Normie religious belief - you only get one life (no re-rolling)

[WizardofSoda]

From this religious belief normies try to consoom as hard as they can, travel as hard as they can, 'experience' life, and mog anyone they can in their one life.

A normie philosophy on life is 'Its better to live on your knees than to die on your feet'.

The good normie has the following traits in life:

-rushed
-stressed
-envious
-and above all fearful

The normie way of life makes sense if you believe that this one life is all you get.

We incels have felt some of those, like envy of normies with nice bodies and who get a wife. Even with a belief in reincarnation you are still going to feel human/animal emotions and drives.

But its the level and intensity of it. Like we saw the globalist armies run in terror from the Chadiban. Abandoning their weapons and abandoning their allies in the country. It was probably the greatest humiliation in the last 100 years of military history.

If you believe as Westerners do that after you die that is it, then running in humiliation made perfect sense. Its the same logic that a disease that allegedly has a 1% death rate we lock down our society and take away freedom and enjoyment from our young because 70 and 80 year olds are afraid of dying.

Of course these are extreme examples, but it shows how your religious beliefs affect all your beliefs and actions.


And make no mistake belief that you get just one life is a religious belief

Westerners look down on other peoples who have religions. Like a soy will pretend to listen to an ethnic on spiritual matters and pretend to be interested while feeling sorry for how ignorant they are and getting to look down on them for not being 'scientists'.

But normies and soys they don't know anymore than you or I do whether we are in a simulation/game or whether this is the one 'real' world. And you can show how it is very probable that this is a simulation. And in a simulation reincarnation is entirely possible.

So the normie claiming to know that this is the one 'real' world and reincarnation is not possible - it is a religious belief.

 

[ShowerTaker]

Interesting thread. So what do you think happens when we die?

 

[WizardofSoda]

Interesting thread. So what do you think happens when we die?

Thanks glad you like it. I think it will be that we get to re-roll, and we probably can select some things in the re-rolling like gender, species, location, possibly even family line, possibly colors, or we can leave those things random.

I think the virtual worlds/MMORPGs we see are the beginning of the creation of entire universes like our own universe. Since computing started we are maybe at having 10 to the 15th power servers or something. And there has been an equal advance in the algorithms, so half at least of what our computers can do is because of algorithm advances.

I did a complete wild guess that to simulate the Earth it would take 10 to the 80th power, and the universe 10 to the 120th power. With all sorts of algorithm tricks it might be much less than that.

But let us say it is that, and we look forward in our own world centuries and centuries it is within reason that we will have computing beyond that. And then as you start adding zeros say 12 zeros that is a billion times more computing power. So you can simulate millions of universes.

If there is millions of simulated universes and one 'real' world, then you must assume you are in one of the simulated universes.

We see with the big MMORPG's they have not just one server, but dozens of servers. And even different rulesets on some servers.


When I thought about this stuff

Belief can be viewed as probability. When I thought through this I thought it just seems 'probably' this is a simulation/game. And since Descartes 'I think therefore I am'.. I know I am some sort of consciousness. That still doesn't mean we for sure can keep playing lives but it just seems 'probable' to me.

So I had to say I don't know that we can keep playing lives, but I believe that is how it will be.


Even of our own world we know relatively little

I was reading a book about the development of science for electro-magnetism. And it occurred to me if in the year 1700 I told people in a few hundred years we will be able to talk to someone on the other side of the world in real time, it would seem complete science fiction. Like sound waves don't even travel that fast. People would just think it is nonsense.

But it eventually did become possible through phenomena we didn't even know about then. So how many other things are unknown to us. Dimension doors for example is fiction today but will it always be.

Techno-futurism I've always been interested in, and its interesting how it starts going into spirituality. The Bible itself has a ton of science fiction stuff in it.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

High IQ, I will reincarnation Maxx

 

[ShowerTaker]

Thanks glad you like it. I think it will be that we get to re-roll, and we probably can select some things in the re-rolling like gender, species, location, possibly even family line, possibly colors, or we can leave those things random.

