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Serious I (partially) agree with Inceltears for once

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I agree that pornography can be unhealthy. It's a poor surrogate for actual intimacy and sex, it can indeed make you more miserable and lonely when you're already like that, and it does have a "radicalizing" effect on some men, like it did with ER himself. He wrote in his manifesto how shocked he was upon seeing porn for the first time.

But of course I disagree with various points. First off, as always, they mention poor social skills, shyness, etc, but don't address the elephant in the room which is looks. Yes, IT, I know some ugly men have gfs, but they're the exception and not the rule nowadays, and please, do me, us and yourselves a favor by not naming internationally famous billionaires as examples.

Secondly, men gravitate to porn because they are unsatisfied with their sexual lives. This is not only the case of incels, even normies, 90%+ of men have less sex and less quality sex than what they'd wish. No man would become a porn addict if they had a rich sexual life, but this is something only a very small percentage of Chads can afford to have, especially nowadays. I think women can't conceive how high the average male sex drive is compared to theirs. It's dozens of times stronger and we have much, much lower standards on average. We also get it going fast, some minor cleavage and we're already turned on and ready for sex, women don't seem to be like that (with the possible exception of a Gigachad appearing when they're ovulating or something).

Also, I disagree with the notion that porn is entirely fictional. People in porn are real human beings having real sex. If you look at countries like Russia and Japan, the amount of young women who do porn is VERY significant. Not to mention amateur porn - if you go to a site like Pornhub and search for some kinky shit you deem to be uncommon in "real" sexual relationships, you'll find TONS of amateur videos containing it. If you ask your good-looking male friends, you'll probably also hear accounts of kinky shit they have experienced with their partners. I sure as hell have heard accounts like that, sometimes with text proof it really happened.

Bottom line, it's the same as misogyny. No one here was born a misogynist, but rather became one after a long succession of bad experiences with women. It's not that we can't get women because we're misogynists, it's the reverse. And feminism DID play a gigantic role in lowering the quality of life of sub-Chad men in general, there's no way to deny this.
 
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Porn IS bad, I agree if that's the premises but I didn't read
Edit: I read it and I agree with some of it and porn being bad in general is true

Fun fact: the porn industry is controlled by Jews
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So pornography is bad if it used in place of a real woman, but what if you can't get a real woman.
That's like saying watching travel videos cannot take the place of actually going there, but what if there is no way you can travel?
 
agree, porn is bad, they should fuck me and not make me watch porn then, but of course this is not how it works, so their solution is probably make we overdose in soy like them
 
So pornography is bad if it used in place of a real woman, but what if you can't get a real woman.
That's like saying watching travel videos cannot take the place of actually going there, but what if there is no way you can travel?
Blaming incel men for using pornography is kinda like blaming a beggar for eating trash. You know, no one would do it if they had better options, but they kinda don't...
agree, porn is bad, they should fuck me and not make me watch porn then, but of course this is not how it works, so their solution is probably make we overdose in soy like them
Their solution is that we ignore that men have dozens of times more testosterone and much, much higher sex drives, along with thousands of times less options (in the case of incels, no option at all), and we all pretend these small biological facts are irrelevant and act like a life without either sex or porn is easy-peasy, being a good (soy)boy and not saying mean things about the billions of women who could WILDLY improve our lives with a simple action but vehemently refuse to do it.
 
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Yes, porn is unhealthy, because it's a weapon used by Jews to turn men into cucks.

So pornography is bad if it used in place of a real woman, but what if you can't get a real woman.
That's like saying watching travel videos cannot take the place of actually going there, but what if there is no way you can travel?
Wouldn't be a problem if foids were banned from being foids and hypergamy didn't exist.
 
The overall picture of it is pretty weird to think about.
 
Porn just shows you what you're missing out on, and that's what gets to people.
 
Their solution is that we ignore men have dozens of times more testosterone and much, much higher sex drives, along with thousands of times less options (in the case of incels, no option at all), and we all pretend this small biological fact is irrelevant and act like a life without either sex or porn is easy-peasy, being a good (soy)boy and not saying mean things about the billions of women who could WILDLY improve our lives with a simple action but vehemently refuse to do it.
And there is the fact that no matter what we do, not matter our copes, we will never feel like real men, I'm taller and stronger than the people I work with, but every time I'm near them I feel emasculated, I think this is one of the reasons why I don't impose myself, all because I was never a man enough to make a foid want to have intimate moments with me, to never be desired, it doesn't matter where I am where I go, my gymcelling, none of this matters, because I'm always the lesser man of them all, but the worse is that my sex drive is high as fuck, I'm horny all the time, even today I praid for no one to ask me to do something or to go get something in work because I was with a huge boner, I thanked the gods I could be sited there in my desk for 2 hours without no one calling me
 
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Whether porn is bad or not idgaf, it's the closest experience I'll ever get with a foid.
 
