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Venting Incel trait: Being afraid of doing things in presence of your parents

TheNEET

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I've seen @anon1822 talk about this a few times. It's so silly, but it cripples me so much. Wall of text incoming, because I've lost my ability to write concisely.

I'm so embarrassed of doing anything when my parents can witness me doing it. And I mean anything. I'm exactly the kind of guy who will start staring at his wallpaper (well, I'm a little bit smarter, I'll usually pull up Facebook or a news site) when his parents enter his room and it's not like I was watching porn or anything, I'll do it when I was just reading an essay for uni or doing my homework or something similarly innocent. Whenever I want to buy something, I'll get it delivered to a pick-up point (idk if it exists in other countries, but here you can order something to a pick-up point which is like a public mailbox (so you don't have to order something to your home) and you have 2 days to pick it up from there) and go there to pick it up when my parents are at work (and I'm not ordering sex toys or anything, 99% of the time I order books or vitamin supplements or cosmetics). I rarely take part in voice chats because I'm too embarrassed about my parents hearing me (I live in a small apartment with paper thin walls so they could if they wanted but why would they care). At some point we were asked to record ourselves saying a few sentences in Hebrew every week for pronunciation analysis for my Hebrew class and I could only do it when my parents were away, but one week their work schedules synchronized in such way that there was always at least one of them home and I was so embarrassed about them possibly hearing me that I recorded it in a public toilet on my way to uni.

You may think "oh, he's just super shy" or "oh, he has strict parents and he's afraid of them", but that extremely far from the truth. Inhibition doesn't exist in my family. My parents often leave erotica novels or condoms in plain sight, my dad often jokes about the Holocaust and communism even though my great grandpa avoided getting executed by commies by firing squad though sheer luck. I wear My Little Pony T-shirts, own some merch and talk about crazy theories or the shit I see online. I've shown them a picture of Aryanne (a Nazi pony original character) plushie next to a photo of Adolf Hitler. They know who Chris-chan or Pamperchu is. Fuck, just a few days ago I showed my dad "Welcome to the cum zone" in Polish with deep-faked Polish prime minister. There's no such thing as taboo in our home.

But here's the catch -- it all makes sense. My parents are narcissistic and want me to be dependent on them. They shunned my independence since forever, they always encouraged me to rely on them. I remember that in childhood they'd get really angry when I suggested I'd like to cook sometimes or clean my room by myself (because I genuinely wanted to be helpful). They guilt tripped me and were saying things like "oh, you hate my cooking? you hate the way I clean? why are you so ungrateful?! ". When I suggested helping them, they'd not only refuse but say that I'm rude because I suggest that they can't do their work by themselves. Eventually I stopped asking and became a good boy who just ldars and never helps his parents (I know how absurd that sounds but it seems that my parents really wanted me to grow up to be a loser who has to depend on them). Now that I think about it, a lot of their behaviors make sense when you take that into account. I had a short period of churchmaxxing -- I was interested in Christianity and also considered that a reasonable way to make friends. My parents DESPISED that so much. When I went to a Bible study group (filled almost solely with boomers) like 3 times, I've been compared to ISIS (well, to be fair, my parents go for Hitler comparisons as their first line of attack, so it's that harsh considering the way they talk in general), because of course talking about Jesus with a bunch of grandmas is the first step in the slippery slope which will lead me to beheading people in Syria. I used to think it was because they're anti-religious atheists (and to some extent it probably played a role; fuck, they call Coca-Cola commercials with Santa Claus "Christian propaganda" :feelshaha:), but I don't think that was the reason: Poland is quite religious, so they're kinda used to religious people, one of my mom's best friends is a really devout Christian (ironically the Bible study group they compared to ISIS recruiters was organized by the church of this mom's friend) and they're ok with me studying religion and I even got them to say that Jesus had some good ideas. I think what angered them was that I made it clear that I wanted to explore Christianity, it was MY decision -- I wasn't brainwashed by someone, I just read about it and decided to check it out. Choosing your own religion is a very independent move and, as I've explained earlier, there's nothing they fear more than me being independent.

So how do I solve this issue? I lie about being influenced by others. I never go "oh, I wanted something and I bought it", it's always "oh, a friend recommended it to me", "oh, Facebook recommended it to me", "oh, I saw it at shop's display and bought it". This way I'm not acting independently, but I'm just lying about being dependent on others and my parents are ok with that. Anything goes as long as I'm not making choices for myself. This leads to a completely absurd situation where I'd feel more comfortable about buying a dildo and saying to my parents "oh, I was brainwashed by a Discord cult leader into becoming a sissy, I'm about to destroy my asshole with it" (well, considering how progressive and sex-positive my parents are, they'd probably be so proud of me for becoming a degenerate tranny :feelspuke:) than about buying a Plato book and saying "oh, I wanted to learn about Greek philosophy and decided to buy some classics". This is some post-modernist nightmare, but I guess that's my life.

