It's Over Men do not value friendships anymore

[Tryna Ascend]

I feel like nowadays alot of men care more about the APPEARANCE of a good friendship where they can share their escapades on social media and monkey branch through the social hierarchy by befriending high value males where these friendships do not last at all and end usually when the friend group fucks one of their friends girl or their is dishonesty in the friendgroup which leads to fallouts and beef

They would much rathdt have a situational Male fridndgroup rather than having a tight loyal friend group where you can actually enjoy spending time with each other and share memories together and ACTUALLY have good solid friend group rather than appearing like you have one

I feel another reason that causes this is that men would much rather befriend and spend all of their time with their girlfriend and vent about their issues, spend time with them etc rather than their Male group

I can't even count on 2 hands how many times I seen this happen where one of the friends in the friend group would stop talking to their friends all together as soon as they get a girlfriend

And guess what happens?

The Male or friend will always get dumped

Men need to realize that you need to use your women to satisfy your biological urges like sex and reproduction

And the rest like company, venting etc you need to have a Male friend group for that.

Here is a good article showing statistics and explaining why this is happening

It shouldn't take you long to read

Podcast #726: What's Causing the Male Friendship Recession?

According to a recent survey, the percentage of men with at least six close friends has fallen by half since 1990. I talk to Daniel Cox to find out why.

www.artofmanliness.com

The percentage of men with at least six close friends has fallen by half since 1990, and men today are 5X more likely to say they don’t even have a single close friend than they were thirty years ago

Here is a survey (long read ahead)

The State of American Friendship: Change, Challenges, and Loss - The Survey Center on American Life

The May 2021 American Perspectives Survey finds that Americans report having fewer close friendships than they once did, talking to their friends less often, and relying less on their friends for personal support.

www.americansurveycenter.org

I guess you can say alot of men possess women traits like for example wanting to befriend someone higher value than them rather than befriending someone on their own level and leveling up together

This is exactly how foids act

Men nowadays are so fucking stupid

Atleast women have a sisterhood bond and although they are affected the same as men in terms of not having a strong friend group

They are not as affected as men because women understand the POWER of a solid friendgroup whereas men don't and statistics show that

The rise of feminism was all thanks to the power the sisterhood has over men

Men aren't men anymore we were raised by mostly women which is why alot of men act like women because they were taught how to behave by their mothers rather than their fathers

Thoughts?

 

[AsiaCel]

Agree. Guys need to band together against foids

 

[Tryna Ascend]

Agree. Guys need to band together against foids

It's not that

I mean who cares about foids at this point even the men nowadays have alot of women traits In them like I said in the last paragraph about how men monkey branch In the social hierarchy by only befriending men who are higher value than them

Men would much rather chase a crumb of pussy than a solid friend group

 

[Sans]

I wish I had a good friend group. If I knew some forum users who lived nearby I’d like to go to a bar and get drunk together.

 

[Dokes]

Men have been brainwashed into becoming a servant for foids. Unless u are a chad u are seen as a second class citizen

 

[NirvanaFan1988]

They have been cucked by western jew propaganda

 

[RollD20]

i think the last time there was a semblance of a male group that could remember was in middleschool before highschool, mostly centred around hobbies and things.
Now hobbies are just a thing to branch to a larger circle, I don’t think men take hobbies seriously anymore it’s why male circles have mostly collapsed and instead replaced with chasing women. I wonder how much of this is due to media and brainwashing. This might also be why depression is increasing world wide.

 

[Doomer Guy]

What do we have left then? Lonewolfmaxxing?

 

[DenHaag]

Dudes are turning into chicks.

Voila they’re flakier than ever

 

[uselessrice]

I can't even count on 2 hands how many times I seen this happen where one of the friends in the friend group would stop talking to their friends all together as soon as they get a girlfriend

Same story I experienced. I met the closest group of male friends I ever had. We had so much fun but the minute they had a girlfriend they would drop everything.

I don't think this is just with men though. I think friendships are not appreciated as much anymore. I have very few friends left because I stopped talking to the ones that would drop me once they got pussy and then would reconnect after they broke up in 2 weeks. I didn't like feeling like some emotional backup for when their crazy foid dumps their ass.

