Incels long-term future lies in algining with the Powers that be, not going against them

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

No one is even gonna read this till the end, but I still felt the need to type it out, since what I believe on the topic contradicts what most people on here seem to think.

Posted as an reaction to:

ISHTAR WORSHIP has always been combated by Abrahamic religions:

1. Judaism: denunciation of Ashrah and Ashtoreth cult
2. Christianity: Rejection of the "Whore of Babylon"
3. Islam. Rejection of Al-Manat, Al-Uzzah and Allat.

All 3: Monogamy (anti-Chad policy) and imposition of strict modesty norms on women. Paradoxically, Islam is the weakest here (it allows polygamy). But the idea is the same in all cases. All Abrahamic faiths reject the cult of the great foid. God is unambiguously masculine in all 3 cases.

The only possibility for the Blackpill to thrive and have an impact is to acknowledge this heritage. In other words, The Blackpill has to be the "Fourth Testament" (if we count the Quran as the third).

The monotheistic Religions are all useless, they can't adapt to a world where science is a primary pillar of power, be it economic, cultural or military. They themselfs are about to become footnotes in history, as technological progress moves so far beyond the miracles they preach that the disconnect becomes impossible to reconcile with their claims to all-importance.

They are by design inflexible. When the world order shifts, religious adherents are stuck with defunct ways of thinking and organizing society and the best they can hope for is to take control over small enclaves, be it mormon communities or entire nations, and force society to remain frozen in a state more amiable to their way of life.

The newest, modern religion is already here. Wokeism is at least a pseudo-religion, much like communism is one.

If you try to get any of the older religions to adapt a new set of creeds, you will have to convince not only their millions of normie believers but more importantly, all the central figures whos power would be threatend by a shift in paradigm. You have nothing to offer when it comes to political power or societal influence and progressives themselfs are already infiltrating / cooperating with religious figure heads to be more accepting of e.g. trans/LGBTQ. The progressives can offer real, meaningful incentives and rewards as well as threaten punishment for defection.

What ever remains of the old religions in the future will be hollowed out husks, progressives having surgically removed anything that directly conflicted with their values.



Instead of trying to bootstrap a whole new world religion from the ground up (lol) or forcing blackpill ideology into an existing religion when we have negative infinite political capital, consider copying the left's playbook and preparing incels to become part of their victim hierachy. Infiltrate instead of fighting directly.

For one, while the left hates men, the right hates losers, so you're no more welcome amongst them than on the left.

Secondly, the left is the intellectual side, they at least have to pretend to care about logic and stats, which is displayed in how they excercise power by controlling journalists+academia and push w/e they want through their dominance in those fields into the public consensus as well as law.

If you truly believe we have the facts on our side, this at least has potential to be relevant with parts of the left under the right circumstances.

Fundamentally, they have a self-image as the saviors of the disadvantaged, marginalized and downtrodden, which is pretty much us in every way imaginable. 'Lookism' is already at least a term in leftists circles. Our real suffering and the abuse we endured is a useful tool when dealing with people who consider themselfs empathetic & selfless do-gooders.


If men's condition as a group becomes bad enough, the left will have to make concessions. The normies are slow as fuck in the head, but this whole insanity is not that old and it has not been in the forefront of politics for that long. I went through the first decade(s) of my life without hearing the word "transsexual" once.

By now, there is some push back being organized amongst the general public. A lot of this shit is not very popular amongst the masses.

So, at least consider preparing for the possbility that at one point, there will be an opportunity to improve our situation by cooperating with the left. A compromise, where they offer some kind of sympathy / societal recources in exchange for not losing the majority of men to their opposition.



An article about the Netherlands, probably already known here:

The Surprising Way the Netherlands Is Helping Its Disabled Have Sex

The Netherlands is known for its social subsidies on everything from education to housing, but it's also subsidizing sex for the disabled. With prostitution legalized in the country, the government is boosting both the domestic sex economy and the…

www.mic.com

The same is being thought about in germany, and the party floating the idea is a leftist one (Die Grünen / The Greens).

Let me put it like this:

-The left already accepts in some countries the right to sex as a human right.

-They are open to support disabled people who can't get any financially and have legalized prostituion.

Once such a thing is put into law, it becomes possible to demand these benefits for yourself, if you can prove yourself similarly disadvantaged.

In many ways, the left is already much closer to an incel-friendly position than any other party or ideology.

Although the American left in paticular is exporting an absurd level of hatred towards men as a group, in a way, the intense aggression they display is potentially useful, because it can help motivate others, both men and family-oriented women, to distance themselfs from the feminist and sex-difference-denying dogmas.

TL;DR: Incels fit the leftist victimhood model perfectly except for being male, meaning they are one step away from becoming elgibile for sympathy and societal support. The left in places already recognizes the right to sex as a human right and has put laws in place that both legalizes prostitution and financially supports those it recognizes as disadvantaged in the partner search.

This seems like a much more promising angle to me than any religious reformation or societal takeover ( lol ).

This is also why I found the whole idea of sex-communism less silly than it sounds. Leftist logic can easily be expanded to inclued 'innate value on the sexual market' as a form of currency/wealth, making room for another dimension of inequality in need of flattening. This is not a big logical leap, despite being a gigantic change in terms of social norms.

Obviously, you would first have to take the concept and make it more politically viable by cutting out the goverment assigned gf part, any part that hinges on violent overthrow or the founding of another nation (again, L o L ), just make it politically correct and focus on the part where the strive for equality&equity is expanded into the sexual dimension through means yet to be established. Once our innate inequality and the severity of its consequences are accepted in the mainstream, there is a basis for us to demand societal support of one kind or another. Having so many autistic, otherwise mentally ill and ethnic members is a big benefit for this. (Having some people inside academia (maybe outside US) would be another grain boon, though I pity the poor souls having to suffer through a life amongst ideological enemies and female / feminist social scientists.)


Instead of all these extreme fantasies, which require you to revolutionize the entire world and which have no real chance of coming to fruition, there are real political opportunities on the horizon.

I think if incels had coordination and were a real interest group, or rather part of an larger interest group including low/mid status males in general, it would be optimal to explore the most promising avenues in parallel. Even if some of them don't work out, it's worth trying out anything that has the slightest chance at success. We're in a rather desperate position. Outside of sexbot research, being accepted by the left and society as a whole as victims of circumstance in need of help is the most promissing path to improving our situation I can see. This would require some political as well as academical effort which I don't see anyone on here performing anytime soon. So maybe just focus on not being a permanent casus belli for the opposition if you could while spreading the ideas amongst anyone willing to hear them.


All the emotional venting through violent 'jokes' (or just unironic calls for large scale genocide) on here are nothing but free ammunition to the people that despise us the most. If we as a group were 'playing to win', this would not be part of it.
"Kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it " is another typical leftist startegy. Fools low on impuls-control will easily be provoked and put down.

Some people on here are extremly aggressive in their self-identification as incels, consider any attempt at integration or cooperation with society at large a form of treason and generally enjoy this as a place to let out some anger and hate as unfiltered as possible.
You can live life that way, maybe it's even better to be motivated by hate and anger rather than being sad and depressed, anger being a more active and energetic state of mind and all, but you can't participate in politics like that. You can't be part of public discourse. You're maximally offensive behavior makes you into a pariah and anyone close to you guilty by association.

Not that I think what's on here is gonna make much of a difference. But there could come a point at which looking presentable and sympathetic might decide if we are granted a place at the political table or stay a public enemy.


If I had a personal friend of mine on this site, I would advise him to post nothing on here he couldn't explain in a court of law. The short satisfaction that comes from expressing your hate and hurt in appropriate terms is not worth the potential risk you expose both yourself as well as the reputational risk you expose incels as a whole to.

'We're already at the bottom as a group?' Well, at some point we might have a chance to climb back up and it would be rather sad if everyone here will first and foremost affect incels as a group by being a political anker, dragging down any chance we might have at realizing our interests.

There is no fairness to this. This same society that preaches equality and even equity for others is somewhere between indifferend and filled with sadistic joy when it comes to the misery and incomparably intense romantic and social isolation unattractive, low status men experience. Reading through these retarded research articles is declaring war on your own mental health. We will not get a fair hearing, people hating us will not engage in good faith and there will most certainly no one honestly trying to steelman our position as part of any discussion. And yet, you can't win if you aren't playing the political game. Or even the academical one.

TL;DR2: In the future our political progress might hinge on successful PR managment. Anyone unwilling or incapable of exercising self-control will be nothing but a burden. The same can be said for people who consider any form of compromise a defeat. Change is achieved in increments, to demand 'everything or nothing, and all of it right now' is usually the same as demanding to be given nothing at all.

PS: Despite arguing against violent rhetoric here, I do think anyone posting something along the lines of 'too long, didn't read' should indeed get the

 

[Potential Rapist]

too long dnr

 

[Tactical Cope]

dnr, but sometimes it's good to pretend to be a leftist because their methods are more favorable to us. Incel rhetoric is basically the same as socialists in that we want sex to be distributed fairly instead of the top 1%.

 

[Fisheriancel]

too long dnr

PS: Despite arguing against violent rhetoric here, I do think anyone posting something along the lines of 'too long, didn't read' should indeed get the

Change is achieved in increments

It’s how le j3uuu boiz dominated the West. Gradual degenerate shift

 

[Trannydestroyer]

fuck off I won't act like a soy troon to get incel men accepted in the left voice politics is cope for incels ugly men will always be at the bottom of the barrel

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

dnr, but sometimes it's good to pretend to be a leftist because their methods are more favorable to us. Incel rhetoric is basically the same as socialists in that we want sex to be distributed fairly instead of the top 1%.

wondering if anyone is even gonna bother reading that shit in full. and yeah, that's partly my point, the logic underlying leftist ideology revolves around fairness and equality and helping the downtrodden. we're all that, we just need to make the case how much we fit the requirements in the academic and political arena

PS: Despite arguing against violent rhetoric here, I do think anyone posting something along the lines of 'too long, didn't read' should indeed get the

It’s how le j3uuu boiz dominated the West. Gradual degenerate shift

yeah, also, degeneracy creates loyality. if you know you are gonna be back at the bottom of the barrel if your side loses power, you have a strong vested interest in preventing that from happening.

