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I would still never get married, but listening to a lot of what this man has had to say has definitely relieved some of the "anxiety" I have felt about "losing time", its kind of altered my perspective a bit about the unfairness of the "sex market" and how much time you have "as a man"

For example, if you were worried about "not having children" should you even be all that worried?, as a man you can produce healthy children even at the age of 50, its the condition of the woman you impregnate that is the limiting factor, the health of a man's sperm doesn't decrease by much as he ages

He often brings up the fact that for many men you shouldn't even be married until you are in your late 30's or 40's (in good amount of cases 50), and that what average men should do is focus on becoming "high value" with respect to wealth so that later on in life you will be in a position of power to "exercise options"

It kind of reminds me of what Tom Leykis used to say, something along the lines of - "Your hot 20 year old is in kindergarten right now, you'll get yours focus on money" (I know fucked up lol)

Not every man is going to be lucky enough to be dating as if they have options (or dating at all) from their 20's all the way up, but men of means do have a lot of leverage later in life when women are getting off of the cock carousel and are desperately rushing to try and have kids or "settle down", there's your perfect chance to pump and dump

So long as you don't have a simp mindset, it'll be your turn to sample the platter


One thing he says is funny though - "Men don't cheat, they exercise options"

What he means by this is that once a man gets to a certain level of resources and status, women are going to have to accept the fact that he is going to have multiple young women pursuing him and she is going to have to share him. He also keeps telling all these used up women in their 30's, and all the single mothers that call in, etc, that if they want a "high value" man they are going to have to share him and they have to come to terms with that

He also says that women through all of history have never had a problem sharing a high value male (hence why a lot of women share Chad)

His doctrine definitely falls in line with my perspective on wealthmaxxing

Money is power, and when you have more money, you have more options, sex becomes something that you purchase rather than something that you pursue or chase after, because you are coming from a position of higher leverage in which that market is even open to you in such a manner

A lot of the things he says are very black pilled and he doesn't sugar coat anything for the women at all, I'll definitely be checking out more of his content

For those of us who focus on financial freedom biology is pretty much on our side:

I think a lot of us are just going to have change our strategy a bit, and accept the fact that were going to have to deal with women on "bargaining terms" rather than in the realm of "romanticism"

We all like to use terms like "dating market" and speak about things in a very pragmatic way, but it seems like we didn't really internalize these things and we were taking the literal nature of what were talking about for granted

THIS REALLY IS A SEXUAL MARKET, and we need to start seeing ourselves as buyers on the market, as market participants. I know this is very "cold", "mechanical" and disheartening way to look at "relationships" to many of you reading this, but IDK, to me this is rather comforting, it just keeps things simple and honest

I like that he speaks about dating, marriage, etc in a very cold and straightforward manner

I think I'm starting to realize that there are a lot more options available to me that I didn't even know existed, you just have to be in certain environments and be of a certain socioeconomic class

I'd still prefer to just escortcel, but if I was willing to pursue the route and bother socializing, I could probably "date" and pump and dump desperate women lol

Some of us are just going to have to work towards an amazing life. Were not going to be able to just start off with one like Chad, or jump into a mediocre one like a normie
 
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Kevin Samuels is wrong. If you have a kid im your 40s or 50s, it won’t be healthy. Even if aging and having kids fuck up children less for male parents, it still fucks it up after 30.

Also, he’s a cuck if he thinks men should marry AFTER attaining success. You’re definately a beta buck cuck then, and will get divorce raped to oblivion.
 
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I like his show but he almost never suggests that women should marry men who are in their 20's before they have achieved financial success and build a life together. His show is mostly just about fat, annoying loudmouthed black single mothers who want to marry rich men.

There's just this massive disconnect, and he's found a way to exploit it and gain a huge following and earn lots of youtube money based on it.

These black women are complete ghetto trash, and the "high value black men" don't even exist. So he's selling snake oil to gullible men and women on both sides.

Nothing he says is going to fix anything, he's just accelerating hypergamy. These fat landwhale whores are never going to date down no matter what, they are all just trying to compete even harder to marry a rich man after having 4 kids from different fathers.
 
