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My observation of what foids did to the trance music scene after 2010-2011

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When EDM started to get big in late 2011 (when the term started to become widely recognized and used) due to major events like Electric Daisy Carnival, Etd.Pop, and lovefest, a whole bunch of foids started to join the scene and ruined the trance scene forever. Instead of artists composing quality productions, we started to hear big room crowd pleasing songs over and over again. Low quality crap to please the crowd and sell as much tracks/albums as possible. Also with top40 radio hits samples mixed into the sets. It was never called EDM, it was always recognized as trance or dance music.

Before 2011, the trance music scene was never called EDM and it was mostly nerdy incel dudes like myself who enjoyed listening to it alone to meditate and occasionally going out to the venues here in SF to listen. It never had that much foids dressed up in candy gear or whatever trying to showoff. It was always mostly nerdy dudes who genuinely enjoyed trance music. I remember even going back to 2015 at club Mezzanine here in SF, a small venue. It was at least 80% dudes. Now its like 50+ percent foids and the music sucks now. The scene was such a huge relief just to be away from top40 music listeners, hip hop and indie rock hipsters. Now I can tell some of those ghetto foids, indie listeners have infiltrated the trance scene and rebranded it EDM with their shitty tastes, vibes, and attitudes.

Then you meet some of the foids and their tastes are just awful low quality mainstream stuff. Its always some bs combination of The Chainsmokers, Calvin Harris, Rufus Dusol, Aviici, top40 bullcrap.
Foids absolutely butchered the trance scene and genre.
 
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classic dnb and old trance music is best for ldaring truecels while coping with vidya 10/10 tbh ngl
 
I think 2010 was the last year of good EDM. After that it all turned into very generic “drops” and brostep noises with as you stated samples from top chart music. I listen to a lot of stuff from 2010 going back and it is very well produced for being simple. I listen mostly to old hardstyle, some gabber, old dubstep, old trance, and old techno/a small amount of minimal techno. As a general rule if it is not pressed on a vinyl it is probably not worth listening to.
 
Nobody cares about edm tbh
 
OP, you got me interested in this genre,

Any examples?

You mean you go interested previously, or since reading OP's post today?

Here's what I'm listening to now though. Well, the song just ended...



...and now youtube went onto this mix...maybe it'll be good, maybe not, who knows lol:



If you want some old stuff (admittedly, the production quality is a bit dated, since some of these songs are 20 years old), here is a good series...there's about 15 videos, I think:

 
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To be honest, I think I've been quite lucky in the UK regarding trance - since the UK has a lot of producers per capita, whereas, I guess, the US, not so many. Plenty of events like Luminosity, ADE and a few others just a quick flight away in Europe too, which is probably less distance than between consecutive states in the US, so me flying to e.g. the Netherlands isn't an issue...and is a nice holiday in the process too

One thing I will admit that I like about the trance scene is that the crowd is often older - it's very common to see people/couples there in their late 30s, 40s or even 50s. If you go to some other EDM genres, then yeah, you get the douchey, fist-pumping bros (the type ER hated lol) who just want to just as drunk/take as many drugs as possible. Same with the producers too - there are lots of producers in their 40s or 50s too, who are just regular people - just living in a regular sized house, posting these sweet pictures of their kids in school uniform etc. They are producers who have been in the scene for 20 years, yet their Facebook profiles are more like someone's personal, family page - rather than something managed by someone they pay who sits in some office tower. I respect that about trance - that these guys (and the occasional female producer) just have regular lives. They just seem like all around decent, humble & grounded people, compared to a lot of 'DJs' who are egotisical assholes. Likewise, basically every trance producer gets into trance because they like the music - in contrast, other genres which are more popular and also significantly easier to make (with 1/5th the layers, being more focused on rhythm (easy) rather than melody (hard)) attract guys for the wrong reasons - again, the egotistical 'bro' who wants to be the center of attention by being a 'DJ'. With trance, you don't relly get that...since trance isn't considered a 'cool' genre, so there's no social gain for producing it...not to mention, as someone who's produced various tracks, I can easily produce these minimal genres (tribal house, tech house, to a lesser extent, deep house) and get something which sounds 7/10...with trance though, I've never been able to get anything that sounds remotely decent.

