Blackpill Incels and the Cult of Productivity

[proudweeb]

Was watching this video and it reminded me of all the advice us incels are given. You know, the typical reddit bluepill or alpha redpill "just do x bro" type of shit, such as:

-just get a high paying career, women like men who are ambitions (so they can use you to betabuxx, but will actually hate you)
-just work harder bro, and get that promotion (so big corpa and the government can exploit you for more $)
-just lift at the gym 6x a week bro (lifting does nothing for your height and little for your face)
-just cold approach 2000 women bro (at best you will get 2000 "ew's")
-just work on your social skills for 10 years
-just set 200 goals
-just wake up at 5am
-just read books bro; knowledge is powER
-just go to church and pray for a wife
-other bullshit like "get a hobby", learn "emotional intelligence", dress fancy, etc

All this stuff does is waste your time and burn you out. You could do literally ALL OF THIS SHIT and still not ascend. It's like running on a treadmill, you go faster and faster but actually are going nowhere. It's a work harder, not smarter mentality. If you know that looks and height are the main factors, you know that everything above is pointless. Doing all this shit to "pull" just makes you look like a hamster in a wheel. Boomer and earlier generations had to do literally none of this bullshit just to have a 1% chance of ascending. Society is a fucking joke now

(notice how there are two hamsters in the wheel. This represents all the schlubby hubby normies you will be fervently competing against)

Money I guess is okay if you want to buy some copes but don't burn yourself at work (like I have for years)

This video is more about corporate job bullshit type of self improovment but same idea

It's a sad, sad, reflection on our world that you need fuckin jocko willick motivation just to live a normal life



just meditate brO

 

[Wrath]

they only say all this shit because there aren't actual real solutions to our problems. and they somehow believe this will work.

 

[Solid]

Just useless slop said to funnel more people into their $400 course on how to invest/dropshit plus workout programs. Also useful for creating extra wageslaves too.

 

[aspiecel_11:11]

It's a "fuck off" advice, you can be told to do x and when it doesn't work you can be told you didn't do it long/well enough.

 

[Only_Perspective]

The best incels can actually do is to search for something you're actually interested on and get obsessed with it. Being obsessed with holes and getting all sad because of it, screams of failed normalfag behavior. At the end of the day, most men all they have is just themselves, the sooner you accept it the better.

 

[Stupid Clown]

Never trust these guys who sell books about how to fix your life.

 

[bathlete]

yeah, on top of it being already so difficult to gather yourself in order to conduct with no reference of self-sufficience on the established bullshit that’s just having to survive, the extra taste of mental withdrawal doesn’t make sense to pursue. if you do whatever extra shit it should be because it deserves to be in the presence of your time, energy, investment; seeing an ultimate reason to refine it through personal development, not an “open” or overtly influenced approach (lack of curiosity-reflecting significance and gradual stability) to quantity life management and the metaconsumptive excesses in thereof and not because you don’t have a sore itch for it. you’re blessed if you do anything because you knew you liked it before doing it

 

[NIGGER BOJANGLES]

Back in the day just living your life normally and putting in small effort was enough for all but the ugliest men to have normal social and dating lives. The fact that we even have to think about putting in a ton of effort just to get our basic human needs met is absurd

 

[Autistic Uggo]

It is hilarious how they keep shifting the goalposts. Just buy a nice car, bro. Just buy a big house, bro. Just be rich and own a company, bro. Meanwhile Chad is losing his virginity at 14 in his childhood bedroom. If you couldn't get a girlfriend when you were a penniless teenager, why would you expect to find genuine love as an adult?

Accruing wealth won't make women genuinely attracted to you. They will just covet your material wealth and stability. That's a terrible foundation for a relationship; you will just be cucked or divorceraped. That is the fate of most betabuxxers. If you need money to attract a woman's attention, you are basically an escortcel.

 

[TheHungariancel]

yeah, on top of it being already so difficult to gather yourself in order to conduct with no reference of self-sufficience on the established bullshit that’s just having to survive, the extra taste of mental withdrawal doesn’t make sense to pursue. if you do whatever extra shit it should be because it deserves to be in the presence of your time, energy, investment; seeing an ultimate reason to refine it through personal development, not an “open” or overtly influenced approach (lack of curiosity-reflecting significance and gradual stability) to quantity life management and the metaconsumptive excesses in thereof and not because you don’t have a sore itch for it. you’re blessed if you do anything because you knew you liked it before doing it

Very well written response.

