noodles aren’t my thing. But then again I’ll probably get lynched by angry Eastern Europen men for stealing their women. Those guys are high t as fuck

If you self improve you become wealthier to a degree which benefits them cause there's a new prospect in town and more options for them.

The biggest revenge is not improving because women hate incels and getting approached by them ruins their day.



I do agree that you're alone in life and no one will help you

Living a shitty life is only hurting you and not them . Stop coping

 

[Cuyen]

Would ER on them instead tbh

High T

 

[BlkPillPres]

Living a shitty life is only hurting you and not them . Stop coping

This I also agree with, the whole "do nothing and complain" strategy so many incels want to spread like its gold is completely retarded, its a self fulfilling prophecy for having a shitty life

 

[Napoleon de Jizzbal]

But is hard without help of cute adorable loli waifu

 

[_wifebeater_]

No thanks, I am not interested in 20yrs+ grandmothers.

 

[Zod]

“In a sea” even if you become a millionaire which is not that hard if you can push through depression and focus for 5-10 years.

"..become a millionaire...not that hard...5-10 years."
...
how exactly could an average IQcel accomplish this?

 

[Deleted member 14218]

So basically, you "self improve" in order to attract foids via betabux? The Only reason a foid will date you is for the money and lifestyle you give her while dating.

So you basically work hard, become rich, and then spend the money on young foids? You call it "pump and dump" as though foids will miss you. In reality they will only be with you for the money you offer. And then the foid will go with another man.

Is this the life you are promoting here? Betabuxing?

but aren't looks another form of resource i mean it seems to me that if foids only care about looks than chads are only cared about for their looks and not their actually personality, provided that most chads don't have much of a personality to begin with.

 

[Wonder]

- Get rich and show it off

Easier said than done nowadays.

- study and get smart

Intelligence is genetic. No studying will make you smarter. You could of course fake it.

Maybe if you are rich enough with a lambo you can probably fuck the hot 20 yo gold diggers and discard them after.

Seems risky. One broken condom or a missed pill and you are fucked.

If this is too much work then you can always sui at 25 or 30. Last thing you need is growing up old living without a purpose and wagecucking just so you can continue supporting your shitty life that you hate so much.

Thinking of doing this after my studies end.

 

[needsolution]

That's not revenge and that's not winning. My victory can only come through social change.

 

[Cleftcel]

I agree somewhat with what you're saying, an incel should try to 'live their best life', we are here alone in this life and most of us are too pussy to suicide so we should make lemonade as it were

 

[Reddit_is_for_cucks]

"..become a millionaire...not that hard...5-10 years."
...
how exactly could an average IQcel accomplish this?

Only thing you need to fight is depression and and focus. Reason most ppl aren’t rich is because they spend most of their time on Netflix and video games. Or they are sub 90 iq and think working 2 minimum jobs with 8 hr shift is considered working and hustling.

You need to be smart.

- get initial money like 20k from somewhere and have a stable job.
- learn about e-commerce
- or try trading
- or try housing

Easier said than done nowadays.

Intelligence is genetic. No studying will make you smarter. You could of course fake it.


Seems risky. One broken condom or a missed pill and you are fucked.


Thinking of doing this after my studies end.

Intelligence is genetics but you can still get rich assuming you are above sub90 iq.

I have seen countless programmers and other smarty ppl with 130 iq plus ego make 150k max. Meanwhile their boss who has a business degree makes 500k with 100 iq

 

[Carotel]

Is it weird I dont want revenge?

 

[Lux]

Would ER on them instead tbh

finish it all at once