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Discussion Incel/Blackpill Meetup Protocols

NoCopeNoHope

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In light of recent events, the idea of possibly meeting up IRL has started to be discussed more. I would like to start a conversation about how we should go about this and who we should target. I would also like for there to be a universal standard for meetups, to minimize normie/IT infiltration.

I would like to begin by briefly touching on the subject of meeting up at all. We, as blackpilled males and particularly as incels, should be doing everything we can to network and communicate IRL. A few reasons for this are as follows.
  1. We have a way of keeping in touch even after .co is either compromised or taken down (similar to 8ch)
  2. We can organize action and activism relating to the blackpill and inceldom
  3. We can network and support each other financially and socially if one of us is targeted by a hate mob.
Now, as far as organizing meetups, I would like to begin by stating that it is foolish to market the meetup as an "incel" meetup. Being an incel, or rather the state of being a sexless male, is a trait that not only us but many of our enemies have. Indeed, sexless soyboys are the main component of our adversary, IT. So it is not wise to market the group as such. Rather, we should refer to the meetup as a "blackpilled" meetup. This will market the meetup differently than simply saying that its an incel meeting. The "blackpilled" moniker is not popular among normies (less chance of infiltration), a more accurate description of the meeting's actual purpose (to network with other blackpilled individuals and discuss possible policies/solutions relating to inceldom), and likely to attract the kind of individuals we want in any potential incel/blackpilled activist group, namely people like us and hardened MGTOWs.

Another advantage to using the blackpilled moniker is that marketing can be more stealthy. For example, instead of having the word incel or an ugly male on the poster/flyer, one could have a simple ":blackpill:" pic or drawing on there instead. Only people familiar with our culture would understand what it means. Subtle clues are better than outright stating that its a sexless male group, which will be prone to trolling and infiltration.

The second part will be the initial contact. Every incel should have a burner phone if he could afford it. If not, download Burner and get a burner number. The flyer/poster should have a number to contact. This number will be a burner number and only active for a certain amount of time (I recommend a week or two in high traffic areas). It should be a text only number, to avoid possible voice identification. The person who answers these texts will then a have brief convo with the contact, and then ask for face and height verification. Face shot should be dead on, no angles and in either daylight or under neutral indoor lighting. Height verification should be done by standing next to an item whose height is known. DO NOT RELY ON WHAT PEOPLE SAY! Alternatively, ask for state issued ID showing face and height only (birthday may be shown upon request). Tell the contact to cover up certain things like address, name and DL number with paper or tape. If you don't trust your own perception of beauty, PM one of the more knowledgeable raters. We need to setup a network on this site on who to PM.

Once the contact has been vetted and assured to not be a foid, tranny, or obvious chad, ask for any incel related accounts online. Have him verify this by sending his username and a short, unedited video of him signing in to his account. Inspect the account and observe its creation date and posts. Only when you feel confident you are dealing with a properly blackpilled incel, can you then give him a time and location.

Two hours before the meeting, the organizer will send out a one time "access code" to the contact's phone number. It doesn't necessarily have to be a code. As an example, I would text one contact to bring a 9 of hearts playing card, another contact to bring a picture of a zebra, and another an actual access code. The first would bring his card, the second a picture of a zebra, the other would bring a piece of paper with the code written down. The text would describe what the organizer was wearing, and the contacts will each approach to the organizer and show their access codes. The meeting will then commence.

The purpose of all of this security is to help weed out infiltrators and possible LE. By making the process so through, it essentially limits the attendees to men like us, brazilliansigma tier soyfags, and federal agents.

I could go over what the meeting itself should be like, but for now I just want to start a discussion on how the meeting will take place, since that is where most of us get hung up.
 
Sounds pretty intense and based
 
Just wear communist shirts and bring communist flags to the meetup, then you can't be criticized :feelsokman: :feelsokman: :feelsokman:
 
Didn't read but I have no problem saying where I live (city wise). If anyones in Texas, I'm fucking down to meet up. I don't see the issue. You come over and I'll meet up. The worst that can happen is you kill me, in which case that's not a bad thing
 
You should’ve made this a pm instead of a post
 
High IQ when stating the "blackpill" meetup thing, if it was just about sexless virgins then literally every single faggot could come in and steal a spot.
 
