Discussion I think its time to question the validity of hypergamy

[jet112]

most of you must know that hypergamy was meant to give woman better chances of survival and better future prospects.
while the benefits are many, it appears that woman don't exercise it properly, or we simply don't understand woman yet.

my question is this: why so many marriages are unsuccessful? why so many woman end up with bad fathers, weak fathers, fathers with low prospects and so on.
they say that woman can detach easily, i disagree with that because there are some strong cases where the woman is pursuing a broken and irredeemable relationship with someone that is beyond repair.

something went haywire during the evolutionary process. woman might pursue good genes but that's only 1 part of the equation. there are many things that make a husband and that's what im talking about. how can a woman exercise hypergamy when shes sleeping with a meth addict or a criminal? that lowers the baby chance of survival by hundred fold.
and what about woman that have children while in prison? only to be taken away by CPS. you don't need to be smart to know that you might never see that child again

tl;dr
what im saying is that we put too much emphasis on looks and it makes us overlook some other aspects about the mating process.

 

[frustratedhapa]

we don't place too much emphasis on looks. maybe there were other important factors that came into play 10,000 years ago, but we live in 2019 where women are independent and liberated and make their own money. more women are entering university than men. more and more women are becoming high powered career women who make a 6 figure salary. Sooo a woman who is independent and makes her own money won't care if a guy has money or intelligence or whatever because she has her own money. Modern women only care about looks. And why wouldn't they? there's nothing else a man has to offer them these days.

 

[jet112]

we don't place too much emphasis on looks. maybe there were other important factors that came into play 10,000 years ago, but we live in 2019 where women are independent and liberated and make their own money. more women are entering university than men. more and more women are becoming high powered career women who make a 6 figure salary. Sooo a woman who is independent and makes her own money won't care if a guy has money or intelligence or whatever because she has her own money. Modern women only care about looks. And why wouldn't they? there's nothing else a man has to offer them these days.

being "independent" or "free" doesn't change anything. its a temporary situation that is created with temporary means.
the only reason any of us is 'free' is because there are cops everywhere. and we basically bribe woman with jobs so they can LARP as career woman.

my question was in the context of reproduction. if woman don't care about having children anymore. does it mean they can override their maternal instinct? if there ever was one?
if woman ever decide to stop the roleplaying, then it would be too late already

 

[frustratedhapa]

being "independent" or "free" doesn't change anything. its a temporary situation that is created with temporary means.
the only reason any of us is 'free' is because there are cops everywhere. and we basically bribe woman with jobs so they can LARP as career woman.

my question was in the context of reproduction. if woman don't care about having children anymore. does it mean they can override their maternal instinct? if there ever was one?
if woman ever decide to stop the roleplaying, then it would be too late already

Lots of women nowadays don't care about being mothers. Just look at the low birth rates in the West. They are below replacement rate. White women especially seem to not want kids. White people are on the verge of becoming minorities in their own homelands. Niggers and sand niggers will outbreed them. And the women who do want kids would rather get impregnated by deadbeat Chads or they'd rather go to sperm banks and choose giga chad sperm to inseminate themselves with. And of course you still have some women out there who ride the cock carousel and then finally decide to settle down at 40 with a beta provider simp. They might pop out a kid or two. But clearly sex with Chads is more important to modern women than motherhood.

 

[jackwolfskin999]

Yes hypergamy is fucking up reproduction

Basically women now can enjoy Chad cock without having to get pregnant thanks to birth control methods

We're at a point where women have 100s of sexual partners and most men have none basically the exact opposite of what is natural
Heck you could even rationalize hypergamy if the top men impregnated all the women below age 25 for optimal babies but this doesn't even happen instead it's just degenerate sex

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

most of you must know that hypergamy was meant to give woman better chances of survival and better future prospects.
while the benefits are many, it appears that woman don't exercise it properly, or we simply don't understand woman yet.

my question is this: why so many marriages are unsuccessful? why so many woman end up with bad fathers, weak fathers, fathers with low prospects and so on.
they say that woman can detach easily, i disagree with that because there are some strong cases where the woman is pursuing a broken and irredeemable relationship with someone that is beyond repair.

something went haywire during the evolutionary process. woman might pursue good genes but that's only 1 part of the equation. there are many things that make a husband and that's what im talking about. how can a woman exercise hypergamy when shes sleeping with a meth addict or a criminal? that lowers the baby chance of survival by hundred fold.
and what about woman that have children while in prison? only to be taken away by CPS. you don't need to be smart to know that you might never see that child again

tl;dr
what im saying is that we put too much emphasis on looks and it makes us overlook some other aspects about the mating process.

Hypergamy isn't rational. While you might figure out in your brain that sleeping with a criminal is bad because he's most likely gonna end up dead or in jail your sexual instincts gets aroused by that dark triad behaviour, possibly indicates high t? Did that behaviour increase risk of dying or leaving the child 10k years ago? Idk but probably less than today.

 

[KaizenYagi]

Hypergamy exists. Women like physically attractive men, and want to get the most attractive man they can. It ends there, and goes no further.

The problem with hypergamy as a concept is people assume that mother gaia or whatever imbues the randomly accumulated genes which randomly assembled into amazingly well ordered, non chaotic, complex systems far beyond anything we can even comprehend with a primal clitoral scream for aquiring better random patterns from chad's cock. So some foid is improving the species by seeing a pretty face, and well built body, and having sex with it. It's evolution see? Her gross immorality, irresponsibility, in short being a complete whore, which is civilization, and species destroying behavior is actually good. You go girl, you a woman. You build society like mother gaia build waterfalls!

