Discussion I wouldn't give my daughter to a guy like me tbh

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In my point of view, as someone who's starving for love, I think I deserve a lover, but if I was a dad, and had a daughter, looks wise alone, i wouldn't even look at a guy like me. Now, that's how all dads are like most probably. And their daughters even worse lookists.

So, essentially is it all my fault ?

It's all about the perspectives, to make love, you need to fit in both the perspective of the girl and your own.

Our perspectives are just biological I guess, even though we are blackpilled, i believe none of us would give our daughters, if we ever have one, to a subhuman

 

[Darth Aries]

Of course. Nature is brutal towards us but fathers have an inherent protective instinct over their daughters if they aren’t cucks, and there’s no way around that.

Then again most fathers are cucked nowadays considering just how many whores exist.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

In my point of view, as someone who's starving for love, I think I deserve a lover, but if I was a dad, and had a daughter, looks wise alone, i wouldn't even look at a guy like me. Now, that's how all dads are like most probably. And their daughters even worse lookists.

So, essentially is it all my fault ?

It's all about the perspectives, to make love, you need to fit in both the perspective of the girl and your own.

Our perspectives are just biological I guess, even though we are blackpilled, i believe none of us would give our daughters, if we ever have one, to a subhuman

Who you are is to a large degree downhill from your genes. The responsibility for those can't be attributed to any individual (not even your parents, whose decisions also are downhill from their own genetics). Only society as a whole could take responsibility for that and ours refuses to do so for now. Once technology allows wealthy people to optimize their children pre-birth, society will sooner or later have to take action.

But even ignoring that whole can of worms, "responsibility" is fundamentally a hollow concept. Free will is unlikely to exist in a world running on deterministic physics, with some true randomness mixed in at the lowest level. Should be obvious if you think about it for 15 minutes. Have you ever seen the mechanism behind free will visualized? Any science video explaining what in the brain enables us to make "free" decisions? The free in free will stands for "free of the causal chain of cause and effect". The claim to free will is an emotion-driven moral demand more than anything else. It changes surprisingly little to accept this, but it might make your outlook on life a bit more forgiving or more bleak.

It might help you to know that in the end it's not really your fault in any meaningful sense. Or it might enrage you that the responsibility might be taken away from the people who hurt you. Or you might despair in face of the indifference of such a universe which forces such suffering and misery on so many without any concern for karma or fairness or "who deserves what".

I guess I should add that even without free will, your decisions are still the result of who you are. It's just that "decision" is more like pressing the = sign on a calculator, rather than magically drawing a decision from the depths of your soul or something. Also doesn't change much about laws or social norms. We should still punish people doing bad so as to create an incentive for people to do less bad. And the people committing the worst kinds of crime will still be horrible scum. On some level, they might not have decided to be born with the predisposition or circumstances to end up as scum. But they still are at the end of the day. Removing the free will delusion from your mind will force you to disconnect "punishment" from "responsibility" and connect it to another justification.

 

[OutcompetedByRoomba]

I guess more to then point: Many men can't hope to "fit in both the perspective of the girl and your own". It's an innate unfairness of the world that needs to be addressed on the societal level. Although, first it would need to be acknowledged at all.

It's fine to optimize your own life and body to w/e degree you can in hopes of becoming barely desirable enough to a girl in the future, e..g through careermaxxing. But that is an individualistic perspective. Men as a collective can not overcome the root problems they are facing like this.

Life is partly a team game. And that is the domain in which we are failing completly.

 

[underballer]

Same lol I’m undeserving of ascension but don’t care