Serious Is society becoming dumber?

[Fontaine]

I was browsing reddit /all when I suddenly realized most of the posts upvoted to the top of the most popular internet forum were complete trash. Crappy low-effort memes, superficially smart tweets that are only upvoted because of halo effect, pictures of cats, political stories no one sensible should care about, abysmal "showerthoughts", etc. Only 1 out of 10 posts is interesting enough.

And this seems to get worse every month.

Is it just the natural effect of Reddit becoming mainstream, or is mean IQ dropping fast?

 

[UltraFayJr.]

You already know the answer.

 

[Zesto]

I was browsing reddit /all

Is it just the natural effect of Reddit becoming mainstream

 

[Zaetheus]

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[RageAgainstTDL]

You already know the answer is both. IQ is dropping and more idiots are on the internet (late adopters).

 

[FiveFourManlet]

No.

 

[Fontaine]

You already know the answer.

Well I don't, actually. I'm not sure if it's just the natural result of internet penetration increasing in every social class, or if there is an actual decrease in mean societal IQ over the years. The first hypothesis is probably the correct one. So far, "dysgenics" are mostly a far-right meme.

 

[UltraFayJr.]

Well I don't, actually. I'm not sure if it's just the natural result of internet penetration increasing in every social class, or if there is an actual decrease in mean societal IQ over the years. The first hypothesis is probably the correct one. So far, "dysgenics" are mostly a far-right meme.

YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER.

 

[feelsbadman32]

maybe screens and processed foods are making us dumber

 

[RageAgainstTDL]

Well I don't, actually. I'm not sure if it's just the natural result of internet penetration increasing in every social class, or if there is an actual decrease in mean societal IQ over the years. The first hypothesis is probably the correct one. So far, "dysgenics" are mostly a far-right meme.

No man, there's an IQ decrease. It's proven fact and been known for a while now. So it's both.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html

 

[NocturnalDecay]

When you allow idiots to reproduce the answer becomes a lot more stark. So yes people are getting dumber for now, but eventually it stabilizes again.

 

[01userope]

Yes.

 

[SchrodingersDick]

Do looks matter?

 

[Fontaine]

No man, there's an IQ decrease. It's proven fact and been known for a while now. So it's both.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html

Interesting. The cause doesn't seem to be genetic:

The study not only showed IQ variance between children the same parents, but because the authors had the IQ scores of various parents, it demonstrated that parents with higher IQs tended to have more kids, ruling out the dysgenic fertility theory as a driver of falling IQ scores and highlighting the role of environmental factors instead.

 

[RageAgainstTDL]

When you allow idiots to reproduce the answer becomes a lot more stark. So yes people are getting dumber for now, but eventually it stabilizes again.

Actually what's weird about the most recent study is this:

"Because the authors had the IQ scores of various parents, it demonstrated that parents with higher IQs tended to have more kids, ruling out the dysgenic fertility theory as a driver of falling IQ scores and highlighting the role of environmental factors instead."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html

I always thought IQ was dropping from retards reproducing too much (like the movie Idiocracy) but it seems it might be something else like all the chemicals that are also causing men's sperm counts to drop and kids to get more allergies.

 

[Anger]

Remember you're a cuckold if you browse reddit

 

[NocturnalDecay]

Actually what's weird about the most recent study is this:

"Because the authors had the IQ scores of various parents, it demonstrated that parents with higher IQs tended to have more kids, ruling out the dysgenic fertility theory as a driver of falling IQ scores and highlighting the role of environmental factors instead."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/health/falling-iq-scores-study-intl/index.html

I always thought IQ was dropping from retards reproducing too much (like the movie Idiocracy) but it seems it might be something else like all the chemicals that are also causing men's sperm counts to drop and kids to get more allergies.

Interesting I'll give the article a read.

 

[Deleted member 7573]

I wish I was high IQ, I can't even make fun of them for that

 

[mangoboy]

Dysgenics. The dumb are reproducing faster than the intelligent.

 

[Deleted member 10234]

I was browsing reddit /all when I suddenly realized most of the posts upvoted to the top of the most popular internet forum were complete trash. Crappy low-effort memes, superficially smart tweets that are only upvoted because of halo effect, pictures of cats, political stories no one sensible should care about, abysmal "showerthoughts", etc. Only 1 out of 10 posts is interesting enough.

And this seems to get worse every month.

Is it just the natural effect of Reddit becoming mainstream, or is mean IQ dropping fast?

Society was always dumb. What you are observing is caused by the normie hoards flooding our high IQ spaces.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

You already know the answer.

