Welcome to Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum

Welcome! This is a forum for involuntary celibates: people who lack a significant other. Are you lonely and wish you had someone in your life? You're not alone! Join our forum and talk to people just like you.

Most NormTards think Germans taking Moscow was enough for victory

  • Thread starter Justanotherbloke
  • Start date
Justanotherbloke

Justanotherbloke

Legend
★★★
Joined
Oct 26, 2024
Posts
3,786
A lot of normies talk like taking Moscow would’ve been a game changer and end all be all for the Germans, but it wouldn’t have been the silver bullet they were hoping for. For the Soviets it would’ve been a symbolic and psychological blow, but not strategically. The Soviet war machine wasn’t centralized in Moscow. A massive chunk of their industry had already been moved east and well beyond the Urals, out of Luftwaffe range and far from the front lines.

You’ve got places like Chelyabinsk, Sverdlovsk, and Kuybyshev now Samara of course in Russia, that were cranking out tanks, planes, and ammo like there was no tomorrow. Even if the Germans took Moscow, they’d still be facing a fully operational Soviet industrial base that was hundreds of kilometers deeper. Just taking a capital doesn’t shut down a country’s ability to fight, especially not one as huge and stubborn as the USSR.
Plus, the Soviets weren't going to fold just because they lost a city. Stalin had already made it clear, no surrender, they'd face reinforcements stationed from the far east as well.

Winter logistics were an utter failure on the German side, with Hitler thinking the house of cards wpuld crumble fast upon entry of the USSR, and the campaign lasting less than a couple of months. The Wehrmacht was already stretched thin just reaching the outskirts of Moscow. Supply lines were a mess. Pushing beyond that into deeper Russia? That would’ve been a logistical nightmare. No fuel, no food, roads turning into swamps in the spring, it was already falling apart.

So even if they somehow took Moscow, they still needed to push way deeper to cripple Soviet industry and truly knock the USSR out of the war. Without that, they were basically just poking the bear, not killing it. And given the scale, the distances, the weather, and the Soviets’ sheer refusal to die, it was doomed from the start. It really baffles me how stupid people can be, not thinking beyond certain milestones and seeing the whole picture.
That's also a normie way of thinking: instant gratification, completely focused on 1 thing which is Moscow in this case, thinking it's somehow the holy grail and the only thing needed for annihilation of Bolshevism and a victorious outcome in operation Barbarossa.
 
i see people online thinking the German Reich could've won against the USSR if only they did xyz, this just isn't true.
TNO unironically was on the right track by changing history from the 1920s to nerf the USSR so they could lose.
 
i see people online thinking the German Reich could've won against the USSR if only they did xyz, this just isn't true.
TNO unironically was on the right track by changing history from the 1920s to nerf the USSR so they could lose.
I highly doubt even with extra Panzer that it would have changed anything, the entire war was fucked from the start like I mentioned in one of my other threads. Entering the battle of Brittain without Messerschmitt was one of the dumbest moves too, I rank it in the top 3 for sure. But it looks as if Germany wanted a slight chance of victory, they should have secured the entire west front and make some sort of peace deal there. But of course, pig man Churchill probably funded by the kikes felt the need to constantly wage war against the Germans while Hitler literally made multiple attempts for peace in the early stages,
 
The only real way to have secured victory in WW2 was for every Jew to be dead.
 
The only real way to have secured victory in WW2 was for every Jew to be dead.
They were the ones behind the trade war prior to the war too, so it would not have started in the first place if they didn't push the Germans in a trade war, and communist jews funded Polish terrorists to conduct cross border raids to kill German citizens
 
I'm not a WW2 expert, although i used to be obsessed with Eastern front ngl. And iirc the Luftwaffe actually planned to carpetbomb industrial bases of the eastern USSR. The project received the designation "Uralbomber" and eventually failed. But nonetheless, the Germans were clearly aware of what the strategic aviation could be capable of, however the lack of resources and practical military necessity ruined everything.
Uralbomber
 
They needed to conquer the Caucasus region and its oil fields if they were to have any chance of winning a long-term conflict with the Soviets, and Hitler recognized this. Germany suffered from severe fuel shortages throughout the war, which hampered its logistics as well as its mechanized, armored, naval and air forces. Throughout the war, Germany had a huge stockpile of these weapons that could have turned the tide, but it couldn't use them because it simply didn't have enough fuel. The Wehrmacht was arguably never at its full potential thanks to this oil crises.
 