I think the virtual worlds/MMORPGs we see are the beginning of the creation of entire universes like our own universe. Since computing started we are maybe at having 10 to the 15th power servers or something. And there has been an equal advance in the algorithms, so half at least of what our computers can do is because of algorithm advances.

I did a complete wild guess that to simulate the Earth it would take 10 to the 80th power, and the universe 10 to the 120th power. With all sorts of algorithm tricks it might be much less than that.

But let us say it is that, and we look forward in our own world centuries and centuries it is within reason that we will have computing beyond that. And then as you start adding zeros say 12 zeros that is a billion times more computing power. So you can simulate millions of universes.

If there is millions of simulated universes and one 'real' world, then you must assume you are in one of the simulated universes.

We see with the big MMORPG's they have not just one server, but dozens of servers. And even different rulesets on some servers.


When I thought about this stuff

Belief can be viewed as probability. When I thought through this I thought it just seems 'probably' this is a simulation/game. And since Descartes 'I think therefore I am'.. I know I am some sort of consciousness. That still doesn't mean we for sure can keep playing lives but it just seems 'probable' to me.

So I had to say I don't know that we can keep playing lives, but I believe that is how it will be.


Even of our own world we know relatively little

I was reading a book about the development of science for electro-magnetism. And it occurred to me if in the year 1700 I told people in a few hundred years we will be able to talk to someone on the other side of the world in real time, it would seem complete science fiction. Like sound waves don't even travel that fast. People would just think it is nonsense.

But it eventually did become possible through phenomena we didn't even know about then. So how many other things are unknown to us. Dimension doors for example is fiction today but will it always be.

Techno-futurism I've always been interested in, and its interesting how it starts going into spirituality. The Bible itself has a ton of science fiction stuff in it.

High IQ. Interesting ideas. Thanks.

 

[WizardofSoda]

High IQ, I will reincarnation Maxx

Since I started believing like the Currycels it reinforced a lot of the way I already had moved my belief patterns to.

Like say you want to look at birds and then have a nap. Normies are always trying to 'self-improve' or rush so they can tick off achievements.

Its like in MMORPG's newbies always want to rush through the game and get to the max level. But long time players we already have maxxed characters, we are hanging out and exploring and looking for cool items and just having fun.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Since I started believing like the Currycels it reinforced a lot of the way I already had moved my belief patterns to.

Like say you want to look at birds and then have a nap. Normies are always trying to 'self-improve' or rush so they can tick off achievements.

Its like in MMORPG's newbies always want to rush through the game and get to the max level. But long time players we already have maxxed characters, we are hanging out and exploring and looking for cool items and just having fun.

Based and woke. You should read Neville Goddard. He suggests in his books, humans are Gods who wanted to enjoy a new playthrough. And eventually after death return to a heavenly world. Where they can rest before choosing another playthrough.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Based and woke. You should read Neville Goddard. He suggests in his books, humans are Gods who wanted to enjoy a new playthrough. And eventually after death return to a heavenly world. Where they can rest before choosing another playthrough.

Cool I will look into those books thanks. Its possible this universe is a recreation of the 'real' universe we came from.

Technology will allow us to create Heaven on Earth. Eg.. computers billions of billions of times faster than now will be able to unlock biology and chemistry and we will cure aging and disease in time. And with automation computers and machinery and robotics will provide all our material needs.

Look at what we have in our houses now, multiple fountains, hot water, heaters, clothes washer, dryer, etc. We will return to the Garden of Eden..


But I realized a perfect life isn't actually what we want. Like if every movie the good guys wins perfectly it isn't entertaining after awhile. To experience a refreshing drink first you must be made thirsty. To feel comfort you have to be made uncomfortable. The thrill of achievement is only thrilling to the extent of how hard the challenge was for you.