 

[K9Otaku]

No one is even gonna read this till the end, but I still felt the need to type it out, since what I believe on the topic contradicts what most people on here seem to think.

Posted as an reaction to:


The monotheistic Religions are all useless, they can't adapt to a world where science is a primary pillar of power, be it economic, cultural or military. They themselfs are about to become footnotes in history, as technological progress moves so far beyond the miracles they preach that the disconnect becomes impossible to reconcile with their claims to all-importance.

They are by design inflexible. When the world order shifts, religious adherents are stuck with defunct ways of thinking and organizing society and the best they can hope for is to take control over small enclaves, be it mormon communities or entire nations, and force society to remain frozen in a state more amiable to their way of life.

The newest, modern religion is already here. Wokeism is at least a pseudo-religion, much like communism is one.

If you try to get any of the older religions to adapt a new set of creeds, you will have to convince not only their millions of normie believers but more importantly, all the central figures whos power would be threatend by a shift in paradigm. You have nothing to offer when it comes to political power or societal influence and progressives themselfs are already infiltrating / cooperating with religious figure heads to be more accepting of e.g. trans/LGBTQ. The progressives can offer real, meaningful incentives and rewards as well as threaten punishment for defection.

What ever remains of the old religions in the future will be hollowed out husks, progressives having surgically removed anything that directly conflicted with their values.



Instead of trying to bootstrap a whole new world religion from the ground up (lol) or forcing blackpill ideology into an existing religion when we have negative infinite political capital, consider copying the left's playbook and preparing incels to become part of their victim hierachy. Infiltrate instead of fighting directly.

For one, while the left hates men, the right hates losers, so you're no more welcome amongst them than on the left.

Secondly, the left is the intellectual side, they at least have to pretend to care about logic and stats, which is displayed in how they excercise power by controlling journalists+academia and push w/e they want through their dominance in those fields into the public consensus as well as law.

If you truly believe we have the facts on our side, this at least has potential to be relevant with parts of the left under the right circumstances.

Fundamentally, they have a self-image as the saviors of the disadvantaged, marginalized and downtrodden, which is pretty much us in every way imaginable. 'Lookism' is already at least a term in leftists circles. Our real suffering and the abuse we endured is a useful tool when dealing with people who consider themselfs empathetic & selfless do-gooders.


If men's condition as a group becomes bad enough, the left will have to make concessions. The normies are slow as fuck in the head, but this whole insanity is not that old and it has not been in the forefront of politics for that long. I went through the first decade(s) of my life without hearing the word "transsexual" once.

By now, there is some push back being organized amongst the general public. A lot of this shit is not very popular amongst the masses.

So, at least consider preparing for the possbility that at one point, there will be an opportunity to improve our situation by cooperating with the left. A compromise, where they offer some kind of sympathy / societal recources in exchange for not losing the majority of men to their opposition.



An article about the Netherlands, probably already known here:

The Surprising Way the Netherlands Is Helping Its Disabled Have Sex

The Netherlands is known for its social subsidies on everything from education to housing, but it's also subsidizing sex for the disabled. With prostitution legalized in the country, the government is boosting both the domestic sex economy and the…

www.mic.com

The same is being thought about in germany, and the party floating the idea is a leftist one (Die Grünen / The Greens).

Let me put it like this:

-The left already accepts in some countries the right to sex as a human right.

-They are open to support disabled people who can't get any financially and have legalized prostituion.

Once such a thing is put into law, it becomes possible to demand these benefits for yourself, if you can prove yourself similarly disadvantaged.

In many ways, the left is already much closer to an incel-friendly position than any other party or ideology.

Although the American left in paticular is exporting an absurd level of hatred towards men as a group, in a way, the intense aggression they display is potentially useful, because it can help motivate others, both men and family-oriented women, to distance themselfs from the feminist and sex-difference-denying dogmas.

TL;DR: Incels fit the leftist victimhood model perfectly except for being male, meaning they are one step away from becoming elgibile for sympathy and societal support. The left in places already recognizes the right to sex as a human right and has put laws in place that both legalizes prostitution and financially supports those it recognizes as disadvantaged in the partner search.

This seems like a much more promising angle to me than any religious reformation or societal takeover ( lol ).

This is also why I found the whole idea of sex-communism less silly than it sounds. Leftist logic can easily be expanded to inclued 'innate value on the sexual market' as a form of currency/wealth, making room for another dimension of inequality in need of flattening. This is not a big logical leap, despite being a gigantic change in terms of social norms.

Obviously, you would first have to take the concept and make it more politically viable by cutting out the goverment assigned gf part, any part that hinges on violent overthrow or the founding of another nation (again, L o L ), just make it politically correct and focus on the part where the strive for equality&equity is expanded into the sexual dimension through means yet to be established. Once our innate inequality and the severity of its consequences are accepted in the mainstream, there is a basis for us to demand societal support of one kind or another. Having so many autistic, otherwise mentally ill and ethnic members is a big benefit for this. (Having some people inside academia (maybe outside US) would be another grain boon, though I pity the poor souls having to suffer through a life amongst ideological enemies and female / feminist social scientists.)


Instead of all these extreme fantasies, which require you to revolutionize the entire world and which have no real chance of coming to fruition, there are real political opportunities on the horizon.

I think if incels had coordination and were a real interest group, or rather part of an larger interest group including low/mid status males in general, it would be optimal to explore the most promising avenues in parallel. Even if some of them don't work out, it's worth trying out anything that has the slightest chance at success. We're in a rather desperate position. Outside of sexbot research, being accepted by the left and society as a whole as victims of circumstance in need of help is the most promissing path to improving our situation I can see. This would require some political as well as academical effort which I don't see anyone on here performing anytime soon. So maybe just focus on not being a permanent casus belli for the opposition if you could while spreading the ideas amongst anyone willing to hear them.


All the emotional venting through violent 'jokes' (or just unironic calls for large scale genocide) on here are nothing but free ammunition to the people that despise us the most. If we as a group were 'playing to win', this would not be part of it.
"Kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it " is another typical leftist startegy. Fools low on impuls-control will easily be provoked and put down.

Some people on here are extremly aggressive in their self-identification as incels, consider any attempt at integration or cooperation with society at large a form of treason and generally enjoy this as a place to let out some anger and hate as unfiltered as possible.
You can live life that way, maybe it's even better to be motivated by hate and anger rather than being sad and depressed, anger being a more active and energetic state of mind and all, but you can't participate in politics like that. You can't be part of public discourse. You're maximally offensive behavior makes you into a pariah and anyone close to you guilty by association.

Not that I think what's on here is gonna make much of a difference. But there could come a point at which looking presentable and sympathetic might decide if we are granted a place at the political table or stay a public enemy.


If I had a personal friend of mine on this site, I would advise him to post nothing on here he couldn't explain in a court of law. The short satisfaction that comes from expressing your hate and hurt in appropriate terms is not worth the potential risk you expose both yourself as well as the reputational risk you expose incels as a whole to.

'We're already at the bottom as a group?' Well, at some point we might have a chance to climb back up and it would be rather sad if everyone here will first and foremost affect incels as a group by being a political anker, dragging down any chance we might have at realizing our interests.

There is no fairness to this. This same society that preaches equality and even equity for others is somewhere between indifferend and filled with sadistic joy when it comes to the misery and incomparably intense romantic and social isolation unattractive, low status men experience. Reading through these retarded research articles is declaring war on your own mental health. We will not get a fair hearing, people hating us will not engage in good faith and there will most certainly no one honestly trying to steelman our position as part of any discussion. And yet, you can't win if you aren't playing the political game. Or even the academical one.

TL;DR2: In the future our political progress might hinge on successful PR managment. Anyone unwilling or incapable of exercising self-control will be nothing but a burden. The same can be said for people who consider any form of compromise a defeat. Change is achieved in increments, to demand 'everything or nothing, and all of it right now' is usually the same as demanding to be given nothing at all.

PS: Despite arguing against violent rhetoric here, I do think anyone posting something along the lines of 'too long, didn't read' should indeed get the

I did read until the end.

Let me ask you this question: what you seem to be getting at is that us incels could get state-subsidized escorts if we became acceptable to the left. Ok, maybe. But would you be satisfied with that? You would still be looked down upon by everyone else and considered a loser, etc. Your career prospects would still be limited and foids would be giving you dirty looks in public places. Would you be content with that?

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I did read until the end.

Let me ask you this question: what you seem to be getting at is that us incels could get state-subsidized escorts if we became acceptable to the left. Ok, maybe. But would you be satisfied with that? You would still be looked down upon by everyone else and considered a loser, etc. Your career prospects would still be limited and foids would be giving you dirty looks in public places. Would you be content with that?

Short term, maybe we get some money. But once our plight is acknowledged and the public aware, social dynamics shift.
1. No more low IQ or high agreeableness incels spending decades getting brain fucked by propaganda.
2. Once male struggle and it's roots are widely known, it becomes easier for men to sympathize with each other. You know that you are not alone with your problems, so it becomes less shameful to talk openly about them.
->This also is the beginning of men forming a coordinated interest group and affecting politics for their own benefit.

3. I also believe female behavior would undergo some changes. Women will know what they are doing and they will know that others around them know, as well.
This makes it easier to shame women for their behavior, it creates an incentive to intentionally go against female instinct to virtue signal how differend and morally superior you are, etc.

All in all I don't know if the changes would be enough, but I think this is the only path (outside of sex bots) that helps us a noticable amount while being realistically possible.