Every incel should have a burner phone if he could afford it. If not, download Burner and get a burner number. The flyer/poster should have a number to contact. This number will be a burner number and only active for a certain amount of time (I recommend a week or two in high traffic areas). It should be a text only number, to avoid possible voice identification. The person who answers these texts will then a have brief convo with the contact, and then ask for face and height verification. Face shot should be dead on, no angles and in either daylight or under neutral indoor lighting. Height verification should be done by standing next to an item whose height is known. DO NOT RELY ON WHAT PEOPLE SAY! Alternatively, ask for state issued ID showing face and height only (birthday may be shown upon request). Tell the contact to cover up certain things like address, name and DL number with paper or tape. If you don't trust your own perception of beauty, PM one of the more knowledgeable raters. We need to setup a network on this site on who to PM.

Once the contact has been vetted and assured to not be a foid, tranny, or obvious chad, ask for any incel related accounts online. Have him verify this by sending his username and a short, unedited video of him signing in to his account. Inspect the account and observe its creation date and posts. Only when you feel confident you are dealing with a properly blackpilled incel, can you then give him a time and location.

Two hours before the meeting, the organizer will send out a one time "access code" to the contact's phone number. It doesn't necessarily have to be a code. As an example, I would text one contact to bring a 9 of hearts playing card, another contact to bring a picture of a zebra, and another an actual access code. The first would bring his card, the second a picture of a zebra, the other would bring a piece of paper with the code written down. The text would describe what the organizer was wearing, and the contacts will each approach to the organizer and show their access codes. The meeting will then commence.

Autistic AF.

:feelskek: :feelskek: :feelskek:
 
Autistic AF.

:feelskek: :feelskek: :feelskek:
Would you like to get socially killed and your family destroyed by bluepilled society? No? Then you follow these instructions.

Didn't read but I have no problem saying where I live (city wise). If anyones in Texas, I'm fucking down to meet up. I don't see the issue. You come over and I'll meet up. The worst that can happen is you kill me, in which case that's not a bad thing
The worst that can happen is that you and your entire family are made examples of. Our enemies range from the local thot to the FBI. I'm in Texas though, so keep your eyes peeled for flyers.

tl;dr Read the post nigga.
Just wear communist shirts and bring communist flags to the meetup, then you can't be criticized :feelsokman: :feelsokman: :feelsokman:
High IQ. Us being virgins would be expected then.
 
We should have a role call before any incel meetup to make sure no infiltrators who arent on the list get in. We also go to the bathroom in pairs just incase an IT member tries to strike while a member is shitting.
 
didnt read
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We should have a role call before any incel meetup to make sure no infiltrators who arent on the list get in. We also go to the bathroom in pairs just incase an IT member tries to strike while a member is shitting.
A role call for this site's members would be nice, but we still need to verify through the process. This is chads.co after all.
 
The worst that can happen is that you and your entire family are made examples of. Our enemies range from the local thot to the FBI. I'm in Texas though
Yeah. Here it's especially bad. Also epic. It sucks because I'd think out of anywhere in this state I'm in the most hostile to men as a whole and incels in particular. Liberal fucking shithole in a conservative state smh
 
Yeah. Here it's especially bad. Also epic. It sucks because I'd think out of anywhere in this state I'm in the most hostile to men as a whole and incels in particular. Liberal fucking shithole in a conservative state smh
You in Austin? My condolences.
 
You in Austin? My condolences.
yeah. It's literally as bad if not worse than what you think it is. Hobos everywhere, californian self hating whites, the whole 9 yards.
Don't even get me started on how the foid JB's dress :feelstrash:
 
Just be a secret agent bro.

Meetups confer miniscule advantages against the much larger risks that exposing yourself can pose. There are a ton of ways you can support your brocels online without exposure: friendship and emotional support, knowledge and informational resources, money, etc.

We don't need to do any of this cloak and dagger shit. It's not life or death, and for some of us the personal stakes are very high. Imagine somebody getting a picture of you, doxxing you, then getting you fired from your comfy job that provides plenty of copes. Your career is now in ruin, you can't make your house payments or rent, and you now have to severely downgrade your life. You may as well just rope at that point.