I'm not a WW2 expert, although i used to be obsessed with Eastern front ngl. And iirc the Luftwaffe actually planned to carpetbomb industrial bases of the eastern USSR. The project received the designation "Uralbomber" and eventually failed. But nonetheless, the Germans were clearly aware of what the strategic aviation could be capable of, however the lack of resources and practical military necessity ruined everything.
View attachment 1463743
They also planned an "Amerikabomber" capable of raiding the eastern seaboard, particularly New York City. Proto ICBMS were also theorized by German army scientists during the war.
 
A lot of normies talk like taking Moscow would’ve been a game changer and end all be all for the Germans, but it wouldn’t have been the silver bullet they were hoping for. For the Soviets it would’ve been a symbolic and psychological blow, but not strategically. The Soviet war machine wasn’t centralized in Moscow. A massive chunk of their industry had already been moved east and well beyond the Urals, out of Luftwaffe range and far from the front lines.

You’ve got places like Chelyabinsk, Sverdlovsk, and Kuybyshev now Samara of course in Russia, that were cranking out tanks, planes, and ammo like there was no tomorrow. Even if the Germans took Moscow, they’d still be facing a fully operational Soviet industrial base that was hundreds of kilometers deeper. Just taking a capital doesn’t shut down a country’s ability to fight, especially not one as huge and stubborn as the USSR.
Plus, the Soviets weren't going to fold just because they lost a city. Stalin had already made it clear, no surrender, they'd face reinforcements stationed from the far east as well.

Winter logistics were an utter failure on the German side, with Hitler thinking the house of cards wpuld crumble fast upon entry of the USSR, and the campaign lasting less than a couple of months. The Wehrmacht was already stretched thin just reaching the outskirts of Moscow. Supply lines were a mess. Pushing beyond that into deeper Russia? That would’ve been a logistical nightmare. No fuel, no food, roads turning into swamps in the spring, it was already falling apart.

So even if they somehow took Moscow, they still needed to push way deeper to cripple Soviet industry and truly knock the USSR out of the war. Without that, they were basically just poking the bear, not killing it. And given the scale, the distances, the weather, and the Soviets’ sheer refusal to die, it was doomed from the start. It really baffles me how stupid people can be, not thinking beyond certain milestones and seeing the whole picture.
That's also a normie way of thinking: instant gratification, completely focused on 1 thing which is Moscow in this case, thinking it's somehow the holy grail and the only thing needed for annihilation of Bolshevism and a victorious outcome in operation Barbarossa.
The Germans could have won if they had found a way to eliminate the Soviet ruling elite: Stalin and his entourage, and destabilize the Communist Party, among other things, the Germans would also have to propaganda process millions of Red Army soldiers captured so that they would go to fight in pro-German military formations, and this in addition to taking Moscow. In theory, they could have won if, instead of starving millions of captured Red Army soldiers, they had started creating ROA and similar formations earlier.
 
A lot of normies talk like taking Moscow would’ve been a game changer and end all be all for the Germans, but it wouldn’t have been the silver bullet they were hoping for. For the Soviets it would’ve been a symbolic and psychological blow, but not strategically. The Soviet war machine wasn’t centralized in Moscow. A massive chunk of their industry had already been moved east and well beyond the Urals, out of Luftwaffe range and far from the front lines.

You’ve got places like Chelyabinsk, Sverdlovsk, and Kuybyshev now Samara of course in Russia, that were cranking out tanks, planes, and ammo like there was no tomorrow. Even if the Germans took Moscow, they’d still be facing a fully operational Soviet industrial base that was hundreds of kilometers deeper. Just taking a capital doesn’t shut down a country’s ability to fight, especially not one as huge and stubborn as the USSR.
Plus, the Soviets weren't going to fold just because they lost a city. Stalin had already made it clear, no surrender, they'd face reinforcements stationed from the far east as well.