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power,control, freedom.
Copexodius Maximus said:
Also, he’s a cuck if he thinks men should marry AFTER attaining success. You’re definately a beta buck cuck then, and will get divorce raped to oblivion.
I don’t think he said he’s getting married you’re misinterpreting but then again that’s the usual on here.
 
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Copexodius Maximus said:
Kevin Samuels is wrong. If you have a kid im your 40s or 50s, it won’t be healthy. Even if aging and having kids fuck up children less for male parents, it still fucks it up after 30.

Also, he’s a cuck if he thinks men should marry AFTER attaining success. You’re definately a beta buck cuck then, and will get divorce raped to oblivion.
this. kids risk of autism is far far higher and probably other issues. too
 
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you only now getting into this redpill stuff?
 
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Blackcel rigth wing said:
I don’t think he said he’s getting married you’re misinterpreting but then again that’s the usual on here.
BlkPillPres said:
He often brings up the fact that for many men you shouldn't even be married until you are in your late 30's or 40's (in good amount of cases 50), and that what average men should do is focus on becoming "high value" with respect to wealth so that later on in life you will be in a position of power to "exercise options"
Basing it off this dude
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you only now getting into this redpill stuff?
Yeah hes pretty redpilled.
 
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Copexodius Maximus said:
Also, he’s a cuck if he thinks men should marry AFTER attaining success.
You don't understand KS very well. He very rarely, if ever, talks in terms of what "ought" to happen. He's very realistic.
Even when talking to obese single mothers, he doesn't tell them they "ought" to be going for men more in their lane, he tells them what changes they'd have to make and their chances of getting the men they've said they want.
You'll be better off getting the kind of women you want (beautiful, fit, feminine, friendly) if you have the leverage in the relationship by being a successful male. This is objectively true. This is what he is saying.
SHOULD men have to wait until their 30s-50s and be making six figures to get that? From context clues and how much he supports average blue collar workers, he probably doesn't believe that.
But women don't give a single FUCK about what men think "should" be happening, they have the freedom to choose now.
So he offers advice on how to get the outcomes you want in the most realistic way possible. He's not an ideologue, he's trying to tell you how to be successful.
 
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Detro said:
You don't understand KS very well. He very rarely, if ever, talks in terms of what "ought" to happen. He's very realistic.
Even when talking to obese single mothers, he doesn't tell them they "ought" to be going for men more in their lane, he tells them what changes they'd have to make and their chances of getting the men they've said they want.
You'll be better off getting the kind of women you want (beautiful, fit, feminine, friendly) if you have the leverage in the relationship by being a successful male. This is objectively true. This is what he is saying.
SHOULD men have to wait until their 30s-50s and be making six figures to get that? From context clues and how much he supports average blue collar workers, he probably doesn't believe that.
But women don't give a single FUCK about what men think "should" be happening, they have the freedom to choose now.
So he offers advice on how to get the outcomes you want in the most realistic way possible. He's not an ideologue, he's trying to tell you how to be successful.
You argument still doesn’t defend his position at all. Also, I just went off what OP wrote and took it at face value.
 
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You do realize Kevin Samuels is a homosexual right?
 
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Fat Link said:
You do realize Kevin Samuels is a homosexual right?
big if true
 
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ive listened to these women and felt like jumping out the window.
They're all saying "I deserve a rich chad, but this rich chad also must never cheat on me"

"Why do you think you deserve chad commiting to you?"
"EUGHHH IM SMART LOL" :foidSoy:
 
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Copexodius Maximus said:
You argument still doesn’t defend his position at all. Also, I just went off what OP wrote and took it at face value.
Ok moron, if you can't drag yourself out from the is-ought fallacy there's no helping you.
 
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Detro said:
Ok moron, if you can't drag yourself out from the is-ought fallacy there's no helping you.
It’s not an as-ought issue, the problem is your justification doesn’t make sense.

The first part where you said if men had the choice, it would be best to leverage power when you are older due to being more financially successful. However, you will also be uglier and there will be no doubt that the relationship is a beta buck one. Also, he specifically talked about marriage, not relationships in general, and thus this is a recipe that will lead to divorce rape, that’s also a normative statement. The blackpill says that no money coping will ever lead to actual sexual attraction from foids. To think otherwise is basic redpill coping.

