Blackpill I see a lot of you are still coping: Sub8 Theory redefined

[Weightcel]

Whenever someone brings up Sub8 Theory people are quick to jump and say "Sub8 Theory is cope!!!!111!1", but this only tells me that a lot of you possess a fundamental misunderstanding of what Sub8 Theory is, so let's clear some things up.

Sub8 Theory has never been about only 8+ men can get laid, that's absolutely retarded. Literally one step outside of your house would disprove that, if that's what the theory was then it would have never gotten so popular in the first place.

Sub8 Theory is about a foid's reasons for being with you and whether or not those reasons are conditional. Women are only truly physically attracted to a small minority of men. If you don't have the physical attractiveness aspect, then you need to compensate with other factors. Those factors will, more than likely, be things that are conditional (living situation, ability to provide, status, etc.). Therefore if you're not physically attractive to foids (you're sub8), your relationship is based on conditional factors, and therefore the resulting love is conditional. This is the real Sub8 Theory. If a foid is with you only for conditional reasons then you're, for all intents and purposes, betabuxxing. Most men are betabuxxing in some way because they're in conditional relationships where there is no physical attraction on the foid's part.

People sperg out about the 8, but forget the 8 for a minute. No matter what number you want to say it is, the fact remains that foids only hold true physical attraction for a small percent of men. That's what is trying to be conveyed with Sub8 Theory. It's not that only 8+ men can get laid.

TL;DR The actual Sub8 Theory:
8-10 Men - Unconditional love, the foid is attracted to you
4-7 Men - Conditional love, no physical attraction so you had to compensate with something else (betabux)
<4 Men - Incel

 

[FlyFace]

It's always nice to have a refresher of a black pill.

 

[Izayacel]

high iq, for me that was obvious all along, the best looking guys dont need money and or status to back them up, they can be serial killers and or rapers and foids will still love them, well serial killers are loved regardless ( foids sees you as absurdly abusive and dominant ) ,
but looks is the real factor, height and face or sixpack and height

 

[Solitarian_Walker]

mogs me because white

 

[jet112]

i don't believe in the betabuxx theory. if nowdays a woman can make money by wiggling a dildo infront of a webcam, what makes you think she needs your provisions? this is absurd.
the only thing that matters is looks and height.

 

[Anger]

I still laugh at these copers who still want to looksmaxx even tho they are sub4, when will they learn they are hopeless?

 

[Getlooksordie]

yes, I agree with all of that.

However one important aspect is also the age of the woman.

A jailbait can genuinly be physically attracted to a sub 8 male because she hasn´t been hit on by tens of thousands of men yet.

For a 25 year old woman it´s impossible to feel physical attraction to anyone who isn´t 8+/10 because by the time a woman turns 25 she has literally been hit on by tens of thousands of men.

 

[UBERCEL]

ItsOVER gets unconditional love and he is 5/10
Depends on the location tbh.
rename it to sub8 SMV, it sounds more accurate like that.
itsover has 8/10 smv in SEA

 

[Unwanted]

4-7 guys can also get laid by NT maxxing

 

[UBERCEL]

yes, I agree with all of that.

However one important aspect is also the age of the woman.

A jailbait can genuinly be physically attracted to a sub 8 male because she hasn´t been hit on by tens of thousands of men yet.

For a 25 year old woman it´s impossible to feel physical attraction to anyone who isn´t 8+/10 because by the time a woman turns 25 she has literally been hit on by tens of thousands of men.

This, it's all about factors and smv.
Too many exceptions for this theory tbh

 

[Weightcel]

It's always nice to have a refresher of a black pill.

Yeah I know that this thread is basically just reciting the basic blackpill. The real point I'm trying to make is that people are shitting on the "Sub8" thing because a few retards have twisted it to mean that it's impossible to get laid as Sub8.

i don't believe in the betabuxx theory. if nowdays a woman can make money by wiggling a dildo infront of a webcam, what makes you think she needs your provisions? this is absurd.
the only thing that matters is looks and height.

Chad isn't going to impregnate a random jumpoff below his level. They still need to eventually settle down with someone close to their looksmatch so that they can have kids and a father who'll actually stick around to help raise them.

 

[Gokugetem]

i don't believe in the betabuxx theory. if nowdays a woman can make money by wiggling a dildo infront of a webcam, what makes you think she needs your provisions? this is absurd.
the only thing that matters is looks and height.

That's more like omegabux, only it's coming from multiple men. Men that would be better off if they were put down than they are living like that

Yeah I know that this thread is basically just reciting the basic blackpill. The real point I'm trying to make is that people are shitting on the "Sub8" thing because a few retards have twisted it to mean that it's impossible to get laid as Sub8.