No homo. I just like being loyal to my friends given how hard it is to make friends as we grow older

 

[Saint Cho]

Lots of men don't even have friends nowadays. Just wagecuck, go home, drink, sleep, repeat.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

Males revolve around women, even more so than before now that females hold the keys. Most males are bluepilled, never forget. They do not see anything wrong with their actions - the woman comes first. Whipped simps; no balls, no allegiances other than to muh kween. Society is just fucking terrible now. Single mothers cannot raise strong men. Incel/simp factories. The future truly is female - that is not good.

So true and brutal

 

[Tryna Ascend]

Lots of men don't even have friends nowadays. Just wagecuck, go home, drink, sleep, repeat.

Same story I experienced. I met the closest group of male friends I ever had. We had so much fun but the minute they had a girlfriend they would drop everything.

I don't think this is just with men though. I think friendships are not appreciated as much anymore. I have very few friends left because I stopped talking to the ones that would drop me once they got pussy and then would reconnect after they broke up in 2 weeks. I didn't like feeling like some emotional backup for when their crazy foid dumps their ass.

No homo. I just like being loyal to my friends given how hard it is to make friends as we grow older

Sorry to hear that man

Funny those same guys who do that are the same who preach the"Bros before hoes" mentality rofl

If your still in school I suggest finding a friend group with other incels because too many normies care about chasing chicks then having a solid friend group

 

[uselessrice]

Sorry to hear that man

Funny those same guys who do that are the same who preach the"Bros before hoes" mentality rofl

If your still in school I suggest finding a friend group with other incels because too many normies care about chasing chicks then having a solid friend group

Thanks brocel. Yes, they preached it a lot lol.
The closest friends I have got were the ones I made from a public speaking group. Most of them were socially anxious so it was easy to make friends with them.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

I wonder how much of this is due to media and brainwashing

It plays a huge role

The media is hypersexualizing everything

Every TV show every movie every figure always touch on sex way too much

It's even in video games now to look how many female characters are being sexualised by normies, for example the cartel leader in the new COD game literally every normie is talking about how sexy she is

Even if you don't have any type of media outlet you will still be brainwashed by the normies as that's all they talk about

You can't escape it no matter how hard you try

Fuck this world

 

[Tryna Ascend]

Thanks brocel. Yes, they preached it a lot lol.
The closest friends I have got were the ones I made from a public speaking group. Most of them were socially anxious so it was easy to make friends with them.

That's good to hear hopefully they share the same mindset as you and you guys can have a solid friend group

 

[ThebegottenSon]

I feel like nowadays alot of men care more about the APPEARANCE of a good friendship where they can share their escapades on social media and monkey branch through the social hierarchy by befriending high value males where these friendships do not last at all and end usually when the friend group fucks one of their friends girl or their is dishonesty in the friendgroup which leads to fallouts and beef

They would much rathdt have a situational Male fridndgroup rather than having a tight loyal friend group where you can actually enjoy spending time with each other and share memories together and ACTUALLY have good solid friend group rather than appearing like you have one

I feel another reason that causes this is that men would much rather befriend and spend all of their time with their girlfriend and vent about their issues, spend time with them etc rather than their Male group

I can't even count on 2 hands how many times I seen this happen where one of the friends in the friend group would stop talking to their friends all together as soon as they get a girlfriend

And guess what happens?

The Male or friend will always get dumped

Men need to realize that you need to use your women to satisfy your biological urges like sex and reproduction

And the rest like company, venting etc you need to have a Male friend group for that.

Here is a good article showing statistics and explaining why this is happening

It shouldn't take you long to read

Podcast #726: What's Causing the Male Friendship Recession?

According to a recent survey, the percentage of men with at least six close friends has fallen by half since 1990. I talk to Daniel Cox to find out why.

www.artofmanliness.com

The percentage of men with at least six close friends has fallen by half since 1990, and men today are 5X more likely to say they don’t even have a single close friend than they were thirty years ago

Here is a survey (long read ahead)

The State of American Friendship: Change, Challenges, and Loss - The Survey Center on American Life

The May 2021 American Perspectives Survey finds that Americans report having fewer close friendships than they once did, talking to their friends less often, and relying less on their friends for personal support.

www.americansurveycenter.org

I guess you can say alot of men possess women traits like for example wanting to befriend someone higher value than them rather than befriending someone on their own level and leveling up together

This is exactly how foids act

Men nowadays are so fucking stupid

Atleast women have a sisterhood bond and although they are affected the same as men in terms of not having a strong friend group

They are not as affected as men because women understand the POWER of a solid friendgroup whereas men don't and statistics show that

The rise of feminism was all thanks to the power the sisterhood has over men

Men aren't men anymore we were raised by mostly women which is why alot of men act like women because they were taught how to behave by their mothers rather than their fathers

Thoughts?

