A journalist and typical female Redditor who goes by the name Doreen Manning recently interviewed Joey, the incel guy from the "This Is What The Life Of An Incel Looks Like" Vice documentary, for an article about incels she was writing for a mainstream website. The website refused to publish the article because it supposedly was "too sympathetic" to incels, even though the article portrays anti-incels in a positive light and even interviewed a male feminist member of an anti-incel Facebook group, so she had to self-publish it on Medium.
For those who don't remember the interview Vice did with Joey, here it is:
Apparently, Vice only published the most inflammatory parts of the 3-hour long interview they did with him:
Some other quotes from the interview for those who don't want to read the entire article:
On women :
‘Basically criticizing women is pretty much socially taboo, so we have to do it in these echo chambers. We have to talk about it, and then it grows and gets worse, but if it was more socially acceptable to be anti-feminist, or to be a reasonable anti-feminist and say ‘hey, these are my complaints’, then you wouldn’t have people forming these echo chambers, I don’t think, because containment doesn’t even work anyway, it’s just gonna spill back over. Containment doesn’t work at all.
A lot of men feel bad and feel shamed for being virgins, and then people like the feminists say ‘no, we don’t shame men for being virgins’, Joey asserted. ‘But a lot of them do. A lot of them find men who are virgins to be creepy. They assume that they’re virgins for bad reasons, and they think they’re creepy. I’ve heard stories of guys saying to girls ‘hey, I’m a virgin’, to the point where they’re laying down in bed with the girl, and they say they’re a virgin, and the girl gets up and leaves. That’s got to be soul-destroying.’
On activism:
‘I think protests would be bad’, Joey stated. ‘I think that that’s a weapon of the left; that’s just a leftist tactic is to protest, and we can’t win a battle of protesting. There’ll be a big protest and no matter what happens, if any violence breaks out it’ll be blamed on incels, and I don’t want that at all.’
On PUAs:
‘[Pick-up artists are] idiots’, Joey confided. ‘They’re just frauds, and they’re actual misogynists. Some of their techniques actually probably do work for some people who are good-looking or normal enough, but they don’t work for people who are ugly or autistic, or are actually socially inept. It’s just a bunch of bullshit they sell. Pick-up artists are scumbags.’
On mental health:
‘It is a culmination of all those’, insisted Joey. ‘I can try to add some here. One is the rise of autism [diagnoses]. I think a lot of it has to do with consumerism and commodity, and a lot of autists I talk to are smart guys, and they deserve better lives, and I wish they could get them. [Modern society has] destroyed monogamy, pretty much. Divorce rates are huge, super high. Single fathers, single parenthood is up way high here [in the US]. Kids are going to school earlier and earlier, which is all shown to be bad, through years of clinical literature from psychology.’
On society:
‘I guess a more masculine, stoic and, even perhaps, patriarchal you could say, society. Just with little things, not moving the clock back 50 years, moving it just back a few years, before all this identity politics bullshit…I mean, what has all this feminism done? Has it lowered rape rates or anything? I don’t know. If it has, then that’s a good thing and we’d like to keep things that way, but I still think that we could have lower rape rates and also not have this inceldom thing, which is, I think an even worse problem…and then, also, there has to be a whole change with how mental illness is addressed, and how psychology addresses mental illness. I think psychology needs to be reformed in a way in order to treat this, because psychology just continues to push the ‘oppressor/oppressee’, ‘compassion/harm’ narrative.’
I think maybe it’s over for inceldom, and a new movement will come about. Because it’s not just lack of sex that’s the problem; it’s a whole generation of kids like me who can’t break into society. It’s not just totally about sex. It’s about mental health, it’s about sex, it’s about relationships, it’s about having a social life, it’s about being low-status, being ugly, being autistic; all that stuff.’