Suspense and drama aren't possible if everything always works out perfectly. So people watch all kinds of movies like horror movies, dramas, action movies.

To not know of Heaven we have to come into this world without our memories.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Cool I will look into those books thanks. Its possible this universe is a recreation of the 'real' universe we came from.

Technology will allow us to create Heaven on Earth. Eg.. computers billions of billions of times faster than now will be able to unlock biology and chemistry and we will cure aging and disease in time. And with automation computers and machinery and robotics will provide all our material needs.

Look at what we have in our houses now, multiple fountains, hot water, heaters, clothes washer, dryer, etc. We will return to the Garden of Eden..


But I realized a perfect life isn't actually what we want. Like if every movie the good guys wins perfectly it isn't entertaining after awhile. To experience a refreshing drink first you must be made thirsty. To feel comfort you have to be made uncomfortable. The thrill of achievement is only thrilling to the extent of how hard the challenge was for you.

Suspense and drama aren't possible if everything always works out perfectly. So people watch all kinds of movies like horror movies, dramas, action movies.

To not know of Heaven we have to come into this world without our memories.

Very Alan Watts of you. Tbh you should check out some of the r/glitch in matrix stories. Many of the stories report parallel timelines. One guy even claims to have experienced an entire life in another world before being forced back here.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Very Alan Watts of you. Tbh you should check out some of the r/glitch in matrix stories. Many of the stories report parallel timelines. One guy even claims to have experienced an entire life in another world before being forced back here.

Sweet I am searching for those now, they will be fun to read. I rarely got to reddit and didn't know of that reddit.

So far I mainly just got to these ideas by my own observations and thinking.

This week I was thinking about how MMORPG's need new content to stay interesting. But at the same time the new content can't come too fast, as you have to give people time to play in it.

Now think of how new species arrive. Or now new technology.. and looking out into space I don't think the speed of light will be any sort of limitation, that we will be able to explore this universe which seems near endless. And how we are going into the virtual realms, entire new horizons.


You might have started playing this game 100,000 years ago before there was people, playing as another type of animal. The abstract thinking capabilities of humans are a new dimension in the game to play with. But some spirits are still playing on frogs and deer and other animals.



My friend noticed one glitch in the Matrix. We were walking through a nice area of big lots and houses and small trails through forests. And there was no cars as just old people live there mainly. But each time we came to a road crossing, a car would show up right when we went to cross.

Since this happened two or three times my friend pointed out that is improbable. But I said you are just noticing a strange pattern, but it is only one of potentially millions of strange patterns. So the probability of one of them appearing is high.

But then 3 or 4 more times that night we cross roads between trails and each time a car appeared and was there right when we got to the crossing. I had to say that is getting extremely improbable that this is 'random'.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Sweet I am searching for those now, they will be fun to read. I rarely got to reddit and didn't know of that reddit.

So far I mainly just got to these ideas by my own observations and thinking.

This week I was thinking about how MMORPG's need new content to stay interesting. But at the same time the new content can't come too fast, as you have to give people time to play in it.

Now think of how new species arrive. Or now new technology.. and looking out into space I don't think the speed of light will be any sort of limitation, that we will be able to explore this universe which seems near endless. And how we are going into the virtual realms, entire new horizons.


You might have started playing this game 100,000 years ago before there was people, playing as another type of animal. The abstract thinking capabilities of humans are a new dimension in the game to play with. But some spirits are still playing on frogs and deer and other animals.



My friend noticed one glitch in the Matrix. We were walking through a nice area of big lots and houses and small trails through forests. And there was no cars as just old people live there mainly. But each time we came to a road crossing, a car would show up right when we went to cross.

Since this happened two or three times my friend pointed out that is improbable. But I said you are just noticing a strange pattern, but it is only one of potentially millions of strange patterns. So the probability of one of them appearing is high.