They never cared

 

[Michael W. Ford]

I want some friends

 

[Tryna Ascend]

I want some friends

Use some of your spells then lol

 

[RollD20]

It plays a huge role

The media is hypersexualizing everything

Every TV show every movie every figure always touch on sex way too much

It's even in video games now to look how many female characters are being sexualised by normies, for example the cartel leader in the new COD game literally every normie is talking about how sexy she is

Even if you don't have any type of media outlet you will still be brainwashed by the normies as that's all they talk about

You can't escape it no matter how hard you try

Tbh its really bad now that you mention it.
It was never this bad before
The amount of characters that casually mention sexualized topics has gone out of hand its actually pretty cringe.
The fact that people still eat it up though makes it more cringe, they turn anything into a sex object.

I wonder if its like the fall of rome type scenario, everyone gets too decadent and it eats out society from the inside.

 

[based_meme]

@gymletethnicel We were just talking about something similar - why men make friends with each other.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

Tbh its really bad now that you mention it.
It was never this bad before
The amount of characters that casually mention sexualized topics has gone out of hand its actually pretty cringe.
The fact that people still eat it up though makes it more cringe, they turn anything into a sex object.

I wonder if its like the fall of rome type scenario, everyone gets too decadent and it eats out society from the inside.

I am hoping that eventually once redpill is mainstream which it is

That the majority of normies who fail with red pill will eventually find the blackpill which will make normies wake up

Or just a collapse in society as 55% of males will be incel in 10 years

 

[Michael W. Ford]

Use some of your spells then lol

It's not like skyrim. I can't just scroll through menu, and shoot shit out my hands. I need to fast send nofap for 3+ days get enough energy to successfully cast a spell. I use physical materials bought from a botanica in my spells. It's not free. I could perform a sigil spell with a pen, and paper, but there is the issue of magical timing. The moon is waning. The waning moon is good for curses, not for bringing friendship into my life. I could perform the ritual in the morning under the sun. I'm just saying spellcraft isn't that easy. It's not like a video game.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

It is rather overwhelming. We as incels are simultaneously in the thick of it and on the sidelines - it feels like society is sliding steadily toward the wrong future. We are essentially powerless; it does feel like the powers that be want this, a bunch of sheep confused and distracted. I try to bury my head in the sand; perhaps society isn't as bad as we think, but the data seems to get worse every year...

Blackpill will be as mainstream as redpill eventually

it has to be

 

[based_meme]

I feel like nowadays alot of men care more about the APPEARANCE of a good friendship where they can share their escapades on social media and monkey branch through the social hierarchy by befriending high value males where these friendships do not last at all and end usually when the friend group fucks one of their friends girl or their is dishonesty in the friendgroup which leads to fallouts and beef

They would much rathdt have a situational Male fridndgroup rather than having a tight loyal friend group where you can actually enjoy spending time with each other and share memories together and ACTUALLY have good solid friend group rather than appearing like you have one

I feel another reason that causes this is that men would much rather befriend and spend all of their time with their girlfriend and vent about their issues, spend time with them etc rather than their Male group

I can't even count on 2 hands how many times I seen this happen where one of the friends in the friend group would stop talking to their friends all together as soon as they get a girlfriend

And guess what happens?

The Male or friend will always get dumped

Men need to realize that you need to use your women to satisfy your biological urges like sex and reproduction

And the rest like company, venting etc you need to have a Male friend group for that.

Here is a good article showing statistics and explaining why this is happening

It shouldn't take you long to read

Podcast #726: What's Causing the Male Friendship Recession?