Also, thanks for reading

 

[K9Otaku]

Short term, maybe we get some money. But once our plight is acknowledged and the public aware, social dynamics shift.
1. No more low IQ or high agreeableness incels spending decades getting brain fucked by propaganda.
2. Once male struggle and it's roots are widely known, it becomes easier for men to sympathize with each other. You know that you are not alone with your problems, so it becomes less shameful to talk openly about them.
->This also is the beginning of men forming a coordinated interest group and affecting politics for their own benefit.

3. I also believe female behavior would undergo some changes. Women will know what they are doing and they will know that others around them know, as well.
This makes it easier to shame women for their behavior, it creates an incentive to intentionally go against female instinct to virtue signal how differend and morally superior you are, etc.

All in all I don't know if the changes would be enough, but I think this is the only path (outside of sex bots) that helps us a noticable amount while being realistically possible.

Also, thanks for reading

I understand what you mean and I think it is doable.

In religious terms, what you are advocating is a symbolic shift from Ishtar to a kind of Mother Goddess figure. It may indeed be possible to do that. The left is always torn between its "support foids in everything" tendency and its "motherly nurturing" instincts. The former (Ishtar) is totally impervious to the plight of incels, but the latter may not be. The tension between Ishtar the slut and "the Mother" has existed in many cultures before. It still exists very explicitly in Hinduism.

Personally, I would not be attracted by this "shift to the mother". I am a religiously-inclined person and I think we can do better than that in the religion department. Contrary to you, I do not believe that the heritage of Abrahamic faiths is dead. Obviously, Christianity in its organized form is unreformable and will indeed wither away. What you fail to see, I think, is that below that moribund surface, there is an intact philosophico-religious engine that still works. To me, Christianity is like an old pickup truck in a scrapyard. Yes, the body and the seats and everything inside is rotten and rusted away beyond repair. But the engine is still good. The problem is that nobody sees it because everyone has forgotten how it looked when it worked.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I understand what you mean and I think it is doable.

In religious terms, what you are advocating is a symbolic shift from Ishtar to a kind of Mother Goddess figure. It may indeed be possible to do that. The left is always torn between its "support foids in everything" tendency and its "motherly nurturing" instincts. The former (Ishtar) is totally impervious to the plight of incels, but the latter may not be. The tension between Ishtar the slut and "the Mother" has existed in many cultures before. It still exists very explicitly in Hinduism.

Personally, I would not be attracted by this "shift to the mother". I am a religiously-inclined person and I think we can do better than that in the religion department. Contrary to you, I do not believe that the heritage of Abrahamic faiths is dead. Obviously, Christianity in its organized form is unreformable and will indeed wither away. What you fail to see, I think, is that below that moribund surface, there is an intact philosophico-religious engine that still works. To me, Christianity is like an old pickup truck in a scrapyard. Yes, the body and the seats and everything inside is rotten and rusted away beyond repair. But the engine is still good. The problem is that nobody sees it because everyone has forgotten how it looked when it worked.

Well, I wish you the best of luck with w/e you try to revitalize that faith.

One more point I made in that wall of text: We don't have to do one thing or the other. We should do as many of the things that seem like they have a chance of working, all at the same time. Not everyone has something to offer when it comes to being an apostle and not everyone is good at playing political games or doing public outreach.

Once it becomes clear what worked out the best, incels / low status men as a group will have it easier to unite behind something that shows some promise, and these ideas seem to me like they aren't in any direct conflict with each other.

As opposed to e.g. an exessive focus on violent retaliation, which just creates a trap door under the feet of anyone trying to give some publicity to incel-suffering, a trap door the opposition can activate whenever they feel like.

I understand the desire to hurt back when you get hurt as badly as some of us were, that's just basic human nature. And I understand that revenge fantasies are not about being marketable or socially acceptable, but still, that shit simply is terrible PR.

thanks for the exchange by the way, even though I don't relate to religious people for the most part, your perspective seems very pragmatic and understandable

 

[Pancakecel]

Dnr, no essays for your face

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Dnr, no essays for your face

consider: today effective altruists write long essays and control billions in charity money and they care about random shit like "how much can insects suffer?"

we have a strong instinct to hate and avoid insects for obvious evolutionary reasons, but now that instinct is overwhelmed by the desire for status & moral superiority maxxing.

looks are rather inflexible, how society treats men might not be as much

 

[blackraven]

I read most except like one paragraph, and can say that this won't work because leftist don't care about men, especially the ugly and autistic ones

 

[Racial-Identitarian]

No one is even gonna read this till the end, but I still felt the need to type it out, since what I believe on the topic contradicts what most people on here seem to think.

Posted as an reaction to:


The monotheistic Religions are all useless, they can't adapt to a world where science is a primary pillar of power, be it economic, cultural or military. They themselfs are about to become footnotes in history, as technological progress moves so far beyond the miracles they preach that the disconnect becomes impossible to reconcile with their claims to all-importance.

They are by design inflexible. When the world order shifts, religious adherents are stuck with defunct ways of thinking and organizing society and the best they can hope for is to take control over small enclaves, be it mormon communities or entire nations, and force society to remain frozen in a state more amiable to their way of life.

The newest, modern religion is already here. Wokeism is at least a pseudo-religion, much like communism is one.

If you try to get any of the older religions to adapt a new set of creeds, you will have to convince not only their millions of normie believers but more importantly, all the central figures whos power would be threatend by a shift in paradigm. You have nothing to offer when it comes to political power or societal influence and progressives themselfs are already infiltrating / cooperating with religious figure heads to be more accepting of e.g. trans/LGBTQ. The progressives can offer real, meaningful incentives and rewards as well as threaten punishment for defection.

What ever remains of the old religions in the future will be hollowed out husks, progressives having surgically removed anything that directly conflicted with their values.



Instead of trying to bootstrap a whole new world religion from the ground up (lol) or forcing blackpill ideology into an existing religion when we have negative infinite political capital, consider copying the left's playbook and preparing incels to become part of their victim hierachy. Infiltrate instead of fighting directly.

For one, while the left hates men, the right hates losers, so you're no more welcome amongst them than on the left.

Secondly, the left is the intellectual side, they at least have to pretend to care about logic and stats, which is displayed in how they excercise power by controlling journalists+academia and push w/e they want through their dominance in those fields into the public consensus as well as law.

If you truly believe we have the facts on our side, this at least has potential to be relevant with parts of the left under the right circumstances.

Fundamentally, they have a self-image as the saviors of the disadvantaged, marginalized and downtrodden, which is pretty much us in every way imaginable. 'Lookism' is already at least a term in leftists circles. Our real suffering and the abuse we endured is a useful tool when dealing with people who consider themselfs empathetic & selfless do-gooders.


If men's condition as a group becomes bad enough, the left will have to make concessions. The normies are slow as fuck in the head, but this whole insanity is not that old and it has not been in the forefront of politics for that long. I went through the first decade(s) of my life without hearing the word "transsexual" once.

By now, there is some push back being organized amongst the general public. A lot of this shit is not very popular amongst the masses.

So, at least consider preparing for the possbility that at one point, there will be an opportunity to improve our situation by cooperating with the left. A compromise, where they offer some kind of sympathy / societal recources in exchange for not losing the majority of men to their opposition.



An article about the Netherlands, probably already known here:

The Surprising Way the Netherlands Is Helping Its Disabled Have Sex

The Netherlands is known for its social subsidies on everything from education to housing, but it's also subsidizing sex for the disabled. With prostitution legalized in the country, the government is boosting both the domestic sex economy and the…

www.mic.com

The same is being thought about in germany, and the party floating the idea is a leftist one (Die Grünen / The Greens).

Let me put it like this:

-The left already accepts in some countries the right to sex as a human right.

-They are open to support disabled people who can't get any financially and have legalized prostituion.

Once such a thing is put into law, it becomes possible to demand these benefits for yourself, if you can prove yourself similarly disadvantaged.

In many ways, the left is already much closer to an incel-friendly position than any other party or ideology.

Although the American left in paticular is exporting an absurd level of hatred towards men as a group, in a way, the intense aggression they display is potentially useful, because it can help motivate others, both men and family-oriented women, to distance themselfs from the feminist and sex-difference-denying dogmas.

TL;DR: Incels fit the leftist victimhood model perfectly except for being male, meaning they are one step away from becoming elgibile for sympathy and societal support. The left in places already recognizes the right to sex as a human right and has put laws in place that both legalizes prostitution and financially supports those it recognizes as disadvantaged in the partner search.

This seems like a much more promising angle to me than any religious reformation or societal takeover ( lol ).

This is also why I found the whole idea of sex-communism less silly than it sounds. Leftist logic can easily be expanded to inclued 'innate value on the sexual market' as a form of currency/wealth, making room for another dimension of inequality in need of flattening. This is not a big logical leap, despite being a gigantic change in terms of social norms.

Obviously, you would first have to take the concept and make it more politically viable by cutting out the goverment assigned gf part, any part that hinges on violent overthrow or the founding of another nation (again, L o L ), just make it politically correct and focus on the part where the strive for equality&equity is expanded into the sexual dimension through means yet to be established. Once our innate inequality and the severity of its consequences are accepted in the mainstream, there is a basis for us to demand societal support of one kind or another. Having so many autistic, otherwise mentally ill and ethnic members is a big benefit for this. (Having some people inside academia (maybe outside US) would be another grain boon, though I pity the poor souls having to suffer through a life amongst ideological enemies and female / feminist social scientists.)


Instead of all these extreme fantasies, which require you to revolutionize the entire world and which have no real chance of coming to fruition, there are real political opportunities on the horizon.

I think if incels had coordination and were a real interest group, or rather part of an larger interest group including low/mid status males in general, it would be optimal to explore the most promising avenues in parallel. Even if some of them don't work out, it's worth trying out anything that has the slightest chance at success. We're in a rather desperate position. Outside of sexbot research, being accepted by the left and society as a whole as victims of circumstance in need of help is the most promissing path to improving our situation I can see. This would require some political as well as academical effort which I don't see anyone on here performing anytime soon. So maybe just focus on not being a permanent casus belli for the opposition if you could while spreading the ideas amongst anyone willing to hear them.


