Let's get down to the brass tacks, governments doing anything for men = political instability, less certain future

[turbocuckcel_7000]

In the short term there are only "ills" as a result of any governments trying to do something for us and stop the huge rate of male suicides, especially on an international scene.

I mean, why are there huge masculinity problems and tons of male suicides even in countries like MUH BASED RUSSIA, it's because the government can't afford the destabilizing effects and political complications of trying to reel in women's rights and bolster men, even a little bit.

Any such move that hasn't already been fought and politically-fortified in the past, is nothing but a huge risk that could lead to unpredictable strife and instability inside of the country, and weaken it in relation to all surrounding countries including its enemies. Even if countries and "based leaders" were willing to defy good public relations.

So the end result is that no matter how OMG BASED a country is, the bottom % of men always end up as some kind of soldiers, who must make do with less and be deprived for "the greater good", because it's how countries always through a crisis.
There is no such thing as a "based leader" or "based country" in these conditions and in this reality.

This is war and no one will save us from our foxholes or give a shit. The order to fight until the last man has been given. You're on your own.

 

[Akhnai]

This is a really bitter blackpill.
I used to think that we can craft an egalitarian political system or a nation where men will be judged by their merits and not genes.

Is all retarded dreams.Even in such system there will be males drafted for 'the greater good' when i think about it.That is just how a state functions

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Based russia. Sorry man but I literally spew my tea. Russia is the worst shithole there is.

Conservative neoliberals are surely the solution to our problem.

We need blood and hormone screenings, surgerybux, fuckbux and blackpill science in school and academia. Don't come me with based just because they hate trannies and gays.

This misguided obsession with LGBTQ as a major "problem", that somehow affects us, is really funny.

Toxic masculinuty is exactly the other side of the same coin. Telling men to man up and stfu.

Besides that theses crysises (your sentence appears incomplete) are manufactured in the first place anyway.

Any such move that hasn't already been fought and politically-fortified in the past, is nothing but a huge risk that could lead to unpredictable strife and instability inside of the country, and weaken it in relation to all surrounding countries including its enemies. Even if countries and "based leaders" were willing to defy good public relations.

Cope it just costs money. That's the only reason, why they don't do it.

"Just take away women rights and all will be good."

I can tell you an alternative solution of equal scope, just to put it into perspective. Take away incel rights and all will be good?

Where is there any logic? You don't have the morale high ground nor the economic one.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

This is a really bitter blackpill.
I used to think that we can craft an egalitarian political system or a nation where men will be judged by their merits and not genes.

Is all retarded dreams.Even in such system there will be males drafted for 'the greater good' when i think about it.That is just how a state functions

Whenever there's a problem, countries will figure out some way so that only the bottom men suffer, or suffer the most. And when relief comes, they get it last.

Based russia. Sorry man but I literally spew my tea. Russia is the worst shithole there is.

Conservative neoliberals are surely the solution to our problem.

We need blood and hormone screenings, surgerybux, fuckbux and blackpill science in school and academia. Don't come me with based just because they hate trannies and gays.

This misguided obsession with LGBTQ as a major "problem" is really funny.

Toxic masculinuty is exactly the other side of the same coin. Telling men to man up and stfu.

Besides that theses crysises (your sentence appears incomplete) are manufactured in the first place anyway.

It's true they are manufactured and spread all over the place from their origin point, but they still define our reality.

And whenever there's some difficulties, it's like we're in some crappy little war where someone needs to "fight" and be deprived, usually people like us. It's like we've had these wars ever since WW2 ended.

No idea if anything will ever change because the blockades against blackpilled and pro-man thinking are everywhere, including in the scientific fields.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Whenever there's a problem, countries will figure out some way so that only the bottom men suffer, or suffer the most. And when relief comes, they get it last.



It's true they are manufactured and spread all over the place from their origin point, but they still define our reality.

And whenever there's some difficulties, it's like we're in some crappy little war where someone needs to "fight" and be deprived, usually people like us. It's like we've had these wars ever since WW2 ended.

That's why we have to abandon to much financial inequality and pseudo nationalist oligarchy as a first step, then we can decide how to use the freed resources how to help truecels.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

abandon to much financial inequality

now that would lead to a real war, not this pretend shit

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

now that would lead to a real war, not this pretend shit

There is no other way imo. The elites will have to make room for the increased well being of broad stratas. This never worked on a voluntary basis in the past.

 

[FlyFace]

This is war and no one will save us from our foxholes or give a shit. The order to fight until the last man has been given. You're on your own.

The Enemy if they come for me better be ready to die because I am ready to win.

There is no such thing as a "based leader" or "based country" in these conditions and in this reality.