According to a recent survey, the percentage of men with at least six close friends has fallen by half since 1990. I talk to Daniel Cox to find out why.

www.artofmanliness.com

The percentage of men with at least six close friends has fallen by half since 1990, and men today are 5X more likely to say they don’t even have a single close friend than they were thirty years ago

Here is a survey (long read ahead)

The State of American Friendship: Change, Challenges, and Loss - The Survey Center on American Life

The May 2021 American Perspectives Survey finds that Americans report having fewer close friendships than they once did, talking to their friends less often, and relying less on their friends for personal support.

www.americansurveycenter.org

I guess you can say alot of men possess women traits like for example wanting to befriend someone higher value than them rather than befriending someone on their own level and leveling up together

This is exactly how foids act

Men nowadays are so fucking stupid

Atleast women have a sisterhood bond and although they are affected the same as men in terms of not having a strong friend group

They are not as affected as men because women understand the POWER of a solid friendgroup whereas men don't and statistics show that

The rise of feminism was all thanks to the power the sisterhood has over men

Men aren't men anymore we were raised by mostly women which is why alot of men act like women because they were taught how to behave by their mothers rather than their fathers

Thoughts?

Based and very valuable thread.

You bring up a very important topic that is rarely, if ever, discussed in male spaces. My sandnigga @gymletethnicel and I were literally talking about this a few hours ago and mentioned how the black pill increases your overall cynicism and cynicism towards other people in society, and - exactly how said - people view others selfishly in a utilitarian way to see how they benefit from the friendship.

The reasons behind this are also as you said. It has to with the environment in which they're raised (lots of single and/or divorcee moms). Society being gynocentric makes it worse also, as socially developing males begin to adopt female values towards the concept of friendship.

The end result is a whole lot of vapid and shallow friendships that barely even qualify for the definition of friendship.

 

[DayOfTheRodger]

I noticed this often, sometimes it's an even greater absolute reluctance to have close friends, one of my old acquaintances refused to do stuff outside of school with anyone.

 

[Jestercelman]

Yes. I can rant about male nature as much as I can about foid nature.

 

[ADHD_cel]

As a friendless neurodivergent men, I don’t give a fuck

 

[Izayacel]

I wish I had a good friend group. If I knew some forum users who lived nearby I’d like to go to a bar and get drunk together.

Would Be funny and an actual intend for me to Go to a bar

 

[Balding Subhuman]

I think the advancement of technology causes this. In the past one of the most stimulating things you could have done is have a conversation with someone, now we have endless source of entertainment almost constantly on our hands and we are arguably more miserable than we ever were.

 

[Diocel]

brotherhood built civilization

 

[surreal]

Agreed but also

Lots of men don't even have friends nowadays. Just wagecuck, go home, drink, sleep, repeat.

 

[TBIcel]

Milgram experiment - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

most people have zero morals or sense of right or wrong and would shove you under the bus figuratively or even literally for social approval. The blackpill is liberating in a sense as you know human nature and know what to expect.

 

[SlayerSlayer]

most normie men dont give a fuck about male friends, because they have wives or girlfriends to fuck, and/or children to feed

 

[Zhou Chang-Xing]

I guess you can say alot of men possess women traits like for example wanting to befriend someone higher value than them rather than befriending someone on their own level and leveling up together

This is exactly how foids act

Men nowadays are so fucking stupid

With the difference also being that higher status men generally are weary of lower status men because they know that the lower status ones will try to exploit them somehow (scamming or exhausting their connections giving them a bad reputation). Toilets can act like this, but men can't.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

most normie men dont give a fuck about male friends, because they have wives or girlfriends to fuck, and/or children to feed

thats for people in their 30's or late 20's

Its not like that for zoomercels or collegecels

Even then your supposed to have a friendgroup if you have a GF because placing all your emotional security into ONE person especially a female is a very bad idea

 

[Tryna Ascend]

I think the advancement of technology causes this. In the past one of the most stimulating things you could have done is have a conversation with someone, now we have endless source of entertainment almost constantly on our hands and we are arguably more miserable than we ever were.

Agreed

Studies have shown that we are in the loneliest and the most depressed generation ever due to the influx of social media and other media outlets which fries our brain and makes us dumber thus causing ADHD and other disorders which makes us worse with irl socializing

 

[JustAGuy93]

It's not that

I mean who cares about foids at this point even the men nowadays have alot of women traits In them like I said in the last paragraph about how men monkey branch In the social hierarchy by only befriending men who are higher value than them

Men would much rather chase a crumb of pussy than a solid friend group

Yeah no shit, pretty normal if you are a normally functioning healthy heterosexual man.

