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I think frame is just as important as face (if not more).

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Obviously too hideous a face and there's no coming back for that. But having a bad frame is a HUGE downside (of course Chad face can carry even that).

Women are attracted to strength, "manliness", so a bad frame is a huge turn-off. Gymcelling can compensate for it somewhat, though not always and not fully, and it hinges on too many factors (like genetics). And if you spent your entire life rotting and having horrible health and having atrophied all your muscles, having no energy, that means you can't even gymcel to sort of make up for the shit frame.

Funny how a lot of problems for a man stem from his bad frame. I was always a weak kid, maybe even sickly, and my frame was horrible (narrow shoulders, tiny wrists/hands). So even as a kid if you're weaker than your peers, you get bullied. And if you get bullied then it starts a domino effect where you're the outcast, where even girls dislike you, where your personality develops negatively because of all the trauma. Even without much physical violence, cause while I was bullied physical stuff was rarer after I was saved and sent to private school, merely being weaker makes you an outcast as a male. Only way out then is being a good jester, even I was a jester at times, making a giant fool out of myself, but it wasn't my natural predisposition so I guess I just chose to avoid people and become more and more antisocial.

Ohh and a bad frame makes being fat or skinny look even worse. I was both extremes, once even too skinny, and I look bad in both states.
 
There are 2 types of frame though. Absolute frame (the total frame) and relative frame (relative to your height, in other words your anthropometry, how wide your clavicles are, how big your joints are etc). I made up those terms but you get the idea

Absolute frame is mostly height. Someone who has the proportions of a framelet but who's 6ft6 will frame mog most men

You can have big relative frame but be 5ft6 and get mogged

This is why height is so important. Face ~ height > frame (relative frame)
 
There are 2 types of frame though. Absolute frame (the total frame) and relative frame (relative to your height, in other words your anthropometry, how wide your clavicles are, how big your joints are etc). I made up those terms but you get the idea

Absolute frame is mostly height. Someone who has the proportions of a framelet but who's 6ft6 will frame mog most men

You can have big relative frame but be 5ft6 and get mogged

This is why height is so important. Face ~ height > frame (relative frame)
Well, at least I'm not too short, that would be the cherry on the shitcake that is my life. Idk, maybe I'm 5"8 or 5"9. Measurements varied from place to place for some reason. On the rare occasion that I have to say my height I say it's 5"10. Still, not much help when you're bald, with glasses, with adult acne, with shit teeth and health problems and fat (I was skinny too and it didn't help, if I wanted to I could lost fat easily, don't see the point to), and other shit.
 
Well, at least I'm not too short, that would be the cherry on the shitcake that is my life. Idk, maybe I'm 5"8 or 5"9. Measurements varied from place to place for some reason. On the rare occasion that I have to say my height I say it's 5"10. Still, not much help when you're bald, with glasses, with adult acne, with shit teeth and health problems and fat (I was skinny too and it didn't help, if I wanted to I could lost fat easily, don't see the point to), and other shit.
Wrists are the best predictor of frame, I explained this in detail in the following thread (read it all, it took several posts for me to explain). If you wanna know how good or bad your frame is you can simply measure your joints. You can also measure your shoulder width too

 
High IQ tbh, I made a thread just like this a year or so back. Frame is of utmost importance, moreso than height or face. Obviously I have neither..
 
It's important but not anywhere as important as face. I saw a high-tier normie with a good frame cycling past me the other day and I thought to myself "Facially, he's already pretty attractive, but his frame really enhances it." I envisioned him skinnier and he wasn't as attractive. A face can only carry you so far when you're not a Chad.
 
skinny guy with good face gets pussy.
 
There are 2 types of frame though. Absolute frame (the total frame) and relative frame (relative to your height, in other words your anthropometry, how wide your clavicles are, how big your joints are etc). I made up those terms but you get the idea

Absolute frame is mostly height. Someone who has the proportions of a framelet but who's 6ft6 will frame mog most men

You can have big relative frame but be 5ft6 and get mogged

This is why height is so important. Face ~ height > frame (relative frame)

This. My frame is only saved by my superior height. But you have to mog the local popuation by at least 6 cm or 2-3 inches
If you are tall you can also be a bit overweight and still look better than a manlet.

skinny guy with good face gets pussy.

Being skinny does not = bad frame . There are skinny male models but they are at least 188-191 cm or 6'2 -6'3 feet tall and have wide shoulders.
 
Being skinny does not = bad frame . There are skinny male models but they are at least 188-191 cm or 6'2 -6'3 feet tall and have wide shoulders.

skinny as in small frame and low fat. with good face they get pussy
 
Wrists are the best predictor of frame, I explained this in detail in the following thread (read it all, it took several posts for me to explain). If you wanna know how good or bad your frame is you can simply measure your joints. You can also measure your shoulder width too

I can take my index finger and thumb and wrap them around my wrist and they can touch each other. And I'm even currently fat, though my fat goes to my belly and ass not to my hands.
 
I can take my index finger and thumb and wrap them around my wrist and they can touch each other. And I'm even currently fat, though my fat goes to my belly and ass not to my hands.
Unless you have super long fingers then yeah you have smallish frame, at least below average. I can do that as well without long fingers and i'm below average
 

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