Serious Inceldom and patriotism / nationalism

[Fontaine]

Do you feel that you are part of a national community? Do you wish to support this national community or even sacrifice yourself for it? If so, why? If not, why?

My answer is that I never really believed in the concept of Nation, even back when I believed in white nationalism. I guess that makes me a wandering Jew kek... I don't believe in the possibility of true solidarity between millions of people, and indeed so far such a solidarity has always been greatly artificial, because supported by State coercion.

I actually even find the idea of Nation extremely dangerous, a meat grinder of terrifying proportions... Thinking about all the lives wasted in WW1 and 2 for fictions ("France", "Germany", "Russia") that won't even exist two centuries from now makes me sick. I would die for ideals but never for a country.

 

[EARTH]

I actually even find the idea of Nation extremely dangerous

LOL, of course you do (((Fontaine)))

 

[Deleted member 1042]

I’ve always had an aversion to nationalism/patriotism. I wondered if it was an incel thing, but then I see all these coping subhumans into politics like the alt right.

 

[Kirito3]

LOL, of course you do (((Fontaine)))

 

[Fontaine]

LOL, of course you do ((Fontaine)))

Lol, I am 100% goyim meat... And I actually used to be a WN neo-nazi adept of Savitri Devi, William Pierce, Counter-Currents and all that crap. I used to cry over radio recordings of Hitler in 1945. At some point I think I just grew tired of it. Globalist Jews have won, get over it.

 

[oldcel75]

Yes. I'm an Israeli and right wing Zionist. I Served as a paratrooper in 3 wars and several operations (Gaza, Lebanon, West Bank). I support my national community, because without it we would be exterminated.

 

[The End]

I hate HATE being a part of any group. When people refer to 'incels' as a collective group, it makes me gag!

 

[Opus132]

You fought in wars but you are an incel? How does that work, exactly?

 

[Deleted member 60]

no, but I support cultural segregation. I think race mixing hurts everyone

 

[oldcel75]

You fought in wars but you are an incel? How does that work, exactly?

Why not? fighting will not make me 6'4 chad.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

Do you wish to support this national community or even sacrifice yourself for it? If so, why? If not, why?

No.

It's completely futile, nations aren't an extension of the self. Not only that, but devoting yourself to causes like nationalism just shows nothing you value has any meaning. I feel no loyalty to my nation, nor to my race. What have they done for me?

Lol, I am 100% goyim meat... And I actually used to be a WN neo-nazi adept of Savitri Devi, William Pierce, Counter-Currents and all that crap. I used to cry over radio recordings of Hitler in 1945. At some point I think I just grew tired of it. Globalist Jews have won, get over it.

So did I, it's hilarious to me that I've reached this point.

 

[Albero]

I am very patriotic, but this last generation from the 80s ahead is helping to destroy my nation.

My true last hope is a civil war, my nation is ruined.

 

[Anger]

I would be a nationalist if my country was worth defending

 

[Opus132]

Why not? fighting will not make me 6'4 chad.

I don't know. I just automatically assume you have to have some level of chadness to be a soldier.

 

[PleaseKillMeLoseSkin]

As the Duke of Wellington once said "Gin is the spirit of their patriotism"
as is mine

 

[Fontaine]

Yes. I'm an Israeli and right wing Zionist. I Served as a paratrooper in 3 wars and several operations (Gaza, Lebanon, West Bank). I support my national community, because without it we would be exterminated.

Nice to have some actual (((Jews))) here to give us a respectable image.

Your reason is valid as Jews are particularly hated. However for whites, fears of being killed are unwarranted. At the most I would be ready to pay a low tax each year to finance a European army purely based on atomic power and high technology.

 

[Opus132]

However for whites, fears of being killed are unwarranted.

Wait until whites become a minority in their own countries. See South Africa for reference.

 

[oldcel75]

I don't know. I just automatically assume you have to have some level of chadness to be a soldier.

I wish.

 

[Fontaine]

So did I, it's hilarious to me that I've reached this point.

It's actually normal. People whose life sucks will cling at anything that can give them meaning and a sense of self-importance.

But ultimately, if you are smart enough, you start to see flaws in all political narratives. I now share the view of Yuval Noah Harari: Nations, religions, all these sacred things are merely a figment of our imagination. Terror management theory explains even better why these fictions came into being: to provide a sense of immortality and continuity to mortal men.

 

[Modus Coperandi]

one brother of my grandpa died in a u-boat somewhere in the Atlantic, one brother died somewhere on the way to stalingrad.
another one enrolled with 16 in the last years(not sure) of ww2 and somehow managed to flee from the "front" back to the fatherland bear grylls style (only walking at night, stealing, hiding in forests, etc.). he always said that the worst part of ww2 was not the horror itself, but that afterwards no one cared about the veterans. they were all hated, simply for supporting their country.
... yea, nationalism worked out great for them.