Recently I thought about buying a white bunny plushie because it'd be cute because Fluttershy has a white bunny friend (Angel) and I found a cute one, it's also cheap etc. I really want to buy it and I could, but I can't find a way to frame it in such a way that it doesn't sound like my independent decision. It's unlikely that a friend would recommend me a plushie (well, it's even more unlikely for me to have a friend, but they're rolling with this lie) and I can't just randomly see it on shop's display cos we're in covid times and they see that I don't go outside. It's not even that it's a childish item because I asked my parents for My Little Pony comic books for Christmas with no inhibition. It's so absurd, so silly. I can't just buy or do things because I like to, I have to find a way that'd make it seem that I'm a brainless sheeple without independent thought because otherwise I fear about disappointing my parents. What is life even.
 
no lol
normies and chads are always "nice" when their parents are around
 
I've seen @anon1822 talk about this a few times. It's so silly, but it cripples me so much. Wall of text incoming, because I've lost my ability to write concisely.

I'm so embarrassed of doing anything when my parents can witness me doing it. And I mean anything. I'm exactly the kind of guy who will start staring at his wallpaper (well, I'm a little bit smarter, I'll usually pull up Facebook or a news site) when his parents enter his room and it's not like I was watching porn or anything, I'll do it when I was just reading an essay for uni or doing my homework or something similarly innocent. Whenever I want to buy something, I'll get it delivered to a pick-up point (idk if it exists in other countries, but here you can order something to a pick-up point which is like a public mailbox (so you don't have to order something to your home) and you have 2 days to pick it up from there) and go there to pick it up when my parents are at work (and I'm not ordering sex toys or anything, 99% of the time I order books or vitamin supplements or cosmetics). I rarely take part in voice chats because I'm too embarrassed about my parents hearing me (I live in a small apartment with paper thin walls so they could if they wanted but why would they care). At some point we were asked to record ourselves saying a few sentences in Hebrew every week for pronunciation analysis for my Hebrew class and I could only do it when my parents were away, but one week their work schedules synchronized in such way that there was always at least one of them home and I was so embarrassed about them possibly hearing me that I recorded it in a public toilet on my way to uni.

You may think "oh, he's just super shy" or "oh, he has strict parents and he's afraid of them", but that extremely far from the truth. Inhibition doesn't exist in my family. My parents often leave erotica novels or condoms in plain sight, my dad often jokes about the Holocaust and communism even though my great grandpa avoided getting executed by commies by firing squad though sheer luck. I wear My Little Pony T-shirts, own some merch and talk about crazy theories or the shit I see online. I've shown them a picture of Aryanne (a Nazi pony original character) plushie next to a photo of Adolf Hitler. They know who Chris-chan or Pamperchu is. Fuck, just a few days ago I showed my dad "Welcome to the cum zone" in Polish with deep-faked Polish prime minister. There's no such thing as taboo in our home.

But here's the catch -- it all makes sense. My parents are narcissistic and want me to be dependent on them. They shunned my independence since forever, they always encouraged me to rely on them. I remember that in childhood they'd get really angry when I suggested I'd like to cook sometimes or clean my room by myself (because I genuinely wanted to be helpful). They guilt tripped me and were saying things like "oh, you hate my cooking? you hate the way I clean? why are you so ungrateful?! ". When I suggested helping them, they'd not only refuse but say that I'm rude because I suggest that they can't do their work by themselves. Eventually I stopped asking and became a good boy who just ldars and never helps his parents (I know how absurd that sounds but it seems that my parents really wanted me to grow up to be a loser who has to depend on them). Now that I think about it, a lot of their behaviors make sense when you take that into account. I had a short period of churchmaxxing -- I was interested in Christianity and also considered that a reasonable way to make friends. My parents DESPISED that so much. When I went to a Bible study group (filled almost solely with boomers) like 3 times, I've been compared to ISIS (well, to be fair, my parents go for Hitler comparisons as their first line of attack, so it's that harsh considering the way they talk in general), because of course talking about Jesus with a bunch of grandmas is the first step in the slippery slope which will lead me to beheading people in Syria. I used to think it was because they're anti-religious atheists (and to some extent it probably played a role; fuck, they call Coca-Cola commercials with Santa Claus "Christian propaganda" :feelshaha:), but I don't think that was the reason: Poland is quite religious, so they're kinda used to religious people, one of my mom's best friends is a really devout Christian (ironically the Bible study group they compared to ISIS recruiters was organized by the church of this mom's friend) and they're ok with me studying religion and I even got them to say that Jesus had some good ideas. I think what angered them was that I made it clear that I wanted to explore Christianity, it was MY decision -- I wasn't brainwashed by someone, I just read about it and decided to check it out. Choosing your own religion is a very independent move and, as I've explained earlier, there's nothing they fear more than me being independent.

So how do I solve this issue? I lie about being influenced by others. I never go "oh, I wanted something and I bought it", it's always "oh, a friend recommended it to me", "oh, Facebook recommended it to me", "oh, I saw it at shop's display and bought it". This way I'm not acting independently, but I'm just lying about being dependent on others and my parents are ok with that. Anything goes as long as I'm not making choices for myself. This leads to a completely absurd situation where I'd feel more comfortable about buying a dildo and saying to my parents "oh, I was brainwashed by a Discord cult leader into becoming a sissy, I'm about to destroy my asshole with it" (well, considering how progressive and sex-positive my parents are, they'd probably be so proud of me for becoming a degenerate tranny :feelspuke:) than about buying a Plato book and saying "oh, I wanted to learn about Greek philosophy and decided to buy some classics". This is some post-modernist nightmare, but I guess that's my life.