 

[proudweeb]

abusing my admin powers to pin my own thread lol

 

[InMemoriam]

abusing my admin powers to pin my own thread lol

its a high quality thread, you are totally justified

 

[m3nt4Lbl0ck3d]

abusing my admin powers to pin my own thread lol

Based

 

[SilentScream]

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[bimmercel]

Was watching this video and it reminded me of all the advice us incels are given. You know, the typical reddit bluepill or alpha redpill "just do x bro" type of shit, such as:

-just get a high paying career, women like men who are ambitions (so they can use you to betabuxx, but will actually hate you)
-just work harder bro, and get that promotion (so big corpa and the government can exploit you for more $)
-just lift at the gym 6x a week bro (lifting does nothing for your height and little for your face)
-just cold approach 2000 women bro (at best you will get 2000 "ew's")
-just work on your social skills for 10 years
-just set 200 goals
-just wake up at 5am
-just read books bro; knowledge is powER
-just go to church and pray for a wife
-other bullshit like "get a hobby", learn "emotional intelligence", dress fancy, etc

All this stuff does is waste your time and burn you out. You could do literally ALL OF THIS SHIT and still not ascend. It's like running on a treadmill, you go faster and faster but actually are going nowhere. It's a work harder, not smarter mentality. If you know that looks and height are the main factors, you know that everything above is pointless. Doing all this shit to "pull" just makes you look like a hamster in a wheel. Boomer and earlier generations had to do literally none of this bullshit just to have a 1% chance of ascending. Society is a fucking joke now

(notice how there are two hamsters in the wheel. This represents all the schlubby hubby normies you will be fervently competing against)

Money I guess is okay if you want to buy some copes but don't burn yourself at work (like I have for years)

This video is more about corporate job bullshit type of self improovment but same idea

It's a sad, sad, reflection on our world that you need fuckin jocko willick motivation just to live a normal life



just meditate brO

that is the exact same thing I noticed too. No chance I am gonna wake up to see chad with hot JB. The only thing I am gonna do is to eat healrhy and to work out. It is because it gives me a dopamine flash and I can forget this clown world for a moment.

 

[LastGerman]

Never trust these guys who sell books about how to fix your life.

There are many books about that, that tell specifically men what to do, what to fix. But there are almost no books or actually no books at all telling females what to do and what to fix. Only men have to fix themselves or fix something.

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

abusing my admin powers to pin my own thread lol

you should be pinning my threads instead

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

why be productive when I can just ldar and goon

 

[Stupid Clown]

There are many books about that, that tell specifically men what to do, what to fix. But there are almost no books or actually no books at all telling females what to do and what to fix. Only men have to fix themselves or fix something.

Exactly

 

[SmhChan]

Issue is too many men are too productive because none wants to stop pussy chasing. I watched a Roosh V (former pua) video long ago, where he said you have to be ready to walk away from a deal. That was in relation to picking up foids obviously. I had internalized what he said already but it was nice to get that affirmation.

Anyway, the point being, the whole thing is a tug of war. By persevering more you are not adding more value to your existence, rather you are giving your value away for cheap. The only way to make your existence valuable is through your inaction.

If you think about it hard enough, that's exactly foids have done. Despite there being 3.5B+ foids they have all made their pussies more prized than even gold.

 

[proudweeb]

Issue is too many men are too productive because none wants to stop pussy chasing. I watched a Roosh V (former pua) video long ago, where he said you have to be ready to walk away from a deal. That was in relation to picking up foids obviously. I had internalized what he said already but it was nice to get that affirmation.

Anyway, the point being, the whole thing is a tug of war. By persevering more you are not adding more value to your existence, rather you are giving your value away for cheap. The only way to make your existence valuable is through your inaction.

If you think about it hard enough, that's exactly foids have done. Despite there being 3.5B+ foids they have all made their pussies more prized than even gold.

I used to read Roosh V back in 2012 in the PUA days. I was around when he converted to Orthodoxy and whatnot.