Anything that a group of people call "based" have been brainwashed into believing so.

This misguided obsession with LGBTQ as a major "problem" is really funny.

Toxic masculinuty is exactly the other side of the same coin. Telling men to man up and stfu.

Besides that theses crysises (your sentence appears incomplete) are manufactured in the first place anyway.

A non stop cycle of sin to distract from the real problem.

And whenever there's some difficulties, it's like we're in some crappy little war where someone needs to "fight" and be deprived, usually people like us. It's like we've had these wars ever since WW2 ended.

War is a very good distraction. It also gives the mirage of being able to better yourself. In reality if you even survive, the people that you have helped in oppressing will no doubt remember you.

The elites will have to make room for the increased well being of broad stratas.

Those Elites never like being told "no". Expect conflict when those on top are threatened. They will fight tooth and nail just to survive on their perch.

 

[Deleted member 17606]

Men are the first to fight for their country and people. The last to get benefits.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

That's why we have to abandon to much financial inequality and pseudo nationalist oligarchy as a first step, then we can decide how to use the freed resources how to help truecels.

This cope is hilarious. Financial inequlaity is a symptom of genetic inequality. There is no help for trucels because even if they are assigned a female by the state, she will never truly "love" him like she does Chad, because the trucel is genetically inferior. Even surgerymaxxing can't help him. Even if she is a virgin. The only path foward is the replacement of females through technology so that female selection pressure is no longer a factor.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

This cope is hilarious. Financial inequlaity is a symptom of genetic inequality. There is no help for trucels because even if they are addigned a female by the state, she will never truly "love" him like she does Chad, because the trucel is genetically inferior. Even surgerymaxxing can't help him. Even if she is a virgin. The only path foward is the replacement of females through technology so that female selection pressure is no longer a factor.

Well environmental factors exist (thinking about incelkids here). Surgerymaxxing can also help tons of people. This is not a black and white question. But ye the bottom of the barrel of us will still be fucked. Especially manlets. The only thing we can do for them is making their life as comfortable as possible and try to establish cultural change. At some point lookism will have to have the societal stance that homophobia or fat shaming has. Willl it be enough pressure, idk, but we have to try any potential measure that could help us.

Even better technology would cost money in the end and so does the development.

There is no cope, honestly.

 

[Nothingness]

You read my thoughts. Based as your avi

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Well environmental factors exist. Surgerymaxxing can also help tons of people. This is not a black and white question. But ye the bottom of the barrel of us will still be fucked. Especially manlets. The only thing we can do for them is making their life as comfortable as possible and try to establish cultural change (not sure if this would be possible). At some point lookism will have to have the societal stance that homophobia or fat shaming has . WIll it be neough pressure, idk. But we have to try any potential measure that could help us.

Even better technology would cost money in the end and so does the development.

There is no cope.

Environmental factors are largely irrelevant to this. Female hypergamy is a direct result of genetic programming. Sugerymaxxing is the equivalent of paternal frauding. She won't be attracted anymore once she learns her child needs surgery to fix his subhuman face that he got from his frauding father.

>bottom of the barrel will still be fucked
As I said, no solution.
>At some point lookism will have to have the societal stance that homophobia or fat shaming has
Lookism is based in genetics. People still hate fat people and faggotry is a mental disorder.

And technology will cost money. But it will cost less than your solution. And it will be developed regardless. Quantum AI and robotics will progress to that point anyways. Artifical womb tech is already in development, and sexbots are 10 years away
AI might take longer to completely replace women, but it will get there. Women will never love trucels. Its easier to build tech to replace women than to counteract 1 million+ years of evolution via propaganda.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Environmental factors are largely irrelevant to this. Female hypergamy is a direct result of genetic programming. Sugerymaxxing is the equivalent of paternal frauding. She won't be attracted anymore once she learns her child needs surgery to fix his subhuman face that he got from his frauding father.

>bottom of the barrel will still be fucked
As I said, no solution.
>At some point lookism will have to have the societal stance that homophobia or fat shaming has
Lookism is based in genetics. People still hate fat people and faggotry is a mental disorder.

And technology will cost money. But it will cost less than your solution. And it will be developed regardless. Quantum AI and robotics will progress to that point anyways. Artifical womb tech is already in development, and sexbots are 10 years away
AI might take longer to completely replace women, but it will get there. Women will never love trucels. Its easier to build tech to replace women than to counteract 1 million+ years of evolution via propaganda.

Environmental factors play a role in ugliness. Height, jaw development, hormones, bone mass, muscle all have environmental weak points.

That's why you won't tell her. And thank god later on the gender ratios reverses. So it's not like you can't find another foid.