Recently I thought about buying a white bunny plushie because it'd be cute because Fluttershy has a white bunny friend (Angel) and I found a cute one, it's also cheap etc. I really want to buy it and I could, but I can't find a way to frame it in such a way that it doesn't sound like my independent decision. It's unlikely that a friend would recommend me a plushie (well, it's even more unlikely for me to have a friend, but they're rolling with this lie) and I can't just randomly see it on shop's display cos we're in covid times and they see that I don't go outside. It's not even that it's a childish item because I asked my parents for My Little Pony comic books for Christmas with no inhibition. It's so absurd, so silly. I can't just buy or do things because I like to, I have to find a way that'd make it seem that I'm a brainless sheeple without independent thought because otherwise I fear about disappointing my parents. What is life even.
I just want to pass my condolences to you. I can't imagine living like that, pretending to be a sheep just to appease your parents. Sadly you're not alone on this situation. There's a lot of parents out there who don't want to see their kids become independent. Who want to keep their children relying on them even into adulthood. Don't let them do this shit to you. You might be able to pretend now but later down the line it's going to bleed into your being. you're going to be stuck LDARing with your parents monitoring you through your life. You don't want your Helicopter parents to dictate your life.

I'd recommend that you get this fixed ASAP. Don't be a blunt idiot about it, but get the message across. Your parents should be aware of how you feel about this. You should maybe try and understand your parents motivation behind doing this to you, but besides that you should try and set some boundaries between them and you. You should clean your room even if they don't like it, go out and learn something and practice your religion even if they don't like it. Don't let your parents fuck you up.

You're going to be heading down a dark path if you don't. And if they disagree and try to make you codependent, fuck them. If someone isn't willing to give you what you need and what you want then fuck them.
 
Ohh wow, yeah, nobody normal can wrap their head around this.

I've give this example before, but my parents practically BEGGED me to play guitar. I want to play guitar too. I really do. At times I really feel like it would fulfill me and bring me happiness to learn this skill. I have 2 guitars that they bought for me over the years.

BUT, I haven't touched the guitar in so, so, so many years. Why? For some reason I don't want to be heard playing by my parents. Idk why, they'd encourage me and be so, so happy. But I just can't do it.

Another example: you know how in like 1st till 4th grade they make you do these "concerts" at school? Make you recite poetry or dance or some shit and they call the parents to watch. I was the only kid in class that begged my parents NOT to come. Idk why, they were very supportive and nice and very kind parents (alright they have their flaws but in this regard they were great). But I just didn't want them to see me to anything. Didn't give a shit if other people saw me though.

Tbh this applies to everything, I just don't want to be seen doing anything by my parents I guess. Which is very weird cause I love them so much, they and my cat are the reason I don't just fuck off from this country where I'll be a slave making less than $300 a month slaving full-time. Especially since I stopped being an alcoholic ~3 or 4 years ago, we've been tigher and happier than ever and I love them more than ever. And yet still this avoidant autism of mine continues.
 
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You parents practically raised you to become a NEET

JFL, by babysitting you your whole life, they essentially ripped the dignity of becoming an adult.

Normies will never even see you as equal. never began
 
I've seen @anon1822 talk about this a few times. It's so silly, but it cripples me so much. Wall of text incoming, because I've lost my ability to write concisely.

I'm so embarrassed of doing anything when my parents can witness me doing it. And I mean anything. I'm exactly the kind of guy who will start staring at his wallpaper (well, I'm a little bit smarter, I'll usually pull up Facebook or a news site) when his parents enter his room and it's not like I was watching porn or anything, I'll do it when I was just reading an essay for uni or doing my homework or something similarly innocent. Whenever I want to buy something, I'll get it delivered to a pick-up point (idk if it exists in other countries, but here you can order something to a pick-up point which is like a public mailbox (so you don't have to order something to your home) and you have 2 days to pick it up from there) and go there to pick it up when my parents are at work (and I'm not ordering sex toys or anything, 99% of the time I order books or vitamin supplements or cosmetics). I rarely take part in voice chats because I'm too embarrassed about my parents hearing me (I live in a small apartment with paper thin walls so they could if they wanted but why would they care). At some point we were asked to record ourselves saying a few sentences in Hebrew every week for pronunciation analysis for my Hebrew class and I could only do it when my parents were away, but one week their work schedules synchronized in such way that there was always at least one of them home and I was so embarrassed about them possibly hearing me that I recorded it in a public toilet on my way to uni.

You may think "oh, he's just super shy" or "oh, he has strict parents and he's afraid of them", but that extremely far from the truth. Inhibition doesn't exist in my family. My parents often leave erotica novels or condoms in plain sight, my dad often jokes about the Holocaust and communism even though my great grandpa avoided getting executed by commies by firing squad though sheer luck. I wear My Little Pony T-shirts, own some merch and talk about crazy theories or the shit I see online. I've shown them a picture of Aryanne (a Nazi pony original character) plushie next to a photo of Adolf Hitler. They know who Chris-chan or Pamperchu is. Fuck, just a few days ago I showed my dad "Welcome to the cum zone" in Polish with deep-faked Polish prime minister. There's no such thing as taboo in our home.