Pursuing all these goals like moneymaxxing, cold approaching, etc. is a race to the bottom. There are only so many resources to go around and so many normies trampling over each other to acquire them (see: my hamster avatar lol)

 

[kay']

"I wake up at 4am, i brush my teeth then start my day with a morning run"

 

[CopingForLife]

It gets boring as hell minmaxxing your entire life just to get nothing

 

[Antorian]

Literally all this "advice" they gave can be summed as "just be a better slave, bro"

 

[InMemoriam]

why be productive when I can just ldar and goon

this minus the gooning

 

[Numetalist]

they only say all this shit because there aren't actual real solutions to our problems. and they somehow believe this will work.

Thats the part that kinda stings.

Even for those with other actual mental health issues, not much can actually be done. You just gotta "stick around" and hope you don't gain enough courage to end your life

 

[sadlemon]

I don't find issue with lifemaxxers, sometimes they offer sound advice. The problem is that these advices do not apply to incels. Normies can and have ascended from doing these things, because they pass the required looks threshold, meanwhile, as we do not have the looks required for females or society to deem us worthy. We fail.

Thus, this solution does not apply to us, normies expect us to succeed with these tips because it already worked for many normies. But we are not normies and thus it dosn't work.

 

[based_meme]

they only say all this shit because there aren't actual real solutions to our problems.

Yes, correct.

and they somehow believe this will work.

No, they know damn well that it's all bullshit, but they'll selling you that load of bullshit anyway and telling you it's pumpkin pie.

 

[based_meme]

Never trust these guys who sell books about how to fix your life.

Indeed. The very idea that a book on a shelf in the self-help section of a book store being a universal life problem solver that's going to work for everyone is a fucking joke.

Self-improvement and motivation is an industry, and it needs a continuous influx of losers (or to have the existing losers stay as losers) to keep the cash flowing in.

 

[Just say NIGGER!]

Just work, work, work and self improve for 30 years and you will have the privilege to buxx for an obese single mom
Thankfully I never fell for this scam, by whatever name it goes now.

 

[TheAlmighty]

Tbh it's worth it if you wanna betabuxx. There's also competition in betabuxxing.

 

[TheAlmighty]

"I wake up at 4am, i brush my teeth then start my day with a morning run"

It's a good cope with life (not saying it will land you a pussy). I also try to get up early but my weak ass will never allows me to do so.

 

[kay']

It's a good cope with life (not saying it will land you a pussy). I also try to get up early but my weak ass will never allows me to do so.

I was making fun of those garbage influencers grayman, i can barely get up from bed

 

[LOLI BREEDING]

once you see teen chads get all the prime unused pussy they could ever desire for nothing, the house of cards named soyciety comes crumbling down real quick

Issue is too many men are too productive because none wants to stop pussy chasing. I watched a Roosh V (former pua) video long ago, where he said you have to be ready to walk away from a deal. That was in relation to picking up foids obviously. I had internalized what he said already but it was nice to get that affirmation.

Anyway, the point being, the whole thing is a tug of war. By persevering more you are not adding more value to your existence, rather you are giving your value away for cheap. The only way to make your existence valuable is through your inaction.

If you think about it hard enough, that's exactly foids have done. Despite there being 3.5B+ foids they have all made their pussies more prized than even gold.

that's crazy

 

[LeFrenchCel]

To be rich you have to either:

- come from a richfagmily yourself
- be a foid
- be chad

Otherwise it's over

 

[GeckoBus]

Never trust these guys who sell books about how to fix your life.

thank god for the internet making us able to just download and skim these fucking books for free holy shit
after skimming literally like 200 of them over last few years, i started seeing how they are all the same, probably written by same ghostwriter company too. None of them give you real advice. They just appeal to authority maxx by claiming some shrink wrote or other authority. And then they are full of anecdotes of outliers + platitudes. I think these only work on bluepilled normie males that respond to emotionally charged rags-to-riches stories.