2005 film starring Luke Wilson.

 

[incel4life]

You are witnessing cultural decline. When culture deteriorates, people become dumber.

 

[Fontaine]

You are witnessing cultural decline. When culture deteriorates, people become dumber.

High IQ.

 

[Frottbott]

You already know the answer.

We all do, but nice to talk about it. Mad props to your extremely subtle sense of humour that normies would probably take as serious, btw. Like foids would be like, 'you're trying to sell me raisin bran? Ok creepmo.'

I will make a thread about why society is declining right now. I blame black culture and red pill.

 

[Unwanted]

I legitimately think that normies are just NPCs. Call me crazy but I really think like that.

 

[Deleted member 1783]

Well I don't, actually. I'm not sure if it's just the natural result of internet penetration increasing in every social class, or if there is an actual decrease in mean societal IQ over the years. The first hypothesis is probably the correct one. So far, "dysgenics" are mostly a far-right meme.

If you look at Usenet sites from the 90s, each response was actually well-thought out and intelligent. This was before they had 14 year old foids, Instagram, narcissism, and normie trash on the Internet. The Internet has gone to complete shit from 2005 on.

 

[Fontaine]

If you look at Usenet sites from the 90s, each response was actually well-thought out and intelligent. This was before they had 14 year old foids, Instagram, narcissism, and normie trash on the Internet. The Internet has gone to complete shit from 2005 on.

That's historically true. The only net positive of mass use of electronics is more money flown into tech companies and R&D.

 

[jerrycan dan]

I think the source of the problem is Reddit's upvote-downvote system. With the upvote-downvote system you get content and communities rise to the top based on consensus, which is supposed to be based on the quality of the content but in actual fact is based on whether the most people like it regardless of quality.

Many quantifiable human traits, such as intelligence but also other things, can be placed on a bell curve. The average makes up the biggest chunk of the population. Because what's rising to the top is based on the consensus of LOTS of people, with the MOST upvotes rising to the top, the content that gets featured and promoted on reddit is what the average person likes because average people exist in far greater numbers than exceptional and "exceptional" (teehee) people. With the internet having become popular and flooded with normalfag late adopters quite a while ago, reddit has been swamped with quite literally millions of very average, mediocre people who promote very average, mediocre content because that's what they're up to speed with and enjoy. If you are unlike the average person, you are in all likelihood not going to connect very well with the kind of content put out by a website ruled by the consensus of the most people, because most people cluster around the average of the population. Reddit is mediocre milquetoast faggot central.

Doesn't help that the internet was originally used by smart people who understood how to use computers (which are a lot more complex than other pastimes such as, say, chroming through a hose pipe), so it being flooded with average people will inevitably degrade its quality.

So I guess the question is whether you're significantly smarter than the average person (not sucking your dick but I'd say you are), whether you have very different cultural taste from the average person (because culture right now is a toilet, it would be more than fair to call it dumb), whether you are more educated than the average person (culture is dumbed down to hell and back so it can be sold to the lowest common denominator, so this works quite well too, plus you say you read quite a bit), or whether a combination of/all of these things are true (I would say this is the case).

 

[Frottbott]

If you look at Usenet sites from the 90s, each response was actually well-thought out and intelligent. This was before they had 14 year old foids, Instagram, narcissism, and normie trash on the Internet. The Internet has gone to complete shit from 2005 on.

I wrote my thread, probably too lengthy, but I wanted to expound on this specific topic.

I was VERY active on youtube comment-wise from 2006 to about 2009? when facebook took over and made it linked with your google account (temporarily killing anonymity). The site fucking died to me and the comments became absolute horse shit right away. I literally had a hobby of trying to make top rated comments and could regularly get 400-700 likes on a comment before it would disappear from the top of the page. I came back to youtube in 2017 to make a channel and all I saw were vote bots, company advertisements, and youtube studios putting out actors as 'real people.' In other words, the top rated comments on all of these sites, and probably reddit as well, are done by companies who vote bot them.

Fire, Slay queen, slay!, etc. I went from predictably (literal 100% of the time) being able to reach top rated comment, to going a full year with almost none of my comments ever even getting any traction. I got banned from commenting half the time, because the company did not want to compete with good comments from the people watching. They wanted their agenda, their compliment (to themselves), etc. to be seen. I remember when I first got banned from RSD's youtube channel for talking about diet advice. That was a huge red flag to me and it creeped me the fuck out.

If you were to look at the comments on any given RSD video these days, it is very, very obvious that they are all bots and that it is the company commenting on its' own videos. 'Hey bro, super positive vibes you put into each and every video. Thank you so much for the inspiring content.' That's like, the top 40 comments, then below that is like, 'how I get gilfriend?' or asking serious questions.