You claim he tells it like it is to get the outcomes you want in the most realistic way possible, but he’s ignoring the fact that marriage is a cucked anti-male institution in our countries. Even if someone wants marriage regardless and he’s giving the best advice, it still doesn’t make sense because the kids will be super deformed at older ages.
 
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Copexodius Maximus said:
It’s not an as-ought issue, the problem is your justification doesn’t make sense.

The first part where you said if men had the choice, it would be best to leverage power when you are older due to being more financially successful. However, you will also be uglier and there will be no doubt that the relationship is a beta buck one. Also, he specifically talked about marriage, not relationships in general, and thus this is a recipe that will lead to divorce rape, that’s also a normative statement. The blackpill says that no money coping will ever lead to actual sexual attraction from foids. To think otherwise is basic redpill coping.
Not like men in the current year have any choice. Given a choice between being an incel and betabux, most men will choose betabux. KS says to be the best betabux you can be, if that's what you choose.
It's not "redpill coping". It's "if you want X outcome, then you need to do Y because that is what women respond to".
You claim he tells it like it is to get the outcomes you want in the most realistic way possible, but he’s ignoring the fact that marriage is a cucked anti-male institution in our countries.
Yes marriage is cucked anti-male institution. Most men still want to get married. KS is saying how to make the best of the situation if you still want to get married.
Marriage being a bad deal is a separate topic entirely.
If you don't want to get married, then don't.
Even if someone wants marriage regardless and he’s giving the best advice, it still doesn’t make sense because the kids will be super deformed at older ages.
30s-40s is hardly "older ages" for men.
 
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Based thread.
 
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CrackingYs said:
I like his show but he almost never suggests that women should marry men who are in their 20's before they have achieved financial success and build a life together.
1. He literally does suggest this, he often tells the women that if they are unwilling to share a high value man and/or are unable to acquire a high value man, they should just date and marry regular men

2. He understands women and hypergamy so that's why he phrases it like this, because you have to be an idiot at this point to expect women to make the choice you suggest. Women like to fuck young attractive men, and "date" older financially established men, its in their nature, that's what they are going to do

Your demand is like telling him to suggest that men in their 30s and up dating women within their age range, that's not going to happen, men of all age ranges prefer women in their 20s, as shown in the chart I posted, you can't change biology
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There's just this massive disconnect, and he's found a way to exploit it and gain a huge following and earn lots of youtube money based on it.
Actually he started off making videos where he counselled men, and then he did one video where the focus was on women and he blew up (because how dare you speak about women, hypergamy, etc)
CrackingYs said:
and the "high value black men" don't even exist.
Rich black men don't exist?
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Nothing he says is going to fix anything
Nothing can be fixed anyways, that's the point, his videos are about letting men know how women think and operate so we can adapt to the new dating world


Copexodius Maximus said:
Also, he’s a cuck if he thinks men should marry AFTER attaining success
He doesn't think men SHOULD do that, he's merely stating what options men have based on how women operate
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You’re definately a beta buck cuck then, and will get divorce raped to oblivion.
I would never get married, never said I would in this thread either

Ever watched the Fresh&Fit podcast, its something like Kevin Samuels podcast, one of the hosts (Myron) has already stated many times he plans on going to an Islamic country and finding multiple virgin wifes and practicing polygamy

Would you not do something like that if you could?

I was surprised to see another man say it because I've always talked about "Islammaxxing" as an option I considered (He was born into an muslim family so it makes sense in his case)


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You do realize Kevin Samuels is a homosexual right?
If a homosexual says 1+1=2, does that statement now become false because he's a homosexual?

You see the scary thing is guys like you go all around this forum calling yourself "black pilled" and "logical", and talking about how "illogical" and "blue pilled" normies are, and then you say some stupid shit like this and show you're just as illogical as the people you claim you are different too


Copexodius Maximus said:
The first part where you said if men had the choice, it would be best to leverage power when you are older due to being more financially successful. However, you will also be uglier and there will be no doubt that the relationship is a beta buck one
Most relationships throughout all of history have been betabux because women could not work, own property, etc, so by default it was a relationship revolving around financial dependency, so get over yourself already

Like Detro @Detro has stated, Kevin just talks about the outcomes of your actions, this is why I keep suggesting prostitution as an option for incels but you idiots want to cope like children and be like - "nO, i wAnT LoVe". No woman will ever love you, get over yourself and choose from the options you have


Detro said:
30s-40s is hardly "older ages" for men.
I'd be willing to be that diet and exercise affects your sperm quality more significantly than age, men don't really have great diets these days and barely any are fit and active
 
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BlkPillPres said:
If a homosexual says 1+1=2, does that statement now become false because he's a homosexual?