All the emotional venting through violent 'jokes' (or just unironic calls for large scale genocide) on here are nothing but free ammunition to the people that despise us the most. If we as a group were 'playing to win', this would not be part of it.
"Kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it " is another typical leftist startegy. Fools low on impuls-control will easily be provoked and put down.

Some people on here are extremly aggressive in their self-identification as incels, consider any attempt at integration or cooperation with society at large a form of treason and generally enjoy this as a place to let out some anger and hate as unfiltered as possible.
You can live life that way, maybe it's even better to be motivated by hate and anger rather than being sad and depressed, anger being a more active and energetic state of mind and all, but you can't participate in politics like that. You can't be part of public discourse. You're maximally offensive behavior makes you into a pariah and anyone close to you guilty by association.

Not that I think what's on here is gonna make much of a difference. But there could come a point at which looking presentable and sympathetic might decide if we are granted a place at the political table or stay a public enemy.


If I had a personal friend of mine on this site, I would advise him to post nothing on here he couldn't explain in a court of law. The short satisfaction that comes from expressing your hate and hurt in appropriate terms is not worth the potential risk you expose both yourself as well as the reputational risk you expose incels as a whole to.

'We're already at the bottom as a group?' Well, at some point we might have a chance to climb back up and it would be rather sad if everyone here will first and foremost affect incels as a group by being a political anker, dragging down any chance we might have at realizing our interests.

There is no fairness to this. This same society that preaches equality and even equity for others is somewhere between indifferend and filled with sadistic joy when it comes to the misery and incomparably intense romantic and social isolation unattractive, low status men experience. Reading through these retarded research articles is declaring war on your own mental health. We will not get a fair hearing, people hating us will not engage in good faith and there will most certainly no one honestly trying to steelman our position as part of any discussion. And yet, you can't win if you aren't playing the political game. Or even the academical one.

TL;DR2: In the future our political progress might hinge on successful PR managment. Anyone unwilling or incapable of exercising self-control will be nothing but a burden. The same can be said for people who consider any form of compromise a defeat. Change is achieved in increments, to demand 'everything or nothing, and all of it right now' is usually the same as demanding to be given nothing at all.

PS: Despite arguing against violent rhetoric here, I do think anyone posting something along the lines of 'too long, didn't read' should indeed get the

Gigabased

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Gigabased

well, thank you for the kind words and for reading all that shit

 

[LifeMaxxer]

I agree. It's the best bet. Only the whitecels here are right leaning in the first place tbh. A ethnic that leans right is just retarded

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

the left is the intellectual side

OP, you are retarded if you think globohomo will ever align with incels. We are everything they hate: straight, male, mostly white or deathnic, racist, misogynistic, transphobic, etc. Moreover their pet project feminism directly creates inceldom and they will never choose to support incels over feminists.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

OP, you are retarded if you think globohomo will ever align with incels. We are everything they hate: straight, male, mostly white or deathnic, racist, misogynistic, transphobic, etc. Moreover their pet project feminism directly creates inceldom and they will never choose to support incels over feminists.

I made my case in the wall of text above. The rules they play by are more complex than you present them and these rules are not infinitely flexible. And yes, intellectuals are strongly left leaning as a group. They might be using their intellect to achieve increasingly schizophrenic forms of doublethink, but that takes some mental capacity and flexibility as well.
They are also the high IQ side. See this for a short but comprehensive analysis.

Once enough men have it bad enough, they will have to make some adjustments or risk someone else using the opportunity to capture the loyality of men as a group. If we want to affect how that plays out in any way, that can only be done by engaging with politics and academia. The right is both useless and looks down on us, they are less likely to be sympathetic to our plight than the left. The right is not focused on equality, or fairness or helping the disadvantaged.
We really have no other place to turn to. What is the alternative strategy?

Like, what other plan for a solution am I competing with? Is there anything else on offer? And does that alternative plan actually strictly exclude also trying my strategy in parallel?

I think if incels had coordination and were a real interest group, or rather part of an larger interest group including low/mid status males in general, it would be optimal to explore the most promising avenues in parallel. Even if some of them don't work out, it's worth trying out anything that has the slightest chance at success. We're in a rather desperate position.

Another point: You might think American politics are a desaster right now, but the newest generation of university students are noticably more woke than the last. By openly denouncing leftist ideology, you are setting yourself up as the enemy of the next generation of elites. That is not a smart decision and it has no tangible benefits. It only makes sense if you are 1000% certain that you can never get them to ally themselfs with you.

I reasoned in my post that we actually fullfill all necessary conditions to be granted the status of marginalized victims except for being male. One problem to overcome. A hard problem, but one made easier by the increasing number of frustrated men exerting political pressure on progressives.

 

[Lv99_BixNood]

I made my case in the wall of text above. The rules they play by are more complex than you present them and these rules are not infinitely flexible. And yes, intellectuals are strongly left leaning as a group. They might be using their intellect to achieve increasingly schizophrenic forms of doublethink, but that takes some mental capacity and flexibility as well.
They are also the high IQ side. See this for a short but comprehensive analysis.

That they are "intellectuals" does not matter, they abandoned logic and reasoning long ago. Their opinions on political topics are decided by their dogmatic ideology, not by facts. Race does not exist, gender is a social construct, the earth is flat, where is the difference? Similarly their victimhood hierarchy is also a dogma and incels need not apply.

A few years ago they tried making a "political correct" incel sub on reddit (which is as is known extremely liberal), they banned calls for violence, racism, sexism, transphobia etc and even had a female moderator (jfl). Did it matter? No, they still got banned for some bogus reason. Trying to appease leftists is an utterly futile task, they already decided we are the enemy and they will not change their mind no matter what we do.

As an incel you should vote far right or islamist parties because the less rights women have the better.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

That they are "intellectuals" does not matter, they abandoned logic and reasoning long ago. Their opinions on political topics are decided by their dogmatic ideology, not by facts. Race does not exist, gender is a social construct, the earth is flat, where is the difference? Similarly their victimhood hierarchy is also a dogma and incels need not apply.

A few years ago they tried making a "political correct" incel sub on reddit (which is as is known extremely liberal), they banned calls for violence, racism, sexism, transphobia etc and even had a female moderator (jfl). Did it matter? No, they still got banned for some bogus reason. Trying to appease leftists is an utterly futile task, they already decided we are the enemy and they will not change their mind no matter what we do.

As an incel you should vote far right or islamist parties because the less rights women have the better.

Kinda don't want to write the same stuff for the third time. Politics isn't static. The dating market isn't getting better. Fertility is not solving itself. Something will have to give. Right now leftists can just push their ideas through with force. But over time that amasses resentment. Ideas spread through the population. People start pushing back. Someone should be there to influence these counter reactions in a direction more sympathetic towards us. In addition, some people should try to push leftists in that same direction, in the hope that they might budge once they are feeling under pressure to keep political and cultural hegemony intact.

My loyality lies more with my sex than it lies with any political affiliation. Male group loyality should be unified to the extent that that's possible and then sold to the highest bidder, meaning the person that offers us the best conditions. I have no interest in what the Republican or Democrat Party want. I care about what ( mostly low status ) men want. If Democrats are willing to provide, I would side with them without hesitation. And they are really the only one that can provide. They have the cultural reigns in hand and that looks to be only more the case with the next generation.
Men should combine into one interest group with strong ingroup loyality, then engage in negotiations with other interest groups to form coalitions. Tying yourself to any side without getting something in return is throwing away your potential bargaining position.

The right, be it extreme or moderate, does not care about losers. They idealize 'self-made' men, competition and individualism. The American right in particular has proven itself to be worse than useless. Both the politicans as well as the wider voter base are severly lacking in human capital.

Islam might be more realistic of a threat to leftist ideology because of their strong loyality enforcement mechanisms, but I would bet against their religion coming out on top. It's older and less optimized for the modern world, while the progressive pseudo-religion is dominant in the worlds largest superpower(s). In addition, the islamic way of life is undesirable to me in differend but no less meaningful ways than the progressive's.

 

[SmhChan]

I strongly think large-scale legalisation of prostitution would be a fucking disaster. OF and twitch thots are already a great example. The left always takes the degenerative shortcut instead of addressing the deep underlying problem. They will use extreme cases of charity like, sex for disabled, to spread more degeneracy. Well, who's paying for that whore's payment. It means more taxpayers money on the prostitution business. Being even bigger slaves for the system for a thoroughly drilled hole. There was this news I saw of NY's whore governor allocating a million dollars for the prostitutes. These seemingly benevolent european countries may not feel the brunt of it since the JBWs there can still ethnic-max, but it's already started to hurt the ethnics because of it.

I don't care which ancient fucking society glorified prostitution, but you just can't have a productive society by commodifying every facet of human interactions. We already have incels on this forum, just as miserable if not more, rotting here despite escort-maxxing.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I strongly think large-scale legalisation of prostitution would be a fucking disaster. OF and twitch thots are already a great example. The left always takes the degenerative shortcut instead of addressing the deep underlying problem. They will use extreme cases of charity like, sex for disabled, to spread more degeneracy. Well, who's paying for that whore's payment. It means more taxpayers money on the prostitution business. Being even bigger slaves for the system for a thoroughly drilled hole. There was this news I saw of NY's whore governor allocating a million dollars for the prostitutes. These seemingly benevolent european countries may not feel the brunt of it since the JBWs there can still ethnic-max, but it's already started to hurt the ethnics because of it.

I don't care which ancient fucking society glorified prostitution, but you just can't have a productive society by commodifying every facet of human interactions. We already have incels on this forum, just as miserable if not more, rotting here despite escort-maxxing.

the tax dollar not spend on supporting low status men doesn't remain uncollected, it goes somewhere else. more money towards your own group is not a negative.
but more importantly, for us to get any money we would have to be accepted as disadvantaged and in need. at that point the hardest part is already done. once the left has accepted us as unfairly disadvantaged and marginalized, we're now standing inside the tent instead of outside. that is in itself worth more than some poor souls fking escorts on taxpayer dollars.

