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This is what courtship should look like. No fucking photos. No dating. Just bait them with religious conviction, kindness, and assets. Things you had control over. And you often got full-on marriage from this shit, no ghosting, no friendzones, no cock carousels. Everyone just wanted to settle down.
 
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no ghosting, no friendzones, no cock carousels.
Imagine that. I'd exchange all this technology that only generates cope, weakening comfort and distractions to live in a time like that.
 

This is what courtship should look like. No fucking photos. No dating. Just bait them with religious conviction, kindness, and assets. Things you had control over. And you often got full-on marriage from this shit, no ghosting, no friendzones, no cock carousels. Everyone just wanted to settle down.
We'll never return to that period. Foids have too much power.
 
Imagine that. I'd exchange all this technology that only generates cope, weakening comfort and distractions to live in a time like that.
There were still incels back then.
 
Absolutely, we just suffered in silence.
And were even less understood and had a limited number of indoor copes besides reading or playing board games. Think of how alt-right tradcucks disdainfully treat incels. That's how incels would be treated back then.
What the fuck is up with all the misguided nostalgia on this forum?
I get it tbh the 1800s and early 1900s were a much different time than today aesthetically and culturally but even then chads were on top and women were scornful of weak ugly men.
 
And were even less understood and had a limited number of indoor copes besides reading or playing board games. Think of how alt-right tradcucks disdainfully treat incels. That's how incels would be treated back then.

I get it tbh the 1800s and early 1900s were a much different time than today aesthetically and culturally but even then chads were on top and women were scornful of weak ugly men.
there wasn't this stupid labelling of us as incel. I mean to be fair, it is a bit of our own damn fault for labeling ourselves, but we were hard to pin down as a cultural group. There was a lot of individualistic coping going on. And certainly there weren't SJW mobs "watchdogging" us all day.
 
there wasn't this stupid labelling of us as incel.
People like us were still treated worse than sexhavers only it was more direct.
I mean to be fair, it is a bit of our own damn fault for labeling ourselves, but we were hard to pin down as a cultural group.
No not really. We never labeled ourselves. Before the word incels existed we didn't choose to be socially unwanted and described like that in other ways by people. Don't fall for society's gaslighting.
There was a lot of individualistic coping going on. And certainly there weren't SJW mobs "watchdogging" us all day.
1. people have always had copes
2. incels weren't able to see the forest for the trees and were strongly mislead by people in society that wanted to make them believe that they could "ascend" if they did whatever they said
3. don't let SJW mobs live in your head rent free
 
There were still incels back then.
Absolutely, we just suffered in silence.

What the fuck is up with all the misguided nostalgia on this forum?
absolutely,but they were the very bottom % (hobos and the such)
most people paired off and stayed together for life, instead of risking losing half of your money/assets in a 50/50 coinflip like modern mariage
you are focusing on the bad parts
There are always going to be those that are left behind, its how most species on Earth work.
The "incel phenomena" in these large numbers is born out of modernity.
 
This is what courtship should look like. No fucking photos. No dating. Just bait them with religious conviction, kindness, and assets. Things you had control over. And you often got full-on marriage from this shit, no ghosting, no friendzones, no cock carousels. Everyone just wanted to settle down.
cope they probably just wanted chad when it came to it, unless they were poor and they wanted a betabux

do you think newspapers 100 years from now will say that girls only want chad?
Absolutely, we just suffered in silence.

What the fuck is up with all the misguided nostalgia on this forum?
high iq
 
cope they probably just wanted chad when it came to it, unless they were poor and they wanted a betabux

do you think newspapers 100 years from now will say that girls only want chad?

high iq
I'm not sure about that. Image and virtue signalling wasn't as big a deal back then. It was more about survival, peer pressure, or status enforcing monogamy. Also, there's the fact that your dad (who is probably as ugly as you are), was successful.
 