But then 3 or 4 more times that night we cross roads between trails and each time a car appeared and was there right when we got to the crossing. I had to say that is getting extremely improbable that this is 'random'.

Interesting. I have had similar weird experiences of multiple uncanny coincidences occuring in a row. Many in the glith/psychonaut/spiritual communities call this phenomenon synchronity

 

[Moody-Silver]

Reincarnation is a gigacope.
Your only reincarnation is your genes.
Genes are immortal.

 

[WizardofSoda]

Interesting. I have had similar weird experiences of multiple uncanny coincidences occuring in a row. Many in the glith/psychonaut/spiritual communities call this phenomenon synchronity

Do you remember any of those ones?

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Do you remember any of those ones?

One time I thought to myself that I wished to see a Lamborghini and other cars. That same day, I went for a visit to one area for a doctor's visit and their happened to be a car show with the car, I wanted to see.

(Cropped Original image I took at the time)
Another time, I imagined winning a scratch ticket, and I did win although only like $10. Another story is I once walked by a graveyard and heard someone say my name, I turned around and literally saw no one for blocks. I ignored it coping thinking it was just me, but I hears the voice again and I started running super fast. I was legit shocked.

 

[WizardofSoda]

One time I thought to myself that I wished to see a Lamborghini and other cars. That same day, I went for a visit to one area for a doctor's visit and their happened to be a car show with the car, I wanted to see.
View attachment 512536(Cropped Original image I took at the time)
Another time, I imagined winning a scratch ticket, and I did win although only like $10. Another story is I once walked by a graveyard and heard someone say my name, I turned around and literally saw no one for blocks. I ignored it coping thinking it was just me, but I hears the voice again and I started running super fast. I was legit shocked.

Its strange how we can manifest things in reality with our thinking. Its like if you think about a person a lot there is a good chance you will run into them, even if you haven't seen them in a long time.

Think about when your surfing online. My friend was telling me how the monitors now have cameras on them, and they 'monitor' where your eyes are looking. So if you are looking at a specific ad it can see it and then bring that ad up more.

Think about in the metaverse, you are watching a tv show and they know you are interested in a car, they can slip it into the background cars in the show. And the computer can calculate out all the lighting and that so it appears as it should if it was there. You see with insane computing power it becomes wild what is possible.


Something I've been wondering about is how many player characters there really are. Like I am suspicious of how NPC most humans are. But I am admitting that it could be just vast qualitative differences in intellectual capability. I was thinking to make sure each spirit can re-roll you would want at all times most humans to be NPC's.

Which brings up another question of how guided the storyline is.

And another question that is food for thought. People who discover secrets its not in their interest to share those secrets. I am learning over time the secrets of trading stocks and coins and such. But the realizations I have made they are so simple, that if I told people my advantage would be gone.

Its a strange thing about the truth.. think of how simple a physics formula is once you know it.. But its figuring it out which is insane difficulty which only a few people in the world can do. Yet millions are capable of learning and memorizing it if it is figured out.

So we end up in this world of secrets.

 

[Caesercel]

some grade a coping going on in this thread

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Its strange how we can manifest things in reality with our thinking. Its like if you think about a person a lot there is a good chance you will run into them, even if you haven't seen them in a long time.

Think about when your surfing online. My friend was telling me how the monitors now have cameras on them, and they 'monitor' where your eyes are looking. So if you are looking at a specific ad it can see it and then bring that ad up more.

Think about in the metaverse, you are watching a tv show and they know you are interested in a car, they can slip it into the background cars in the show. And the computer can calculate out all the lighting and that so it appears as it should if it was there. You see with insane computing power it becomes wild what is possible.


Something I've been wondering about is how many player characters there really are. Like I am suspicious of how NPC most humans are. But I am admitting that it could be just vast qualitative differences in intellectual capability. I was thinking to make sure each spirit can re-roll you would want at all times most humans to be NPC's.

Which brings up another question of how guided the storyline is.