TL;DR2: In the future our political progress might hinge on successful PR managment. Anyone unwilling or incapable of exercising self-control will be nothing but a burden. The same can be said for people who consider any form of compromise a defeat. Change is achieved in increments, to demand 'everything or nothing, and all of it right now' is usually the same as demanding to be given nothing at all.

 

[Gamblord]

The monotheistic Religions are all useless, they can't adapt to a world where science is a primary pillar of power, be it economic, cultural or military. They themselfs are about to become footnotes in history, as technological progress moves so far beyond the miracles they preach that the disconnect becomes impossible to reconcile with their claims to all-importance.

They are by design inflexible. When the world order shifts, religious adherents are stuck with defunct ways of thinking and organizing society and the best they can hope for is to take control over small enclaves, be it mormon communities or entire nations, and force society to remain frozen in a state more amiable to their way of life.

Only useless when the state removes religion from power. Last I checked countries like Iran, SA, UAE, Afghanistan etc are in control of foid behavior. I don't believe in any of them but it is crazy to say they are useless when it comes to what matters like controlling foid sexuality.

Instead of trying to bootstrap a whole new world religion from the ground up (lol) or forcing blackpill ideology into an existing religion when we have negative infinite political capital, consider copying the left's playbook and preparing incels to become part of their victim hierachy. Infiltrate instead of fighting directly.

This is incredibly naive. Leftism isn't powerful because of their dogshit ideology it's because those in power consider it's believers to be useful idiots for their own selfish agendas whether it is depopulation, government consolidation of power, controlling male behavior via manipulating foids.

Even if all the men submitted in theory, it wouldn't work. Leftist ideology comes in many flavours but the all emcompassing principle is government centralization of private property and redistribution. Non-incels will not want to share their resources with a huge group of men that studies are saying are 30-60% of the male population. In the US, the government doesn't even want to divert military spending toward healthcare but you naively think they want to give gibs to half the male population? Foids don't want suplus males thriving because they are not Chads. Chads do not want competition either, they want you gone. The government only wants you alive if you can keep paying tax so they can print more and give it to themselves and their friends and family. They are not interested in giving incels anything just because you suscribed to good goy ideology and promise to wear a gps-chipped black dildo in your ass.

For one, while the left hates men, the right hates losers, so you're no more welcome amongst them than on the left.

agree but recognise that both are controlled opposition and neither will ever make your life better if you are an incel. If you believe otherwise you are being foolishly naive and stupid.

Secondly, the left is the intellectual side, they at least have to pretend to care about logic and stats, which is displayed in how they excercise power by controlling journalists+academia and push w/e they want through their dominance in those fields into the public consensus as well as law.

If you truly believe we have the facts on our side, this at least has potential to be relevant with parts of the left under the right circumstances.

You couldn't be more wrong on this. The left only parrots cherry picked statistics and when confronted with empiracle evidence that contradicts them they resort to name-calling and censorship. The only reason their talking points are in the mainstream platforms is because of draconian censorship that silences all opposing voices.

Fundamentally, they have a self-image as the saviors of the disadvantaged, marginalized and downtrodden, which is pretty much us in every way imaginable. 'Lookism' is already at least a term in leftists circles. Our real suffering and the abuse we endured is a useful tool when dealing with people who consider themselfs empathetic & selfless do-gooders.

If men's condition as a group becomes bad enough, the left will have to make concessions. The normies are slow as fuck in the head, but this whole insanity is not that old and it has not been in the forefront of politics for that long. I went through the first decade(s) of my life without hearing the word "transsexual" once.

By now, there is some push back being organized amongst the general public. A lot of this shit is not very popular amongst the masses.

So, at least consider preparing for the possbility that at one point, there will be an opportunity to improve our situation by cooperating with the left. A compromise, where they offer some kind of sympathy / societal recources in exchange for not losing the majority of men to their opposition.

Depopulation & removing surplus men is the silent agenda. That works well with faggots and troons because they willingly remove themselves from the gene pool but that isn't going to go well with the men unless you want to voluntarily sterilise yourself or agree to eat bugs & own nothing forever. They aren't just going to let you join their LGBTQ++++ coalition for nothing, I am sure the price will be steep and reward will be trash. A raw deal for men as always.

An article about the Netherlands, probably already known here:

The Surprising Way the Netherlands Is Helping Its Disabled Have Sex

The Netherlands is known for its social subsidies on everything from education to housing, but it's also subsidizing sex for the disabled. With prostitution legalized in the country, the government is boosting both the domestic sex economy and the…

www.mic.com

The same is being thought about in germany, and the party floating the idea is a leftist one (Die Grünen / The Greens).

This seems like a much more promising angle to me than any religious reformation or societal takeover ( lol ).

This is also why I found the whole idea of sex-communism less silly than it sounds. Leftist logic can easily be expanded to inclued 'innate value on the sexual market' as a form of currency/wealth, making room for another dimension of inequality in need of flattening. This is not a big logical leap, despite being a gigantic change in terms of social norms.

Obviously, you would first have to take the concept and make it more politically viable by cutting out the goverment assigned gf part, any part that hinges on violent overthrow or the founding of another nation (again, L o L ), just make it politically correct and focus on the part where the strive for equality&equity is expanded into the sexual dimension through means yet to be established. Once our innate inequality and the severity of its consequences are accepted in the mainstream, there is a basis for us to demand societal support of one kind or another. Having so many autistic, otherwise mentally ill and ethnic members is a big benefit for this. (Having some people inside academia (maybe outside US) would be another grain boon, though I pity the poor souls having to suffer through a life amongst ideological enemies and female / feminist social scientists.)


Instead of all these extreme fantasies, which require you to revolutionize the entire world and which have no real chance of coming to fruition, there are real political opportunities on the horizon.

I think if incels had coordination and were a real interest group, or rather part of an larger interest group including low/mid status males in general, it would be optimal to explore the most promising avenues in parallel. Even if some of them don't work out, it's worth trying out anything that has the slightest chance at success. We're in a rather desperate position. Outside of sexbot research, being accepted by the left and society as a whole as victims of circumstance in need of help is the most promissing path to improving our situation I can see. This would require some political as well as academical effort which I don't see anyone on here performing anytime soon. So maybe just focus on not being a permanent casus belli for the opposition if you could while spreading the ideas amongst anyone willing to hear them.


All the emotional venting through violent 'jokes' (or just unironic calls for large scale genocide) on here are nothing but free ammunition to the people that despise us the most. If we as a group were 'playing to win', this would not be part of it.
"Kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it " is another typical leftist startegy. Fools low on impuls-control will easily be provoked and put down.

Some people on here are extremly aggressive in their self-identification as incels, consider any attempt at integration or cooperation with society at large a form of treason and generally enjoy this as a place to let out some anger and hate as unfiltered as possible.
You can live life that way, maybe it's even better to be motivated by hate and anger rather than being sad and depressed, anger being a more active and energetic state of mind and all, but you can't participate in politics like that. You can't be part of public discourse. You're maximally offensive behavior makes you into a pariah and anyone close to you guilty by association.

Not that I think what's on here is gonna make much of a difference. But there could come a point at which looking presentable and sympathetic might decide if we are granted a place at the political table or stay a public enemy.


If I had a personal friend of mine on this site, I would advise him to post nothing on here he couldn't explain in a court of law. The short satisfaction that comes from expressing your hate and hurt in appropriate terms is not worth the potential risk you expose both yourself as well as the reputational risk you expose incels as a whole to.

'We're already at the bottom as a group?' Well, at some point we might have a chance to climb back up and it would be rather sad if everyone here will first and foremost affect incels as a group by being a political anker, dragging down any chance we might have at realizing our interests.

There is no fairness to this. This same society that preaches equality and even equity for others is somewhere between indifferend and filled with sadistic joy when it comes to the misery and incomparably intense romantic and social isolation unattractive, low status men experience. Reading through these retarded research articles is declaring war on your own mental health. We will not get a fair hearing, people hating us will not engage in good faith and there will most certainly no one honestly trying to steelman our position as part of any discussion. And yet, you can't win if you aren't playing the political game. Or even the academical one.

TL;DR2: In the future our political progress might hinge on successful PR managment. Anyone unwilling or incapable of exercising self-control will be nothing but a burden. The same can be said for people who consider any form of compromise a defeat. Change is achieved in increments, to demand 'everything or nothing, and all of it right now' is usually the same as demanding to be given nothing at all.

PS: Despite arguing against violent rhetoric here, I do think anyone posting something along the lines of 'too long, didn't read' should indeed get the

Let's just ignore the fact that other countries (like the US) will not be able to emulate these kind of practices for a moment.

Having prostitute gibs will not change that you are an incel, this is at best a momentary cope similar to your porn, video games, prescription pills. This is not a permanent solution to you being an incel. I know I just repeated myself there but I need to drive this point hard into your brain because it is important.

 

[Racial-Identitarian]

The liberal left should fund gene editing for ethnics (call it reparation just like they do to african american)

They must commit totally for it
This is one of the real solution to us when your plan worked to the total acceptance phase

But before that there will be so many obstacle to do

The plan is good on paper but surely the current situation rn is not soo good to us unfortunately

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

The liberal left should fund gene editing for ethnics (call it reparation just like they do to african american)

They must commit totally for it
This is one of the real solution to us when your plan worked to the total acceptance phase

But before that there will be so many obstacle to do

The plan is good on paper but surely the current situation rn is not soo good to us unfortunately

Thanks, I'm happy you can share this perspective.

I can see the potential beauty of what a world after large scale eugenics program would look like. A world where ~no one is born ugly, stupid, mentally ill, prone to violence, small, with a small dick, with mentally ill or stupid or violent parents. Where 'free love' kind of works since everyone you meet is loveable, at least in terms of looks.