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absolutely,but they were the very bottom % (hobos and the such)
If you weren't white and you weren't rich you'd be in that segment more likely than anything else. And a lot of people here aren't white or rich so they would still be incel.
most people paired off and stayed together for life, instead of risking losing half of your money/assets in a 50/50 coinflip like modern mariage
There's no coming back from what has been seen.
you are focusing on the bad parts
There are always going to be those that are left behind, its how most species on Earth work.
The "incel phenomena" in these large numbers is born out of modernity.
Incels were still treated badly and socially marginalized. If you were to bring up even a fraction of the issues talked about now like passive aggressive bullying there wouldn't be many people back then that understand what you are talking about and would think you are possessed or in need of being put in an asylum at best.

As bad as people are now there is still way more understanding of mental health, loneliness, conflicted emotions and coping strategies than back then. It's not even close. You know old people that claim bullying doesn't exist unless it's physical and you just need to give a firm handshake and look people in the eye? That's the only advice incels would be dealing with back then and what's more there would be way less self aware incels and they'd buy into the same understanding of things that others around them did.
 

This is what courtship should look like. No fucking photos. No dating. Just bait them with religious conviction, kindness, and assets. Things you had control over. And you often got full-on marriage from this shit, no ghosting, no friendzones, no cock carousels. Everyone just wanted to settle down.
I can relate to this one.

I wish I was born in a more primitive time period tbh
 
If you weren't white and you weren't rich you'd be in that segment more likely than anything else. And a lot of people here aren't white or rich so they would still be incel.
So only white and/or rich people made families?
???
Did we became 7 billion overnight?
By that logic most people on Earth should be white
Most people on Earth are ethnic,so i guess they magically popped into existence.
There's no coming back from what has been seen.
True,not arguing that
Incels were still treated badly and socially marginalized. If you were to bring up even a fraction of the issues talked about now like passive aggressive bullying there wouldn't be many people back then that understand what you are talking about and would think you are possessed or in need of being put in an asylum at best.
Agree, but incels didnt exist as great of numbers as now,becasue people had to PAIR UP TO SURVIVE.
People didnt have phones,internet,cheap travel.90% of people lived and died in small villages,under harsh conditions.
Becky couldnt text chad across town for a quick fuck, either her father or the village would banish her if she whored around
So she didnt have a lot of options and had to PAIR UP.
As bad as people are now there is still way more understanding of mental health, loneliness, conflicted emotions and coping strategies than back then. It's not even close. You know old people that claim bullying doesn't exist unless it's physical and you just need to give a firm handshake and look people in the eye? That's the only advice incels would be dealing with back then and what's more there would be way less self aware incels and they'd buy into the same understanding of things that others around them did.
People werent considering those things because life was harsher back then. They struggled and had to made by without going to the fucking therapist,because they had to worry daily about food and income.
Your reply gives off major victim complex.
 
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So only white and/or rich people made families?
???
No but even men that weren't white or rich didn't have as good luck unless they weren't under the yoke of western culture. And imperialism and western culture was even bigger back then and ethnics were getting cucked @ReconElement @RREEEEEEEEE
Did we became 7 billion overnight?
By that logic most people on Earth should be white
White people stopped having a lot of kids while people in ethnic countries continued to have a lot of kids because living standards didn't develop as quickly to ensure adequate survival of children that were born and arranged marriage meant a lot more men could have kids.
True,not arguing that