So in SF, yeah, I'm sure you're right, but at least in the UK, there were a few clubs in London and another in Birmingham (then more up North, in Manchester/Leeds/perhaps Newcastle) which fairly regularly had the biggest names in trance (Solarstone, Aly & Fila, The Thrillseekers, John O'Callaghan etc).
Any examples?

And on top of what @loserkarthusplayer said, I quite like "liquid dnb"...you might like that if you prefer softer/more calming/more melodic DnB

Feint is good:



As for a mix, I've not listened, but maybe something like this might be good...

 
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Same shit happened with rock/alt/metal

Around that same timeframe, foids who shared absolutely no interest in the genres started wearing those stupid throwback Slayer and Metallica tees and tank tops. You would see them walking around in Nirvana tees, even Cannibal Corpse merch started catching on, and you already know they had no slight clue about wtf is was, it was just catchy to wear.

Some of the foids began attending some shows just for attention, but very quickly they figured out it wasn’t the music for them - that’s why almost all rock/metal shows today mostly small crowd sausage fests; the only foids who appear to be in attendance are post-wall soccer moms who were no doubt groupie scene sluts in the 80s. In other words, not marketable today.

Alt music today is basically just hip-hop with some “EDM” dance beats sprinkled in.
 
To be honest, I think I've been quite lucky in the UK regarding trance - since the UK has a lot of producers per capita, whereas, I guess, the US, not so many. Plenty of events like Luminosity, ADE and a few others just a quick flight away in Europe too, which is probably less distance than between consecutive states in the US, so me flying to e.g. the Netherlands isn't an issue...and is a nice holiday in the process too

One thing I will admit that I like about the trance scene is that the crowd is often older - it's very common to see people/couples there in their late 30s, 40s or even 50s. If you go to some other EDM genres, then yeah, you get the douchey, fist-pumping bros (the type ER hated lol) who just want to just as drunk/take as many drugs as possible. Same with the producers too - there are lots of producers in their 40s or 50s too, who are just regular people - just living in a regular sized house, posting these sweet pictures of their kids in school uniform etc. They are producers who have been in the scene for 20 years, yet their Facebook profiles are more like someone's personal, family page - rather than something managed by someone they pay who sits in some office tower. I respect that about trance - that these guys (and the occasional female producer) just have regular lives. They just seem like all around decent, humble & grounded people, compared to a lot of 'DJs' who are egotisical assholes. Likewise, basically every trance producer gets into trance because they like the music - in contrast, other genres which are more popular and also significantly easier to make (with 1/5th the layers, being more focused on rhythm (easy) rather than melody (hard)) attract guys for the wrong reasons - again, the egotistical 'bro' who wants to be the center of attention by being a 'DJ'. With trance, you don't relly get that...since trance isn't considered a 'cool' genre, so there's no social gain for producing it...not to mention, as someone who's produced various tracks, I can easily produce these minimal genres (tribal house, tech house, to a lesser extent, deep house) and get something which sounds 7/10...with trance though, I've never been able to get anything that sounds remotely decent.

So in SF, yeah, I'm sure you're right, but at least in the UK, there were a few clubs in London and another in Birmingham (then more up North, in Manchester/Leeds/perhaps Newcastle) which fairly regularly had the biggest names in trance (Solarstone, Aly & Fila, The Thrillseekers, John O'Callaghan etc).


And on top of what @loserkarthusplayer said, I quite like "liquid dnb"...you might like that if you prefer softer/more calming/more melodic DnB

Feint is good:



As for a mix, I've not listened, but maybe something like this might be good...


Yea melodic dnb/dubstep is some good stuff. Blackmill comes to mind. Anyways, you're spot on. I always found Europeans to be highly receptive of Trance so I don't know exactly what the social dynamic is like over there regarding foids and trance music.