I give you tomorrow the chance to bang a hot 20 something white pawg with georgous tits that would suck the soul out of your dick and ride you until you would have no more cum dripping out of your cock, pretty sure you wouldn't give a fuck about the fishing trip you had planned with your homies.

Stop coping bro, all us men are the same. Some of us are just ugly fucks who can't get laid, don't make it more complicated than it actually is.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

I give you tomorrow the chance to bang a hot 20 something white pawg with georgous tits that would suck the soul out of your dick and ride you until you would have no more cum dripping out of your cock, pretty sure you wouldn't give a fuck about the fishing trip you had planned with your homies.

its 2023 how many people will actually have a chance to have a hot 20 yr old let alone a girlfriend that will consistently give sex

Do you know how many dead bedroom relationships there are?

 

[lifefuel]

It's easy for women to have and maintain friends because they can always acquire and compartmentalize what it is they need from men, such as sex and resources.

It's all biology and reproduction. You aren't passing on your lineage through your male friends.

For the average man to get and keep a woman around for any notable period of time, it requires a significant investment, and unfortunately friends are often the price of that investment. This is also why it's so common for men to throw their friends under the bus for pussy or sleep with their friend's girlfriends. Though, to be fair, women do this as well.

It's one thing if you're Chad or and you're beating off women with a stick. Or have access to regular sex. You can afford to invest in your friends and take the women as they come.

It all comes down to ease-of-access to the opposite sex.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

For the average man to get and keep a woman around for any notable period of time, it requires a significant investment, and unfortunately friends are often the price of that investment. This is also why it's so common for men to throw their friends under the bus for pussy or sleep with their friend's girlfriends. Though, to be fair, women do this as well.

Ya but if you have to invest time into your women rather then your friends isn't that being clingy?

Something that women hate?

 

[lifefuel]

Ya but if you have to invest time into your women rather then your friends isn't that being clingy?

Something that women hate?

Subchads generally have to give a lot of upfront energy, time and money in order to get the girl in the first place.

 

[EternalStorm]

Males revolve around women, even more so than before now that females hold the keys. Most males are bluepilled, never forget. They do not see anything wrong with their actions - the woman comes first. Whipped simps; no balls, no allegiances other than to muh kween. Society is just fucking terrible now. Single mothers cannot raise strong men. Incel/simp factories. The future truly is female - that is not good.

 

[BarrelStuffer]

It's easy for women to have and maintain friends because they can always acquire and compartmentalize what it is they need from men, such as sex and resources.

It's all biology and reproduction. You aren't passing on your lineage through your male friends.

For the average man to get and keep a woman around for any notable period of time, it requires a significant investment, and unfortunately friends are often the price of that investment. This is also why it's so common for men to throw their friends under the bus for pussy or sleep with their friend's girlfriends. Though, to be fair, women do this as well.

It's one thing if you're Chad or and you're beating off women with a stick. Or have access to regular sex. You can afford to invest in your friends and take the women as they come.

It all comes down to ease-of-access to the opposite sex.

Lol this, normies who aren’t incels still aren’t getting that much sex and have difficulty in finding long term partners so it makes sense that men are choosing foids over friends. Back in the day most men could easily get a young wife

 

[Tryna Ascend]

Lol this, normies who aren’t incels still aren’t getting that much sex and have difficulty in finding long term partners so it makes sense that men are choosing foids over friends. Back in the day most men could easily get a young wife

Ya but in doing so they are making the problem of not being able to get foids even worse

They chase them and give foids unlimited attention so it makes sense why women are extremely hypergamous

 

[lifeisbullshit95]

Lots of men don't even have friends nowadays. Just wagecuck, go home, drink, sleep, repeat.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

bump

 

[UnwantedVirgin]

Lots of men don't even have friends nowadays. Just wagecuck, go home, drink, sleep, repeat.

At least some of those men have a hole to fuck when they get home even if it's only receptive half the time.

 

[Tryna Ascend]

At least some of those men have a hole to fuck when they get home even if it's only receptive half the time.

Think about all the energy the guy has to put in to make sure the foid is interested in staying in a relationship or how much upfront energy he had to put in the first place to snag her

 

[UnwantedVirgin]

Think about all the energy the guy has to put in to make sure the foid is interested in staying in a relationship or how much upfront energy he had to put in the first place to snag her

Depends what he looks like I guess, normal and above don't have all the troubles we do.