Agree, but incels didnt exist as great of numbers as now,becasue people had to PAIR UP TO SURVIVE.
People didnt have phones,internet,cheap travel.90% of people lived and died in small villages,under harsh conditions.
Becky couldnt text chad across town for a quick fuck, either her father or the village would banish her if she whored around
So she didnt have a lot of options and had to PAIR UP.
Have you seen how the woman in an arranged marriage acts? Anyone that is from a culture where arranged marriage was common until recently can tell you. It's not a good dynamic and while semingly stable intimacy and sex is very fleeting and it's all about responsibilities. It's preferable to being an incel but not by much imo. And regardless of the situation women that are forced to pair up with a man can't be assured to not make every moment of that man's life as difficult as possible. Think of all the wives that murdered their husbands when divorce wasn't as easy.
People werent considering those things because life was harsher back then. They struggled and had to made by without going to the fucking therapist,because they had to worry daily about food and income.
Your reply gives off major victim complex.
Things like microaggressions, not being NT, being unable to be physically strong, being withdrawn after repeated negative social experience were not understood or considered real things back then. If you transplanted a lot of people here back to those times with all the conditions they have working against them now (framelet, non NT, history of being bullied) they wouldn't necessarily do any better. The looks standards would be lower for sure but that would mainly benefit people like @BummerDrummer

Imo time periods are cope. Some people here would have been incels in any age.
 
Imo time periods are cope. Some people here would have been incels in any age.
Yes,but the majority wouldnt be,you really misunderstand how low were looks standard due to the lack of social media,etc.
I agree some people would be incel, but far from the numbers these days.
Imo time periods are cope. Some people here would have been incels in any age.
Yes,but the majority wouldnt be,you really misunderstand how low were looks standard due to the lack of social media,etc.
I agree some people would be incel, but far from the numbers these days.
 
Yeah I wear suits all the time. Either I'm a jehova or a freemason
 
No but even men that weren't white or rich didn't have as good luck unless they weren't under the yoke of western culture. And imperialism and western culture was even bigger back then and ethnics were getting cucked @ReconElement @RREEEEEEEEE
Western culture was big but most ethnic commoners and even non industrialized or rural whites up to some extent never even knew what it was at that time except for some Maharajas or Nawabs maybe, now it's on your face, everywhere and people emulate the worst of it cos most clueless people just conflate degeneracy and debauchery as western culture and I don't even think they're wrong about it.
 
There were still incels back then.
Incels exist in both monogamous and in promiscuous/polygamous societies, but there are far more incels in the latter than in the former. Approximately 52% percent of 30-year-old American men have never married, compared to only 4.7-7.3% of 30-year-old Amish men. Unmarried is not the same as incel, but there is obviously a correlation.

In the 19th century, 13-14% of men were still unmarried by age 39, compared to 24% of men today. Even in the 19th century, there were women who had jobs and didn't need men to provide for them. Some of those women ended up delaying marriage indefinitely and pricing themselves out of the market. But the primary reason why some men were incels at the time is because they couldn't afford to get married and provide for a family. Today there is much less poverty, yet a higher percentage of men are celibate. This is because women today are more hypergamous than they were back then when they had fewer rights and were more dependent on men.

There have been times in history were male shortages as a result of war and where virtually every man who could provide for a woman could get one, but these situations were the exception rather than the rule. As long as women have rights and the gender ratio favors men over women, there will always be some men who will be incels. A permanent female surplus can only exist in a hardcore patriachal society where women and girls are property that can be bought, sold, and bred for profit in the same way that animals are bred for profit today. In such a society, the idea of there being "involuntarily celibate" men will sound just as absurd as the idea of there being "involuntary petless" men.

And were even less understood and had a limited number of indoor copes besides reading or playing board games. Think of how alt-right tradcucks disdainfully treat incels. That's how incels would be treated back then.
In the 19th century, there was not so much a "sexual marketplace" as there was a marriage market in which money played a bigger role than attractiveness. Inceldom and poverty overlapped much more strongly than is the case today. There was a lot of disdain towards poor and low-status males, not so much towards incels in particular, and some people were sympathetic towards men who couldn't afford to get married. In today's day and age, single men spend a lot of time competing for and pandering to women in the hope of getting sex or relationships, and are more likely to look at other men as rivals. Back then there were a lot of male-only spaces where lower status males could fraternize with each other. Women had not yet invaded and corrupted every part of public life.

Altright tradcucks are just racists who worship and idealize White women.