This is every self help book watch, imma just make it up
"IN 1956, BERT ROBERTSON WAS WORKING IN HIS LAB, WHEN HE DISCOVERED SOMETHING ASTONISHING. THE POOP HE PUT IN A FLASK WAS TALKING AND STARTED IDENTIFYING AS "BARRACK OBAMA." THIS WAS THE BEGINING OF NIGGEROLOGY. BERT WOULD GO ON TO BECOME ONE OF THE MOST FOREMOST SCIENTISTS IN HIS FIELD, CREATING MANY MORE FAMOUS NIGGERS, SUCH AS OPRAH, THE ENTIRE FUCKING NBA AND MOST RECENTLY, DAVID GOGGINS"

(this anecdotal shit can go on for 10 pages followed by some platitude like)
"SUMMARY:
- HARD WORK PAYS OFF, BUT ITS NOT EVERYTHING
- FOCUS ON THE LONG-TERM, NOT SHORT TERM
- ITS NOT ABOUT HOW HARD YOU CAN GET HIT AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD

CHAPTER 2
"THE YEAR WAS 2004. SOME GAYLORD DID SOMETHING, KEEP READING, THIS IS TOTALLY RELEVANT AND NOT SOME FLUFF THE AUTHOR ADDED BECAUSE THE JEW YORK TIMES EDITOR SAID THIS POS BETTER BE 500 PAGES OR WE'LL CUT YOUR NUTS OFF GOYIM. THE GOYIM LOOOVE WHEN A BOOK IS BIGGER, MAKES THEM FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING FOR THEIR SHEKELS HEHE"

notice also that every year there is a new self-help bestseller - they literally pre-plan these books years in advance. They get a team of writers, like six of them, and then pretend one person wrote and researched the whole thing. They always appeal to some pop-sciene shit normies love, like evoultionary psychology, neuroscience etc.

SCIENTISTS NOW BELIEVE THAT WOMEN EVOLVED TO LIKE TOUGH MANYL PERSONALITIES CUZ BLA BLA, DR JUDITH JEWGOLDBERGSTEINMANTELSCHMITTCOHEN FROM UNIVERSITY OF UTAH PUTS IT THIS WAY "MONKEYS DID SHIT, EVOLUTION, AH... AND THIS IS WHY YOU ARE A LOOSER AND NEED TO HIT THE GYM, ADIOS AMIGOS"

​

 

[Stupid Clown]

thank god for the internet making us able to just download and skim these fucking books for free holy shit
after skimming literally like 200 of them over last few years, i started seeing how they are all the same, probably written by same ghostwriter company too. None of them give you real advice. They just appeal to authority maxx by claiming some shrink wrote or other authority. And then they are full of anecdotes of outliers + platitudes. I think these only work on bluepilled normie males that respond to emotionally charged rags-to-riches stories.

This is every self help book watch, imma just make it up
"IN 1956, BERT ROBERTSON WAS WORKING IN HIS LAB, WHEN HE DISCOVERED SOMETHING ASTONISHING. THE POOP HE PUT IN A FLASK WAS TALKING AND STARTED IDENTIFYING AS "BARRACK OBAMA." THIS WAS THE BEGINING OF NIGGEROLOGY. BERT WOULD GO ON TO BECOME ONE OF THE MOST FOREMOST SCIENTISTS IN HIS FIELD, CREATING MANY MORE FAMOUS NIGGERS, SUCH AS OPRAH, THE ENTIRE FUCKING NBA AND MOST RECENTLY, DAVID GOGGINS"

(this anecdotal shit can go on for 10 pages followed by some platitude like)
"SUMMARY:
- HARD WORK PAYS OFF, BUT ITS NOT EVERYTHING
- FOCUS ON THE LONG-TERM, NOT SHORT TERM
- ITS NOT ABOUT HOW HARD YOU CAN GET HIT AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD

CHAPTER 2
"THE YEAR WAS 2004. SOME GAYLORD DID SOMETHING, KEEP READING, THIS IS TOTALLY RELEVANT AND NOT SOME FLUFF THE AUTHOR ADDED BECAUSE THE JEW YORK TIMES EDITOR SAID THIS POS BETTER BE 500 PAGES OR WELL CUT YOUR NUTS OFF GOYIM. THE GOYIM LOOOVE WHEN A BOOK IS BIGGER, MAKES THEM FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING FOR THEIR SHEKELS HEHE"

notice also that every year there is a new self-help bestseller - they literally pre-plan these books years in advance. They get a team of writers, like six of them, and then pretend one person wrote and researched the whole thing. They always appeal to some pop-sciene shit normies love, like evoultionary psychology, neuroscience etc.