If we were way in the past, I would have heavily advocated for meassures like paying off criminals to get sterilized, be that with money or shorter sentences or just better living conditions in jail. Socially pressure women to select with eugenics in mind by making any tendency they have towards selecting for unwanted traits widely known and establishing norms around shaming the women embracing such tendencies carelessly. Offer finanical incentives to couples willing to carry the child of high quality sperm donors and try to normalize such an arrangement. Etc.

I would have advocated for making eugnics not only socially acceptable but high status in any way possible, so that once gene editing tech arrives and becomes affordable, people actually use it to societies benefit and states deploy it to maximize their human capital.

As my signature suggests, I think the ship has sailed. Since I believe A(S)I to soon become so impactful that it becomes the primary factor determining the success of any long term project, political or otherwise, I don't think eugenics matter as much anymore. I mostly talk about them
a) to give people the image of an ideal but realisable world worth striving towards, show them how much better things really could be, give them a cause, make them feel like the mandate of heaven is theirs
b) because in the case ASI comes slower than I expect (5-50 years) it might still matter
c) because without making genetics part of the picture, human history can not be understood correctly, and eugenics gives me a moral justification to spread the knowledge surrounding race realism.


Now I think men need to get back into societies good graces. Assuming ASI doesn't end humanity or worse, it will concentrate absurd amounts of power in few hands. And the people most likely to wield that power all hate us right now. Submitting isn't an option, men as a group are already belly up on the floor, licking our oppositions shoes. We need to fight back in the policial and intellectual arena, but for now that seems absurdly difficult to do. Someone needs to go into the relevant fields and repurpose their analytical tools to our benefit, but that person will have to have an inhumanly strong mental reslience to make it through uni / academia successfully as an 'undercover' men's right activist without going insane.

 

[Mentally lost cel]

I agree. It's the best bet. Only the whitecels here are right leaning in the first place tbh. A ethnic that leans right is just retarded

This

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I agree. It's the best bet. Only the whitecels here are right leaning in the first place tbh. A ethnic that leans right is just retarded

Ethnic Republicans are above average IQ for their race, since only wealthier ethnics don't need / don't profit from state handouts.
Though I guess you mean further right than that, and outside of financial consideration there is still lots that ethnics can hope to gain from having leftists in power that they couldn't hope for from the right.

 

[soul contre tous]

Instead of trying to bootstrap a whole new world religion from the ground up (lol) or forcing blackpill ideology into an existing religion when we have negative infinite political capital, consider copying the left's playbook and preparing incels to become part of their victim hierachy. Infiltrate instead of fighting directly.

Aren't we kind of doing that already? The self-victimization of inkwells is at least as present as that of, lets say black people.

For one, while the left hates men, the right hates losers, so you're no more welcome amongst them than on the left.

While the right openly hates inkwells for their (genetic) inferiority, the left is hypocritical.
Leftists reverse the opressor and the opressed (DARVO) , while still discriminating against poor, ugly men, plus they are largely at fault for that same predicament, us poor, ugly men face.

Being openly deemed as inferior by the right is still better than being gaslighted into unjustified guilt, by the modern left, all while being discriminated even more harshly because of "privileges" you don't have.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Aren't we kind of doing that already? The self-victimization of inkwells is at least as present as that of, lets say black people.

Copying the left's playbook would be if some incels spent a decade or two invading academia and creating an intellectual framework that repurposes the analytical tools the left uses to "proof" the marginalisation and discrimination against minorities / women in order to make the same case for men / low status men.
Crying online is not really a core part of leftist startegy. Massproducing propaganda and taking over instituions from the inside is.

Also, our self-vicimisation is at least partly based on actual insights and stats, while black people's self-victimisation is based on a foundation of lies, willful ignorance and misinterpretation of history and data.

We might at times also be overstating things or getting something wrong, but I believe at least our foundational assumptions (genetic determinism, sex differences, etc.) to be correct.

While the right openly hates inkwells for their (genetic) inferiority, the left is hypocritical.
Leftists reverse the opressor and the opressed (DARVO) , while still discriminating against poor, ugly men, plus they are largely at fault for that same predicament, us poor, ugly men face.

Being openly deemed as inferior by the right is still better than being gaslighted into unjustified guilt, by the modern left, all while being discriminated even more harshly because of "privileges" you don't have.

The right to me seems just as willing to discriminate against us as the left, and they at the very least are clearly not interested in taking our side while we are being discriminated against by others.

Most of the right is some mix of and ideas. They are far more individualistic and have no interest in helping people that can't help themselfs.

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We need societal support, we need someone to care and acknowledge the ways in which we are inherently disadvantaged, if we want to improve our situation. The left cares about these things (even if they are dishonest / delusional about the finer details). It looks to me as if most of the right wouldn't care even if we proofed to them how fucked our lifes were doomed to be since birth.

In addition, the right might be open about their distain for us, but they are no closer to reality. The right also denies race differences, most of them were willing to deny sex differences when it comes to women, only the whole trans thing got some of them into active opposition... Pretty sure you can trace back more to leftist doing research and finding things they didn't want to find, than to right wingers doing anything useful, ever.

The left in a sense has to help us if we can proof that we fullfill their standarts for a systemically disadvantaged & marginalized (by them ) minority, while the right to me shows no sign of being willing to help us either way. The right is more open and honest to us in part because they play by rules that allow them to keep ignoring our plight, even if said plight was the result of unfair and unearned female privileges.

 

[turbosperg]

TL;DR: Incels fit the leftist victimhood model perfectly except for being male

This is why the left's answer to the incel problem is to put soy in our diet, PFAS and BPA in our food, and tell us to cut our balls off and trannymaxx.

if you're an incel and you're not actively becoming a tranny, then you're literally Hitler for the left.

Politically, we're best served my Marxism-Rodgerism: shoot simps and seize the means of reproduction.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

This is why the left's answer to the incel problem is to put soy in our diet, PFAS and BPA in our food, and tell us to cut our balls off and trannymaxx.

if you're an incel and you're not actively becoming a tranny, then you're literally Hitler for the left.

Politically, we're best served my Marxism-Rodgerism: shoot simps and seize the means of reproduction.

you can't be "best served" by something with a 0% chance of becoming a reality

 

[turbosperg]

you can't be "best served" by something with a 0% chance of becoming a reality

When China was under Japanese occupation, Maoism had a 0% chance of success as well. What were the odds of 13 cotton-growing colonies defeating the world's biggest naval empire superpower of the 18th century? 0%

We're under feminist occupation right now.

Their rules are simple: cut your balls, wageslave and die.

We're best served by playing outside of their rules. 0% chance of success is good enough.

The sooner we nonsimps understand this fact the sooner foids will be put in their places.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

When China was under Japanese occupation, Maoism had a 0% chance of success as well. What were the odds of 13 cotton-growing colonies defeating the world's biggest naval empire superpower of the 18th century? 0%

We're under feminist occupation right now.

Their rules are simple: cut your balls, wageslave and die.

We're best served by playing outside of their rules. 0% chance of success is good enough.

The sooner we nonsimps understand this fact the sooner foids will be put in their places.

Communism grew on fertile ground when it arrived because of how shit the circumstances of the lower classes were and how envy for those who have more than you do is a human universal. In a sense, when it came to recruiting followers, communism was going with the flow, not trying to push a boulder up a hill.
Maoism also didn't defeat anyone. They intentionally let the Nationalist Party Of China defeat the Japanese for the most part. Leading the NPC's forces to be weakened enough for the communists to take over.

Even if you wanted men to rebel, the first step is to spread the ideas / recruit people. For that, you need to find ways to make your goals seem rational, desirable, marketable, morally justified, etc. Which means you will have to start by playing the political game.

You first have to gain power withing the system, you don't just overpower everyone else because you feel like it. Most men are against us, society as a whole is against us, all these delusions about a violent male uprising are worse than useless, they risk wasting a real chance for us to gain political ground and societal support for shitty isekai-level power fantasies.

 

[JudeoBiden]

I understand how you came to think this, but you are mistaken. The left is fake and gay. Rationalism is fake and gay. I'll explain:

Instead of trying to bootstrap a whole new world religion from the ground up (lol) or forcing blackpill ideology into an existing religion when we have negative infinite political capital, consider copying the left's playbook and preparing incels to become part of their victim hierachy. Infiltrate instead of fighting directly.

The left's tactics of victimhood nonsense don't actually work. They work only with support from the top. They are not obligated to share power with you or include you in their movement. Trying to imitate the left's tactics is the political equivalent of trying to imitate Chad's behavior, and expecting Chad's results.

Secondly, the left is the intellectual side, they at least have to pretend to care about logic and stats, which is displayed in how they excercise power by controlling journalists+academia and push w/e they want through their dominance in those fields into the public consensus as well as law.

No, you're off the rails from the start. They are not the intellectual side, they are the side that pretends to have an intellectual foundation. They maintain a larp that their beliefs are founded in data, but the data is cooked and misinterpreted. This happens everywhere from corporate conference rooms to legislative debates: cooked, massaged, falsified, and deceptively interpreted stats are used to back whatever position the speaker has already made his mind up about using non-rational means.

If you truly believe we have the facts on our side, this at least has potential to be relevant with parts of the left under the right circumstances.

Their feelings don't care about your facts. There is no faster way to lose than to approach the left with facts and receipts LOL

 

[Emba]

Shut up and kill me and take my money!

 

[lifelongkhhv]

No one is even gonna read this till the end, but I still felt the need to type it out, since what I believe on the topic contradicts what most people on here seem to think.

Posted as an reaction to:


The monotheistic Religions are all useless, they can't adapt to a world where science is a primary pillar of power, be it economic, cultural or military. They themselfs are about to become footnotes in history, as technological progress moves so far beyond the miracles they preach that the disconnect becomes impossible to reconcile with their claims to all-importance.