Then there are the less direct, but still looming, risks. Government intelligence apparatuses generally have state-preservation mandates that require them to have their ears to the ground and listen to all kinds of chatter in efforts against insurrection (they just label everything anti-state under the umbrella term of terrorism or the potential risk of it). They use nationalistic, brainwashed and blue pilled career pensioners, who think just enough to be useful tools for the state, to spy on all kinds of subgroups and infiltrate them. If there aren't any LE agents lurking or already registered members, I'll chop off a finger. They don't give a single fuck about our plights. All they care about is whether or not we're threats to the state and to the status quo. Organizing meetups is like leaving a very juicy steak on the ground for the guard dog to walk towards. It naturally invites LE infiltrators.

On a more technical side, there are a fuck ton of teenagers and very young adults here. They lack the wisdom and proper discipline to follow through with tight security protocols. Imagine forgetting the correct sign-counter-sign, even though the counter-sign is literally your truecel face (kek). They are prime targets to be utilized by LE also. They're not going to send Billy Beta from support ops to go undercover. They're going to profile somebody from inside the group that they can exploit and leverage to be a source. This is how they operate, and the playbooks are all more or less open-source with slight variations.

tl;dr:
-No meetups.
-Keep it online.
-Never reveal your power level IRL.
 
Would you like to get socially killed and your family destroyed by bluepilled society? No? Then you follow these instructions.


The worst that can happen is that you and your entire family are made examples of. Our enemies range from the local thot to the FBI. I'm in Texas though, so keep your eyes peeled for flyers.


tl;dr Read the post nigga.

High IQ. Us being virgins would be expected then.
LITERALLY DOING NOTHING ILLEGAL WILL "MAKE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AN EXAMPLE" BECAUSE YOU'RE A VIRGIN ON THE INTERNET :feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek::feelskek:
Yup, ameri gonna amer as always.
Just be a secret agent bro.

Meetups confer miniscule advantages against the much larger risks that exposing yourself can pose. There are a ton of ways you can support your brocels online without exposure: friendship and emotional support, knowledge and informational resources, money, etc.

We don't need to do any of this cloak and dagger shit. It's not life or death, and for some of us the personal stakes are very high. Imagine somebody getting a picture of you, doxxing you, then getting you fired from your comfy job that provides plenty of copes. Your career is now in ruin, you can't make your house payments or rent, and you now have to severely downgrade your life. You may as well just rope at that point.

Then there are the less direct, but still looming, risks. Government intelligence apparatuses generally have state-preservation mandates that require them to have their ears to the ground and listen to all kinds of chatter in efforts against insurrection (they just label everything anti-state under the umbrella term of terrorism or the potential risk of it). They use nationalistic, brainwashed and blue pilled career pensioners, who think just enough to be useful tools for the state, to spy on all kinds of subgroups and infiltrate them. If there aren't any LE agents lurking or already registered members, I'll chop off a finger. They don't give a single fuck about our plights. All they care about is whether or not we're threats to the state and to the status quo. Organizing meetups is like leaving a very juicy steak on the ground for the guard dog to walk towards. It naturally invites LE infiltrators.

On a more technical side, there are a fuck ton of teenagers and very young adults here. They lack the wisdom and proper discipline to follow through with tight security protocols. Imagine forgetting the correct sign-counter-sign, even though the counter-sign is literally your truecel face (kek). They are prime targets to be utilized by LE also. They're not going to send Billy Beta from support ops to go undercover. They're going to profile somebody from inside the group that they can exploit and leverage to be a source. This is how they operate, and the playbooks are all more or less open-source with slight variations.

tl;dr:
-No meetups.
-Keep it online.
-Never reveal your power level IRL.
Yeah, you will totally get fired for doing NOTHING ILLEGAL because you attended a meetup for virgins on the internet :feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha:
 
Yeah, you will totally get fired for doing NOTHING ILLEGAL because you attended a meetup for virgins on the internet :feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha::feelshaha:

You're either completely fucking retarded and don't know how the world works, or you've been living under a rock and don't know how people in this cucked society think and react.
 
You're either completely fucking retarded and don't know how the world works, or you've been living under a rock and don't know how people in this cucked society think and react.
Lmao, you're not that important, pussy.
 
I would only assist under a good protocol, and trust about the meeting tbh
 
OP is a glownigger
 
Lmao, you're not that important, pussy.