Winter logistics were an utter failure on the German side, with Hitler thinking the house of cards wpuld crumble fast upon entry of the USSR, and the campaign lasting less than a couple of months. The Wehrmacht was already stretched thin just reaching the outskirts of Moscow. Supply lines were a mess. Pushing beyond that into deeper Russia? That would’ve been a logistical nightmare. No fuel, no food, roads turning into swamps in the spring, it was already falling apart.

So even if they somehow took Moscow, they still needed to push way deeper to cripple Soviet industry and truly knock the USSR out of the war. Without that, they were basically just poking the bear, not killing it. And given the scale, the distances, the weather, and the Soviets’ sheer refusal to die, it was doomed from the start. It really baffles me how stupid people can be, not thinking beyond certain milestones and seeing the whole picture.
That's also a normie way of thinking: instant gratification, completely focused on 1 thing which is Moscow in this case, thinking it's somehow the holy grail and the only thing needed for annihilation of Bolshevism and a victorious outcome in operation Barbarossa.
By September 1941, most of the professional Red Army had been destroyed, either killed or captured. All the other ranks and officers from lieutenants to majors were conscripted, who were promoted to lieutenant in a hurry. The Germans had a chance to win, but Stalin simply had huge tens of millions of human resources. For most of the battles, the Wehrmacht suffered fewer human losses than the Red Army, and if you look at the victorious battles of the Red Army, it turns out that the losses were the same or slightly less for the Germans.
 
Rzhev battle
Screenshot 2025 06 11 21 27 03 413 comyandexbrowser


Battle for prokhorovka
Screenshot 2025 06 11 21 26 17 915 comyandexbrowser

Battle for Kerch
Screenshot 2025 06 11 21 25 49 281 comyandexbrowser


Look at the loss figures
 
By September 1941, most of the professional Red Army had been destroyed, either killed or captured. All the other ranks and officers from lieutenants to majors were conscripted, who were promoted to lieutenant in a hurry. The Germans had a chance to win, but Stalin simply had huge tens of millions of human resources. For most of the battles, the Wehrmacht suffered fewer human losses than the Red Army, and if you look at the victorious battles of the Red Army, it turns out that the losses were the same or slightly less for the Germans.
You make a fair poin by late 1941, the Red Army had been shattered, and the Germans were facing mostly fresh conscripts led by hastily promoted officers. Wehrmacht was tactically superior in many early battles, often taking fewer losses while inflicting devastating ones. There was a moment where a German victory seemed within reach.
And yes, Soviet victories later on often came at a staggering cost. The USSRs ability to absorb losses and keep going was less about finesse and more about endurance.
Just to be clear, I’m not downplaying the Germans, I was actually rooting for a German victory. And truth is, they could have succeeded in Barbarossa under different conditions.
Had they launched earlier in spring, avoided the Balkan diversion, and committed fully to a single axis, they might’ve broken Soviet coordination before the industrial relocation and reserve mobilization took full effect.
 
You make a fair poin by late 1941, the Red Army had been shattered, and the Germans were facing mostly fresh conscripts led by hastily promoted officers. Wehrmacht was tactically superior in many early battles, often taking fewer losses while inflicting devastating ones. There was a moment where a German victory seemed within reach.
And yes, Soviet victories later on often came at a staggering cost. The USSRs ability to absorb losses and keep going was less about finesse and more about endurance.
Just to be clear, I’m not downplaying the Germans, I was actually rooting for a German victory. And truth is, they could have succeeded in Barbarossa under different conditions.
Had they launched earlier in spring, avoided the Balkan diversion, and committed fully to a single axis, they might’ve broken Soviet coordination before the industrial relocation and reserve mobilization took full effect.
I agree with you.
 

Similar threads

sub5chud
Replies
7
Views
297
HeinzKell
HeinzKell
4sez
Replies
3
Views
676
DarkStar
DarkStar
Stupid Clown
Replies
14
Views
398
Darth Aquarius
Darth Aquarius
161
Replies
13
Views
559
psyop
psyop

Users who are viewing this thread

shape1
shape2
shape3
shape4
shape5
shape6
Back
Top