Tech utopia is a) speculative b) you will still rely on the benevolence of the system. Good luck getting a sex robot for free in a neoliberal system. How do you know how much this shit will cost? It could very well go into the ten thousands.

Yes sure if everything works automatically everything is theoretically possible, but even then. World's ressources are limited and who guarantess you that the elite will not simply let a some more people close up in a way that they can all still consume as much and just extend their level of consumption towards those few more chosen people.

This is a gamble and water is wet level argument.

We have to set the societal conditions right first and then the solutions will follow.

If faggotry is a mental didorder then every minor defect is. Or do you really believe it can be "healed"?

Like it or not most people made peace. There is a societal component.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

That's why you won't tell her.

Tech utopia is a) speculative b) you will still rely on the benevolence of the system. Good luck getting a sex robot for free in a neoliberal system. How do you know how much this shit will cost? It could very well go into the hundredthousands.

Yes sure if everything works automatically everyhting is possible, but even then. Worlds ressources are limited and who ntells you that the elite will not simply let some more people into their position in a way that they can still consume as much mathematically and extend their level of consumption towards just some more people.

This is a gamble and water is wet level argument.

Tech utopia is not speculative. Its simply a matter of time and cost. Compare today's tech to 1919. And the sexbot doesn't need to be free, just cheap enough for mass consumption. In fact I would argue that it shouldn't be free to encourage men to contribute to society. Similar to how marriage/monogamy worked before it became what it is today.

Cost is externalized somewhat. Quantum AI has applications beyond sexbots, and the tech used in sexbots can be used in other kinds of robotics. Surgery has to be done every generation and has many possible complications for the patient. Its not a silver bullet. And female standards are the reason for these surgeries anyways. Why try to satisfy a perpertually hypergamous animal when we can just replace it?

As far as resources, we haven't even touched 10% of the worlds resources. I agree with you on the elites, but hypergamy is independent of economics or politics. Its a seperate, deeper issue.
Also I have to laugh at not telling her about surgery. She'll know when a trucel pops out of her womb.

 

[ShyManlet]

Women will never love trucels.

I dont think i can truly love my looksmatch either tbh...especially when she get old..
No one can truly love ugly people..in the past ugly beta men would rather pay top price to have pretty wives rather than their looksmatch..
Now pretty women are out of their price range for most betas so they have to betabuxx their looksmatch or get nothing,
Id rather pay for stacylite escorts or something than marry my looksmatch

Its easier to build tech to replace women than to counteract 1 million+ years of evolution via propaganda.

 

[Gyros_Pretcel]

Tech utopia is not speculative. Its simply a matter of time and cost. Compare today's tech to 1919. And the sexbot doesn't need to be free, just cheap enough for mass consumption. In fact I would argue that it shouldn't be free to encourage men to contribute to society. Similar to how marriage/monogamy worked before it became what it is today.

Cost is externalized somewhat. Quantum AI has applications beyond sexbots, and the tech used in sexbots can be used in other kinds of robotics. Surgery has to be done every generation and has many possible complications for the patient. Its not a silver bullet. And female standards are the reason for these surgeries anyways. Why try to satisfy a perpertually hypergamous animal when we can just replace it?

As far as resources, we haven't even touched 10% of the worlds resources. I agree with you on the elites, but hypergamy is independent of economics or politics. Its a seperate, deeper issue.

Yes it will come at some point. That's why I said water is wet. But when? Let's hope they won't use up to many rare earth in the meantime.

Taking about cost just take a look about the oligarchs trying to slow down progress clinging to their old business models.

You said that lookism stifles your economic capabilties. As I see it now plenty of truecels will get nothing.

Well we are doing it in the end to satisfy other animals too, ourselves, besides that we suffer now not in fifty years. ^^

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

War is a very good distraction. It also gives the mirage of being able to better yourself. In reality if you even survive, the people that you have helped in oppressing will no doubt remember you.

If we look at war vets, we realise it was never worth it, and that it "being worth it" was never the point.

You read my thoughts. Based as your avi

Thanks, brah

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Yes it will come at some point. That's why I said water is wet. But when? Let's hope they won't use up to many rare earth in the meantime.

Taking about cost just take a look about the oligarchs trying to slow down progress clinging to their old business models.

You said that lookism stifles your economic capabilties. As I see it now plenty of truecels will get nothing.

Well we are doing it in the end to satisfy other animals too, ourselves, besides that we suffer now not in fifty years. ^^

We don't have unreasonble requests. We just want a loyal looksmatch. Foids only want 20% of the male population.

Oligarchs aren't going to interfere with this as much as you think. Looks at sexdolls and existing AI development. Do you see them moving against those? And lookism affects every aspect of life and our suffering will exist as long as foids exist.