SCIENTISTS NOW BELIEVE THAT WOMEN EVOLVED TO LIKE TOUGH MANYL PERSONALITIES CUZ BLA BLA, DR JUDITH JEWGOLDBERGSTEINMANTELSCHMITTCOHEN FROM UNIVERSITY OF UTAH PUTS IT THIS WAY "MONKEYS DID SHIT, EVOLUTION, AH... AND THIS IS WHY YOU ARE A LOOSER AND NEED TO HIT THE GYM, ADIOS AMIGOS"

​

That's so fucking accurate lmao.

 

[Stupid Clown]

thank god for the internet making us able to just download and skim these fucking books for free holy shit
after skimming literally like 200 of them over last few years, i started seeing how they are all the same, probably written by same ghostwriter company too. None of them give you real advice. They just appeal to authority maxx by claiming some shrink wrote or other authority. And then they are full of anecdotes of outliers + platitudes. I think these only work on bluepilled normie males that respond to emotionally charged rags-to-riches stories.

This is every self help book watch, imma just make it up
"IN 1956, BERT ROBERTSON WAS WORKING IN HIS LAB, WHEN HE DISCOVERED SOMETHING ASTONISHING. THE POOP HE PUT IN A FLASK WAS TALKING AND STARTED IDENTIFYING AS "BARRACK OBAMA." THIS WAS THE BEGINING OF NIGGEROLOGY. BERT WOULD GO ON TO BECOME ONE OF THE MOST FOREMOST SCIENTISTS IN HIS FIELD, CREATING MANY MORE FAMOUS NIGGERS, SUCH AS OPRAH, THE ENTIRE FUCKING NBA AND MOST RECENTLY, DAVID GOGGINS"

(this anecdotal shit can go on for 10 pages followed by some platitude like)
"SUMMARY:
- HARD WORK PAYS OFF, BUT ITS NOT EVERYTHING
- FOCUS ON THE LONG-TERM, NOT SHORT TERM
- ITS NOT ABOUT HOW HARD YOU CAN GET HIT AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD

CHAPTER 2
"THE YEAR WAS 2004. SOME GAYLORD DID SOMETHING, KEEP READING, THIS IS TOTALLY RELEVANT AND NOT SOME FLUFF THE AUTHOR ADDED BECAUSE THE JEW YORK TIMES EDITOR SAID THIS POS BETTER BE 500 PAGES OR WELL CUT YOUR NUTS OFF GOYIM. THE GOYIM LOOOVE WHEN A BOOK IS BIGGER, MAKES THEM FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING FOR THEIR SHEKELS HEHE"

notice also that every year there is a new self-help bestseller - they literally pre-plan these books years in advance. They get a team of writers, like six of them, and then pretend one person wrote and researched the whole thing. They always appeal to some pop-sciene shit normies love, like evoultionary psychology, neuroscience etc.

SCIENTISTS NOW BELIEVE THAT WOMEN EVOLVED TO LIKE TOUGH MANYL PERSONALITIES CUZ BLA BLA, DR JUDITH JEWGOLDBERGSTEINMANTELSCHMITTCOHEN FROM UNIVERSITY OF UTAH PUTS IT THIS WAY "MONKEYS DID SHIT, EVOLUTION, AH... AND THIS IS WHY YOU ARE A LOOSER AND NEED TO HIT THE GYM, ADIOS AMIGOS"

​

Normies are allergic to actual scientific studies and statistics, but they LOVE pop science where some rando pulls a hypothesis out of his ass with 0 evidence. Sperm retention is probably the best example. "By refraining from masturbating you build up testosterone which allows you to become more masculine and attractive"
Something that's blatantly retarded but normies gobble it up because muh self improvement. Manifestation is probably the best example

 

[GeckoBus]

Normies are allergic to actual scientific studies and statistics, but they LOVE pop science where some rando pulls a hypothesis out of his ass with 0 evidence. Sperm retention is probably the best example. "By refraining from masturbating you build up testosterone which allows you to become more masculine and attractive"
Something that's blatantly retarded but normies gobble it up because muh self improvement. Manifestation is probably the best example

It's also weird because they don't get they are just reading for confirmation bias. The people writing this shit know their audience, so they invent shit like this. They know male sexuality is shamed and men feel guilty for fapping, cuz social indoctrination. So they appeal to that. Nobody would call another biological function like having to eat "an addiction." This is also where porn addiction shit falls apart. Looking at and fucking actual women = fine and not damaging. Looking at images of actual women an fapping = wrong and damaging.