Impossible? No. Far, far more difficult than ever before? Absolutely.

Between affermative action boosting women above men despite qualifications, and the governments becoming providers for single moms, and the sheer degeneracy and promiscuity of most Chads, then women have less reason than ever to "settle" for their looksmatch. If you aren't I'm the upper 20% of men it's a very uphill battle, even if you are willing to settle for a 40 year old used up hag.

 

[Deleted member 1252]

High IQ. Finally someone gets it. Admittedly Sub8 Theory is one of the more complex and challenging facts within the blackpill ethos, so low IQ copers are inevitably going to find it harder to understand.

Except it’s Sub-5 that’s incel, not Sub-4. This is 2018, remember.

 

[mylifeistrash]

A lot of this board thinks getting matches = guaranteed lays.

lmao

 

[Weightcel]

That's more like omegabux, only it's coming from multiple men. Men that would be better off if they were put down than they are living like that


Impossible? No. Far, far more difficult than ever before? Absolutely.

Between affermative action boosting women above men despite qualifications, and the governments becoming providers for single moms, and the sheer degeneracy and promiscuity of most Chads, then women have less reason than ever to "settle" for their looksmatch. If you aren't I'm the upper 20% of men it's a very uphill battle, even if you are willing to settle for a 40 year old used up hag.

I 100% agree with you on how difficult it is to get laid as sub8. I'm specifically talking about people who say it's absolutely impossible. People react to them by calling the whole sub8 thing cope because they never understood what it meant in the first place.

 

[Redpill Robert]

Call me volcel but fact is that since women refuse to fuck men they aren't attracted to (as they don't have to) men should be doing the same. Thirsty beta males trying to fuck hambeast landwhales several points below them is why we're in this situation. Personally I legit can't even get hard from those monstrosities. I really don't get it.

If all men stopped being so desperate women would start putting out for their looksmatches a lot more and stop feeling like they're "setting" for a sub-8 male I guarantee.

 

[Weightcel]

Call me volcel but fact is that since women refuse to fuck men they aren't attracted to (as they don't have to) men should be doing the same. Thirsty beta males trying to fuck hambeast landwhales several points below them is why we're in this situation. Personally I legit can't even get hard from those monstrosities. I really don't get it.

If all men stopped being so desperate women would start putting out for their looksmatches a lot more and stop feeling like they're "setting" for a sub-8 male I guarantee.

Men naturally have higher sex drives so they are more willing to go below their looksmatch. It ultimately becomes a question of which came first. Did foids get strict with their standards as a result of men being so thirsty and willing to date down? Or were men reduced to this level of thirst as a result of foids increasing their standards?

 

[Evildoer]

The real point I'm trying to make is that people are shitting on the "Sub8" thing because a few retards have twisted it to mean that it's impossible to get laid as Sub8.

There are lots of newcels not being able to tell apart memes and actual blackpill, people used to tell "it's over for sub 8" in ironic context, yet too many take it serious for some reason. Nobody actually twisted the meaning in the first place, because as you said, barely leaving your basement will prove that sub 8s can get laid.

 

[Weightcel]

There are lots of newcels not being able to tell apart memes and actual blackpill, people used to tell "it's over for sub 8" in ironic context, yet too many take it serious for some reason. Nobody actually twisted the meaning in the first place, because as you said, barely leaving your basement will prove that sub 8s can get laid.

You'd be surprised. Some people (like @Getlooksordie) think that the 80/20 rule is actually 99/1 in the modern dating scene for whatever reason.

 

[Getlooksordie]

You'd be surprised. Some people (like @Getlooksordie) think that the 80/20 rule is actually 99/1 in the modern dating scene for whatever reason.

go on your local Tinder right now or better yet go outside.

If 80/20 rule were true 1 in 5 guys you see outside would be chads and be worshipped by women. This just doesn´t match up with reality. Maybe 1 in 100 guys have actual male model looks.

 

[lifefuel]

"8-10 Men - Unconditional love, the foid is attracted to you"

This is another stupid fallacy that needs to die. There is no such thing as unconditional love and there ESPECIALLY is no such thing as unconditional love for a femoid. Even when femoids love their kids it's just a misdirected love for SELF, who they hardly even love!

If you think femoids don't get bored of or cheat on their Chads JFL.

Physical attraction is not a fucking panacea. Women are rotating polyandrists. The end. Their attraction and "love" has a very short timespan.

https://www.scribd.com/document/78417185/Rotating-Polyandry-and-Its-Enforcers

They will always get bored eventually. Hypergamy will kick in. Once they get a man secured they naturally wonder who better is out there. This is all used to justify the inevitable monkey-branch

 

[Weightcel]

go on your local Tinder right now or better yet go outside.