You don't need to be important to be spied on, you idiot. The NSA literally does it every fucking day through your smart phones and PCs to hundreds of millions of people worldwide, so much so that they have entire server farms housing oceans of data, most of it garbage.

You're not getting the bigger point. You don't need to be an active threat, before you're investigated and spied on. It would be too late by then, and defeat the purpose, Einstein.
OP is a glownigger

Yeah, anybody who supports that kind of thing has a much higher chance of being one.
 
You don't need to be important to be spied on, you idiot. The NSA literally does it every fucking day through your smart phones and PCs to hundreds of millions of people worldwide, so much so that they have entire server farms housing oceans of data, most of it garbage.

You're not getting the bigger point. You don't need to be an active threat, before you're investigated and spied on. It would be too late by then, and defeat the purpose, Einstein.


Yeah, anybody who supports that kind of thing has a much higher chance of being one.
Even if I was a shitskin amer like you, I would never be such a cowardly bitch. You are not gonna get arrested for mere existence.
 
Just be a secret agent bro.

Meetups confer miniscule advantages against the much larger risks that exposing yourself can pose. There are a ton of ways you can support your brocels online without exposure: friendship and emotional support, knowledge and informational resources, money, etc.

We don't need to do any of this cloak and dagger shit. It's not life or death, and for some of us the personal stakes are very high. Imagine somebody getting a picture of you, doxxing you, then getting you fired from your comfy job that provides plenty of copes. Your career is now in ruin, you can't make your house payments or rent, and you now have to severely downgrade your life. You may as well just rope at that point.
Meetups do a lot more than you are giving them credit for. First, read my points. If this site were to be taken down, how could we communicate with other incels? Where would the support group go? Make another short lived sub on reddit? Make another site that will get deplatformed again? The era of free internet is slowly coming to an end. All it takes is one false flag to be blamed on this website for it to be taken down. See my 8chan for an example. As a 8/pol/ user, its deplatforming and censorship destroyed it. And that was purely nongovernmental pressure. Imagine actual warrants issued for every user here. We need alternative communications beyond online spaces.

Second, there is a sense of comradeship that comes with being a part of an IRL organization. Many men here are personally and socially isolated. This is by the system's design. They know that isolated people are more likely to give up hope and rope or submit. Having an IRL place to go to would be lifefuel for many of us, and would also demonstrate that we are not alone, but part of a growing amount of frustrated men. Its harder to take down an IRL group than it is to take down a website.

Then there are the less direct, but still looming, risks. Government intelligence apparatuses generally have state-preservation mandates that require them to have their ears to the ground and listen to all kinds of chatter in efforts against insurrection (they just label everything anti-state under the umbrella term of terrorism or the potential risk of it). They use nationalistic, brainwashed and blue pilled career pensioners, who think just enough to be useful tools for the state, to spy on all kinds of subgroups and infiltrate them. If there aren't any LE agents lurking or already registered members, I'll chop off a finger. They don't give a single fuck about our plights. All they care about is whether or not we're threats to the state and to the status quo. Organizing meetups is like leaving a very juicy steak on the ground for the guard dog to walk towards. It naturally invites LE infiltrators.
A compelling argument, but it is ultimately a panopticon system. They cannot stop everyone, and the system largely relies on us being good little males and self policing/censoring ourselves. Its very unlikely that they would waste massive IRL resources to go undercover to a bunch of internet virgins. Its one thing to have an active member on a forum. Its another to dedicate man hours for local, state, and federal LE to infiltrate a highly secured group of dubious threat. And if they really wanted to get you, they could simply frame you. The average person commits three felonies a day. They don't need a reason to detain you. Just posting on this site is reasonable suspicion.


On a more technical side, there are a fuck ton of teenagers and very young adults here. They lack the wisdom and proper discipline to follow through with tight security protocols. Imagine forgetting the correct sign-counter-sign, even though the counter-sign is literally your truecel face (kek). They are prime targets to be utilized by LE also. They're not going to send Billy Beta from support ops to go undercover. They're going to profile somebody from inside the group that they can exploit and leverage to be a source. This is how they operate, and the playbooks are all more or less open-source with slight variations.
I agree on the youngcels here. This will need to be mitigated on the operational side. Perhaps further discussion is warranted?