And my point is that we should spend that money on tech rather than surgeries. It will speed up the process.

 

[Teutonic Knight]

Environmental factors play a role in ugliness. Height, jaw development, hormones, bone mass, muscle all have environmental weak points.

It's not the environmental factors but hypergamy. Even if all men removed these flaws women would still go only for the best of what was left.

Economic equality would only further increase looks hypergamy because women would have equal resources as men and would not neet betabuxxers. Unless you mean economic equality among men only.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

It's not the environmental factors but hypergamy. Even if all men removed these flaws women would still go only for the best of what was left.

Economic equality would only further increase looks hypergamy because women would have equal resources as men and would not neet betabuxxers. Unless you mean economic equality among men only.

All of this is correct. If every man was chad tommorow, foids would choose gigachads. If everyone was gigachad, they would choose hyperchad. And so on and so forth. 80/20 rule is law.

 

[FlyFace]

If we look at war vets, we realise it was never worth it, and that it "being worth it" was never the point.

Certainly.. not even their countries courts give a damn about their service. A reminder of how you are treated when you aren't useful anymore.. as something that is easily discarded. Nobody cares about Men. So it is easy to not care about Male Soldiers.

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

Certainly.. not even their countries courts give a damn about their service. A reminder of how you are treated when you aren't useful anymore.. as something that is easily discarded. Nobody cares about Men. So it is easy to not care about Male Soldiers.

The curse of being born without a baby factory in your belly.

I dont think i can truly love my looksmatch either tbh...especially when she get old..
No one can truly love ugly people..in the past ugly beta men would rather pay top price to have pretty wives rather than their looksmatch..
Now pretty women are out of their price range for most betas so they have to betabuxx their looksmatch or get nothing,
Id rather pay for stacylite escorts or something than marry my looksmatch

I think you underestimate how attractive a woman could be with makeup. A 3/10 could be a 6/10 if she worked out and used cosmetics. I'd think most 3/10+s would be fine with their female looksmatches. Only boner killer for me is a landwhale and a severely fucked face. I would love and marry a loyal 3/10, even though I probably look better.

And you age as well. Old men don't gain in the looks department.

 

[turbocuckcel_7000]

It's not the environmental factors but hypergamy. Even if all men removed these flaws women would still go only for the best of what was left.

Economic equality would only further increase looks hypergamy because women would have equal resources as men and would not neet betabuxxers. Unless you mean economic equality among men only.

it's because of too much connectivity, women aren't supposed to have that many options

people love to point out some outlier examples like how this French girl met with this Italian boy over the internet and how amazing it is...yeah... HOW'S ABOUT YOU STOP FUCKING CHERRYPICKING AND LOOK AT THE REALITY AROUND YOU.

it's really fucking bad

 

[NoCopeNoHope]

it's because of too much connectivity, women aren't supposed to have that many options

All tech did is expose females for what they are. Hypergamy was always there, and cuckoldry happened in the ancient world too.

Social media is both a blessing and a curse. It makes whoredom easy for women, but it also exposes women's true nature better than anything else. It allows men to see reality and devise solutions.

 

[FlyFace]

The curse of being born without a baby factory in your belly.

If you were born with a Dick and you are unattractive you are a nigger to society. Femistazi Landslugs control society through their Feminism Male Genocide program. Only dating 6 Foot = Genocide of Manlets. Only dating Attractive = Genocide of Ugly. Only dating Rich = Genocide of Poor. Like a Zombie Society hobbles on. It won't take much to make it collapse. I mean in the context of Brexit.. which must make the establishment shit themselves.. the way the EU is trying desperately to keep the UK in by all means. Every underhanded, dirty, Jewish trick in the book being pulled out of their dirty pockets in last gasp desperation. Trying so hard to keep us in.. I mean they appear to be incredibly scared.. nothing has made them seem so on edge, insulting and guilt tripping of a nation state. I think that the coming recession (tied to Brexit) is going to decimate Europe. The Elites dream of a Federal Europe is crumbling before their eyes.

It is a cope. But I hope I am right in my assumptions at least partly. Maybe then the Landslugs will finally suffer for their countless crimes against reality.

it's because of too much connectivity, women aren't supposed to have that many options

Tinder should have never been created. Something like this should never be created ever again either.. it has just led to untold amounts of suffering.

Social media is both a blessing and a curse. It makes whoredom easy for women, but it also exposes women's true nature better than anything else. It allows men to see reality and devise solutions.

I feel as if we are real close to one.

 

[needsolution]

Men are the first to fight for their country and people. The last to get benefits.

 

[Deleted member 19236]

Thomas Hobbes was right, but he forgot to include the Leviathan in his theoretical war. The State is at war with other man, too.