misconceptions of communism

[blackpillednigga]

1. Communism is when the government does stuff. No, communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society and the final stage of socialism, where workers own the means of production. It's basically a utopia

2. Communists want to erase people's cultures and identities. No, communists have supported ethnic groups right to self determination if they're subjugated by other ethnic groups. Id actually argue it's the opposite, they want as much peoples cultures being protected and preserved as possible. It's only pan-nationalists that want to erase peoples culture

3. Communism is feminist. While theres alot of trannies and feminists supporting communism, its their own delusional version of communism thats super tolerant of LGBTQ and the matriarchy. Communism itself has nothing to do with feminism

4. Right-wingers should oppose communism at all costs. Id actually argue the other way around. Right wingers are conservative and despise degenerate culture promoted by corporations and monopolies. All communist revolutions lead to these monopolies being overthrown in favor of a government that is more harsh against degeneracy and moral decay

5. Communism is jewish. Yes there have been jews that historically backed russian communist revolutions, but those jews were all secular and modern jews dont really associate themselves with communism anymore. Their loyalty has moved to zionism. Modern communists strongly oppose zionists and are often targeted by ZOG

 

[Lonelyus]

1. Communism is when the government does stuff. No, communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society and the final stage of socialism, where workers own the means of production. It's basically a utopia

2. Communists want to erase people's cultures and identities. No, communists have supported ethnic groups right to self determination if they're subjugated by other ethnic groups. Id actually argue it's the opposite, they want as much peoples cultures being protected and preserved as possible. It's only pan-nationalists that want to erase peoples culture

3. Communism is feminist. While theres alot of trannies and feminists supporting communism, its their own delusional version of communism thats super tolerant of LGBTQ and the matriarchy. Communism itself has nothing to do with feminism

4. Right-wingers should oppose communism at all costs. Id actually argue the other way around. Right wingers are conservative and despise degenerate culture promoted by corporations and monopolies. All communist revolutions lead to these monopolies being overthrown in favor of a government that is more harsh against degeneracy and moral decay

5. Communism is jewish. Yes there have been jews that historically backed russian communist revolutions, but those jews were all secular and modern jews dont really associate themselves with communism anymore. Their loyalty has moved to zionism. Modern communists strongly oppose zionists and are often targeted by ZOG

If its moneyless, Why did they have money in the USSR?

 

[blackpillednigga]

If its moneyless, Why did they have money in the USSR?

USSR considered themselves in a transition stage to communism. communism is an end goal

 

[Lonelyus]

USSR considered themselves in a transition stage to communism. communism is an end goal

No thanks, I prefer living off wagies taxes for NEETbuxx.

 

[blackpillednigga]

No thanks, I prefer living off wagies taxes for NEETbuxx.

who says you cant do that under communism. in fact communism would be more empathetic to those who are unable to work for whatever reason

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

who says you cant do that under communism. in fact communism would be more empathetic to those who are unable to work for whatever reason

The USSR had laws against anti social parasitic behavior that were rather hostile to non NT people and NEETs would've been forced to work in al likelihood. Granted, the USSR wasn't the only example of a state that adhered to communist principles but most leftist states hardly work out as intended

 

[Fatass3000]

who says you cant do that under communism. in fact communism would be more empathetic to those who are unable to work for whatever reason

this. People also use this as an argument against communism

 

[blackpillednigga]

The USSR had laws against anti social parasitic behavior that were rather hostile to non NT people and NEETs would've been forced to work in al likelihood. Granted, the USSR wasn't the only example of a state that adhered to communist principles but most leftist states hardly work out as intended

a nation has to strongly discourage worklessness in order to function, but thats under socialism, the transition stage to communism. once we reach a stateless, classless, moneyless society, work would be just a voluntary thing. meanwhile capitalists end goal is to concentrate the means of production and wealth to a handful of people, and force the rest to be wage slaves

 

[Fatass3000]

Granted, the USSR wasn't the only example of a state that adhered to communist principles but most leftist states hardly work out as intended

because every leftist state had been run by a dictator. I'm curious to see the results of a leftist state in a democratic country. And Yugoslavia didn't do bad, mainly because their dictator wasn't a complete shit head.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

1. Communism is when the government does stuff. No, communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society and the final stage of socialism, where workers own the means of production. It's basically a utopia

2. Communists want to erase people's cultures and identities. No, communists have supported ethnic groups right to self determination if they're subjugated by other ethnic groups. Id actually argue it's the opposite, they want as much peoples cultures being protected and preserved as possible. It's only pan-nationalists that want to erase peoples culture

3. Communism is feminist. While theres alot of trannies and feminists supporting communism, its their own delusional version of communism thats super tolerant of LGBTQ and the matriarchy. Communism itself has nothing to do with feminism

4. Right-wingers should oppose communism at all costs. Id actually argue the other way around. Right wingers are conservative and despise degenerate culture promoted by corporations and monopolies. All communist revolutions lead to these monopolies being overthrown in favor of a government that is more harsh against degeneracy and moral decay

5. Communism is jewish. Yes there have been jews that historically backed russian communist revolutions, but those jews were all secular and modern jews dont really associate themselves with communism anymore. Their loyalty has moved to zionism. Modern communists strongly oppose zionists and are often targeted by ZOG

Explain the cultural revolution in China then.

