Recently a response to my response to u/roberttheworldmaker was posted to IT
Robert offered the typical bluepilled spiel but, to his credit, he did at least take a step back and TRY to interpret our perspective and the studies i provided.
Of course, he was mass downvoted and left with plenty of ridiculous comments. Today I will be making a response to a very very very long one.
Heres the comment:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/s/s6UMEJisZ7
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The comment starts with this
Of course. Once again, Incels are not a group. it is a descriptor (mainly) self applied by men who believe they are celibate involuntarily. Pretty simple.
Yeah….as said before, incels arent a group and the people who have applied the label to themselves are simply men believe they are celibate involuntarily. This entire paragraph is completely redundant. Its the same as if we changed “incel” to “ugly” in this case, except ugly can be objective and, more often than not, it is. Incels are not a group of people it is simply a descriptor.
Uhh.. Sure? What exactly was this meant to show or add pretext to? We’ve already asserted that incels are not a group or an organization. This seems to just be a spiel about indoctrination and cult psychology.
Mostly agreeable paragraph here. Except for blaming the feminist big bad, Toxic masculinity. I have never met (anecdote) a single man who has judged another man for crying or being emotional without their being a valid context for criticism. Humans express emotions. This is common sense.
Men, by and large, do not shun other men for expressing emotion in an appropriate manner. This is a uniquely female thing to do.
read this for a better understanding of differences in male vs female reactions and response regarding emotions
Men have vastly different sources of satisfaction than women and many feminists simply cant seem to wrap their head around it and instead love to blame the big bad “toxic masculinity”, despite 80% of men finding this term insulting and borderline harmful to young men
But lets get back to the point. She claims women are in a position where they are self reliant and are being empowered to not settle. The data backs this for the most part.
Thanks to ramping up initiatives like DEI post Covid.
Read for more info
Also, “nobody is teaching young boys how to excel in a very new social landscape” because they simply cant. This “new” system isnt new at all, they simply ramped DEI up to fill labor gaps to fluff statistics. There was never any consideration for how men could adapt to this, and thats barring the social side of things which is for a new post entirely.
Uhh?? What? I wont even bother to address this without a citation. This is a tall tale on the level of roberttheworldmaker.
This has got to be the most soy shit so far. Let me break this down.
This while intro serves as nothing more than a pity party. Without proper citations and by keeping this absurdly vague there is nothing I can say except that there is no “deep and systemic” abuse against women prevailing or being propagated by society
I have to ask, what behavior? This is either cherry picking or a classic strawman. Once again, incel is not an abbreviation like ISIS, it is not a collective, it is not a front, it is not a group, it is not a role. It is simply a descriptor. I do not celebrate sexual assaults, torture, or murder and I have certainly never used them as a response to rejection and neither have nearly all our members (no surveys or whatnot so i cant say for absolute certain)
Also, going back to original post that even caused this thread, trauma is a core part of many incels. This is common psychology but there is a HUGE correlation between trauma and humor/sexual interests.
This is a fair response in regards to women not feeling comfortable around those who talk like that, fair enough. The issue though is when you generalize all involuntary celibates as those types of people.
Also JFL at the “1 in 5 women have been victims of sexual assault”
A quick excerpt from PBS.org is a great explanation as to why this study has aged like milk
“The original study suggests that one in five college women have experienced a completed or attempted sexual assault, again with a definition that covered just about any unwanted physical interaction“
Also, what exactly does you mean by expecting women to come to the table?
The core problems are society and trauma, often caused by society. its a cycle that wont stop until it is broken
@GeckoBus mad a great post/comment regarding why medication is to be avoided at all costs so I wont start with that but trauma is not something that therapy can up an vanish, it takes years of CBT, not meds, to even partially remedy. the damage has been done for many of us.
“You cant help someone who doesnt wanna start” You cant start when itll never begin. My biggest question to u/revalcy is a simple one. What does this mean? What are the steps to “starting” and what do you think it will achieve?
The rest is wholesome 100 soy so I wont comment and their is no rebuttal to be made.