I also love how under nofap logic, jerking off for 5 minutes an having mediocre zero pleasure "orgasm" is somehow more addictive than having actual sex with a woman. This is especially dumb because they make these appeals to dopamine release destroying your brain etc. Nigga, having sex with a real woman would release way more dopamine than fapping ​

But if you fuck 1000 women, you are not addicted, and your brain is somehow not fried. This just shows you, its not about fapping, its about having sex in socially accepted way, which is only with womens permission.

There are a handful of male-specific things they always appeal too through shaming tactics:

- women hate you, you need to be better (almost every man relates to this)
- you have not achieved enough in life (your value/masculinity is contingent upon what you can provide to women)
- your family (read women) needs you
- meritocracy is real, just world fallacy (they need you to believe this apriori, women do not believe this, they always talk about how they are victims of systems and environments, i.e. patriarchy, pretty privilege etc)

"By refraining from masturbating you build up testosterone which allows you to become more masculine and attractive"

This one is interesting - why is every male-improvement method just another version of self-destruct mode? Like, going to gym for years, painful exercising with no pay off. Fighting biological urges until you go insane, and then beating yourself up because you cant stop. It's like someone trying to stop eating an when he finally caves in and has some food, he fucking guilt-trips himself. "Oh if, I could only stop eating forever, everyone would love me" ​

On the other hand, all self-improvement aimed at women is basically the opposite - you go gurl, you are strong, get that bag kween, your ex was a narc you deserve better. All about self-aggrandizement.

 

[Stupid Clown]

It's also weird because they don't get they are just reading for confirmation bias. The people writing this shit know their audience, so they invent shit like this. They know male sexuality is shamed and men feel guilty for fapping, cuz social indoctrination. So they appeal to that. Nobody would call another biological function like having to eat "an addiction." This is also where porn addiction shit falls apart. Looking at and fucking actual women = fine and not damaging. Looking at images of actual women an fapping = wrong and damaging.

I also love how under nofap logic, jerking off for 5 minutes an having mediocre zero pleasure "orgasm" is somehow more addictive than having actual sex with a woman. This is especially dumb because they make these appeals to dopamine release destroying your brain etc. Nigga, having sex with a real woman would release way more dopamine than fapping ​

But if you fuck 1000 women, you are not addicted, and your brain is somehow not fried. This just shows you, its not about fapping, its about having sex in socially accepted way, which is only with womens permission.

There are a handful of male-specific things they always appeal too through shaming tactics:

- women hate you, you need to be better (almost every man relates to this)
- you have not achieved enough in life (your value/masculinity is contingent upon what you can provide to women)
- your family (read women) needs you
- meritocracy is real, just world fallacy (they need you to believe this apriori, women do not believe this, they always talk about how they are victims of systems and environments, i.e. patriarchy, pretty privilege etc)

This one is interesting - why is every male-improvement method just another version of self-destruct mode? Like, going to gym for years, painful exercising with no pay off. Fighting biological urges until you go insane, and then beating yourself up because you cant stop. It's like someone trying to stop eating an when he finally caves in and has some food, he fucking guilt-trips himself. "Oh if, I could only stop eating forever, everyone would love me" ​

On the other hand, all self-improvement aimed at women is basically the opposite - you go gurl, you are strong, get that bag kween, your ex was a narc you deserve better. All about self-aggrandizement.

also love how under nofap logic, jerking off for 5 minutes an having mediocre zero pleasure "orgasm" is somehow more addictive than having actual sex with a woman. This is especially dumb because they make these appeals to dopamine release destroying your brain etc. Nigga, having sex with a real woman would release way more dopamine than fapping

Spot on. They pretend that the hedonic treadmill only applies to men who masturbate. No, it applies to all people (outside of maybe autists) with anything and everything. If you do something repeatedly, eventually the level of dopamine your brain releases in response to it will decrease and your prefrontal cortex will numb. I guarantee if they did this study with a chronic sex haver they'd see decreased levels of dopamine release as well.
Probably even a bigger drop off because as you said physical sex releases more dopamine.