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

a nation has to strongly discourage worklessness in order to function, but thats under socialism, the transition stage to communism. once we reach a stateless, classless, moneyless society, work would be just a voluntary thing. meanwhile capitalists end goal is to concentrate the means of production and wealth to a handful of people, and force the rest to be wage slaves

Marx's utopian goal always seemed like a cop out to me. He assumes it will just naturally happen from what I've seen, yet in every application of his theory it doesn't pan out. I would want a society where people work for themselves and don't have to be reduced to cogs but I've yet to see any political ideology or system which explains its process thoroughly to come up with solutions and reach that goal

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

because every leftist state had been run by a dictator. I'm curious to see the results of a leftist state in a democratic country. And Yugoslavia didn't do bad, mainly because their dictator wasn't a complete shit head.

Every democratic country is designed to keep the status quo intact as possible so any genuinely radical leftwing proposals to benefit the working class never get translated fully into policy.

 

[blackpillednigga]

Explain the cultural revolution in China then.

china and other "communist" countries ended up adopting their own version of communism rather than adhering to the original principles of marxism. the cultural revolution was mao's way of getting the people to fully submit to the state

 

[Bianor]

If its moneyless, Why did they have money in the USSR?

 

[blackpillednigga]

Marx's utopian goal always seemed like a cop out to me. He assumes it will just naturally happen from what I've seen, yet in every application of his theory it doesn't pan out. I would want a society where people work for themselves and don't have to be reduced to cogs but I've yet to see any political ideology or system which explains its process thoroughly to come up with solutions and reach that goal

marx never really intended to get into details about how to reach that utopia because it was just that, a utopia. but yeah, communism is never meant to be achieved naturally. it would require getting all countries to embrace socialism and to cooperate with each other to eliminate borders to achieve statelessness

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

china and other "communist" countries ended up adopting their own version of communism rather than adhering to the original principles of marxism. the cultural revolution was mao's way of getting the people to fully submit to the state

How come every communist state ends up doing something similar?

 

[blackpillednigga]

How come every communist state ends up doing something similar?

north korea and the soviet union actually tried to preserve their culture

 

[lifesucksandyoudie]

marx never really intended to get into details about how to reach that utopia because it was just that, a utopia. but yeah, communism is never meant to be achieved naturally. it would require getting all countries to embrace socialism and to cooperate with each other to eliminate borders to achieve statelessness

The state withering away always did reek of wishful thinking to me. If history has taught us anything, the elites never willingly give up their power.

 

[Copexodius Maximus]

north korea and the soviet union actually tried to preserve their culture

i’m pretty sure the ussr had a cultural revolution of their own, and the social aspect of it involved destruction of the old traditions to create one with a marxist framework. Persecution of religion was also common.

As for North Korea, it’s hard to know what they are doing there at all tbf. The information I’ve come across seems contradictory.

 

[AsiaCel]

2. In accordingly to point 1, a "country" without a state, would have very low social cohesion, and thus, be easily invaded. The ultimate goal of Marxist ideology is world communism, the pro-localist stance is temporary and realpolitik to fight against the capitalistic world order.

A simple look at communist arts, flags, styles reflect this. Ironically, fascism is difficult to grade (many historians argue if X country is fascist) because it is very diverse and localized to the country. For example, common examples of "fascism" include japanese ultranationalism, Nazism, Spanish francoism which serves pretty much the same function but different from classical fascism as Mussolini have proposed.

3.Marxists see people as number. The fundamentalism of what Marx said regarding women, can be seen here; his idea of observing the world, is called dialectical materialism; modern leftists generally interpret it as "everyone is politically equal and there is no such thing as different personalities because they are not something that can be *observed*".

Example of dialectical materialism as envisioned by modern leftists: seeing blacks as criminals because of their material (poverty) condition, not because of their inherent difference in behavior and personality.