LITERALLY DOING NOTHING ILLEGAL WILL "MAKE YOU AND YOUR FAMILY AN EXAMPLE" BECAUSE YOU'RE A VIRGIN ON THE INTERNET
Go outside right now and start calling yourself an incel to everyone you meet. Post vids.

OP is a glownigger
I glow because I post things you don't like.
 
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Go outside right now and start calling yourself an incel to everyone you meet. Post vids.
Going to a meetup =/= deliberately telling people. Also, they either wouldn't care or would just laugh at me.
 
Also, they either wouldn't care or would just laugh at me.
The fact that you aren't actively doing what I told you implies otherwise. You know that you'd be even more socially destroyed than you already are.
Going to a meetup =/= deliberately telling people.
It will when it gets leaked that you went to a "radical misogynist terrorist sex trafficking ring support group". If your name gets linked to your account here or even just to incels in general, you will be singled out.
 
we should wear masks
 
we should wear masks
If it was a somewhat private venue, it would be preferred. Lack of face means no facial recognition for cameras and a uniform look would make mogging other incels harder. Looks would be concealed under gowns and masks, everyone would sit so tallcels wouldn't mog shortcels. But in a public venue, its an obvious no go.
 
Even if I was a shitskin amer like you, I would never be such a cowardly bitch. You are not gonna get arrested for mere existence.

I'm not shitskin nor am I American. I'm done humoring your dumb ass.

Meetups do a lot more than you are giving them credit for. First, read my points. If this site were to be taken down, how could we communicate with other incels? Where would the support group go? Make another short lived sub on reddit? Make another site that will get deplatformed again? The era of free internet is slowly coming to an end. All it takes is one false flag to be blamed on this website for it to be taken down. See my 8chan for an example. As a 8/pol/ user, its deplatforming and censorship destroyed it. And that was purely nongovernmental pressure. Imagine actual warrants issued for every user here. We need alternative communications beyond online spaces.

Your concern is legitimate, but lack of communication or being disconnected from others is a temporary problem. It's hard to argue that live communication is superior, or even preferable, to online. Yes, the support structures are obviously different and have different advantages, but the online space still has immense utility.

This site is fairly recent. If it gets shut down or (((shut down))) due to false flags, glow ops or psy ops, there will be another that takes its place in the incelosphere. I wouldn't worry too much about that.

Second, there is a sense of comradeship that comes with being a part of an IRL organization. Many men here are personally and socially isolated. This is by the system's design. They know that isolated people are more likely to give up hope and rope or submit. Having an IRL place to go to would be lifefuel for many of us, and would also demonstrate that we are not alone, but part of a growing amount of frustrated men. Its harder to take down an IRL group than it is to take down a website.

Why would you want us to organize? Organizations need hierarchies, leaders, logistical and financial resources, and most importantly, a singular defined goal and reason for being. We're all our own leaders. None of us speak for any other. Organizing would do us more harm than good. We're already a disparate group splintered off into multiple camps. Go outside right now into a public space and play a game with yourself: spot the incel. Outside of the obvious like sex (femcels are a meme), race and other truecel/chad traits, you may as well be shooting blind.

Organizing makes it easier to categorize and compartmentalize us, and thus profile us. Organizing only serves to legitimize and simplify LE efforts against us in the propaganda war. Our strength is ironically in our disunity. This is a major reason why global controllers and many governments hate the internet so much.

Look at 4chan, for a great example. It was so influential that normies and trannies eventually invaded and turned it into a cucked cess pool of degeneracy and normiedom. What was it at the core? It was a bunch of spergs and autists posting memes, stories and the occasional niggerfaggot.

Though, I will grant that isolation increases the probability of hopelessness and suicide. And yes, it's by design to limit the possibility of insurrection/domestic terrorism/anti-state activity, and it makes the LE agencies' jobs easier. But we're not truly isolated. We're here and we know that there are numerous people in similar predicaments. Like I said, if this site goes down, another will very soon take its place.

A compelling argument, but it is ultimately a panopticon system. They cannot stop everyone, and the system largely relies on us being good little males and self policing/censoring ourselves. Its very unlikely that they would waste massive IRL resources to go undercover to a bunch of internet virgins. Its one thing to have an active member on a forum. Its another to dedicate man hours for local, state, and federal LE to infiltrate a highly secured group of dubious threat. And if they really wanted to get you, they could simply frame you. The average person commits three felonies a day. They don't need a reason to detain you. Just posting on this site is reasonable suspicion.