This one is interesting - why is every male-improvement method just another version of self-destruct mode? Like, going to gym for years, painful exercising with no pay off. Fighting biological urges until you go insane, and then beating yourself up because you cant stop. It's like someone trying to stop eating an when he finally caves in and has some food, he fucking guilt-trips himself. "Oh if, I could only stop eating forever, everyone would love me

It's the perfect means of keeping men hooked into paying for your scam courses/books. Give them a ridiculous almost impossible standard to live up to, then whenever they fail you can tell them they didn't try hard enough and they need to go ten years without masturbating and take more cold showers so their testosterone production increases and their face becomes more masculine.

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On the other hand, all self-improvement aimed at women is basically the opposite - you go gurl, you are strong, get that bag kween, your ex was a narc you deserve better. All about self-aggrandizement.

Unfortunately it all comes down to human nature at the end of the day. Men are obsessed with acquiring resources to get women, and selling self help books/videos is one of the easiest gifts and means of obtaining some status and wealth. None of these men are interested in giving valuable information because it would mean more competition. They're all likely laughing at their retarded audience behind the scenes.

 

[Paperman]

Back in the day just living your life normally and putting in small effort was enough for all but the ugliest men to have normal social and dating lives. The fact that we even have to think about putting in a ton of effort just to get our basic human needs met is absurd

Yes, and besides, no one wants to see us do better. Society wants us in our assigned place.

 

[RandomGuy]

View: https://youtu.be/ujQRHUE1HuA?si=EJbz8kzkF2lcx5-8

 

[Adolf Kitler]

I fucking hate these redpill grifters who gaslight gulliable subhumans for money

 

[underballer]

Sisyphus

 

[underballer]

why be productive when I can just ldar and goon

 

[Izayacel]

Back in the day just living your life normally and putting in small effort was enough for all but the ugliest men to have normal social and dating lives. The fact that we even have to think about putting in a ton of effort just to get our basic human needs met is absurd

 

[based_meme]

thank god for the internet making us able to just download and skim these fucking books for free holy shit
after skimming literally like 200 of them over last few years, i started seeing how they are all the same, probably written by same ghostwriter company too. None of them give you real advice. They just appeal to authority maxx by claiming some shrink wrote or other authority. And then they are full of anecdotes of outliers + platitudes. I think these only work on bluepilled normie males that respond to emotionally charged rags-to-riches stories.

This is every self help book watch, imma just make it up
"IN 1956, BERT ROBERTSON WAS WORKING IN HIS LAB, WHEN HE DISCOVERED SOMETHING ASTONISHING. THE POOP HE PUT IN A FLASK WAS TALKING AND STARTED IDENTIFYING AS "BARRACK OBAMA." THIS WAS THE BEGINING OF NIGGEROLOGY. BERT WOULD GO ON TO BECOME ONE OF THE MOST FOREMOST SCIENTISTS IN HIS FIELD, CREATING MANY MORE FAMOUS NIGGERS, SUCH AS OPRAH, THE ENTIRE FUCKING NBA AND MOST RECENTLY, DAVID GOGGINS"

(this anecdotal shit can go on for 10 pages followed by some platitude like)
"SUMMARY:
- HARD WORK PAYS OFF, BUT ITS NOT EVERYTHING
- FOCUS ON THE LONG-TERM, NOT SHORT TERM
- ITS NOT ABOUT HOW HARD YOU CAN GET HIT AND KEEP MOVING FORWARD

CHAPTER 2
"THE YEAR WAS 2004. SOME GAYLORD DID SOMETHING, KEEP READING, THIS IS TOTALLY RELEVANT AND NOT SOME FLUFF THE AUTHOR ADDED BECAUSE THE JEW YORK TIMES EDITOR SAID THIS POS BETTER BE 500 PAGES OR WE'LL CUT YOUR NUTS OFF GOYIM. THE GOYIM LOOOVE WHEN A BOOK IS BIGGER, MAKES THEM FEEL LIKE THEY ARE GETTING SOMETHING FOR THEIR SHEKELS HEHE"

notice also that every year there is a new self-help bestseller - they literally pre-plan these books years in advance. They get a team of writers, like six of them, and then pretend one person wrote and researched the whole thing. They always appeal to some pop-sciene shit normies love, like evoultionary psychology, neuroscience etc.