If 80/20 rule were true 1 in 5 guys you see outside would be chads and be worshipped by women. This just doesn´t match up with reality. Maybe 1 in 100 guys have actual male model looks.

20% of men are responsible for 80% of the hookups is what the rule is means...

This is another stupid fallacy that needs to die. There is no such thing as unconditional love and there ESPECIALLY is no such thing as unconditional love for a femoid. Even when femoids love their kids it's just a misdirected love for SELF.

If you think femoids don't get bored of or cheat on their Chads JFL.

Physical attraction is not a fucking panacea. Women are rotating polyandrists. The end. Their attraction and "love" has a very short timespan.

https://www.scribd.com/document/78417185/Rotating-Polyandry-and-Its-Enforcers

Unconditional love because Chad is paying for sex with something that is inherent to him (his genetics), as opposed to you who are paying with dates, money, or being her circus clown. I'm not sure if you're coping or not, but the point is that a relationship built on physical attraction will always be stronger than a relationship built on pure emotional attraction and/or conditional factors. ( @Ap0calypse)

 

[thePhantom]

This I can subscribe to.

 

[Deleted member 60]

all love is conditional, you retard. They only "love" Chad for his looks. Without that he is worthless, so it's still a conditional factor.
It's over as soon as Chad gets his face disfigured in an accident. You can find many stories like this on the internet.

This is another stupid fallacy that needs to die. There is no such thing as unconditional love and there ESPECIALLY is no such thing as unconditional love for a femoid. Even when femoids love their kids it's just a misdirected love for SELF, who they hardly even love!

If you think femoids don't get bored of or cheat on their Chads JFL.

Physical attraction is not a fucking panacea. Women are rotating polyandrists. The end. Their attraction and "love" has a very short timespan.

https://www.scribd.com/document/78417185/Rotating-Polyandry-and-Its-Enforcers

They will always get bored eventually. Hypergamy will kick in. Once they get a man secured they naturally wonder who better is out there. This is all used to justify the inevitable monkey-branch

this too.

 

[ThisLifeKillsMe]

If youre not very attractive you have to bring other things on the table.

Personality, looks, money, status nobody said tht it isnt like that.

The thing is a 15yr old average looking teenager is surely no betabuxx.

Thats why teen love is the only true pure love. (you missed out kys)

But averagies still experience still love, intimaticy and sex. It isnt like just paying the bills. Its building a future together while loving each other. In these times most women work too and are more independent, that the main reason sub 4,5 men dont get laid anymore

 

[Weightcel]

all love is conditional, you retard. They only "love" Chad for his looks. Without that he is worthless, so it's still a conditional factor.
It's over as soon as Chad gets his face disfigured in an accident. You can find many stories like this on the internet.


this too.

20% of men are responsible for 80% of the hookups is what the rule is means...



Unconditional love because Chad is paying for sex with something that is inherent to him (his genetics), as opposed to you who are paying with dates, money, or being her circus clown. I'm not sure if you're coping or not, but the point is that a relationship built on physical attraction will always be stronger than a relationship built on pure emotional attraction and/or conditional factors. ( @Ap0calypse)

Physical attraction based love is the strongest type of love and the least likely to fade over time and lead to a deadbedroom. Stop the cope.

 

[TheRealChincel]

There’s either an misinterpretation of hyperbole or guys are just mixing it up.

 

[KilluminoidBR]

Still wrong.

You only need to betabux if you are Sub6. 6/10 is the point where you start to receive IOI from multiple females.

And if you are 5/10 you can ascend to 6/10 just going to gym and getting a good shape. A good body gives you one more point if you are not 3/10.

The problem starts not when you are average, if you are average you are still able to get a decent GF if you put some effort on this. The problem starts when you are UGLY (4/10 and 3/10) or MANLET.

 

[CopeWithTheRope]

Legit. I've tried saying this on here but the copers just deny.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

Still wrong.

You only need to betabux if you are Sub6. 6/10 is the point where you start to receive IOI from multiple females.

And if you are 5/10 you can ascend to 6/10 just going to gym and getting a good shape. A good body gives you one more point if you are not 3/10.

The problem starts not when you are average, if you are average you are still able to get a decent GF if you put some effort on this. The problem starts when you are UGLY (4/10 and 3/10) or MANLET.

