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Hypocrisy If pedophilia (the attraction part) is wrong, then you could also say that homosexuality (the attraction part) is wrong, or are choices.

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Since people love to attack "pedos" (which most of the time aren't even pedos, they are ephebophiles or hebephiles), for their feelings of attraction, it makes no difference than attacking gays for their feelings of attraction. Even if they don't act on those impulses. After all, you cannot choose what you are attracted to, unless of course you think otherwise, which would imply becoming gay is a choice.

relevant thread:
 
Soyciety wants to protect the "innocent" children - the "pedophiles" that merely have an attraction but haven't done anything shouldn't be wished death.
 
are there seriously people who think the attraction is wrong?
 
are there seriously people who think the attraction is wrong?
Yes, they're all over this place. I can even name a few off the top of my head. Imagine caring about someone here being a pedo just because it makes us look 'bad' to IT (as if we already don't)
 
Faggots are as degenerate as foids.
 
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Both are wrong in my eyes.

Liberals are hypocritical idiots.
 
They celebrate when degenerate faggots fuck each but if a man even says that he is attracted to a 15 year old which is completely natural they'll go nuts. They are retarded beyond reckoning.
 
“Child molestor” and “person who is attracted to children” are the same things in the eyes of the normies.

Nevermind the fact that all men are attracted to women but they arent considered rapists, jfl. Normies are so hypocritical and inconsistent with their supposed “morals” and “beliefs”
 
Both are wrong in my eyes.

Liberals are hypocritical idiots.
first idiot has shown up

read the thread i linked, and kill yourself
 
The hatred against pedophilia is like 10% wanting to protect children, 10% actual morals and 80% gynocentrism.

Little girls have way too much value and adult men way too little, so if an adult man even thinks of doing something that could be interpreted as harmful to a little girl, people already think he should be killed.
 
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first idiot has shown up

read the thread i linked, and kill yourself

I did and how does that change my views? there are people who enjoy all sorts of twisted things should i like them too because they don't act out on it? is there something demanding i should like them?

Don't tell someone to kill themselves you dumbass.
 
I did and how does that change my views? there are people who enjoy all sorts of twisted things should i like them too because they don't act out on it? is there something demanding i should like them?

Don't tell someone to kill themselves you dumbass.
i never said you should like them, nice strawman.

what i did say is that if a man is attracted to a young girl, and doesn't act out on it, he can't have possibly done anything wrong.
 
i never said you should like them, nice strawman.

what i did say is that if a man is attracted to a young girl, and doesn't act out on it, he can't have possibly done anything wrong.

Your emotional outburst came off as such.

It's wrong just how having gay thoughts is wrong, they're just thoughts but i wouldn't want to be around such person.
 
I think it's wrong to be attracted to pre puberty kids, because they're kids tbh.
Puberty is literally the biological way in which the body signalizes that the person is sexually mature. It's stupid to claim that a 15 yo fully mature hoe is different than an 18 yo fully mature hoe.
 
Your emotional outburst came off as such.

It's wrong just how having gay thoughts is wrong, they're just thoughts but i wouldn't want to be around such person.
gay "thoughts"

now you're changing the subject, AGAIN.

this topic was about ATTRACTION (read: attraction)

please, explain to me how ATTRACTION, something you don't choose, is wrong. address that specifically
 
They celebrate when degenerate faggots fuck each but if a man even says that he is attracted to a 15 year old which is completely natural they'll go nuts. They are retarded beyond reckoning.
 
@Edmund_Kemper @Mainländer This topic is your call. Also inb4moralfags.
 
It's funny but most children are having more sex than us
 
gay "thoughts"

now you're changing the subject, AGAIN.

this topic was about ATTRACTION (read: attraction)

please, explain to me how ATTRACTION, something you don't choose, is wrong. address that specifically

I'm not changing anything, when you're attracted to something you think about it often no? you have fantasies and thoughts about it.