SCIENTISTS NOW BELIEVE THAT WOMEN EVOLVED TO LIKE TOUGH MANYL PERSONALITIES CUZ BLA BLA, DR JUDITH JEWGOLDBERGSTEINMANTELSCHMITTCOHEN FROM UNIVERSITY OF UTAH PUTS IT THIS WAY "MONKEYS DID SHIT, EVOLUTION, AH... AND THIS IS WHY YOU ARE A LOOSER AND NEED TO HIT THE GYM, ADIOS AMIGOS"

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Normies are allergic to actual scientific studies and statistics, but they LOVE pop science where some rando pulls a hypothesis out of his ass with 0 evidence. Sperm retention is probably the best example. "By refraining from masturbating you build up testosterone which allows you to become more masculine and attractive"
Something that's blatantly retarded but normies gobble it up because muh self improvement. Manifestation is probably the best example

It's also weird because they don't get they are just reading for confirmation bias. The people writing this shit know their audience, so they invent shit like this. They know male sexuality is shamed and men feel guilty for fapping, cuz social indoctrination. So they appeal to that. Nobody would call another biological function like having to eat "an addiction." This is also where porn addiction shit falls apart. Looking at and fucking actual women = fine and not damaging. Looking at images of actual women an fapping = wrong and damaging.

I also love how under nofap logic, jerking off for 5 minutes an having mediocre zero pleasure "orgasm" is somehow more addictive than having actual sex with a woman. This is especially dumb because they make these appeals to dopamine release destroying your brain etc. Nigga, having sex with a real woman would release way more dopamine than fapping ​

But if you fuck 1000 women, you are not addicted, and your brain is somehow not fried. This just shows you, its not about fapping, its about having sex in socially accepted way, which is only with womens permission.

There are a handful of male-specific things they always appeal too through shaming tactics:

- women hate you, you need to be better (almost every man relates to this)
- you have not achieved enough in life (your value/masculinity is contingent upon what you can provide to women)
- your family (read women) needs you
- meritocracy is real, just world fallacy (they need you to believe this apriori, women do not believe this, they always talk about how they are victims of systems and environments, i.e. patriarchy, pretty privilege etc)

This one is interesting - why is every male-improvement method just another version of self-destruct mode? Like, going to gym for years, painful exercising with no pay off. Fighting biological urges until you go insane, and then beating yourself up because you cant stop. It's like someone trying to stop eating an when he finally caves in and has some food, he fucking guilt-trips himself. "Oh if, I could only stop eating forever, everyone would love me" ​

On the other hand, all self-improvement aimed at women is basically the opposite - you go gurl, you are strong, get that bag kween, your ex was a narc you deserve better. All about self-aggrandizement.

Spot on. They pretend that the hedonic treadmill only applies to men who masturbate. No, it applies to all people (outside of maybe autists) with anything and everything. If you do something repeatedly, eventually the level of dopamine your brain releases in response to it will decrease and your prefrontal cortex will numb. I guarantee if they did this study with a chronic sex haver they'd see decreased levels of dopamine release as well.
Probably even a bigger drop off because as you said physical sex releases more dopamine.


It's the perfect means of keeping men hooked into paying for your scam courses/books. Give them a ridiculous almost impossible standard to live up to, then whenever they fail you can tell them they didn't try hard enough and they need to go ten years without masturbating and take more cold showers so their testosterone production increases and their face becomes more masculine.

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Unfortunately it all comes down to human nature at the end of the day. Men are obsessed with acquiring resources to get women, and selling self help books/videos is one of the easiest gifts and means of obtaining some status and wealth. None of these men are interested in giving valuable information because it would mean more competition. They're all likely laughing at their retarded audience behind the scenes.

 

[bathlete]

Very well written response.

shucks (☭ ͜ʖ ☭)