 

[Fontaine]

I think the source of the problem is Reddit's upvote-downvote system. With the upvote-downvote system you get content and communities rise to the top based on consensus, which is supposed to be based on the quality of the content but in actual fact is based on whether the most people like it regardless of quality.

Many quantifiable human traits, such as intelligence but also other things, can be placed on a bell curve. The average makes up the biggest chunk of the population. Because what's rising to the top is based on the consensus of LOTS of people, with the MOST upvotes rising to the top, the content that gets featured and promoted on reddit is what the average person likes because average people exist in far greater numbers than exceptional and "exceptional" (teehee) people. With the internet having become popular and flooded with normalfag late adopters quite a while ago, reddit has been swamped with quite literally millions of very average, mediocre people who promote very average, mediocre content because that's what they're up to speed with and enjoy. If you are unlike the average person, you are in all likelihood not going to connect very well with the kind of content put out by a website ruled by the consensus of the most people, because most people cluster around the average of the population. Reddit is mediocre milquetoast faggot central.

Doesn't help that the internet was originally used by smart people who understood how to use computers (which are a lot more complex than other pastimes such as, say, chroming through a hose pipe), so it being flooded with average people will inevitably degrade its quality.

So I guess the question is whether you're significantly smarter than the average person (not sucking your dick but I'd say you are), whether you have very different cultural taste from the average person (because culture right now is a toilet, it would be more than fair to call it dumb), whether you are more educated than the average person (culture is dumbed down to hell and back so it can be sold to the lowest common denominator, so this works quite well too, plus you say you read quite a bit), or whether a combination of/all of these things are true (I would say this is the case).

I would say it's probably a cultural diverge, more so than an intellectual one. Normies seem to care the most about politics, pets, movies, celebrities and sports (distractions, arguably) while I'm generally obsessed with technology, philosophical conundrums and hard problems like aging or death. Maybe because I have higher future time orientation, who knows. I spend a lot of time everyday thinking about the future.

 

[randomguy1235]

You already know the answer.

Dysgenics (((Fontaine))), it's dysgenics. Importing tens of millions of low IQ third worlders AND the ramifications of the welfare state enabling low IQ single mothers to reproduce en masse = Genetic disaster.

 

[Deleted member 4159]

If you were to look at the comments on any given RSD video these days, it is very, very obvious that they are all bots and that it is the company commenting on its' own videos.

Damn, that would make sense. No way these guys are actually helping people.

Also, I agree that the internet has gone to shit since 2005. I miss the old style forums (like the misc forum on bodybuilding.com). They used to have legendary threads that'd have me laughing for hours. Now, its just a pre-redpill site, as in where you go before finding PSL.

 

[Life Wasted]

everything is getting worse including IQ's, women have always been retarded but now even men are becoming dumb as fuck. This planet is in dire need of a reset.

 

[Red Shambhala]

Of course. Educated (rather than merely "trained") citizens are not necessary in monopoly capitalism anymore. So now right-wingers first destroy the education sector, up to a point where the schools fall apart and teachers are reduced to low-wage workers (meanwhile giving fat tax cuts to billionaires) - and once people have been properly dumbed down, they tell us that democracy just cannot work because the people are too stupid because >muh human nature and dysgenics and IQ and now we need these overlords ruling over us to protect us from the "populists." Because it's never about "austerity" and propaganda destroying the education sector, it's always just about biology according to the right.

And a fringe, of course, wants to attack racial scapegoats. But here is the bright side: at least the Nazi scum will get destroyed and killed. These assholes were completely fine with this monster being created as long as only working people and people of color were attacked. Now this monster has become so big and powerful - monopolized - that it doesn't need its right-wing Frankenstein anymore. Now it doesn't even need the nation state anymore, lol, doesn't even need borders anymore. But destroy Middle-Eastern countries and then import the people fleeing these countries as low-wage workers, lol. Bright side: Nazi scum is getting destroyed and these bitchy little ex-middle-class white boys whining about their pure gene pool will get punched in their fucking faces.

 

[Frottbott]

Can the Jews just do their takeover already? I'm fucking tired of all this bullshit. Just realize that if you enslave the goyim, humans respond very poorly to extreme social neglect, so you won't get any productivity out of them (niggers at least got to live with the femoids - a far better life than I have). Also, robots can easily replace them soon, unless you are doing it just to weakness trip.

 

[armis]

' In other words, the top rated comments on all of these sites, and probably reddit as well, are done by companies who vote bot them.