 

[TheNEET]

no, but I support cultural segregation. I think race mixing hurts everyone

^
I don't share the globalist dream of vaguely brown culture-less people inhabiting the whole world
cultures should remain distinct and races/ethnic groups shouldn't mix

nations are not important though: a Czech and a Slovak have more in common than a Russian and a Tatar even through the latter share a country
I understand the historical and political reasons why e. g. a panslavic nation wouldn't work, but countries and nations are purely political - they don't matter in the great scheme of things

 

[Vodaccenu]

I would be a nationalist if my country was worth defending

Just enjoy the decline theory

 

[Weirdcel]

Never had a particular affity for America. Think that's just part of being a first gen immigrant. It's kind of cucky to say "Yeaah
'Murrica!" if you're not white IMO.

 

[Anger]

Never had a particular affity for America. Think that's just part of being a first gen immigrant. It's kind of cucky to say "Yeaah
'Murrica!" if you're not white IMO.

Mexican incel?

 

[Weirdcel]

Mexican incel?

Unfortunately. I don't even speak Spanish so I can't relate to Mexican culture. Country is a dump anyway so i don't like it either.

 

[Deleted member 8353]

But ultimately, if you are smart enough, you start to see flaws in all political narratives. I now share the view of Yuval Noah Harari: Nations, religions, all these sacred things are merely a figment of our imagination. Terror management theory explains even better why these fictions came into being: to provide a sense of immortality and continuity to mortal men.

They're good copes, it's better than feeling bad about your existence. My problem is, the goals of most belief systems seem to be entirely self serving and pointless.

 

[EARTH]

I actually even find the idea of Nation extremely dangerous, a meat grinder of terrifying proportions

I support my national community, because without it we would be exterminated.

Nice to have some actual (((Jews))) here to give us a respectable image.

Your reason is valid as Jews are particularly hated.

So far in this thread: Nationalism is bad (except for Israel)

LOL. Fucking LOL.

Everyone pay attention to this sneaky rat-like behavior by (((@Fontaine)))

 

[Anger]

Unfortunately. I don't even speak Spanish so I can't relate to Mexican culture. Country is a dump anyway so i don't like it either.

Same, there is no point of being proud of a country full of subhuman monkeys, better let that shit sink in or being retaken by european countries

 

[Opus132]

My views on nationalism can be found here:

http://www.frithjof-schuon.com/racism.htm

It is proper to want to defend one's nation and culture but only in so far as both are worth defending. Race is of the spirit before it is of the body. Defending the body alone while the spirit is rotting is sort of pointless, and a nation build on bad values is hardly capable of inspiring one to commit to it's defense.

That said, some cultures and races don't seem to care about any of this. Tribalism seems to run supreme for some groups and it comes to a point where one may have to stand up for their own group out of mere need for survival. I think that is what is fueling a lot of the nascent nationalism among whites, even among people who see the arguments of white nationalism as fundamentally flawed.

 

[Fontaine]

They're good copes, it's better than feeling bad about your existence. My problem is, the goals of most belief systems seem to be entirely self serving and pointless.

I do agree they're good copes. If they weren't, they wouldn't be so popular.

On the other hand, a sufficient study of history and philosophy reveals them as transparent absurdities, and altruism in general as largely hypocritical or self-serving. True altruistic acts are possible but are exceedingly rare. Most normies who think they "contribute to society" actually do so for their own selfish benefit.

 

[Deleted member 6101]

Wouldn't say I'm some radical nationalist, but here's my rationalizations.
I've been to ~20 europeans countries and several more "exotic" destinations, like the US and the russian far east and I've never actually wanted to stay in any of those places, even though most had an objectively better economy and society than my second world shithole.

At the end of the day, after all the memes are expended, the people that live in my country, the surrounding nature, architecture, lifestyle, language, culture, outlooks, humor and even the fucking local brands in the stores is what's familiar to me- it's my world and what molded me into a person, basically. All the daydreams and nostalgia that are holding my sanity together are tied to this place. I fundamentally have more in common with the biggest balkan chad than I do with some foreign incel. In that sense, every attempt at radical change to or attack against the environment is a direct attack on my sense of "self" and I might as well throw my useless life trying to maintain that environment, since its destruction means the destruction of my "self"- both in a psychological and corporeal regard.

 

[Mainländer]

I believe in tribalism. What unites people is blood and common culture/language, more so than land and much more so than some political arrangement.

Look at all the bullshit that existed throughout history "Holy Roman Empire", "Austro-Hungarian Empire", etc. This was all nonsense. Just like modern political divisions are mostly nonsense.

But racial and cultural (culture comes from race to a great extent) divisions are very real and the world would be better if multiracialism and multiculturalism were avoided like the plague.

 

[EARTH]

Wouldn't say I'm some radical nationalist, but here's my rationalizations.
I've been to ~20 europeans countries and several more "exotic" destinations, like the US and the russian far east and I've never actually wanted to stay in any of those places, even though most had an objectively better economy and society than my second world shithole.

At the end of the day, after all the memes are expended, the people that live in my country, the surrounding nature, architecture, lifestyle, language, culture, outlooks, humor and even the fucking local brands in the stores is what's familiar to me- it's my world and what molded me into a person, basically. All the daydreams and nostalgia that are holding my sanity together are tied to this place. I fundamentally have more in common with the biggest balkan chad than I do with some foreign incel. In that sense, every attempt at radical change to or attack against the environment is a direct attack on my sense of "self" and I might as well throw my useless life trying to maintain that environment, since its destruction means the destruction of my "self"- both in a psychological and corporeal regard.