But here in SF, CA theres no doubt about it. The venues and major EDM events are overcrowded with foids that ruined everything. Theres no way the current DJs/Producers today would produce the crap they produce today if it wasn't for Trance becoming mainstream (all because of the massive influx of foids that they have to please). Who have very poor tastes. Virtually none of them listen to quality producers/DJs. They just like Armin.

I go back to the days of 2009 and prior. It was artists like Will Holland, Kris O'Neil, Mike Koglin, Tom Porcell, BT, Carl B, Jason van Wyk, Mike Shiver, Giuseppe Ottaviani, Sunlounger, Smith & Pledger, Kenneth Thomas & Mike Skye, Tritonal (before they switched genres), Sean Tyas, Daniel Kandi, Emery & Kirsch, Andy Moor, Thrillseekers, on and on...
 
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To be honest, I think I've been quite lucky in the UK regarding trance - since the UK has a lot of producers per capita, whereas, I guess, the US, not so many. Plenty of events like Luminosity, ADE and a few others just a quick flight away in Europe too, which is probably less distance than between consecutive states in the US, so me flying to e.g. the Netherlands isn't an issue...and is a nice holiday in the process too

One thing I will admit that I like about the trance scene is that the crowd is often older - it's very common to see people/couples there in their late 30s, 40s or even 50s. If you go to some other EDM genres, then yeah, you get the douchey, fist-pumping bros (the type ER hated lol) who just want to just as drunk/take as many drugs as possible. Same with the producers too - there are lots of producers in their 40s or 50s too, who are just regular people - just living in a regular sized house, posting these sweet pictures of their kids in school uniform etc. They are producers who have been in the scene for 20 years, yet their Facebook profiles are more like someone's personal, family page - rather than something managed by someone they pay who sits in some office tower. I respect that about trance - that these guys (and the occasional female producer) just have regular lives. They just seem like all around decent, humble & grounded people, compared to a lot of 'DJs' who are egotisical assholes. Likewise, basically every trance producer gets into trance because they like the music - in contrast, other genres which are more popular and also significantly easier to make (with 1/5th the layers, being more focused on rhythm (easy) rather than melody (hard)) attract guys for the wrong reasons - again, the egotistical 'bro' who wants to be the center of attention by being a 'DJ'. With trance, you don't relly get that...since trance isn't considered a 'cool' genre, so there's no social gain for producing it...not to mention, as someone who's produced various tracks, I can easily produce these minimal genres (tribal house, tech house, to a lesser extent, deep house) and get something which sounds 7/10...with trance though, I've never been able to get anything that sounds remotely decent.

So in SF, yeah, I'm sure you're right, but at least in the UK, there were a few clubs in London and another in Birmingham (then more up North, in Manchester/Leeds/perhaps Newcastle) which fairly regularly had the biggest names in trance (Solarstone, Aly & Fila, The Thrillseekers, John O'Callaghan etc).


And on top of what @loserkarthusplayer said, I quite like "liquid dnb"...you might like that if you prefer softer/more calming/more melodic DnB

Feint is good:



As for a mix, I've not listened, but maybe something like this might be good...


jfl I'm a doomer for sure I'm only 20 yo but listening to this depressed shit while I was coping with league it's over for me for sure


 
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Yea melodic dnb/dubstep is some good stuff. Blackmill comes to mind. Anyways, you're spot on. I always found Europeans to be highly receptive of Trance so I don't know exactly what the social dynamic is like over there regarding foids and trance music.

But here in SF, CA theres no doubt about it. The venues and major EDM events are overcrowded with foids that ruined everything. Theres no way the current DJs/Producers today would produce the crap they produce today if it wasn't for Trance becoming mainstream (all because of the massive influx of foids that they have to please). Who have very poor tastes. Virtually none of them listen to quality producers/DJs. They just like Armin.

I go back to the days of 2009 and prior. It was artists like Will Holland, Kris O'Neil, Mike Koglin, Tom Porcell, BT, Carl B, Jason van Wyk, Mike Shiver, Giuseppe Ottaviani, Sunlounger, Smith & Pledger, Kenneth Thomas & Mike Skye, Tritonal (before they switched genres), Sean Tyas, Daniel Kandi, Emery & Kirsch, Andy Moor, Thrillseekers, on and on...