Fire, Slay queen, slay!, etc. I went from predictably (literal 100% of the time) being able to reach top rated comment, to going a full year with almost none of my comments ever even getting any traction.

This was my theory as well. They're selecting the comments etc they want you to see and votebotting it to the top. They're probably viewbotting the channels and videos they want you to see too... (((youtube)))

 

[Modus Coperandi]

classic fontaine high-iq-larp
why the fuck do you think cuckit says anything about all the people in the world?

I browsed /all for 15mins last weekend when I was riding a train and I just wanted to fucking kill myself.

it's designed for 14 year olds, like all major sites nowadays.
I guarantee you that the upvote / feature system is rigged for profitmaxxing.

 

[The Abyss]

Society is being dumbed down and has been for a long time.

 

[cyberlich]

Fertility and IQ have been negatively correlated for a while now in Western nations.

 

[BlackOpsIIcel]

Yes. Because low IQ people like me are breeding like rats. While White people are dying off.

 

[IsolationHurts]

I think one of the causes is that pure raw inteligence is only really needed nowadays if you belong to the social elite, and thats all. 99% of the population dont need even average IQ or any kind of culture, not even college proffesors. Its not going to make you ascend socially, not going to give you a gf or a wife (foids cant recognize intelligence anymore), not going to give you more money, not making you more effective or attractive whatsoever, etc... Its just not needed in our western social structure, it can perfectly work being composed by completely retarded people. Only the uber-elite need to be extremely smart so they can mantain their position of power.
Sorry for bad english. Im actually becoming more retarded with time, its so hard to write in this language....

 

[A10n3]

Yes on almost every aspects.
I dgaf anymore as an outcast, but it's a shame for people who genuinely wanted to invest themselves into making things better for mankind.
Conformism, idiocracy, entropy, infantilisation, liquid society and dictatorship from the Great Capital is what's coming.
At this point I wouldn't mind to live in the "Brave New World".

 

[The Abyss]

Found the video I was looking for -

John Taylor Gatto is on point, plenty of other diatribes out there from him.

The elite do not want an educated populace, they want you smart enough to go wagecuck everyday and pay your taxes, buy shit you don't need but they don't want you smart enough to think freely, question authority.

The Frankfurt school push their shit like critical theory to make everything & everybody negative. If everybody is fucked up and at each others throats then we're easy to manipulate. They don't want the proletariat United against (((their))) agenda so they force poverty through endless debt, racial/cultural tension through open borders, suddenly everything offends everyone.

Middle class ppl look down on lower class & vote for political parties that are for the wealthy; not realising that in the eyes of the rich they themselves are barely any better than the peasants.

Add to all of this, dumb ppl tend to have many kids while intellectuals only have 1 maybe 2 at a push as for them it's a huge financial investment, private school, good university, after school programs, dental, healthcare etc.... They throw loads of money at their kids as they expect the very best from these children which usually turns out with the kids being a copy of the parents, turning to alt culture and becoming druggies as they can't handle the stress or the perfect sociopath that WILL not be there for the parents when they are old and ill as they've been taught to be uncaring & have sole purpose of following the money.

Then you have endless innoculations overloading immune systems, meat pumped full of steroids & antibiotics that barely even resembles a healthy animal anymore, vegetables laced with pesticides.

No end of additives & preservatives in said food, air quality going to shit, attention spans waning.

If you go to regular school and appear too smart you get bullied so kids will then not push themselves & only act at a lower level of self to fit in.

Families don't have time for each other anymore, stressed with responsibility & too tired to do anything other than keep on the treadmill of non thinking or stewing on front of a TV or event you pay to attend, kids needing their instant gratification of social media.

The push to put women into higher status & authority than men, the majority can't think without emotion, one day they'll believe something then the next the opposite depending on how their mood is.

They'll like or dislike someone then go over the top and agree with everything or think none of it is grounded all because of how they perceive someone; not because of the quality of their view.

 

[VisVoi]

superficially smart tweets that are only upvoted because of halo effect

 

[Cuyen]

Every day society become dumber.ı don't know how it will be in 10 years

 

[Deleted member 12256]

Yes at a fast rate i migh add.....

 

[Ritalincel]

@Reddit_is_for_cucks

add

tbh

 

[Ritalincel]

I was browsing reddit /all

 

[Phaoni]

Reddit is an absolute abyss of mental incapacity and circle-jerking of positivism that will make you sick and angry at the same time. The average IQ of a redditor is too low to call these people human.

 

[IronMike]

The fact that you asked this question....answers your question.