It is wrong because it creates sense of bad development of the brain to your surroundings, you're not doing anything wrong but when you think about in practise it is wrong and illegal.

So same thing i said with the gay people. i feel like they're biologically wrong in their attraction.
 
If “pedos” are bad then gays are bad and should be banned as well
 
I'm not changing anything, when you're attracted to something you think about it often no? you have fantasies and thoughts about it.

It is wrong because it creates sense of bad development of the brain to your surroundings, you're not doing anything wrong but when you think about in practise it is wrong and illegal.

So same thing i said with the gay people. i feel like they're biologically wrong in their attraction.
No, no. attraction is seeing something, and getting a feeling in your brain, that's all it is.

"but when you think about it is illegal"

incorrect, thinking about it is not illegal in the slightest.

keep using shitty arguments you stupid bluepilled NPC
 
I completely agree with the attraction message you try to convey. At least on the law side, feeling attraction is in no way illegal. A very interesting topic indeed, especially since there are a lot of people which don't understand the difference between Action and Attraction.
 
No, no. attraction is seeing something, and getting a feeling in your brain, that's all it is.

"but when you think about it is illegal"

incorrect, thinking about it is not illegal in the slightest.

keep using shitty arguments you stupid bluepilled NPC

Attraction and thoughts are linked together, i regularly think about Women because i'm attracted to them.

I didn't say when you think about it is illegal, i said in practice it's illegal, so it's similar to thinking about murders, it's not illegal to think about it but what is occurring in practice that you're attracted to is illegal.

Nice job saying i'm a Bluepilled NPC because i don't share your opinion, typical.
 
Attraction and thoughts are linked together, i regularly think about Women because i'm attracted to them.

I didn't say when you think about it is illegal, i said in practice it's illegal, so it's similar to thinking about murders, it's not illegal to think about it but what is occurring in practice that you're attracted to is illegal.

Nice job saying i'm a Bluepilled NPC because i don't share your opinion, typical.
sorry but this "in practice" argument is still stupid

thinking about young girls being attractive is not illegal at all. it just isn't, period, end of discussion.

you do realize that attraction is purely biological, and not your choice. you are trying to bring the idea of "thoughts" into this equation, implying there is a choice.

NO
 
sorry but this "in practice" argument is still stupid

thinking about young girls being attractive is not illegal at all. it just isn't, period, end of discussion.

you do realize that attraction is purely biological, and not your choice. you are trying to bring the idea of "thoughts" into this equation, implying there is a choice.

NO

The act of thinking about it is not illegal when it's in your head but who's to say you won't act out on it? like with a psychopath it creates aura of danger.

I know that attraction is biological i never said it wasn't, but that doesn't make it valid and healthy.
 
The act of thinking about it is not illegal when it's in your head but who's to say you won't act out on it? like with a psychopath it creates aura of danger.

I know that attraction is biological i never said it wasn't, but that doesn't make it valid and healthy.
you could use the same argument against all incels and claim that they all wanna go ER

do you see how stupid you fucking sound?

the answer is, as long as you haven't done anything, you are innocent.

you are thinking in terms of "thoughtcrime" or "pre crime".

you are buying into this Orwellian thought control system just like an NPC would
 
you could use the same argument against all incels and claim that they all wanna go ER

do you see how stupid you fucking sound?

the answer is, as long as you haven't done anything, you are innocent.

you are thinking in terms of "thoughtcrime" or "pre crime".

you are buying into this Orwellian thought control system just like an NPC would

Ok it's not illegal as long as it's in your head, let's leave it at that.

But then why did you get triggered at my original comment? i never said anything about legality i just said it was wrong.(again this is my opinion)
 
Ok it's not illegal as long as it's in your head, let's leave it at that.

But then why did you get triggered at my original comment? i never said anything about legality i just said it was wrong.(again this is my opinion)
because how can it be wrong if you don't have a choice in the matter?
 
because how can it be wrong if you don't have a choice in the matter?

I had practising people in mind when i made my original comment, so it's my fault i didn't elaborate.