Bulgarian cope.

 

[mutant]

I'd die for an idea

 

[boojies]

I hate my nation and believe patriots would exterminate the government. Groupthink collectivist primitive hive mind nonsense, I have no allegiance to the nation I was born in.

 

[Sparrow's Song]

Incel Americans are the only Americans I would fight a war alongside. Our flag is the only flag that represents MY NATION.

 

[Wettinghose]

Yes. I'm an Israeli and right wing Zionist. I Served as a paratrooper in 3 wars and several operations (Gaza, Lebanon, West Bank). I support my national community, because without it we would be exterminated.

Respect sir. I never understood why women would reject strong men like special forces soldiers and date pretty boys or weak and skinny bums instead and we go incel

 

[Deleted member 5861]

I feel very nationalistic about our Incelistani nation.

 

[Deleted member 1252]

JFL if you care about your “country” which kept you an incel all these years
JFL if you love your “race” which kept you incel all these years
jfl tbh

Yes. I'm an Israeli and right wing Zionist. I Served as a paratrooper in 3 wars and several operations (Gaza, Lebanon, West Bank). I support my national community, because without it we would be exterminated.

Respect, but still, you fought to protect the rights of all those roasties and they don’t even pay you back with sex. Wtf is the point?

 

[SoCalSuifuel]

Lmao at cucks giving respect to a Jew that doesn't even view them as human for being gentiles. No, I'm not a Nationalist and I don't have any patriotism whatsoever, there's no reason to care about a country as disgusting as the United States, and disregarding morality and viewing things through a purely selfish lens, this country has given me no love (literally) as its women have all rejected me. What kind of cuckold would be willing to die or kill for a country full of people who would be happy if he roped?

 

[oldcel75]

JFL if you care about your “country” which kept you an incel all these years
JFL if you love your “race” which kept you incel all these years
jfl tbh


Respect, but still, you fought to protect the rights of all those roasties and they don’t even pay you back with sex. Wtf is the point?

There are not only roasties but some other people that I respect. There is my family and relatives. Also, being in combat unit helps with status and gets networking.
And the main reason: Military gives me the opportunity to kill chads without legal problems.

Lmao at cucks giving respect to a Jew that doesn't even view them as human for being gentiles. No, I'm not a Nationalist and I don't have any patriotism whatsoever, there's no reason to care about a country as disgusting as the United States, and disregarding morality and viewing things through a purely selfish lens, this country has given me no love (literally) as its women have all rejected me. What kind of cuckold would be willing to die or kill for a country full of people who would be happy if he roped?

Only religious fanatic jews see gentiles as subhumans. They are tiny minority.
As for the other part: Is there another way to kill chads without prison?

 

[Opus132]

Only religious fanatic jews see gentiles as subhumans. They are tiny minority.

Right. The rest are just bonafide racists against gentiles.

 

[oldcel75]

Right. The rest are just bonafide racists against gentiles.

I guess you know more than me about the Israeli society, I live here only few decades.

 

[Dungcel]

Patriotism/nationalism is the stupidest thing there is. There's people here from all nationalities and etnithicities yet there is one thing we all coincide in:
We're not superior to anyone.

 

[SUH]

Yes. I'm an Israeli and right wing Zionist. I Served as a paratrooper in 3 wars and several operations (Gaza, Lebanon, West Bank). I support my national community, because without it we would be exterminated.

No you were imperialist subhumans who toppled baathist and communistmovements in the middle east by funding wahhabis and controlling the US. Yourealso now the main reason for degeneracy in the middle eadt by supporting liberal lebanese and kurdish politicians. I hope Iran gasses you.

 

[oldcel75]

No you were imperialist subhumans who toppled baathist and communistmovements in the middle east by funding wahhabis and controlling the US. Yourealso now the main reason for degeneracy in the middle eadt by supporting liberal lebanese and kurdish politicians. I hope Iran gasses you.

We will take the main cities in Russia with us in this case.

 

[Templarcel421]

Siege Kyle!

 

[SUH]

Im a nationalist because islamization, landgrabs from our neighbours,western imperialism and introduction of neoliberalism in nmy country lowered my standard of living.

We will take the main cities in Russia with us in this case.

Still doesnt give israel the right to exist

 

[TrueAlphaMale]

I believe in incelism and anti feminism

 

[Spidey]

Lol, I am 100% goyim meat... And I actually used to be a WN neo-nazi adept of Savitri Devi, William Pierce, Counter-Currents and all that crap. I used to cry over radio recordings of Hitler in 1945. At some point I think I just grew tired of it. Globalist Jews have won, get over it.

lmfao

No you were imperialist subhumans who toppled baathist and communistmovements in the middle east by funding wahhabis and controlling the US. Yourealso now the main reason for degeneracy in the middle eadt by supporting liberal lebanese and kurdish politicians. I hope Iran gasses you.

you know no one cares right, this is the same muh colonialism cope native americans and blacks use