And another question that is food for thought. People who discover secrets its not in their interest to share those secrets. I am learning over time the secrets of trading stocks and coins and such. But the realizations I have made they are so simple, that if I told people my advantage would be gone.

Its a strange thing about the truth.. think of how simple a physics formula is once you know it.. But its figuring it out which is insane difficulty which only a few people in the world can do. Yet millions are capable of learning and memorizing it if it is figured out.

So we end up in this world of secrets.

True many simple but valuable truths are hidden behind all types of deception and fluff. Filtering thru the trash takes time and experience. Ideally one should have a person to guide them, but we don't get that privilege. But still if you do your best and act in a rational fashion, you'll discover enough on your own to succeed to a large degree.

As for people being NPCs, I agree there are a very large amount of them out there. Some like 30% of people straight up don't have inner voice. Literally no inner thought. Can these people even be considered sentient?, arguably not tbh

 

[wastedTime]

Thanks glad you like it. I think it will be that we get to re-roll, and we probably can select some things in the re-rolling like gender, species, location, possibly even family line, possibly colors, or we can leave those things random.

I think the virtual worlds/MMORPGs we see are the beginning of the creation of entire universes like our own universe. Since computing started we are maybe at having 10 to the 15th power servers or something. And there has been an equal advance in the algorithms, so half at least of what our computers can do is because of algorithm advances.

I did a complete wild guess that to simulate the Earth it would take 10 to the 80th power, and the universe 10 to the 120th power. With all sorts of algorithm tricks it might be much less than that.

But let us say it is that, and we look forward in our own world centuries and centuries it is within reason that we will have computing beyond that. And then as you start adding zeros say 12 zeros that is a billion times more computing power. So you can simulate millions of universes.

If there is millions of simulated universes and one 'real' world, then you must assume you are in one of the simulated universes.

We see with the big MMORPG's they have not just one server, but dozens of servers. And even different rulesets on some servers.


When I thought about this stuff

Belief can be viewed as probability. When I thought through this I thought it just seems 'probably' this is a simulation/game. And since Descartes 'I think therefore I am'.. I know I am some sort of consciousness. That still doesn't mean we for sure can keep playing lives but it just seems 'probable' to me.

So I had to say I don't know that we can keep playing lives, but I believe that is how it will be.


Even of our own world we know relatively little

I was reading a book about the development of science for electro-magnetism. And it occurred to me if in the year 1700 I told people in a few hundred years we will be able to talk to someone on the other side of the world in real time, it would seem complete science fiction. Like sound waves don't even travel that fast. People would just think it is nonsense.

But it eventually did become possible through phenomena we didn't even know about then. So how many other things are unknown to us. Dimension doors for example is fiction today but will it always be.

Techno-futurism I've always been interested in, and its interesting how it starts going into spirituality. The Bible itself has a ton of science fiction stuff in it.

Dont compare world to mmorpgs

In mmos theres very little details, and it already takes hundreds of employees to manage them

World like our has billions more details and is impossible to be managed, so how could it be a simulation? Youre just scared of death and coping

 

[WizardofSoda]

True many simple but valuable truths are hidden behind all types of deception and fluff. Filtering thru the trash takes time and experience. Ideally one should have a person to guide them, but we don't get that privilege. But still if you do your best and act in a rational fashion, you'll discover enough on your own to succeed to a large degree.

As for people being NPCs, I agree there are a very large amount of them out there. Some like 30% of people straight up don't have inner voice. Literally no inner thought. Can these people even be considered sentient?, arguably not tbh

Its almost like one of the algorithm shortcuts. Say like you are grocery shopping and a townsperson way in the background, who is programmed to not interact with you. The computer doesn't have to waste resources giving that background extra a full realistic personality.

Ethically the computer might not want to create sentience in NPC's. Eg.. when their character ages out and dies out, it would be sort of insane to kill off a sentient being just because they were an extra.