Well if it's not wrong it's def disgusting, less than a man that wants to fuck another man in his anus but still.
 
well they are both wrong
 
I mean yes, the attraction part in homosexuality is wrong.
 
I had practising people in mind when i made my original comment, so it's my fault i didn't elaborate.

Well if it's not wrong it's def disgusting, less than a man that wants to fuck another man in his anus but still.
fair enough.
 
Reminder that thoughts have moral potential in some direction, but it's the action that is moral, immoral, or neutral. The thought itself isn't moral/immoral. Morality is about actions, so anybody here saying that "thinking about x is wrong" isn't making sense.
 
Just because you don't have control over your natural attraction doesn't make your attraction valid. Both homosexuality and pedophilia are natural, but not valid.

LOL @ you. You call other people idiots and yet you regularly make low IQ water is wet type posts, adding little to nothing to these conversations. Do you even have any original thought or do you just regurgitate talking points which have been beaten to death in this forum?
"valid". what the fuck are you talking about by "valid"?

And lol @ calling me low iq, you're the one who calls every white dude a fakecel and thinks that height>face
 
Let me explain. First of all, nature uses attraction and pleasure to facilitate mating. Attraction and pleasure precedes mating; they are never the end goals themselves.

Optimal mating dynamics cannot happen if your makes you attempt to copulate with someone who is sexually underdeveloped because of her age (in the case of pedophilia), or if you're attempting to mate with someone of the same sex because that's going against natures physiological design (homosexuality).

If you attempt to impregnate a woman too young just because she started ovulating, you're ignoring not just the health of the mother, but also your future child(ren). A doctor explains the physical risks in the following excerpt:
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Source: https://www.livescience.com/19584-10-year-birth.html

Hence for a man to procreate successfully, its necessary to acquire a member of the opposite sex (a woman) who has reached a minimum age of sexual maturity. Now, many say that 20 is the earliest age a woman can safely start attempting to get pregnant, but I think it could be as early as 17 or 18. Such an optimal setting for mating is what I consider valid.
that doesn't explain why it's "immoral"
Pushing that narrative won't help because I've since clarified my stance on that with you already.
you never did
 
Never said its immoral, only invalid. Although, a case can be made for morality as well since premature pregnancy is highly likely to hurt both females who get pregnant early, as well as their children.
premature birth and other complications doesn't occur among older teens as much as IT say. most complications are often due to lack of prenatal care among pregnant teens and although teens might be more likely to have complications the vast majority of them still don't especially when they have prenatal care, good nutrition and avoiding smoking which many don't. but you seem to talk about 10 year olds getting pregnant not teens
 
Never said its immoral, only invalid. Although, a case can be made for morality as well since premature pregnancy is highly likely to hurt both females who get pregnant early, as well as their children.
well as i said, i'm focused on ATTRACTION, not actions
 
And like I mentioned right off the bat, attraction precedes action, which is why certain anomalous attractions should not be encouraged unless you are okay with harming the dynamics of procreation and family formation.

No its not just about "care". Its about physiological development. Complications are far more likely if pregnancy occurs at a premature age.
do you consider that that foids finish puberty at 15-17 years old and that the pelvis becomes sufficiently developed in the late teens (that's even in your livescience article). also, studies show that if pregnant teens have access to prenatal care and avoid smoking, they have a high chance of giving birth to a healthy baby. the percentage of complications of among pregnant teens isn't even that much higher than older women it's like 6% compared with 14% for specific complications (maybe even a bit lower than 14%). also its more common among 13/14 year olds than 15-19 year olds. also teens have high reproductive value, defined as the amount of reproductive years you have left.
 
And like I mentioned right off the bat, attraction precedes action, which is why certain anomalous attractions should not be encouraged unless you are okay with harming the dynamics of procreation and family formation.
"attractions should not be encouraged"

are you implying attraction is a choice?
 
Yes I do.