Yeah, some women here get into trance on their own, but I also spoke to a lot of women who said they got into trance/started going to events because their bf/husband likes it. Then they discovered they liked it through them.

And yeah, I love Blackmill too. In my mind, Blackmill was to dubstep what Feint was to DnB. And Seven Lions, for dubstep, too. I'm sure you know him...he has lots of good remixes of Above & Beyond/Oceanlab tracks, too

And that's true. A few of those names I don't know (maybe before my time...I guess I discovered trance around 10 years ago), but the rest I love. Obviously there is a lot of good trance being produced still...like, I guess you can look at the Oceanlab/Nalin & Kane - Beachball type of sound and say that it's been replaced by the louder, 'uplifting' trance. I guess part of that is again due to the improvement in production technologies - 20 years ago, songs naturally sounded simpler, hence calmer, because you were obviously limited in terms of the synths, the number of audio tracks/layers, processing power etc if you were working on a computer (as opposed to purely using hardware)...now, if you have any pc with half-decent specs, you can obviously run 10 resource-intensive plugins simultaneously, with 100s of effects on them etc...I guess that's why the 'classic sound' is gone - since previously, perhaps you could only really use 10 ingredients...but now you can throw 100 ingredients into the pot. Whether more is better is obviously up for debate though...in terms of the 'classic' sound, I still love Solarstone and The Thrillseekers.

How about you then - did you ever get into producing or DJing?


Nice. I love this Metrik track especially. To be honest, I love the melodic/atmospheric/vocal tracks most...like for dubstep, this Seven Lions track I'm listening to now...especially the first minute
 
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DNB pendulum is normalized group though











To be honest, I think I've been quite lucky in the UK regarding trance - since the UK has a lot of producers per capita, whereas, I guess, the US, not so many. Plenty of events like Luminosity, ADE and a few others just a quick flight away in Europe too, which is probably less distance than between consecutive states in the US, so me flying to e.g. the Netherlands isn't an issue...and is a nice holiday in the process too

One thing I will admit that I like about the trance scene is that the crowd is often older - it's very common to see people/couples there in their late 30s, 40s or even 50s. If you go to some other EDM genres, then yeah, you get the douchey, fist-pumping bros (the type ER hated lol) who just want to just as drunk/take as many drugs as possible. Same with the producers too - there are lots of producers in their 40s or 50s too, who are just regular people - just living in a regular sized house, posting these sweet pictures of their kids in school uniform etc. They are producers who have been in the scene for 20 years, yet their Facebook profiles are more like someone's personal, family page - rather than something managed by someone they pay who sits in some office tower. I respect that about trance - that these guys (and the occasional female producer) just have regular lives. They just seem like all around decent, humble & grounded people, compared to a lot of 'DJs' who are egotisical assholes. Likewise, basically every trance producer gets into trance because they like the music - in contrast, other genres which are more popular and also significantly easier to make (with 1/5th the layers, being more focused on rhythm (easy) rather than melody (hard)) attract guys for the wrong reasons - again, the egotistical 'bro' who wants to be the center of attention by being a 'DJ'. With trance, you don't relly get that...since trance isn't considered a 'cool' genre, so there's no social gain for producing it...not to mention, as someone who's produced various tracks, I can easily produce these minimal genres (tribal house, tech house, to a lesser extent, deep house) and get something which sounds 7/10...with trance though, I've never been able to get anything that sounds remotely decent.

So in SF, yeah, I'm sure you're right, but at least in the UK, there were a few clubs in London and another in Birmingham (then more up North, in Manchester/Leeds/perhaps Newcastle) which fairly regularly had the biggest names in trance (Solarstone, Aly & Fila, The Thrillseekers, John O'Callaghan etc).


And on top of what @loserkarthusplayer said, I quite like "liquid dnb"...you might like that if you prefer softer/more calming/more melodic DnB

Feint is good:

As for a mix, I've not listened, but maybe something like this might be good...
Thx, guess I'll expand my playlist heavily :feelsokman:
 
Interesting observation op
 
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