Like years ago there was debate about whether full human or beyond AI robots would actually be conscious or whether they would be super intelligent zombies but not be conscious. Well it might not be possible to NOT make them conscious with that AI. Then it would run into ethical issues.

 

[mNFwTJ3wz9]

interesting theories, but gigacope thread and yolo ngl.

 

[WizardofSoda]

interesting theories, but gigacope thread and yolo ngl.

One belief that you get to re-roll, is the gigacope belief. And the belief in yolo is like the gigadepressing belief.

At a minimum if you understood my arguments you have to say re-rolling it is a real possibility.

But you might be 20/80%.. aka 20% chance of re-roll, and 80% chance of yolo so you are still believing yolo.

 

[mNFwTJ3wz9]

One belief that you get to re-roll, is the gigacope belief. And the belief in yolo is like the gigadepressing belief.

Yolo is the most reasonable and logical theory.
re-roll is just random fantasy.

At a minimum if you understood my arguments you have to say re-rolling it is a real possibility.

no it's not. You have made no arguments.

But you might be 20/80%.. aka 20% chance of re-roll, and 80% chance of yolo so you are still believing yolo.

No I'm putting re-roll chances with the same chance as me turning into a chad next week. 0%

 

[wei#3959]

vanta cope

 

[based_meme]

Somebody's been reading Nick Bostrom. It's good that you're thinking about this sort of thing (existential metaphysics), but this is ultimately a fantastical cope. It's high brow cope, mind you, but still cope. There is nothing short of ending your life to test the simulation hypothesis for yourself.

 

[Linesnap99]

simulation theory can be true. but it does not change anything. my inceldom won't go away.

 

[WizardofSoda]

simulation theory can be true. but it does not change anything. my inceldom won't go away.

Your beliefs change some things.. your outlook on life and your decisions in life.

Our socialist globalist armies the soldiers and officers believe 100% in the modern Western religious belief of you only live once and there is no spirit so then you are gone forever. They don't view it as a religious belief - they view it as the truth.

The Chadiban believe in their Islamic heaven. So even with the best training and best equipment our soldiers ran in terror when the Chadiban came. The Taliban didn't bother with body armor, just wearing sandals and their normal clothes and carrying an AK-47 and came right at our soldiers.

It is an extreme example but it shows how your beliefs can shape your actions.


On a more mundane note, the weirdly stressed and rushed way of the normie makes sense if you believe they will soon be gone forever. A common normie saying is 'I do not have time'.

 

[WizardofSoda]

A problem in todays MMORPG's is the best players, lets call them spirits, they are smarter and get insanely good at the game. And through massively experience playing they just beat the not as smart and newer spirits every time in PVP/realm v realm combat. New spirits they get discouraged and often quit when they just get beaten 99% of the time.

Literally quit the game altogether and play another game. Which is the point, to keep people playing in the game. Same as MMORPGs today, they are trying to design them to be the maximum enjoyable for the most people over the longest time. That is how the games make more money.

This makes the most elite players sad that they can't just kill newbies forever. Because one of two things happens: Either the game company makes it way easier for newbies to compete.. or the newbies quit. (see the similarity between how we quit trying at all when we have 0% chance of competing against normies and Chads - we give up)

How to solve this.

By making randomness a much bigger element in the game.

So in the mating aspect of the game and relationships/romance, dumb spirits and newbies sometimes roll Chads or Chadlites. Or even normies in honesty. And even though they are bad players they are still getting success and fun in the game.. actually Chads are living it up and loving the game and dominating most other players. Even as still getting beaten by smart/experienced spirits who also got lucky and got Chads.

The art is to make randomness a big part, but also be able to overcome it with insane hard work and creative thinking and skill... sometimes.

A 5.5/10 normie who becomes a specialist doctor, and is interesting, and in good shape. At an absolute minimum that smart normie would be able to get a good 5/10 wife.