My question is, in spite of mitigating factors like increased care, why would you want to take a risk when it comes to these early pregnancies? Wouldn't you want to procreate at the most optimal time to give your child(ren) the best chance of success? I personally don't think such anomalous attractions and the pregnancies which result from such attractions are justified.

Its not a choice, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed to proliferate and translate into action. It should be stamped out. This applies to both homosexuality and pedophilia..
attraction to teens isn't rare it's common. also the risk still very low especially if the teen avoids smoking and has prenatal care.

also teens have the highest reproductive value. reproductive value aka amount of years of being able to make babies is crucial in evolution
 
Its not a choice, but that doesn't mean it should be allowed to proliferate and translate into action. It should be stamped out. This applies to both homosexuality and pedophilia..
i never said pedophilia ACTS, (adult child sex) should be legalized. i'm just saying we should all agree ATTRACTION isn't wrong
 
I doubt that because attraction is driven by sexual maturity and dimorphism. A boy is less dimorphic than a man, just as a girl is less dimorphic than a woman. A 10 year old child will not be as dimorphic (and hence attractive) as a

Women are most fertile at around age 20. More kids = suboptimal resources diverted towards the development of each offspring. I rather have fewer children raised with higher quality of upbringing.

From the point of view of exercising personal control and choice over attraction, pedophilia isn't wrong. However, it is wrong from the point of view of social harm. Obviously you can't change the way you your attraction works, but that doesn't mean society has to accept your attraction given that your attraction could harm other people.
doesn't matter having an extra child in your teens (15-19) is ok. also, you'll many in your 20s and then possibly your 30s. it's about populating the earth and making as many babies as possible.

it IS common. older teens finished puberty and usually look 20. even sexologists confirm its common. they're sexually mature and post-pubescent. even research papers show its common
 
From the point of view of exercising personal control and choice over attraction, pedophilia isn't wrong. However, it is wrong from the point of view of social harm. Obviously you can't change the way you your attraction works, but that doesn't mean society has to accept your attraction given that your attraction could harm other people.
woah woah woah

how can you say that when attraction is not a choice?

you're an ugly manlet shitskin, why does society have to accept your complete subhumanity?
 
I agree with you. Once in the late teens, its ok to mate. 15 is pushing it, but 17 onwards should be fine.

It should not accept me or those similar to me because I don't add any value to society. I am a net drain. Then there are other shitskins ten times worse off than me in every respect who are so dirt poor that they consume nothing and produce nothing of value. People such as us who are Darwin's deadends should be provided with free euthanasia.
16 is definitely ok. 15 is ok as long as they finished puberty at that point.
 
Chances of them finishing them is lower than the chances at ages 17 and up. But if they are truly done by 15, then its fine. Many are NOT done by that age.
actually it's quite common to finish puberty at 15. although the most common is 16
 
Show me the data on this? For me personally, 18-20 year olds look way more sexually dimorphic and mature than 15 year olds.
and late 20s looks more mature than all of them but that doesn't mean puberty ends at late 20s

many 15 year olds look 20

Kail, RV; Cavanaugh JC (2010). Human Development: A Lifespan View (5th ed.). Cengage Learning. p. 296. ISBN 978-0-495-60037-4.

Schuiling (2016). Women's Gynecologic Health. Jones & Bartlett Learning. p. 22. ISBN 978-1-284-12501-6. The changes that occur during puberty usually happen in an ordered sequence, beginning with thelarche (breast development) at around age 10 or 11, followed by adrenarche (growth of pubic hair due to androgen stimulation), peak height velocity, and finally menarche (the onset of menses), which usually occurs around age 12 or 13.

D. C. Phillips (2014). Encyclopedia of Educational Theory and Philosophy. Sage Publications. pp. 18–19. ISBN 978-1-4833-6475-9. On average, the onset of puberty is about 18 months earlier for girls (usually starting around the age of 10 or 11 and lasting until they are 15 to 17) than for boys (who usually begin puberty at about the age of 11 to 12 and complete it by the age of 16 to 17, on average).
 

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