But here's the catch -- it all makes sense. My parents are narcissistic and want me to be dependent on them. They shunned my independence since forever, they always encouraged me to rely on them. I remember that in childhood they'd get really angry when I suggested I'd like to cook sometimes or clean my room by myself (because I genuinely wanted to be helpful). They guilt tripped me and were saying things like "oh, you hate my cooking? you hate the way I clean? why are you so ungrateful?! ". When I suggested helping them, they'd not only refuse but say that I'm rude because I suggest that they can't do their work by themselves. Eventually I stopped asking and became a good boy who just ldars and never helps his parents (I know how absurd that sounds but it seems that my parents really wanted me to grow up to be a loser who has to depend on them). Now that I think about it, a lot of their behaviors make sense when you take that into account. I had a short period of churchmaxxing -- I was interested in Christianity and also considered that a reasonable way to make friends. My parents DESPISED that so much. When I went to a Bible study group (filled almost solely with boomers) like 3 times, I've been compared to ISIS (well, to be fair, my parents go for Hitler comparisons as their first line of attack, so it's that harsh considering the way they talk in general), because of course talking about Jesus with a bunch of grandmas is the first step in the slippery slope which will lead me to beheading people in Syria. I used to think it was because they're anti-religious atheists (and to some extent it probably played a role; fuck, they call Coca-Cola commercials with Santa Claus "Christian propaganda" :feelshaha:), but I don't think that was the reason: Poland is quite religious, so they're kinda used to religious people, one of my mom's best friends is a really devout Christian (ironically the Bible study group they compared to ISIS recruiters was organized by the church of this mom's friend) and they're ok with me studying religion and I even got them to say that Jesus had some good ideas. I think what angered them was that I made it clear that I wanted to explore Christianity, it was MY decision -- I wasn't brainwashed by someone, I just read about it and decided to check it out. Choosing your own religion is a very independent move and, as I've explained earlier, there's nothing they fear more than me being independent.

So how do I solve this issue? I lie about being influenced by others. I never go "oh, I wanted something and I bought it", it's always "oh, a friend recommended it to me", "oh, Facebook recommended it to me", "oh, I saw it at shop's display and bought it". This way I'm not acting independently, but I'm just lying about being dependent on others and my parents are ok with that. Anything goes as long as I'm not making choices for myself. This leads to a completely absurd situation where I'd feel more comfortable about buying a dildo and saying to my parents "oh, I was brainwashed by a Discord cult leader into becoming a sissy, I'm about to destroy my asshole with it" (well, considering how progressive and sex-positive my parents are, they'd probably be so proud of me for becoming a degenerate tranny :feelspuke:) than about buying a Plato book and saying "oh, I wanted to learn about Greek philosophy and decided to buy some classics". This is some post-modernist nightmare, but I guess that's my life.

Recently I thought about buying a white bunny plushie because it'd be cute because Fluttershy has a white bunny friend (Angel) and I found a cute one, it's also cheap etc. I really want to buy it and I could, but I can't find a way to frame it in such a way that it doesn't sound like my independent decision. It's unlikely that a friend would recommend me a plushie (well, it's even more unlikely for me to have a friend, but they're rolling with this lie) and I can't just randomly see it on shop's display cos we're in covid times and they see that I don't go outside. It's not even that it's a childish item because I asked my parents for My Little Pony comic books for Christmas with no inhibition. It's so absurd, so silly. I can't just buy or do things because I like to, I have to find a way that'd make it seem that I'm a brainless sheeple without independent thought because otherwise I fear about disappointing my parents. What is life even.
Many parents live vicariously through their children tbh
And parents having opposing views to that of their children isn't uncommon.
 
I feel the same. To a lesser degree, but I feel the same.
 
This leads to a completely absurd situation where I'd feel more comfortable about buying a dildo and saying to my parents "oh, I was brainwashed by a Discord cult leader into becoming a sissy, I'm about to destroy my asshole with it"
:feelshmm:

Buy the bunny or I will come to your home and kill you. :feelsknife:
 
You parents practically raised you to become a NEET

JFL, by babysitting you your whole life, they essentially ripped the dignity of becoming an adult.

Normies will never even see you as equal. never began
sums it all up
 
I have had similar experiences too, I never want them to see wat I do. Whether there's intention or not, I feel they wanted to 'disable' me by not teaching or encouraging me to do anything ever - riding a bicycle, taekwondo lessons, music etc, and if I ever joined a club, there was absolutely zero questions asked. If I was failing almost every subject, there was also no questions raised. Sometimes my mum says she 'didnt want to give us more stress' although I tink it's jus a bs excuse to free herself from doing actual parenting.

The only time I truly felt free was when they went on a long holiday and I could do anything I wanted knowing they were absolutely not in my presence.
I'll get it delivered to a pick-up point (idk if it exists in other countries, but here you can order something to a pick-up point which is like a public mailbox (so you don't have to order something to your home) and you have 2 days to pick it up from there) and go there to pick it up
I did this as well.
 
I'm not reading that wall of text but I relate to the title
 
I see the helicopter parents shit all the time out here in the rural!

It's like an (((infection)))!

These kids are gonna perpetuate the "abuse."

It's pathetic they will butcher deer in front of their toddlers but not allow their elder kids to play in their own yard.

The kids are indeed spoiled, but they will never have a chance in the real world due to their shut in mentality!

Similar to what many men here have experienced!

Many of you young fellas are PUSSIFIED CUNTBOIS because of yer mammies fear!