If the Orwellian activities were supplemented by draconian, national socialist style enforcement policies, then, and only then, would I argue in favor of IRL organization as necessary.

I agree on the youngcels here. This will need to be mitigated on the operational side. Perhaps further discussion is warranted?

Discussion on what, exactly?
 
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doubt i will ever be able to go to a meetup
 
Glowniggers are already up in this bitch.

I think you may overestimate them and mistake incompetence with malice. They are not that smart. They are largely dimwits and midwits who are useful idiots of the state. They are the same normies who can not comprehend us and tell us to just shower and personalitymaxx and looks aren’t that important.

because they cannot understand us, their actions are based on misguided attempts at reintegrating us back into society to preserve the status quo. They are trying to manage a society that is already in terminal decline by neutralizing targets that may be enemies of the state. What they cannot comprehend is the mindset of loser males with nothing to lose. this is demonstrated by the fact that the glowniggers are unable to achieve political objectives in the Middle East which is filled to the brim with martyrs. No amount of co-intel will win them the war.
 
Glowniggers are already up in this bitch.

I have my suspicions, but I'm not pointing any fingers yet.

What they cannot comprehend is the mindset of loser males with nothing to lose. this is demonstrated by the fact that the glowniggers are unable to achieve political objectives in the Middle East which is filled to the brim with martyrs. No amount of co-intel will win them the war.

High IQ.
 
It’s Over for SecretAgentcels
:feelstrash:
 
Your concern is legitimate, but lack of communication or being disconnected from others is a temporary problem. It's hard to argue that live communication is superior, or even preferable, to online. Yes, the support structures are obviously different and have different advantages, but the online space still has immense utility.
I'm not arguing in favor of getting rid of online spaces. I'm arguing in favor of establishing a limited IRL network complete with security protocols to provide benefits and strengths that online spaces cannot provide.
This site is fairly recent. If it gets shut down or (((shut down))) due to false flags, glow ops or psy ops, there will be another that takes its place in the incelosphere. I wouldn't worry too much about that.
This is simply endless running and hiding. Whack-a-mole style internet hide and seek isn't going to work much longer as more and more censorship and internet centralization gets pushed through. And I understand that there will always be an internet site to fall back to, whether on clearnet, the darknet, or zeronet, i2p, etc. My point is that every time you get whacked, you lose users and have to rebuild the userbase. This cycle takes a few years, and is essentially a constant state of internet guerrilla warfare, with the guerrillas slowly losing ground each time. Nothing is permanent in this state. There is no steady rock to build a society or movement on. Just endless running until we collapse of tiredness in our late 30s and 40s.
Why would you want us to organize? Organizations need hierarchies, leaders, logistical and financial resources, and most importantly, a singular defined goal and reason for being. We're all our own leaders. None of us speak for any other. Organizing would do us more harm than good. We're already a disparate group splintered off into multiple camps. Go outside right now into a public space and play a game with yourself: spot the incel. Outside of the obvious like sex (femcels are a meme), race and other truecel/chad traits, you may as well be shooting blind.
Not really. You see, what will happen is exactly what happened to /pol/. E-celebs with no ties to the ideology/state of mind or incels who want to statusmaxx, seeing a market with no leader or organization, will assume the mantle of leadership and begin arguing on our behalf. I suspect this is what @BrendioEEE was trying to do. This essentially means that inceldom will be represented not by an organization, but by random men who the media can easily manipulate like puppets to form narratives about us and the blackpill. When you have no leader or representation, you will be given one by the powers that be.
Organizing makes it easier to categorize and compartmentalize us, and thus profile us. Organizing only serves to legitimize and simplify LE efforts against us in the propaganda war. Our strength is ironically in our disunity. This is a major reason why global controllers and many governments hate the internet so much.
The internet is a cloak, nothing more. Like I said, if LE wanted you, they could send serge a warrant and get your post information and IP. We live in a post-law society. Just by posting here, you are liable for prosecution. And even if the case is horseshit, you will go bankrupt trying to defend yourself or plea out.
Look at 4chan, for a great example. It was so influential that normies and trannies eventually invaded and turned it into a cucked cess pool of degeneracy and normiedom. What was it at the core? It was a bunch of spergs and autists posting memes, stories and the occasional niggerfaggot.
4chan was born in a different era of internet. It became largely useless after 2016 for the reasons you stated (another problem with online only communities, low barrier to entry).
If the Orwellian activities were supplemented by draconian, national socialist style enforcement policies, then, and only then, would I argue in favor of IRL organization as necessary.
When the time comes to become politically active, yes, NS or Cheka style internal policing will be required. But its difficult to go from "some guy I cope with online" to "some guy I'll go kill some snitch for" without transitioning through the "I'll meet him for lunch" stage. Its an entirely different level of effort. We must learn to stand before we can sprint.