Because when she aborts the kid, she has passed on a superior combination of random genes.

Because when she uses contraception she furthers the progress of humanity as a species.

Because when she makes any number of bad life decisions, society is quick to step in, and help her through her problems with welfare, and whole systems designed to reward her stupidity, and whoring.

Chads, and Staceys are genetically superior to us in looks. But pretty face bones do not translate into research scientist intellectual caliber or genuine leadership abilities. It doesn't translate into better livers or hearts. Maybe better kickball, but unless people have congenital medical defects, they all do a pretty similar job where genetics is concerned in terms of being successsful living organisms. The halo effect, and a belief in something as ridiculous as evolution makes people into pseudo science worshippers who in turn find the cheapest readily available explanation to explain their personal lack of sexual success.

The bottom line is the extreme hypergamy we see today is just tinder, and social degeneracy mixing urine, and feces onto the public square, and society collectively rationalizing it by adding a false evolutionairy argument to it.

 

[ThouShallObeyKing]

most of you must know that hypergamy was meant to give woman better chances of survival and better future prospects.
while the benefits are many, it appears that woman don't exercise it properly, or we simply don't understand woman yet.

my question is this: why so many marriages are unsuccessful? why so many woman end up with bad fathers, weak fathers, fathers with low prospects and so on.
they say that woman can detach easily, i disagree with that because there are some strong cases where the woman is pursuing a broken and irredeemable relationship with someone that is beyond repair.

something went haywire during the evolutionary process. woman might pursue good genes but that's only 1 part of the equation. there are many things that make a husband and that's what im talking about. how can a woman exercise hypergamy when shes sleeping with a meth addict or a criminal? that lowers the baby chance of survival by hundred fold.
and what about woman that have children while in prison? only to be taken away by CPS. you don't need to be smart to know that you might never see that child again

tl;dr
what im saying is that we put too much emphasis on looks and it makes us overlook some other aspects about the mating process.

drugs are often seen as cool by foids


that, and being a criminal in foid head is actually equivalent to strong boxer champion fighter so theres huge chance he will protect his family AND his son will be badass too


attraction to criminal > attraction to average joe provider

 

[jet112]

Hypergamy exists. Women like physically attractive men, and want to get the most attractive man they can. It ends there, and goes no further.

The problem with hypergamy as a concept is people assume that mother gaia or whatever imbues the randomly accumulated genes which randomly assembled into amazingly well ordered, non chaotic, complex systems far beyond anything we can even comprehend with a primal clitoral scream for aquiring better random patterns from chad's cock. So some foid is improving the species by seeing a pretty face, and well built body, and having sex with it. It's evolution see? Her gross immorality, irresponsibility, in short being a complete whore, which is civilization, and species destroying behavior is actually good. You go girl, you a woman. You build society like mother gaia build waterfalls!

Because when she aborts the kid, she has passed on a superior combination of random genes.

Because when she uses contraception she furthers the progress of humanity as a species.

Because when she makes any number of bad life decisions, society is quick to step in, and help her through her problems with welfare, and whole systems designed to reward her stupidity, and whoring.

Chads, and Staceys are genetically superior to us in looks. But pretty face bones do not translate into research scientist intellectual caliber or genuine leadership abilities. It doesn't translate into better livers or hearts. Maybe better kickball, but unless people have congenital medical defects, they all do a pretty similar job where genetics is concerned in terms of being successsful living organisms. The halo effect, and a belief in something as ridiculous as evolution makes people into pseudo science worshippers who in turn find the cheapest readily available explanation to explain their personal lack of sexual success.

The bottom line is the extreme hypergamy we see today is just tinder, and social degeneracy mixing urine, and feces onto the public square, and society collectively rationalizing it by adding a false evolutionairy argument to it.

exactly. i don't think every mother is ought to be a good one. i just think that we went too far with the hypergamy theory and rationalized it in a terrible way. hypergamy has nothing to do with reproduction because woman nowdays do everything so they can to have babies later in life.
my opinion is that hypergamy do more harm than good in every possible way. we haven't adapted properly

Hypergamy isn't rational. While you might figure out in your brain that sleeping with a criminal is bad because he's most likely gonna end up dead or in jail your sexual instincts gets aroused by that dark triad behaviour, possibly indicates high t? Did that behaviour increase risk of dying or leaving the child 10k years ago? Idk but probably less than today.

high T has nothing to do with survival. humans have evolved because they planned for the future.
the desirable outcome is always a better future, this is how species evolve. but in humans we do irrational things that leads to children out of wedlock and abortions. so hypergamy is surely has nothing to do with survival mechanics or instincts. its either an evolutionary bug or we simply got it wrong.

 

[KaizenYagi]

The thing that is ironic about it is it really seems like that with the hallmark of humanity being its intelligence relative to other species, we want to deny using that intelligence to create better societies, and revert to legitimizing primal behavior even at the cost of losing civilization, and turn around, and use a scientific sounding argument to support our failure to be stewards of society. It's beyond ridiculous. I wish high IQ, high morality people could go Galt, and find enough land somewhere to start a new nation state. Just export our losers to the rest of the world when they can't hang. I'm tired of being along for the ride in a collapsing civilization where it seems everyone around me is a part of the problem, and the minority of people who aren't are held to higher standards of conduct the effects of which then becomes a transfer to the degenerates who suffer no constraints or repurcussions for their useless behavior. Good people pay the full price of resource provision for the maintenance of society, and bear the full cost of other people's degeneracy.