THE ONLY WAY TO CURE YOURSELVES IS TO SEEK HARDSHIP AND DANGER!

LEAN ON YOUR OWN WITS!
 
This relates to me too much. Its bcs of bad parenting that this is happening. Your parents treat you like a child. When my parents see me doing anything they see it as some sort of surprise and not a normal thing I would do. They treat me like a child too and they cut off my wings long ago
 
tbh thats also why ive stopped doing most of the things i used to like doing
-Talking to girls (this was elementary school): "Ooooh our son has a little gf? What's her name?"
-Practicing a musical instrument: "Quiet down! The neighbors are going to complain"
-Doing some exercise: "About time...You are getting fat."
-Watching a new series: "I don't know why you watch that stuff."
-Shaving in the bathroom in the morning: "You going to be in there all day? I need to use the bathroom! (this is just me being there for 5 minutes. always happens)"

I could go on and on but it's just always something when you live with your parents. Constantly always watching your back as well especially when on sites like this. So they don't catch you slippin. It's gotten to at this point whenever they walk into view I just stare at a blank tablet/desktop or if I am playing a game I just push pause and stare at the pause screen. When they ask what I am doing I just reply, "Nothing." They stare at me for a few seconds then walk away. This is the easiest way to deal with them.
 
yes because my faggot parents would always have a problem with every single little thing I do so I just dont do anything anymore except things they already hate so much they don't even want to talk about, like doing drugs
 
I've seen @anon1822 talk about this a few times. It's so silly, but it cripples me so much. Wall of text incoming, because I've lost my ability to write concisely.

I'm so embarrassed of doing anything when my parents can witness me doing it. And I mean anything. I'm exactly the kind of guy who will start staring at his wallpaper (well, I'm a little bit smarter, I'll usually pull up Facebook or a news site) when his parents enter his room and it's not like I was watching porn or anything, I'll do it when I was just reading an essay for uni or doing my homework or something similarly innocent. Whenever I want to buy something, I'll get it delivered to a pick-up point (idk if it exists in other countries, but here you can order something to a pick-up point which is like a public mailbox (so you don't have to order something to your home) and you have 2 days to pick it up from there) and go there to pick it up when my parents are at work (and I'm not ordering sex toys or anything, 99% of the time I order books or vitamin supplements or cosmetics). I rarely take part in voice chats because I'm too embarrassed about my parents hearing me (I live in a small apartment with paper thin walls so they could if they wanted but why would they care). At some point we were asked to record ourselves saying a few sentences in Hebrew every week for pronunciation analysis for my Hebrew class and I could only do it when my parents were away, but one week their work schedules synchronized in such way that there was always at least one of them home and I was so embarrassed about them possibly hearing me that I recorded it in a public toilet on my way to uni.

You may think "oh, he's just super shy" or "oh, he has strict parents and he's afraid of them", but that extremely far from the truth. Inhibition doesn't exist in my family. My parents often leave erotica novels or condoms in plain sight, my dad often jokes about the Holocaust and communism even though my great grandpa avoided getting executed by commies by firing squad though sheer luck. I wear My Little Pony T-shirts, own some merch and talk about crazy theories or the shit I see online. I've shown them a picture of Aryanne (a Nazi pony original character) plushie next to a photo of Adolf Hitler. They know who Chris-chan or Pamperchu is. Fuck, just a few days ago I showed my dad "Welcome to the cum zone" in Polish with deep-faked Polish prime minister. There's no such thing as taboo in our home.

But here's the catch -- it all makes sense. My parents are narcissistic and want me to be dependent on them. They shunned my independence since forever, they always encouraged me to rely on them. I remember that in childhood they'd get really angry when I suggested I'd like to cook sometimes or clean my room by myself (because I genuinely wanted to be helpful). They guilt tripped me and were saying things like "oh, you hate my cooking? you hate the way I clean? why are you so ungrateful?! ". When I suggested helping them, they'd not only refuse but say that I'm rude because I suggest that they can't do their work by themselves. Eventually I stopped asking and became a good boy who just ldars and never helps his parents (I know how absurd that sounds but it seems that my parents really wanted me to grow up to be a loser who has to depend on them). Now that I think about it, a lot of their behaviors make sense when you take that into account. I had a short period of churchmaxxing -- I was interested in Christianity and also considered that a reasonable way to make friends. My parents DESPISED that so much. When I went to a Bible study group (filled almost solely with boomers) like 3 times, I've been compared to ISIS (well, to be fair, my parents go for Hitler comparisons as their first line of attack, so it's that harsh considering the way they talk in general), because of course talking about Jesus with a bunch of grandmas is the first step in the slippery slope which will lead me to beheading people in Syria. I used to think it was because they're anti-religious atheists (and to some extent it probably played a role; fuck, they call Coca-Cola commercials with Santa Claus "Christian propaganda" :feelshaha:), but I don't think that was the reason: Poland is quite religious, so they're kinda used to religious people, one of my mom's best friends is a really devout Christian (ironically the Bible study group they compared to ISIS recruiters was organized by the church of this mom's friend) and they're ok with me studying religion and I even got them to say that Jesus had some good ideas. I think what angered them was that I made it clear that I wanted to explore Christianity, it was MY decision -- I wasn't brainwashed by someone, I just read about it and decided to check it out. Choosing your own religion is a very independent move and, as I've explained earlier, there's nothing they fear more than me being independent.