My general point is that IRL shit is necessary for actual lasting change that helps us and future incels and that the internet will not always be as open as it is today.
To add to the last part of that post.

We should we wait until we are literally able to be killed for shitposting about women to organize? That sounds very counterproductive and adds much greater chance of failure. I'd rather not go to my first meeting looking over my shoulder for a MRAP with a SWAT team inside ready to kill some inkwells.
 
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I'm not arguing in favor of getting rid of online spaces. I'm arguing in favor of establishing a limited IRL network complete with security protocols to provide benefits and strengths that online spaces cannot provide.

I understand, and wasn't saying that you are in favor of that. I was saying that the advantages of the online space are sufficient enough to not necessitate or warrant the need for a real, brick and mortar space.

This is simply endless running and hiding. Whack-a-mole style internet hide and seek isn't going to work much longer as more and more censorship and internet centralization gets pushed through. And I understand that there will always be an internet site to fall back to, whether on clearnet, the darknet, or zeronet, i2p, etc. My point is that every time you get whacked, you lose users and have to rebuild the userbase. This cycle takes a few years, and is essentially a constant state of internet guerrilla warfare, with the guerrillas slowly losing ground each time. Nothing is permanent in this state. There is no steady rock to build a society or movement on. Just endless running until we collapse of tiredness in our late 30s and 40s.

I think you may be exaggerating the e-guerrilla warfare and the effects of any attrition. The diminishing userbase is a fair point in weakening the online space, but with every iteration the userbase arguably slowly grows as the community gets more attention and exposure in other spheres. I don't know if there is any retrievable metadata on this, but that would be the next logical place to go looking for a conclusion, if a diminishing user base is a real concern in switching digital real estate.

Not really. You see, what will happen is exactly what happened to /pol/. E-celebs with no ties to the ideology/state of mind or incels who want to statusmaxx, seeing a market with no leader or organization, will assume the mantle of leadership and begin arguing on our behalf. I suspect this is what @BrendioEEE was trying to do. This essentially means that inceldom will be represented not by an organization, but by random men who the media can easily manipulate like puppets to form narratives about us and the blackpill. When you have no leader or representation, you will be given one by the powers that be.

Please don't @ that fucking faggot ever again.

You're correct, however, that somebody will fill the leadership void. This phenomenon - filling a void - is universal, from the physical (atoms rushing to fill an empty space) to the social. You're also correct that in the absense of a leader those who want to misrepresent you will assign their own shills to make their propagandizing an easier task.

If the intent is to have a leader in order to prevent such problems, then fine. But that person is going to shoulder a Herculean - and frankly unfair - responsibility, since they will be a personified target of blame and hatred. It's much harder to blame and hate the abstract idea of the incel, than it is to point to a person and say, "there. That guy." Add in the failo (horn) effect, and it becomes that much more difficult.

The internet is a cloak, nothing more. Like I said, if LE wanted you, they could send serge a warrant and get your post information and IP. We live in a post-law society. Just by posting here, you are liable for prosecution. And even if the case is horseshit, you will go bankrupt trying to defend yourself or plea out.

Sure. It could happen right this instance. Why make it easier for them, though? If they're going to be assholes, they'll just use their state-issued authority to make their being assholes easier. Fuck them

4chan was born in a different era of internet. It became largely useless after 2016 for the reasons you stated (another problem with online only communities, low barrier to entry).

Yes, a low barrier to entry is a problem, as evidenced by numerous cases of fakecels and infiltrators. I am confident, however, that concerted and focused efforts against this would make this problem a non-issue, if it got way out of hand.