The alt-right is a modern movement that isn't really all that traditional. Traditionalists believe in male authority over women and female submission. The alt-right might encourage women to stick to their traditional gender roles, but they have no interest in forcing them to do so. They only expect men to stick to their traditional gender roles as providers. They are perfectly fine with "tradthots" being part of their movement. Some of them reject Christianity because they mistakingly believe White women were held in higher regard when Europe was still pagan.

The gynocentric chauvimism of the Klux Klux Klan, which in its early days had a large female membership, is similar to that of the modern alt-right movement. In the early 20th century, the Klu Klux Klax supported female suffrage to reduce the political power of black men who had been given the right to vote after the Civil War.
 
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Incels exist in both monogamous and in promiscuous/polygamous societies, but there are far more incels in the latter than in the former. Approximately 52% percent of 30-year-old American men have never married, compared to only 4.7-7.3% of 30-year-old Amish men. Unmarried is not the same as incel, but there is obviously a correlation.

In the 19th century, 13-14% of men were still unmarried by age 39, compared to 24% of men today. Even in the 19th century, there were women who had jobs and didn't need men to provide for them. Some of those women ended up delaying marriage indefinitely and pricing themselves out of the market. But the primary reason why some men were incels at the time is because they couldn't afford to get married and provide for a family. Today there is much less poverty, yet a higher percentage of men are celibate. This is because women today are more hypergamous than they were back then when they had fewer rights and were more dependent on men.

There have been times in history were male shortages as a result of war and where virtually every man who could provide for a woman could get one, but these situations were the exception rather than the rule. As long as women have rights and the gender ratio favors men over women, there will always be some men who will be incels. A permanent female surplus can only exist in a hardcore patriachal society where women and girls are property that can be bought, sold, and bred for profit in the same way that animals are bred for profit today. In such a society, the idea of there being "involuntarily celibate" men will sound just as absurd as the idea of there being "involuntary petless" men.


In the 19th century, there was not so much a "sexual marketplace" as there was a marriage market in which money played a bigger role than attractiveness. Inceldom and poverty overlapped much more strongly than is the case today. There was a lot of disdain towards poor and low-status males, not so much towards incels in particular, and some people were sympathetic towards men who couldn't afford to get married. In today's day and age, single men spend a lot of time competing for and pandering to women in the hope of getting sex or relationships, and are more likely to look at other men as rivals. Back then there were a lot of male-only spaces where lower status males could fraternize with each other. Women had not yet invaded and corrupted every part of public life.

Altright tradcucks are just racists who worship and idealize White women.

The alt-right is a modern movement that isn't really all that traditional. Traditionalists believe in male authority over women and female submission. The alt-right might encourage women to stick to their traditional gender roles, but they have no interest in forcing them to do so. They only expect men to stick to their traditional gender roles as providers. They are perfectly fine with "tradthots" being part of their movement. Some of them reject Christianity because they mistakingly believe White women were held in higher regard when Europe was still pagan.

The gynocentric chauvimism of the Klux Klux Klan, which in its early days had a large female membership, is similar to that of the modern alt-right movement. In the early 20th century, the Klu Klux Klax supported female suffrage to reduce the political power of black men who had been given the right to vote after the Civil War.
greycels take note, this is a high IQ post
 