They are by design inflexible. When the world order shifts, religious adherents are stuck with defunct ways of thinking and organizing society and the best they can hope for is to take control over small enclaves, be it mormon communities or entire nations, and force society to remain frozen in a state more amiable to their way of life.

The newest, modern religion is already here. Wokeism is at least a pseudo-religion, much like communism is one.

If you try to get any of the older religions to adapt a new set of creeds, you will have to convince not only their millions of normie believers but more importantly, all the central figures whos power would be threatend by a shift in paradigm. You have nothing to offer when it comes to political power or societal influence and progressives themselfs are already infiltrating / cooperating with religious figure heads to be more accepting of e.g. trans/LGBTQ. The progressives can offer real, meaningful incentives and rewards as well as threaten punishment for defection.

What ever remains of the old religions in the future will be hollowed out husks, progressives having surgically removed anything that directly conflicted with their values.



Instead of trying to bootstrap a whole new world religion from the ground up (lol) or forcing blackpill ideology into an existing religion when we have negative infinite political capital, consider copying the left's playbook and preparing incels to become part of their victim hierachy. Infiltrate instead of fighting directly.

For one, while the left hates men, the right hates losers, so you're no more welcome amongst them than on the left.

Secondly, the left is the intellectual side, they at least have to pretend to care about logic and stats, which is displayed in how they excercise power by controlling journalists+academia and push w/e they want through their dominance in those fields into the public consensus as well as law.

If you truly believe we have the facts on our side, this at least has potential to be relevant with parts of the left under the right circumstances.

Fundamentally, they have a self-image as the saviors of the disadvantaged, marginalized and downtrodden, which is pretty much us in every way imaginable. 'Lookism' is already at least a term in leftists circles. Our real suffering and the abuse we endured is a useful tool when dealing with people who consider themselfs empathetic & selfless do-gooders.


If men's condition as a group becomes bad enough, the left will have to make concessions. The normies are slow as fuck in the head, but this whole insanity is not that old and it has not been in the forefront of politics for that long. I went through the first decade(s) of my life without hearing the word "transsexual" once.

By now, there is some push back being organized amongst the general public. A lot of this shit is not very popular amongst the masses.

So, at least consider preparing for the possbility that at one point, there will be an opportunity to improve our situation by cooperating with the left. A compromise, where they offer some kind of sympathy / societal recources in exchange for not losing the majority of men to their opposition.



An article about the Netherlands, probably already known here:

The Surprising Way the Netherlands Is Helping Its Disabled Have Sex

The Netherlands is known for its social subsidies on everything from education to housing, but it's also subsidizing sex for the disabled. With prostitution legalized in the country, the government is boosting both the domestic sex economy and the…

www.mic.com

The same is being thought about in germany, and the party floating the idea is a leftist one (Die Grünen / The Greens).

Let me put it like this:

-The left already accepts in some countries the right to sex as a human right.

-They are open to support disabled people who can't get any financially and have legalized prostituion.

Once such a thing is put into law, it becomes possible to demand these benefits for yourself, if you can prove yourself similarly disadvantaged.

In many ways, the left is already much closer to an incel-friendly position than any other party or ideology.

Although the American left in paticular is exporting an absurd level of hatred towards men as a group, in a way, the intense aggression they display is potentially useful, because it can help motivate others, both men and family-oriented women, to distance themselfs from the feminist and sex-difference-denying dogmas.

TL;DR: Incels fit the leftist victimhood model perfectly except for being male, meaning they are one step away from becoming elgibile for sympathy and societal support. The left in places already recognizes the right to sex as a human right and has put laws in place that both legalizes prostitution and financially supports those it recognizes as disadvantaged in the partner search.

This seems like a much more promising angle to me than any religious reformation or societal takeover ( lol ).

This is also why I found the whole idea of sex-communism less silly than it sounds. Leftist logic can easily be expanded to inclued 'innate value on the sexual market' as a form of currency/wealth, making room for another dimension of inequality in need of flattening. This is not a big logical leap, despite being a gigantic change in terms of social norms.

Obviously, you would first have to take the concept and make it more politically viable by cutting out the goverment assigned gf part, any part that hinges on violent overthrow or the founding of another nation (again, L o L ), just make it politically correct and focus on the part where the strive for equality&equity is expanded into the sexual dimension through means yet to be established. Once our innate inequality and the severity of its consequences are accepted in the mainstream, there is a basis for us to demand societal support of one kind or another. Having so many autistic, otherwise mentally ill and ethnic members is a big benefit for this. (Having some people inside academia (maybe outside US) would be another grain boon, though I pity the poor souls having to suffer through a life amongst ideological enemies and female / feminist social scientists.)


Instead of all these extreme fantasies, which require you to revolutionize the entire world and which have no real chance of coming to fruition, there are real political opportunities on the horizon.

I think if incels had coordination and were a real interest group, or rather part of an larger interest group including low/mid status males in general, it would be optimal to explore the most promising avenues in parallel. Even if some of them don't work out, it's worth trying out anything that has the slightest chance at success. We're in a rather desperate position. Outside of sexbot research, being accepted by the left and society as a whole as victims of circumstance in need of help is the most promissing path to improving our situation I can see. This would require some political as well as academical effort which I don't see anyone on here performing anytime soon. So maybe just focus on not being a permanent casus belli for the opposition if you could while spreading the ideas amongst anyone willing to hear them.


All the emotional venting through violent 'jokes' (or just unironic calls for large scale genocide) on here are nothing but free ammunition to the people that despise us the most. If we as a group were 'playing to win', this would not be part of it.
"Kick the dog till it bites, then shoot it " is another typical leftist startegy. Fools low on impuls-control will easily be provoked and put down.

Some people on here are extremly aggressive in their self-identification as incels, consider any attempt at integration or cooperation with society at large a form of treason and generally enjoy this as a place to let out some anger and hate as unfiltered as possible.
You can live life that way, maybe it's even better to be motivated by hate and anger rather than being sad and depressed, anger being a more active and energetic state of mind and all, but you can't participate in politics like that. You can't be part of public discourse. You're maximally offensive behavior makes you into a pariah and anyone close to you guilty by association.

Not that I think what's on here is gonna make much of a difference. But there could come a point at which looking presentable and sympathetic might decide if we are granted a place at the political table or stay a public enemy.


If I had a personal friend of mine on this site, I would advise him to post nothing on here he couldn't explain in a court of law. The short satisfaction that comes from expressing your hate and hurt in appropriate terms is not worth the potential risk you expose both yourself as well as the reputational risk you expose incels as a whole to.

'We're already at the bottom as a group?' Well, at some point we might have a chance to climb back up and it would be rather sad if everyone here will first and foremost affect incels as a group by being a political anker, dragging down any chance we might have at realizing our interests.

There is no fairness to this. This same society that preaches equality and even equity for others is somewhere between indifferend and filled with sadistic joy when it comes to the misery and incomparably intense romantic and social isolation unattractive, low status men experience. Reading through these retarded research articles is declaring war on your own mental health. We will not get a fair hearing, people hating us will not engage in good faith and there will most certainly no one honestly trying to steelman our position as part of any discussion. And yet, you can't win if you aren't playing the political game. Or even the academical one.

TL;DR2: In the future our political progress might hinge on successful PR managment. Anyone unwilling or incapable of exercising self-control will be nothing but a burden. The same can be said for people who consider any form of compromise a defeat. Change is achieved in increments, to demand 'everything or nothing, and all of it right now' is usually the same as demanding to be given nothing at all.

PS: Despite arguing against violent rhetoric here, I do think anyone posting something along the lines of 'too long, didn't read' should indeed get the

read everything but I'm too low IQ to discuss

 

[NonNTsubhuman]

OP seems legit braindead or just a gigaaspie.
Comparing inceldom to political ideologys/religion is just plain retarded.
These things affect everyone in society inceldom does not.

Inceldom have always existed, there have always been men who never reproduced and instead were cannonfodder in wars or workslaves.
lets assume bottom 10% of men. Thats us.

the gutter of society which is us will never rise to power or have any influence, we never ever had in the history of mankind. We are just unfortunate Genetic material not made to be passed on. A sad but nessesary part of evolution to work. For something to turn out great some material will fail. Thats it, its not that complicated.

just LDAR man

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Shut up and kill me and take my money!

ok, but not because you told me to!

I understand how you came to think this, but you are mistaken. The left is fake and gay. Rationalism is fake and gay. I'll explain:

The left's tactics of victimhood nonsense don't actually work. They work only with support from the top. They are not obligated to share power with you or include you in their movement. Trying to imitate the left's tactics is the political equivalent of trying to imitate Chad's behavior, and expecting Chad's results.

No, you're off the rails from the start. They are not the intellectual side, they are the side that pretends to have an intellectual foundation. They maintain a larp that their beliefs are founded in data, but the data is cooked and misinterpreted. This happens everywhere from corporate conference rooms to legislative debates: cooked, massaged, falsified, and deceptively interpreted stats are used to back whatever position the speaker has already made his mind up about using non-rational means.

Their feelings don't care about your facts. There is no faster way to lose than to approach the left with facts and receipts LOL

The left is the higher IQ side, especially the mentally ill far left, and they are not pretending to be intellectual, they are the intellectuals. See here for some analysis of the data about IQ.
The most interesting thinkers on the right are former lefties or half-left liberterians.
Even the way their ideology falsifies reality is a chain of overly complex logical fallacies.

Some of the people participating/pushing these things no doubt know what they are doing, but that is not the big mass of everyday lefties populating every academic field.

Most of those are driven by feelings, but these feelings are rooted in mistaken believes about reality. They will resist changing these believes in ways that might make it seem like they are intentionally getting it wrong, but that is just the natural tendency of humans to avoid admitting their own mistake, out of pride in part, but maybe more so out of the same evolutionary incentives that made "sunk-cost fallacy" type thinking a rational/optimal choice.