So how do I solve this issue? I lie about being influenced by others. I never go "oh, I wanted something and I bought it", it's always "oh, a friend recommended it to me", "oh, Facebook recommended it to me", "oh, I saw it at shop's display and bought it". This way I'm not acting independently, but I'm just lying about being dependent on others and my parents are ok with that. Anything goes as long as I'm not making choices for myself. This leads to a completely absurd situation where I'd feel more comfortable about buying a dildo and saying to my parents "oh, I was brainwashed by a Discord cult leader into becoming a sissy, I'm about to destroy my asshole with it" (well, considering how progressive and sex-positive my parents are, they'd probably be so proud of me for becoming a degenerate tranny :feelspuke:) than about buying a Plato book and saying "oh, I wanted to learn about Greek philosophy and decided to buy some classics". This is some post-modernist nightmare, but I guess that's my life.

Recently I thought about buying a white bunny plushie because it'd be cute because Fluttershy has a white bunny friend (Angel) and I found a cute one, it's also cheap etc. I really want to buy it and I could, but I can't find a way to frame it in such a way that it doesn't sound like my independent decision. It's unlikely that a friend would recommend me a plushie (well, it's even more unlikely for me to have a friend, but they're rolling with this lie) and I can't just randomly see it on shop's display cos we're in covid times and they see that I don't go outside. It's not even that it's a childish item because I asked my parents for My Little Pony comic books for Christmas with no inhibition. It's so absurd, so silly. I can't just buy or do things because I like to, I have to find a way that'd make it seem that I'm a brainless sheeple without independent thought because otherwise I fear about disappointing my parents. What is life even.
This is why I come to this forum - because now we get to see how many people have had similar experiences, so thank you.

I've also got parents that infantilise me. They've just been so overprotective ever since they found out I was autistic, so they also want me to be hyperdependent on them. Whenever they went to my room I would put down the tablet/ computer and grab a book to not have them judge me. Thank fuck I went to university and gotten some independence, or I wouldn't have thought about it until I read this. I even started learning about Christianity too, and it's one of the biggest things I've kept from my atheist (one ex-soviet) parents. So you're not alone my friend!

I confess I haven't really found a satisfying solution, but I wish you good luck!
Try and get out if you can, but of course it's probable that there's no other choice.
 
I've seen @anon1822 talk about this a few times. It's so silly, but it cripples me so much. Wall of text incoming, because I've lost my ability to write concisely.

I'm so embarrassed of doing anything when my parents can witness me doing it. And I mean anything. I'm exactly the kind of guy who will start staring at his wallpaper (well, I'm a little bit smarter, I'll usually pull up Facebook or a news site) when his parents enter his room and it's not like I was watching porn or anything, I'll do it when I was just reading an essay for uni or doing my homework or something similarly innocent. Whenever I want to buy something, I'll get it delivered to a pick-up point (idk if it exists in other countries, but here you can order something to a pick-up point which is like a public mailbox (so you don't have to order something to your home) and you have 2 days to pick it up from there) and go there to pick it up when my parents are at work (and I'm not ordering sex toys or anything, 99% of the time I order books or vitamin supplements or cosmetics). I rarely take part in voice chats because I'm too embarrassed about my parents hearing me (I live in a small apartment with paper thin walls so they could if they wanted but why would they care). At some point we were asked to record ourselves saying a few sentences in Hebrew every week for pronunciation analysis for my Hebrew class and I could only do it when my parents were away, but one week their work schedules synchronized in such way that there was always at least one of them home and I was so embarrassed about them possibly hearing me that I recorded it in a public toilet on my way to uni.

You may think "oh, he's just super shy" or "oh, he has strict parents and he's afraid of them", but that extremely far from the truth. Inhibition doesn't exist in my family. My parents often leave erotica novels or condoms in plain sight, my dad often jokes about the Holocaust and communism even though my great grandpa avoided getting executed by commies by firing squad though sheer luck. I wear My Little Pony T-shirts, own some merch and talk about crazy theories or the shit I see online. I've shown them a picture of Aryanne (a Nazi pony original character) plushie next to a photo of Adolf Hitler. They know who Chris-chan or Pamperchu is. Fuck, just a few days ago I showed my dad "Welcome to the cum zone" in Polish with deep-faked Polish prime minister. There's no such thing as taboo in our home.