She acts like cheating and promiscuity only takes place in porn, and never in reality. However there are countless studies out there that prove she's wrong. Just take a look at the divorce rate for christs sake ...
 
And there is the fact that no matter what we do, not matter our copes, we will never feel like real men, I'm taller and stronger than the people I work with, but every time I'm near them I fell emasculated, I think this is one of the reasons why I don't impose myself, all because I was never a man enough to make a foid want to have intimate moments with me, to never be desired, it doesn't matter where I am where I go, my gymcelling, none of this matters, because I'm always the lesser man of them all, but the worse is that my sex drive is high as fuck, I'm horny all the time, even today I praid for no one ask me to do something or go get something in work because I was with a huge boner, I thanked the gods I could be sited there in my desk for 2 hours without no one calling me
If you tell that to feminists they'll say that "you're trying to meet the expectations of a patriarchal and sexist society, that every man must possess a woman or women, sexism is hurting you as well, etc". Which is utter bullshit, this isn't societal or cultural, it's BIOLOGICAL.

If this kind of thing were cultural/societal, things like most men having sexual desire for underage women would never be a thing, since our western societies abhor this kind of stuff, everyone seems to hate it nowadays, from bleeding-heart liberals to extremist conservatives.
 
I do too, in this regard.

Porn(ie anything that involves a dick in a hole or any sex) causes brain damage by decreasing creativity. It also makes you feel bad and makes it harder to communicate with women. Also noporn > nofap. I did noporn and I was able to fap to hot instagram chicks normally and later on still stay normal as opposed to watching porn, where I felt weak after.
 
If you tell that to feminists they'll say that "you're trying to meet the expectations of a patriarchal and sexist society, that every man must possess a woman or women, sexism is hurting you as well, etc". Which is utter bullshit, this isn't societal or cultural, it's BIOLOGICAL.

If this kind of thing were cultural/societal, things like most men having sexual desire for underage women would never be a thing, since our western societies abhor this kind of stuff, everyone seems to hate it nowadays, from bleeding-heart liberals to extremist conservatives.
This is what makes me fucking mad, it's okay for women to go out there fucking every chad they meet, using their radar(tinder) to fuck the best genes it's just nature and liberation, but a man dying alone, without never feeling wanted, with just sorrow and pain, now this is okay because...oh well who said for him to be a sub5? TEEHEE
 
If I have a decrease in self esteem and less motivation it's not because pornography but because foids treat me like a non-human being.
 
If I have a decrease in self esteem and less motivation it's not because pornography but because foids treat me like a non-human being.
I dislike the concept of "self-esteem."

I like myself. I'm not self-destructive, I'm not into self-harming, I want the best for me, I even believe I DESERVE things like a white, young girlfriend. I recognize the things I'm good at, I like lots of aspects from my personality, etc.

But I'm also a realist and I know for a FACT that I'm ugly and undesirable to women. If this weren't true, I would never ever have reached fucking 30 years of age as a virgin outside of escorts, after all the effort I put into approaching and interacting with women in all ways possible. Cold approach, warm approach, internet game, etc. On top of that I'm NT, have friends, lots of people like my companionship and personality, I don't say fringe shit IRL, specially to people I know wouldn't take it well, etc.

Then some psycho-charlatan would say "hurr you have a low self-esteem" if I were to tell this FACT to them.
 
I hate it too but its one of my only copes left
 
Finally pornography and it’s portrayal of women is a serious problem. Young men who aren’t socially engaged may generalize about women based on what they watch their porn.
Which is accurate if the porn star is Chad.
 
Porn is destructive and there should be a limit or ban put on it to some effect, but it isn't the reason why incels are a thing. Even back before there was porn there were incels who were never able to get with a foid. Porn has just made it easier to cope. Though I would rather see prostitutes banned first or banned alongside porn, since they would both have the same effect or making it hard to form bonds.
 
Though I would rather see prostitutes banned first or banned alongside porn, since they would both have the same effect or making it hard to form bonds.
I'm radically against banning either porn or prostitutes, especially if laws that put foids back in the proper place aren't implemented alongside of it.
 
What I hate most about porn is that it really is some guy getting rich off of incels trying to cope.
 
If some of us didn't have porn there's a good chance we would become serial rapists.
A ban on porn might be too much, but it shouldn't be as widely accessible in my opinion.
I'm radically against banning either porn or prostitutes, especially if laws that put foids back in the proper place aren't implemented alongside of it.
I think that should be a given for either situation. Though if prostitution would made illegal, all foids who were prostitutes should also be sterilized, since they would likely end up giving their kids shit tier genetics.
 
Males wouldn't need porn if females weren't hypergamous
 
I think heavy porn watching is typically a symptom, not a cause.
 

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