 

[RandomGuy]

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

OP seems legit braindead or just a gigaaspie.
Comparing inceldom to political ideologys/religion is just plain retarded.
These things affect everyone in society inceldom does not.

Inceldom have always existed, there have always been men who never reproduced and instead were cannonfodder in wars or workslaves.
lets assume bottom 10% of men. Thats us.

the gutter of society which is us will never rise to power or have any influence, we never ever had in the history of mankind. We are just unfortunate Genetic material not made to be passed on. A sad but nessesary part of evolution to work. For something to turn out great some material will fail. Thats it, its not that complicated.

just LDAR man

You have barely interacted with anything i said, have started of with namecalling and then followed up with a bunch of non-sequitors about human history and evolution.

I'm not gonna waste my time trying to convince you. To be open and honest, after reading just these ~ 10 lines from you I hold your opinion in very low regard.

 

[NonNTsubhuman]

You have barely interacted with anything i said, have started of with namecalling and then followed up with a bunch of non-sequitors about human history and evolution.

I'm not gonna waste my time trying to convince you. To be open and honest, after reading just these ~ 10 lines from you I hold your opinion in very low regard.

Im angry because im an incel genetic dead end piece of shit. Ur overthinking this fate way to hard boyo.
Only solution to inceldom is death in one way or another.
There will be a time when coping with thoughts and theorys will seem ridiculous to you and you will face true reality. It obviously havent hit you yet since u still believe there is some "change" that could happens for you to escape this fate.
Its not.

Were all doomed, everyone on this forums fates were sealed when our faulty genetic material combined.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Im angry because im an incel genetic dead end piece of shit. Ur overthinking this fate way to hard boyo.
Only solution to inceldom is death in one way or another.
There will be a time when coping with thoughts and theorys will seem ridiculous to you and you will face true reality. It obviously havent hit you yet since u still believe there is some "change" that could happens for you to escape this fate.
Its not.

Were all doomed, everyone on this forums fates were sealed when our faulty genetic material combined.

You are obvioulsy very emotional about these things. And I can relate to some extent. I can even try to guess what about my opinion in particular is so triggering to you and many others.
I would guess something along the lines of
1.) I'm advocating to work together with the people that hate us and have more or less advocated for us getting ~~tortured / left to suffer
2.) I'm saying there is hope, which is asking anyone who has already accepted their lot to open themselfs up to getting disappointed and hurt one more time

But neither anger nor despair are actually helpful in percieving reality as is. The way things are now is just a few decades old and does not look very stable to me. And in some unemotional (maybe autistic) way I also see no advantage in not trying things out.

Reality is impossibly complex and no one really knows with certainty what can or can't work. We can just make best guesses based on the information we have. I have made the case above and in other places on here why I think we will sooner or later see improvements in how society treats men as a group. I believe there are already first signs indicating that the Zeitgeist is slowly shifting its trajectory.

But even if I'm wrong and my attempts at convincing society at large all go nowhere. What have I lost? Some time I could have spend miserably rotting away? If everything is hopeless anyways, there is no risk in trying things out. The worst that can happen is nothing changes and I remain miserable.

 

[prajeet88]

Stopped reading at the bit that said religion is going away. The world is literally turning Islamic, Catholic, Mennonite, etc. The religious groups that breed like rabbits will take over. Atheism is temporary.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Stopped reading at the bit that said religion is going away. The world is literally turning Islamic, Catholic, Mennonite, etc. The religious groups that breed like rabbits will take over. Atheism is temporary.

Fertility is going down everywhere, including mormon communities, they are just slightly behind the curve. Relying on birthing rates to fix your problem means you don't have to do anything, so I guess it's about as politically active as I would expect the average conservative to be. Just wait for nature to solve it bro, by the time our children's children are born they will outnumber...
who gives a fuck. That far in the future technological progress has either killed us all or changed the rules of the game so much that any considerations made now no longer apply.

I also didn't say that religion is going away, I said the monotheistic Religions of the past are useless in the battle against leftist ideology because they will only remain alive in a form lefties deem tolerable. Obviously I'm betting on the left to win the ideological conflict of our time. That should be pretty clear from the title of the post alone.

The world isn't turning Islamic or catholic, if anything, it is turning protestant, just with a slightly modified, godless version of the religion. Pumping out children doesn't matter if these children are converted by someone else, someone with control over the means of cultural production.

 

[prajeet88]

Fertility is going down everywhere, including mormon communities, they are just slightly behind the curve. Relying on birthing rates to fix your problem means you don't have to do anything, so I guess it's about as politically active as I would expect the average conservative to be. Just wait for nature to solve it bro, by the time our children's children are born they will outnumber...
who gives a fuck. That far in the future technological progress has either killed us all or changed the rules of the game so much that any considerations made now no longer apply.

I also didn't say that religion is going away, I said the monotheistic Religions of the past are useless in the battle against leftist ideology because they will only remain alive in a form lefties deem tolerable. Obviously I'm betting on the left to win the ideological conflict of our time. That should be pretty clear from the title of the post alone.

The world isn't turning Islamic or catholic, if anything, it is turning protestant, just with a slightly modified, godless version of the religion. Pumping out children doesn't matter if these children are converted by someone else, someone with control over the means of cultural production.

I read about 10 words of that paragraph to determine that it's nonsense. You are literally talking shit.

I

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I read about 10 words of that paragraph to determine that it's nonsense. You are literally talking shit.

I

"hey google, what does 'behind the curve' imply?"

also, can you stop being so proud about all the things you aren't reading?

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

interesting thoughts nice to see a high effort, well thought out thread every once in a while

For one, while the left hates men, the right hates losers, so you're no more welcome amongst them than on the left

there is no way to ever bait the leftists into explicitly supporting men. the only male-friendly support they offer is to men who have renounced their masculinity (faggots and trannies) or those who are included by necessity or as part of the great muttification (shitskins). men could easily have been part of the whole 'body positivity' garbage. but we were excluded on purpose.

also you can at least get some 'respect' from the right by moneymaxing

So maybe just focus on not being a permanent casus belli for the opposition if you could while spreading the ideas amongst anyone willing to hear them.

it has been shown time and time again that trying to appease normalfags never works. no matter what we do at best we'll be made fun of and at worst demonized. trying to be the left's cuck for some ethereal possibility of it slightly paying off in the future is a dubious proposition at best

Like, what other plan for a solution am I competing with? Is there anything else on offer? And does that alternative plan actually strictly exclude also trying my strategy in parallel?

looksmaxing and moneymaxing. or ldaring and enjoying your copes instead of being the left's sissy. once you start activism coping you're locked into a battle against the world for life, holding on to your identity as a subhuman seeking normalfag acceptance (he will never get)
in fact neeting is our best weapon against the system. claim as many benefits as you can and drain society so you're comfy while it's rotting away as fast as possible. redpillfags' 3rdworldmax tales also align with this

any chance you're a nigger btw? no blackpilled white incel would think he can ever get anywhere with the left

if you're actually trying to get somewhere with this I recommend dedicating years to writing a high quality series script and going around to see if a hollywood kike will finance it. if you manage to do that then your cause may not be completely doa

They will use extreme cases of charity like, sex for disabled, to spread more degeneracy. Well, who's paying for that whore's payment. It means more taxpayers money on the prostitution business. Being even bigger slaves for the system for a thoroughly drilled hole

word. whores do not solve inceldom. they are good to have around as a negative example and to help some would-be simps' urges that would otherwise be onlyfans whores' paypigs but not on the taxpayer lmao.

once the left has accepted us as unfairly disadvantaged and marginalized, we're now standing inside the tent instead of outside

it is an illusion that the government can or would pay for any of this, the fact that a small, rich, ultra leftist euro country where prostitution is not only legal but seen as legitimate business managed to pass it for the disabled (not men) is not that impactful. even if you won you're standing in the tent with your degen fantasy fulfilled and indebted to the kikes for it, not with young non-roasts provided to impregnate and start a family with. actual progress. idc if a million incels get laid tomorrow on the gubmint, it changes nothing

Offer finanical incentives to couples willing to carry the child of high quality sperm donors and try to normalize such an arrangement

literal state enforced cuckoldry. disgusting no wonder you're so comfortable around fags and trannies that you want to subvert co into joining them

The government only wants you alive if you can keep paying tax so they can print more and give it to themselves and their friends and family. They are not interested in giving incels anything just because you suscribed to good goy ideology and promise to wear a gps-chipped black dildo in your ass.

 

[JudeoBiden]

The left is the higher IQ side, especially the mentally ill far left, and they are not pretending to be intellectual, they are the intellectuals. See here for some analysis of the data about IQ.

Psychopseuds literally falsify data to publish bullshit like signing an honesty pledge will make you not cheat on a test. It's a giant joke, almost as big a joke as you for buying into it. In a leftist-controlled establishment, if you're going to correlate IQ and political leanings, it doesn't matter what the reality is, it had better suggest that leftists are higher-IQ.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

Psychopseuds literally falsify data to publish bullshit like signing an honesty pledge will make you not cheat on a test. It's a giant joke, almost as big a joke as you for buying into it. In a leftist-controlled establishment, if you're going to correlate IQ and political leanings, it doesn't matter what the reality is, it had better suggest that leftists are higher-IQ.

You are more blinded by tribal affiliations than people you look down upon. I have no hope of reasoning with someone who is just going to assume any data he doesn't like must be fake. No wonder that the right is always losing. Absolute certainity mixed with absolute ignorance for optimal results. The person you are accusing of falsifying his analysis for leftist ideologues is a race realist who argues for genetic origins of race differences in IQ, publishing papers on the topic while also working in academia. He has done more damage to progressive hegemony than your kind ever will.

 

[JudeoBiden]

He has done more damage to progressive hegemony than your kind ever will.

Progressivism in early 20th century America invented forced sterilization and tried to genocide blacks with abortion. You accuse me of ignorance, and you don't even know what progressivism is. You praise him for damaging progressivism when he's actually rebuilding it to what it originally was. What an absolute joke.