When the time comes to become politically active, yes, NS or Cheka style internal policing will be required. But its difficult to go from "some guy I cope with online" to "some guy I'll go kill some snitch for" without transitioning through the "I'll meet him for lunch" stage. Its an entirely different level of effort. We must learn to stand before we can sprint.

That's a good point. But - and this is a big one - I don't need to have that level of trust in you. That's not what we're about here (hi, FBI). We're about discussing the black pill, and helping each other cope and understand our situations better. Also, occasional shitposting and meming.

My general point is that IRL shit is necessary for actual lasting change that helps us and future incels and that the internet will not always be as open as it is today.

You want lasting change? Expose blue pilled people to the black pill. How that should be done is up for discussion. It's part science and part art.

We should we wait until we are literally able to be killed for shitposting about women to organize? That sounds very counterproductive and adds much greater chance of failure. I'd rather not go to my first meeting looking over my shoulder for a MRAP with a SWAT team inside ready to kill some inkwells.

The hyperbole here is reaching levels of absurdity that lead me to think that the chances of you glowing are higher than typically expected for creating such a thread.
 
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Just wear communist shirts and bring communist flags to the meetup, then you can't be criticized :feelsokman: :feelsokman: :feelsokman:

A rainbow flag would be more appropriate, there are lots of communist incels in this forum as well, me included.
 
A rainbow flag would be more appropriate, there are lots of communist incels in this forum as well, me included.
The people who generally criticize incels seem to be to the left, and since the right has no social power I think communist stuff will work more effectively. They will see through rainbow stuff etc.
 
I understand, and wasn't saying that you are in favor of that. I was saying that the advantages of the online space are sufficient enough to not necessitate or warrant the need for a real, brick and mortar space.
And there are glaring weaknesses in the online only model that I've pointed out, in addition to the long term feasibility of such a model.
I think you may be exaggerating the e-guerrilla warfare and the effects of any attrition.
This can be disproved by looking at the demise of braincels and 8ch. Braincels pop is likely gone forever, and 8ch will likely never go back to its pre-shutdown numbers barring some fuckery on 4chan (which is pretty fucked already). And when clearnet avenues are unavailable, expect massive attrition when switching to zeronet, tor, or i2p due to lack of technical expertise among the userbase.
If the intent is to have a leader in order to prevent such problems, then fine. But that person is going to shoulder a Herculean - and frankly unfair - responsibility, since they will be a personified target of blame and hatred. It's much harder to blame and hate the abstract idea of the incel, than it is to point to a person and say, "there. That guy." Add in the failo (horn) effect, and it becomes that much more difficult.
That's if we go with the traditional leader-spoke structure model. I was think along the lines of the cell organization model. Essentially the groups are no larger than 8 people max and they are compartmentalized so one being compromised doesn't lead to the whole organization falling. So there isn't one leader, but several leaders, each with their own cell. And its currently very easy to hate the abstract idea, considering every foid calls every male who does something she doesn't like an incel and intel agencies are currently studying us right now.
Why make it easier for them, though?
But it isn't making it easier though. I've already discussed why this is. Isolated individuals are easier to fuck with.
I am confident, however, that concerted and focused efforts against this would make this problem a non-issue, if it got way out of hand.
There are 11,000 members of this site. Only 300 or so post. Many are banned, usually with the help of the userbase. Some active users are alts. Many many more are simply lurkers. If there was a concerted effort to join this forum by outsiders, or if the mod team was somehow compromised, this forum would get flooded quickly and become unusable, much like /r9k/ on 4cuck. I respect the mods tremendously, but I don't think they could handle an concerted attack.
I don't need to have that level of trust in you.
Yet. My point is that IRL activities should be considered before Chinese style internet restrictions and police practices become normalized in western societies.
Expose blue pilled people to the black pill.
I'm not saying not to jfl. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We need to get ready for the eventual censorship that will befall us.
The hyperbole here is reaching levels of absurdity that lead me to think that the chances of you glowing are higher than typically expected for creating such a thread.
My glow level is high to you because we are disagreeing on tactics. I could just call you a deescalation shill and move on, but I don't. We already have an example of a society where some of the measures I talk about have been implemented: China. And I can assure you, if you are caught talking about anything sensitive on their internet, you will be harassed by police and possibly "disappeared".

I'm merely offering advice for those who wish to take it. Nothing more, nothing less. I will say that I do plan on organizing near where I live.
 
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