But here's the catch -- it all makes sense. My parents are narcissistic and want me to be dependent on them. They shunned my independence since forever, they always encouraged me to rely on them. I remember that in childhood they'd get really angry when I suggested I'd like to cook sometimes or clean my room by myself (because I genuinely wanted to be helpful). They guilt tripped me and were saying things like "oh, you hate my cooking? you hate the way I clean? why are you so ungrateful?! ". When I suggested helping them, they'd not only refuse but say that I'm rude because I suggest that they can't do their work by themselves. Eventually I stopped asking and became a good boy who just ldars and never helps his parents (I know how absurd that sounds but it seems that my parents really wanted me to grow up to be a loser who has to depend on them). Now that I think about it, a lot of their behaviors make sense when you take that into account. I had a short period of churchmaxxing -- I was interested in Christianity and also considered that a reasonable way to make friends. My parents DESPISED that so much. When I went to a Bible study group (filled almost solely with boomers) like 3 times, I've been compared to ISIS (well, to be fair, my parents go for Hitler comparisons as their first line of attack, so it's that harsh considering the way they talk in general), because of course talking about Jesus with a bunch of grandmas is the first step in the slippery slope which will lead me to beheading people in Syria. I used to think it was because they're anti-religious atheists (and to some extent it probably played a role; fuck, they call Coca-Cola commercials with Santa Claus "Christian propaganda" :feelshaha:), but I don't think that was the reason: Poland is quite religious, so they're kinda used to religious people, one of my mom's best friends is a really devout Christian (ironically the Bible study group they compared to ISIS recruiters was organized by the church of this mom's friend) and they're ok with me studying religion and I even got them to say that Jesus had some good ideas. I think what angered them was that I made it clear that I wanted to explore Christianity, it was MY decision -- I wasn't brainwashed by someone, I just read about it and decided to check it out. Choosing your own religion is a very independent move and, as I've explained earlier, there's nothing they fear more than me being independent.

So how do I solve this issue? I lie about being influenced by others. I never go "oh, I wanted something and I bought it", it's always "oh, a friend recommended it to me", "oh, Facebook recommended it to me", "oh, I saw it at shop's display and bought it". This way I'm not acting independently, but I'm just lying about being dependent on others and my parents are ok with that. Anything goes as long as I'm not making choices for myself. This leads to a completely absurd situation where I'd feel more comfortable about buying a dildo and saying to my parents "oh, I was brainwashed by a Discord cult leader into becoming a sissy, I'm about to destroy my asshole with it" (well, considering how progressive and sex-positive my parents are, they'd probably be so proud of me for becoming a degenerate tranny :feelspuke:) than about buying a Plato book and saying "oh, I wanted to learn about Greek philosophy and decided to buy some classics". This is some post-modernist nightmare, but I guess that's my life.

Recently I thought about buying a white bunny plushie because it'd be cute because Fluttershy has a white bunny friend (Angel) and I found a cute one, it's also cheap etc. I really want to buy it and I could, but I can't find a way to frame it in such a way that it doesn't sound like my independent decision. It's unlikely that a friend would recommend me a plushie (well, it's even more unlikely for me to have a friend, but they're rolling with this lie) and I can't just randomly see it on shop's display cos we're in covid times and they see that I don't go outside. It's not even that it's a childish item because I asked my parents for My Little Pony comic books for Christmas with no inhibition. It's so absurd, so silly. I can't just buy or do things because I like to, I have to find a way that'd make it seem that I'm a brainless sheeple without independent thought because otherwise I fear about disappointing my parents. What is life even.
Can relate I'm in a really similar situation myself, where I'm dependant on my parents but can't talk to them and have to do everything bahind their backs without their knowledge (even though everything I do is innocent non degenerate and extremely inconsequential)
 
My parents enjoy emotionally abusing me. They made me dependent on them and then try to guilt-trip me on not doing things myself after the fact. For example, they'll cook for me, refuse when I try to cook for them, then complain that I don't cook for them. They enjoy emotional manipulation and guilt-tripping me to try and make me grovel before them. It's learned helplessness and then 180s to emotional blackmail. It's sick and it's why I rarely talk to either of them in my life.
 
I think a lot of what you have is very normal. Some people just want their privacy while others have a more dgaf attitude. I never attend phone calls from friends when my parents are around. I can't even study on my laptop if I know that my family members could see it. Its normal. Maybe the deep underlying psychology behind this has to do with insecurity, guilt and fear of judgement. I guess these traits are more common among introverts.
My parents often leave erotica novels or condoms in plain sight, my dad often jokes about the Holocaust and communism even though my great grandpa avoided getting executed by commies by firing squad though sheer luck. I wear My Little Pony T-shirts, own some merch and talk about crazy theories or the shit I see online. I've shown them a picture of Aryanne (a Nazi pony original character) plushie next to a photo of Adolf Hitler. They know who Chris-chan or Pamperchu is. Fuck, just a few days ago I showed my dad "Welcome to the cum zone" in Polish with deep-faked Polish prime minister. There's no such thing as taboo in our home.
:feelsmega:
God am I thankful my family is a bunch of prudes. My father initially had the habit of talking sex when he got drunk. You know opening up to his adult kids and all that shit. Ugh, made us uncomfortable as fuck. I finally told him to shut the fuck up about it and mind his words. And I am glad they don't try to be "in" with the trends. I believe their generation was much better than ours anyway(in my country) . Much less degeneracy.
I had a short period of churchmaxxing -- I was interested in Christianity and also considered that a reasonable way to make friends. My parents DESPISED that so much. When I went to a Bible study group (filled almost solely with boomers) like 3 times, I've been compared to ISIS (well, to be fair, my parents go for Hitler comparisons as their first line of attack, so it's that harsh considering the way they talk in general), because of course talking about Jesus with a bunch of grandmas is the first step in the slippery slope which will lead me to beheading people in Syria. I used to think it was because they're anti-religious atheists (and to some extent it probably played a role; fuck, they call Coca-Cola commercials with Santa Claus "Christian propaganda" :feelshaha:), but I don't think that was the reason: Poland is quite religious, so they're kinda used to religious people, one of my mom's best friends is a really devout Christian (ironically the Bible study group they compared to ISIS recruiters was organized by the church of this mom's friend) and they're ok with me studying religion and I even got them to say that Jesus had some good ideas. I think what angered them was that I made it clear that I wanted to explore Christianity, it was MY decision -- I wasn't brainwashed by someone, I just read about it and decided to check it out. Choosing your own religion is a very independent move and, as I've explained earlier, there's nothing they fear more than me being independent.
I believe the underlying reason behind not letting you explore christianity is something else. Most likely they can see what christians are like and didn't want you to become like that. Your parents themselves sound like a bunch of liberal athiests who would protest for abortion rights in poland, no wonder they don't want you getting into that shit.