‘Incels misdiagnose their own problem when they say it’s about sex. It’s not about sex; it’s about love, and it’s about wanting a relationship and being able to breed. I mean, imagine living with the thought of ‘no girl will ever want me, I’ll never be able to have a kid. My life dies with me’. I mean, it’s a rather sad thing. I think that drives people a little bit crazy when they get into thinking like that.’
For those who don't remember the interview Vice did with Joey, here it is:
Apparently, Vice only published the most inflammatory parts of the 3-hour long interview they did with him:
Some other quotes from the interview for those who don't want to read the entire article:
On women :
‘Basically criticizing women is pretty much socially taboo, so we have to do it in these echo chambers. We have to talk about it, and then it grows and gets worse, but if it was more socially acceptable to be anti-feminist, or to be a reasonable anti-feminist and say ‘hey, these are my complaints’, then you wouldn’t have people forming these echo chambers, I don’t think, because containment doesn’t even work anyway, it’s just gonna spill back over. Containment doesn’t work at all.
A lot of men feel bad and feel shamed for being virgins, and then people like the feminists say ‘no, we don’t shame men for being virgins’, Joey asserted. ‘But a lot of them do. A lot of them find men who are virgins to be creepy. They assume that they’re virgins for bad reasons, and they think they’re creepy. I’ve heard stories of guys saying to girls ‘hey, I’m a virgin’, to the point where they’re laying down in bed with the girl, and they say they’re a virgin, and the girl gets up and leaves. That’s got to be soul-destroying.’
On activism:
‘I think protests would be bad’, Joey stated. ‘I think that that’s a weapon of the left; that’s just a leftist tactic is to protest, and we can’t win a battle of protesting. There’ll be a big protest and no matter what happens, if any violence breaks out it’ll be blamed on incels, and I don’t want that at all.’
On PUAs:
‘[Pick-up artists are] idiots’, Joey confided. ‘They’re just frauds, and they’re actual misogynists. Some of their techniques actually probably do work for some people who are good-looking or normal enough, but they don’t work for people who are ugly or autistic, or are actually socially inept. It’s just a bunch of bullshit they sell. Pick-up artists are scumbags.’
On mental health:
‘It is a culmination of all those’, insisted Joey. ‘I can try to add some here. One is the rise of autism [diagnoses]. I think a lot of it has to do with consumerism and commodity, and a lot of autists I talk to are smart guys, and they deserve better lives, and I wish they could get them. [Modern society has] destroyed monogamy, pretty much. Divorce rates are huge, super high. Single fathers, single parenthood is up way high here [in the US]. Kids are going to school earlier and earlier, which is all shown to be bad, through years of clinical literature from psychology.’
On society:
‘I guess a more masculine, stoic and, even perhaps, patriarchal you could say, society. Just with little things, not moving the clock back 50 years, moving it just back a few years, before all this identity politics bullshit…I mean, what has all this feminism done? Has it lowered rape rates or anything? I don’t know. If it has, then that’s a good thing and we’d like to keep things that way, but I still think that we could have lower rape rates and also not have this inceldom thing, which is, I think an even worse problem…and then, also, there has to be a whole change with how mental illness is addressed, and how psychology addresses mental illness. I think psychology needs to be reformed in a way in order to treat this, because psychology just continues to push the ‘oppressor/oppressee’, ‘compassion/harm’ narrative.’
I think maybe it’s over for inceldom, and a new movement will come about. Because it’s not just lack of sex that’s the problem; it’s a whole generation of kids like me who can’t break into society. It’s not just totally about sex. It’s about mental health, it’s about sex, it’s about relationships, it’s about having a social life, it’s about being low-status, being ugly, being autistic; all that stuff.’
‘Incels misdiagnose their own problem when they say it’s about sex. It’s not about sex; it’s about love, and it’s about wanting a relationship and being able to breed. I mean, imagine living with the thought of ‘no girl will ever want me, I’ll never be able to have a kid. My life dies with me’. I mean, it’s a rather sad thing. I think that drives people a little bit crazy when they get into thinking like that.’
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