Incels exist in both monogamous and in promiscuous/polygamous societies, but there are far more incels in the latter than in the former. Approximately 52% percent of 30-year-old American men have never married, compared to only 4.7-7.3% of 30-year-old Amish men. Unmarried is not the same as incel, but there is obviously a correlation.
Yeah promiscuous/polygamous societies have higher rates of inceldom than societies where there are social and legal enforcement of monogamy for sure. The remains of social enforcement of monogamy that were still present after the sexual revolution probably went away with advent of online dating and social media (mid 1990s to 2010s) which allowed greater ability for women to cheat whenever and with whom they wanted.
In the 19th century, 13-14% of men were still unmarried by age 39, compared to 24% of men today. Even in the 19th century, there were women who had jobs and didn't need men to provide for them. Some of those women ended up delaying marriage indefinitely and pricing themselves out of the market. But the primary reason why some men were incels at the time is because they couldn't afford to get married and provide for a family. Today there is much less poverty, yet a higher percentage of men are celibate. This is because women today are more hypergamous than they were back then when they had fewer rights and were more dependent on men.
Infact too hypergamy in its original sense was used to refer to the practice of women marrying up to richer men that could provide more for them. It's true that now that women aren't dependent on men for provision and protection (with most of that outsourced to the government welfare, police and orbiters) that looks are more a factor than wealth or status would have been in the past.
There have been times in history were male shortages as a result of war and where virtually every man who could provide for a woman could get one, but these situations were the exception rather than the rule. As long as women have rights and the gender ratio favors men over women, there will always be some men who will be incels. A permanent female surplus can only exist in a hardcore patriachal society where women and girls are property that can be bought, sold, and bred for profit in the same way that animals are bred for profit today. In such a society, the idea of there being "involuntarily celibate" men will sound just as absurd as the idea of there being "involuntary petless" men.
Right. But one close example where women were not completely considered property was where every man had a wife in the system of arranged marriage in Asia. There a lot of the work involved in courting was helped along by parents and the community rather than being an individualist pursuit where the sole onus was on the man but the woman could still decline if the offer from the parents and prospective groom was not good enough. This sytem of courtship might have existed in some lesser form in western countries too.
In the 19th century, there was not so much a "sexual marketplace" as there was a marriage market in which money played a bigger role than attractiveness. Inceldom and poverty overlapped much more strongly than is the case today. There was a lot of disdain towards poor and low-status males, not so much towards incels in particular, and some people were sympathetic towards men who couldn't afford to get married. In today's day and age, single men spend a lot of time competing for and pandering to women in the hope of getting sex or relationships, and are more likely to look at other men as rivals. Back then there were a lot of male-only spaces where lower status males could fraternize with each other. Women had not yet invaded and corrupted every part of public life.
Imo the sexual revolution also made male virginity more stigmatized than before because with the drop in real shaming of slutty and sexual behavior and more people having premarital casual sex than before came a corresponding increase in seeing people that couldn't have sex as defective and immoral in some way.
Altright tradcucks are just racists who worship and idealize White women.

The alt-right is a modern movement that isn't really all that traditional. Traditionalists believe in male authority over women and female submission. The alt-right might encourage women to stick to their traditional gender roles, but they have no interest in forcing them to do so. They only expect men to stick to their traditional gender roles as providers. They are perfectly fine with "tradthots" being part of their movement. Some of them reject Christianity because they mistakingly believe White women were held in higher regard when Europe was still pagan.
Many fascist and racial movements in Europe were infact all centered around white women and children and held disdain toward single males that didn't contribute to society. It's nothing new. Those movements are basically fertility cults that treat men as lesser because of the reprodocutively higher value of women and women's role in birthing the next generation.
The gynocentric chauvimism of the Klux Klux Klan, which in its early days had a large female membership, is similar to that of the modern alt-right movement. In the early 20th century, the Klu Klux Klax supported female suffrage to reduce the political power of black men who had been given the right to vote after the Civil War.
Agreed. Many first wave feminist suffragettes were racists that were angry that black men had gotten the right to vote before white women did
 
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no ghosting, no friendzones, no cock carousels. Everyone just wanted to settle down.
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We were born just a few generations too late...
 
Yes I'm old fashioned. I believe in traditional gender roles and hate a lot of this new technology.

Absolutely, we just suffered in silence.

What the fuck is up with all the misguided nostalgia on this forum?
Sure but I think there was probably less incels back then. Think about it. Most women needed a husband to provide and the life expectancy was lower. Lots more men dying in wars, workplace fatalities, etc.
 

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