. (well, considering how progressive and sex-positive my parents are, they'd probably be so proud of me for becoming a degenerate tranny :feelspuke:)
Ah, I see the problem.
Recently I thought about buying a white bunny plushie because it'd be cute because Fluttershy has a white bunny friend (Angel) and I found a cute one, it's also cheap etc. I really want to buy it and I could, but I can't find a way to frame it in such a way that it doesn't sound like my independent decision. It's unlikely that a friend would recommend me a plushie (well, it's even more unlikely for me to have a friend, but they're rolling with this lie) and I can't just randomly see it on shop's display cos we're in covid times and they see that I don't go outside. It's not even that it's a childish item because I asked my parents for My Little Pony comic books for Christmas with no inhibition. It's so absurd, so silly. I can't just buy or do things because I like to, I have to find a way that'd make it seem that I'm a brainless sheeple without independent thought because otherwise I fear about disappointing my parents. What is life even.
The best thing you could do right now for your sake is soft rebel against your parents. That would be the healthy thing to do. Stop caring about what they think about your choices. It doesn't fucking matter. Infact you should have been rebelling as a teenager, but uni is not too late either. Or you will have identity issues for the rest of your life. Let me tell you, I made my disagreements known and its much more difficult with parents like mine. Both are a force to reckon with. If your parents are as much of softie liberals as you paint them to be then they would eventually come to terms with who you really are. Maybe all that plushie and mlp stuff got something to do with never growing up under coddling parents.
 
Ohh wow, yeah, nobody normal can wrap their head around this.

I've give this example before, but my parents practically BEGGED me to play guitar. I want to play guitar too. I really do. At times I really feel like it would fulfill me and bring me happiness to learn this skill. I have 2 guitars that they bought for me over the years.

BUT, I haven't touched the guitar in so, so, so many years. Why? For some reason I don't want to be heard playing by my parents. Idk why, they'd encourage me and be so, so happy. But I just can't do it.

Another example: you know how in like 1st till 4th grade they make you do these "concerts" at school? Make you recite poetry or dance or some shit and they call the parents to watch. I was the only kid in class that begged my parents NOT to come. Idk why, they were very supportive and nice and very kind parents (alright they have their flaws but in this regard they were great). But I just didn't want them to see me to anything. Didn't give a shit if other people saw me though.

Tbh this applies to everything, I just don't want to be seen doing anything by my parents I guess. Which is very weird cause I love them so much, they and my cat are the reason I don't just fuck off from this country where I'll be a slave making less than $300 a month slaving full-time. Especially since I stopped being an alcoholic ~3 or 4 years ago, we've been tigher and happier than ever and I love them more than ever. And yet still this avoidant autism of mine continues.
Fam I have this to I thought I was the only one.

Like my parents have no idea what music I listen to and barely know of my interests and I have the same thing OP has when it comes to ordering stuff online.

I have no idea why I have this tho. My parents wouldn't actually care and I wouldn't get in trouble for any of the things

It's so weird I genuinely don't know why I have this.


Oh yeh and OP I relate so much to the VC things.

I rlly wish I could talk to some ppl here but I always have to decline cuz I also live in an apartment with paper thin walls. They'd probably only hear stuff i shouted it or they had their eye right on my wall but I dunno why I'm like this still it's so weird and unexplainable

Oh ye and I have a guitar but I can only play it when I'm home alone for some reason.
 
Fam I have this to I thought I was the only one.

Like my parents have no idea what music I listen to and barely know of my interests and I have the same thing OP has when it comes to ordering stuff online.

I have no idea why I have this tho. My parents wouldn't actually care and I wouldn't get in trouble for any of the things

It's so weird I genuinely don't know why I have this.


Oh yeh and OP I relate so much to the VC things.

I rlly wish I could talk to some ppl here but I always have to decline cuz I also live in an apartment with paper thin walls. They'd probably only hear stuff i shouted it or they had their eye right on my wall but I dunno why I'm like this still it's so weird and unexplainable

Oh ye and I have a guitar but I can only play it when I'm home alone for some reason.
Yep, I'm in the exact same situation, word for word. Don't think I'll ever change, it just makes me so uncomfortable.
 
Mogs me at having parents
 
Recently I thought about buying a white bunny plushie because it'd be cute because Fluttershy has a white bunny friend (Angel) and I found a cute one, it's also cheap etc.
Grow balls and start having manly hobbies. The only shame you feel doing this is not toward your parents but toward yourself. Be the man you deserve to be, not the little boy your parents still see in you.
 
You parents practically raised you to become a NEET

JFL, by babysitting you your whole life, they essentially ripped the dignity of becoming an adult.

Normies will never even see you as equal. never began
literally what happened to me ngl
 

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