This looks most convincing to me. If it were a societal problem affecting everyone sub8 then there would be far, far more pushback from the population at large and this conversation wouldn’t have been confined to a dark corner of the internet, there would be more public discussion and incels wouldn’t be so reviled.

Legit. I've tried saying this on here but the copers just deny.

How is denying this cope though? No truecel expects them self to be able to reap the rewards from this, they clearly say it is for normies 5 and above. What is cope, however, is to insist that the majority of the population are suffering just like the incels, when clearly most people have healthy sex lives bar the bottom of the barrel. It’s like losing your legs then pretending no one else has legs to make yourself feel better.

 

[Vorbei]

"If you're sub 8 it's over and you should LDAR" is dumb as fuck, it should be obvious to anyone that pure, unalloyed sexual attraction is only for the select few.

 

[Kent]

Whenever someone brings up Sub8 Theory people are quick to jump and say "Sub8 Theory is cope!!!!l

Legit.

Not redefined but defined. Thanks for doing that. Never understood how people could be confused about what is actually being stated. Being an 8+ allows you to act in a certain way and be treated in a certain way. Being sub8 means you will have to do MOST if not ALL of the heavy lifting in the relationship (coincidentally probably with a fatty) and not be given any breaks.

If you are sub8 it isn't over its just probably over.

 

[Weightcel]

Still wrong.

Still coping. I said forget about the number

People sperg out about the 8, but forget the 8 for a minute. No matter what number you want to say it is, the fact remains that foids only hold true physical attraction for a small percent of men.

@monkeyman said this best, it doesn't matter what we call a 6 or a 7 or a 8.

 

[KilluminoidBR]

Still coping. I said forget about the number

What is the point of forgetting the numbers?? The numbers are only an exemplification of the objective criterion. Makes no sense.

And i repeat

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BETABUX TO GET A DECENT GF IF YOU ARE 6/10 OR 5/10 AND 5' 11"

 

[Weightcel]

What is the point of forgetting the numbers?? The numbers are only an exemplification of the objective criterion. Makes no sense.

And i repeat

YOU DO NOT NEED TO BETABUX TO GET A DECENT GF IF YOU ARE 6/10 OR 5/10 AND 5' 11"

Forget the number because people can't rate for shit. Sub8 is about whether you're attractive to foids or not, whether the number at which you become attractive is 6.5 7 8 9 doesn't matter.

Lol at the bold. You're basically saying a foid can be attracted to the average man, what an amazing cope.

 

[KilluminoidBR]

Forget the number because people can't rate for shit. Sub8 is about whether you're attractive to foids or not, whether the number at which you become attractive is 6.5 7 8 9 doesn't matter.

Lol at the bold. You're basically saying a foid can be attracted to the average man, what an amazing cope.

Can be attracted to an ABOVE average man, thats what im saying.

Or an average man looksmaxxed to above average. Or an tall guy with an average face who gets hallowed by his height.

Above average looks ≠ Chad.

 

[Ap0calypse]

Why is this post so controversial? If you really think you will get full unconditional love as a sub 8 you are sadly mistaken.
Didn't know this fucking forum of all places would be bluepilled. To get true love from a female, you need to be 8+ and tall. No exceptions. You can get a relationship as a sub 8, but she will always have better options.

 

[Weightcel]

Why is this post so controversial? If you really think you will get full unconditional love as a sub 8 you are sadly mistaken.
Didn't know this fucking forum of all places would be bluepilled. To get true love from a female, you need to be 8+ and tall. No exceptions. You can get a relationship as a sub 8, but she will always have better options.

Because like the title says, they're still coping.

 

[Redpill Robert]

Probably a mix of both I'd imagine. The sexual revolution allowed more women to sleep around without consequences so in theory it meant more men were having sex. Problem is as women are hypergamous by nature they were mostly only fucking out of their leagues; thus all it meant is that sub-8 men who were once practically guaranteed a decent looking wife were just left incel (way more men that never marry now vs then as well coincidentally) while good-looking men just got more sex.

At the same time media standards have been raised for men over the decades (look at what was considered a handsome man in the 50's vs now) while media standards for women have been lowered despite what feminists like to claim (fat acceptance and the like). So what used to be a good looking man is now just a normie; what used to be a hideous overfad hag now has hundreds of thirsty beta males blowing up its social media profiles looking for ANYTHING with a wet hole to get their dicks wet.

Higher sex drive in men plays a part as well obviously (part of why women even can fuck out of their league to begin with). But a little self-control can go a long way (fuck "nofap" I say "no fuck hambeasts"). Of course problem is you'd have to get a majority of men to wake up to all this which is damn near impossible. But that's why I'm all for the blackpill being spread no matter how.