You see the scary thing is guys like you go all around this forum calling yourself "black pilled" and "logical", and talking about how "illogical" and "blue pilled" normies are, and then you say some stupid shit like this and show you're just as illogical as the people you claim you are different too
1. Of course not my dear nigger but as usual inspite of your nominal higher IQ than your fellow chimps you still somehow amazingly manage to utterly miss the point.:feelswhere:

The point is would you go to a janitor for advice on how to fly your rocket ship?:feelsclown:

Alternatively if you wished to become a master Chef who would you sooner choose to learn from if you had only these two options to choose from?:

Option A: Gordon Ramsey.
Option B: A 16 year old girl whose culinary mastery consists thus far in her short life of only being able to produce burnt toast.

2. I'm quite certain after reading the above you now feel like a horse's ass my dear nigger.

If not?:feelsEhh:

You really should. :feelsaww:
 
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Detro said:
Not like men in the current year have any choice. Given a choice between being an incel and betabux, most men will choose betabux. KS says to be the best betabux you can be, if that's what you choose.
It's not "redpill coping". It's "if you want X outcome, then you need to do Y because that is what women respond to".

Yes marriage is cucked anti-male institution. Most men still want to get married. KS is saying how to make the best of the situation if you still want to get married.
Marriage being a bad deal is a separate topic entirely.
If you don't want to get married, then don't.

30s-40s is hardly "older ages" for men.
So his messaging is for cucks. Why is he being talked about in this forum then?
BlkPillPres said:
1. He literally does suggest this, he often tells the women that if they are unwilling to share a high value man and/or are unable to acquire a high value man, they should just date and marry regular men

2. He understands women and hypergamy so that's why he phrases it like this, because you have to be an idiot at this point to expect women to make the choice you suggest. Women like to fuck young attractive men, and "date" older financially established men, its in their nature, that's what they are going to do

Your demand is like telling him to suggest that men in their 30s and up dating women within their age range, that's not going to happen, men of all age ranges prefer women in their 20s, as shown in the chart I posted, you can't change biology

Actually he started off making videos where he counselled men, and then he did one video where the focus was on women and he blew up (because how dare you speak about women, hypergamy, etc)

Rich black men don't exist?

Nothing can be fixed anyways, that's the point, his videos are about letting men know how women think and operate so we can adapt to the new dating world



He doesn't think men SHOULD do that, he's merely stating what options men have based on how women operate

I would never get married, never said I would in this thread either

Ever watched the Fresh&Fit podcast, its something like Kevin Samuels podcast, one of the hosts (Myron) has already stated many times he plans on going to an Islamic country and finding multiple virgin wifes and practicing polygamy

Would you not do something like that if you could?

I was surprised to see another man say it because I've always talked about "Islammaxxing" as an option I considered (He was born into an muslim family so it makes sense in his case)



If a homosexual says 1+1=2, does that statement now become false because he's a homosexual?

You see the scary thing is guys like you go all around this forum calling yourself "black pilled" and "logical", and talking about how "illogical" and "blue pilled" normies are, and then you say some stupid shit like this and show you're just as illogical as the people you claim you are different too



Most relationships throughout all of history have been betabux because women could not work, own property, etc, so by default it was a relationship revolving around financial dependency, so get over yourself already

Like Detro @Detro has stated, Kevin just talks about the outcomes of your actions, this is why I keep suggesting prostitution as an option for incels but you idiots want to cope like children and be like - "nO, i wAnT LoVe". No woman will ever love you, get over yourself and choose from the options you have



I'd be willing to be that diet and exercise affects your sperm quality more significantly than age, men don't really have great diets these days and barely any are fit and active
Difference between now and then is that beta buck cucks get used up cum sluts who will take all your shit thanks to anti-male divorce courts and various other institutions. Beta buck cucking is the pinnacle of cuckatry.
 
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