4.You should support localized, national socialism, not communism; communism (and mainstream socialism) has been hijacked by progressive force that has been working seamlessly with capitalists. Ironically, radical feminism (the commie version of feminism) and bourgeoise feminism (the leftard critique of it) has lots of goals in common, also, they both support open borders (cheap labor and we all are one human race blahblahblah)

Moreover, "true communism" has been proven to fail over and over, by the simple fact that "communist" countries turn to something fascistic-like. - class collaborationism, closed borders, conservativism

For example, the struggle between Stalin's "socialism in one country" (sounds similar?) against Leon Trotsky's globalized, permanent revolution.

Soviet Union was socially conservative and had closed borders, and a class of KGB elites.

North Korea turned into racial isolationism

Romania literally banned birth control and abortion

China is pushing for the great rejuvenation of the Chinese Volk (certainly not internationalistic lol)

 

[AshamedVirgin34]

I don't defend capitalism,but I defend free market, companies should have certain independence from the state so that they can take decissions without asking the govt for permission, if the govt controls everything the govt could use all that power for good but also for bad, that's why I don't trust in the govt. Isn't it funny how much communism says that the solution to capitalist monopolies is... well... transforming the govt into a huge monopoly even more authoritarian and ruthless than the previous monopolies?

However, I prefer scandinavian capitalism than American capitalism.

 

[Monke]

OP under communism:

 

[AshamedVirgin34]

Also, yes, in theory communism is "stateless", but I don't know if that's very realistic, that sounds just too abstract.

 

[AshamedVirgin34]

OP under communism:

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The means of re-production have been successfully expropriated jfl

 

[weaselbomber]

1. Communism is when the government does stuff. No, communism is a stateless, classless, moneyless society and the final stage of socialism, where workers own the means of production. It's basically a utopia

the means to achieve that (naive and unachievable) goal is through hardcore authoritarianism

2. Communists want to erase people's cultures and identities. No, communists have supported ethnic groups right to self determination if they're subjugated by other ethnic groups. Id actually argue it's the opposite, they want as much peoples cultures being protected and preserved as possible. It's only pan-nationalists that want to erase peoples culture

Sinicization of Tibet - Wikipedia

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Population transfer in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

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Russians in the Baltic states - Wikipedia

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Kaliningrad Oblast - Wikipedia

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not mentioning shit commies think somehow is made up like the holodomor

4. Right-wingers should oppose communism at all costs. Id actually argue the other way around. Right wingers are conservative and despise degenerate culture promoted by corporations and monopolies. All communist revolutions lead to these monopolies being overthrown in favor of a government that is more harsh against degeneracy and moral decay

Red Terror (Spain) - Wikipedia

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tell me how killing priests and people who upheld the conservative Spanish views of old is somehow in favour of harsher policies towards degeneracy and moral decay?

 

[AsiaCel]

Also, yes, in theory communism is "stateless", but I don't know if that's very realistic, that sounds just too abstract.

That's because it's impossible. A stateless "country" would have very low social cohesion, being vulnerable to invasion and influence from other countries.

So communists' answer to this, is to impose world communism; they're not wrong in the sense that this is the only mean to preserve their utopia.

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Marxists only believe in one "country", that is, the global proletariat class (non means of production owning), and to achieve the final victory, is to tear down all existing countries. Hence the term "workers of the world unite".

Thus came the struggle of Leon Trotsky's globalist "permanent revolution" which fought with Joseph Stalin's "socialism in one country", which even Stalin himself admired to his mother "I am like a tsar!".

Communists, the ones that adhere to the ideology (not the so called red fash), are all globalists.

 

[based_meme]

It's basically a utopia

 

[blackpillednigga]

the means to achieve that (naive and unachievable) goal is through hardcore authoritarianism

no. anarcho-communists and democratic socialists advocate for a more decentralized approach to communism. where all nations voluntarily collectivize the economy. it would be inevitable if there reaches a point of crony capitalism and people start advocating for a revolution

Sinicization of Tibet - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Population transfer in the Soviet Union - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Russians in the Baltic states - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Kaliningrad Oblast - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

not mentioning shit commies think somehow is made up like the holodomor

theres nothing that says they wouldnt do the same thing if it they werent communist-party lead. its russian and chinese imperialism

Red Terror (Spain) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

tell me how killing priests and people who upheld the conservative Spanish views of old is somehow in favour of harsher policies towards degeneracy and moral decay?

bolshevism is socially left wing. but im saying communism doesnt have to be left wing and right wingers shouldnt be hostile to the idea of communism just because neoliberals claim its far-left

 

[blackpillednigga]

why facepalm? communism is a utopia that people should try to achieve as close as possible to

 

[based_meme]

why facepalm? communism is a utopia that people should try to achieve as close as possible to

My brother in inceldom and humanity, it cannot work. Human nature will not allow it. We are social and hierarchical. In a Utopia we would "all be equal." It's not a reality that can exist for us.