Robert offered the typical bluepilled spiel but, to his credit, he did at least take a step back and TRY to interpret our perspective and the studies i provided.
Of course, he was mass downvoted and left with plenty of ridiculous comments. Today I will be making a response to a very very very long one.
Heres the comment:
View: https://www.reddit.com/r/IncelTears/s/s6UMEJisZ7
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The comment starts with this
Of course. Once again, Incels are not a group. it is a descriptor (mainly) self applied by men who believe they are celibate involuntarily. Pretty simple.
Yeah….as said before, incels arent a group and the people who have applied the label to themselves are simply men believe they are celibate involuntarily. This entire paragraph is completely redundant. Its the same as if we changed “incel” to “ugly” in this case, except ugly can be objective and, more often than not, it is. Incels are not a group of people it is simply a descriptor.
Uhh.. Sure? What exactly was this meant to show or add pretext to? We’ve already asserted that incels are not a group or an organization. This seems to just be a spiel about indoctrination and cult psychology.
Mostly agreeable paragraph here. Except for blaming the feminist big bad, Toxic masculinity. I have never met (anecdote) a single man who has judged another man for crying or being emotional without their being a valid context for criticism. Humans express emotions. This is common sense.
Men, by and large, do not shun other men for expressing emotion in an appropriate manner. This is a uniquely female thing to do.
read this for a better understanding of differences in male vs female reactions and response regarding emotions
Men have vastly different sources of satisfaction than women and many feminists simply cant seem to wrap their head around it and instead love to blame the big bad “toxic masculinity”, despite 80% of men finding this term insulting and borderline harmful to young men
But lets get back to the point. She claims women are in a position where they are self reliant and are being empowered to not settle. The data backs this for the most part.
Thanks to ramping up initiatives like DEI post Covid.
Read for more info
Also, “nobody is teaching young boys how to excel in a very new social landscape” because they simply cant. This “new” system isnt new at all, they simply ramped DEI up to fill labor gaps to fluff statistics. There was never any consideration for how men could adapt to this, and thats barring the social side of things which is for a new post entirely.
Uhh?? What? I wont even bother to address this without a citation. This is a tall tale on the level of roberttheworldmaker.
This has got to be the most soy shit so far. Let me break this down.
This while intro serves as nothing more than a pity party. Without proper citations and by keeping this absurdly vague there is nothing I can say except that there is no “deep and systemic” abuse against women prevailing or being propagated by society
I have to ask, what behavior? This is either cherry picking or a classic strawman. Once again, incel is not an abbreviation like ISIS, it is not a collective, it is not a front, it is not a group, it is not a role. It is simply a descriptor. I do not celebrate sexual assaults, torture, or murder and I have certainly never used them as a response to rejection and neither have nearly all our members (no surveys or whatnot so i cant say for absolute certain)
Also, going back to original post that even caused this thread, trauma is a core part of many incels. This is common psychology but there is a HUGE correlation between trauma and humor/sexual interests.
This is a fair response in regards to women not feeling comfortable around those who talk like that, fair enough. The issue though is when you generalize all involuntary celibates as those types of people.
Also JFL at the “1 in 5 women have been victims of sexual assault”
A quick excerpt from PBS.org is a great explanation as to why this study has aged like milk
“The original study suggests that one in five college women have experienced a completed or attempted sexual assault, again with a definition that covered just about any unwanted physical interaction“
Also, what exactly does you mean by expecting women to come to the table?
The core problems are society and trauma, often caused by society. its a cycle that wont stop until it is broken
@GeckoBus mad a great post/comment regarding why medication is to be avoided at all costs so I wont start with that but trauma is not something that therapy can up an vanish, it takes years of CBT, not meds, to even partially remedy. the damage has been done for many of us.
“You cant help someone who doesnt wanna start” You cant start when itll never begin. My biggest question to u/revalcy is a simple one. What does this mean? What are the steps to “starting” and what do you think it will achieve?
The rest is wholesome 100 soy so I wont comment and their is no rebuttal to be made.
