Low IQ. Your opinions are all based on past experience and conditioning one way or another. If we could put your brain in a machine and give it simulated scenarios to which it would need to reply and form opinions, we could predict your opinions/actions on any given subject precisely. It’s true that free will doesn’t exist; humans are predictable.
''Low IQ. Your opinions are all based on past experience and conditioning one way or another.''
Is it though ? cause i was taught a lot of shit that i don't agree with from the bottom of my heart my intuition told me that was wrong something innate within my self my own will forced me to change my views. My will has always rebelled against authority from day 1 my fatalist muslim parents tried to push their faith on me.
Same with idea of determinism you have no control of anything you do it's all predestined yet i broke that cycle this is same with every person why do you think the soviet union fell. If man was a tool that can be predermined why is it that no matter how much the soviet state tried to create the perfect man they never could they could never get rid of people's free wills cause humans are not drones we are in charge of our own life.
'' If we could put your brain in a machine and give it simulated scenarios to which it would need to reply and form opinions, we could predict your opinions/actions on any given subject precisely. ''
However the opinions 1 man chooses changes all through out a man's life the main reason is cause humans introspect. The you today will not think like the you in 10 years. The you know is not the same as the you 10 years ago similarly to this.
Also another problem is How do you know the stimuli coming in will lead to predictable results ? humans are known to be unpredictable in a lot of their choices.
You also need to understand your brain is not a computer at least not in the classical sense if you want to get into future A.I we can get into that topic but at least for right know your brain is not a a computer it is more of a self perfecting organism .The very fact that neuroplasticity exists kind of disproves determinism and neuro plasticity is a well known fact.
Somehow I do not see how our consciousness would behave similar to something non deterministic. Most people act very predictably.
If dice were deterministic we could roll 10 dice and they would all ''show the same number? No they wouldn't and this argument makes so little sense a three year old must have come up with it.''
Christian apologists always argue that everything has a cause. So if everything has a cause then every thought in my brain has a cause which has a cause which has a cause.
The only logically coherent alternative to X happening because X was caused is that X happens because it was random so our mind is either determined or random and neither is truely free.
''Somehow I do not see how our consciousness would behave similar to something non deterministic. Most people act very predictably.''
Stuart hameroffs and and Stuart pen-rose quantum consciousness shows at-least in theory and we have some experiments to add to credibility that our brain itself does quantum superposition constantly. That means your mind at the basic quantum level is entirely undetermined and non deterministic.
you can say that does mean free will fair enough but it leads room for choice and that's all free will needs as long as the neccacity of choice even exists this argument works.
''If dice were deterministic we could roll 10 dice and they would all show the same number? No they wouldn't and this argument makes so little sense a three year old must have come up with it.''
In classical mechanics as long as you knew the force thrown it on and the acceleration you could per say down to a 11 degree say what side those dice would role the laws are deterministic however where this logic breaks down is that your mind is not fully macro it is also quantum or quantum bits. From this we can reason to in-determinism and from this we can argue you have room for choice the fact that the brain constantly rewires itself the more we practice something then leads us down to libertarian form of free will.
The argument for this main thing is if the human mind not the objects around it those are static but your brain if it was deterministic would mean you don't actually control your actions. Instead previous actions lead to that choice and if the dice were to be re-thrown 500 times you would still have the same results.
What i am saying here with this argument is the fact that other people come up with different answers today but change 6 months down the line on really deep philosophical question which science cannot concurrently like does god exist or not is their something instrinsic about consciousness is it replicable will it ever be the same essacne why do people change their mind ? why is it not mechanistic ? if each decision previous from the previous lead to the concurrent 1 why do people change on a whim ?.
''Christian apologists always argue that everything has a cause. So if everything has a cause then every thought in my brain has a cause which has a cause which has a cause.''
We mean cause in a different context Aristotle had 4 material spiritual mental and platonic cause when we mean cause we mean material cause in a series ordered essentially.
''The only logically coherent alternative to X happening because X was caused is that X happens because it was random so our mind is either determined or random and neither is truely free.''
It's kind of a black and white mirror fallacy the 2 options are
Either x was caused so it was determined from datum x
Or x was random so you still have no free will.
The escape is while x was caused (adam to us) x is still changing as consciousness is if hameroff is right is consciousness is continuously doing quantum super position meaning it is constantly changing so it is never determined while this in itself doesn't lead to free will you then have to use the neuroplastic argument to show free will from their.
