Theory I found a list of more traditional vaccines for covid (using dead virus). Maybe they're safer?

[Hoppipolla]

I was researching this and I stumbled upon this list:

Inactivated vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I wonder if these would be much safer than the strange mRNA vaccines and similar that we have in the West. Hm.

 

[Hoppipolla]

The best three seem to be coronavac, covaxin and sinopharm bibp.

I'd probably be willing to travel to somewhere else in Europe or whatever if it meant I could get doses of a truly safe and effective vaccine. As opposed to these ones we have here in the UK (pfizer, moderna, etc) that seem dicey and have uncertain effectiveness.


Edit -- I might have found a couple of others. Novavax and MVC both use portions of virus (I don't think it's actually covid itself though). MVC doesn't seem used much though.

Edit again! -- There is another interesting inactivated one here. Valneva.

 

[Hoppipolla]

It's worth noting though that like the ones that use portions of virus (subunit vaccines), the dead (inactivated) ones sometimes don't actually contain dead covid but just similar viruses that may well be synthetic.

I guess I'll quite happily take something like paracetamol and that's synthetic too. So it depends on the individual I think.

Usually I wouldn't research vaccines this much but like... I don't know how long all this infection drama is going to go on for (covid and maybe others too who knows) so I really want to understand so I can make good decisions!

 

[I.N.C.E.L.S. Boss]

I don't want to be inactivated

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

but just similar viruses that may well be synthetic.

They are used to carry surface proteins as antigens.

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

 

[Hoppipolla]

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Huh. Did they ever get anywhere on the HIV vaccine I wonder :o

It's amazing how long HIV has been around and we're still pretty bad at dealing with it.

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

Huh. Did they ever get anywhere on the HIV vaccine I wonder :o

It's amazing how long HIV has been around and we're still pretty bad at dealing with it.

Only broad antibodies can neutralize it.

 

[Filthy_Reject]

If you care about vaccines you're subhuman, never felt anything from covid no matter how many times they claimed the virus got stronger.
The deaths declined because the people that were meant to die already died

 

[Hoppipolla]

If you care about vaccines you're subhuman, never felt anything from covid no matter how many times they claimed the virus got stronger.
The deaths declined because the people that were meant to die already died

Isn't it nice to protect people from diseases though?

And why do so many people now seem to have chronic health issues... I hear it all so much where I live.

I think it's good to protect people but at the same time they need options and open debate, and I feel like both of those things are often lacking at the moment.

 

[Filthy_Reject]

Isn't it nice to protect people from diseases though?

And why do so many people now seem to have chronic health issues... I hear it all so much where I live.

I think it's good to protect people but at the same time they need options and open debate, and I feel like both of those things are often lacking at the moment.

the narrative changes all the time, first masks are useles just stay home, then if you don't wear the mask you're a murderer, then vaccines are to protect people naaah akshually they're to you chud!!
reality is people who need protection are like 1% and you can tell if you're gonna be one of those, worrying about this shit is a waste of time. Guarantee you most people who are so proud of their 10 thousandth booster shot wouldn't have suffer anything if they didn't even get vaccinated

 

[Swagpilled]

It's amazing how long HIV has been around and we're still pretty bad at dealing with it.

because they can't and don't want to control the faggots

 

[pixy.]

That's how most vaccines are made iirc. They make your body make antibodies for the real thing so it can fight it off without issue. Fuck taking a mrna jewccine

 

[Hoppipolla]

That's how most vaccines are made iirc. They make your body make antibodies for the real thing so it can fight it off without issue. Fuck taking a mrna jewccine

It's super weird how suddenly they need to have all the most bizarre vaccine designs possible.

Maybe covid is hard to vaccinate against, I'm not 100% sure.

However the vaccines seem pretty pants because yeah as I've said this year seems the worst by far in terms of sick people.

 

[NoLooksNoLife]

I was researching this and I stumbled upon this list:

Inactivated vaccine - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I wonder if these would be much safer than the strange mRNA vaccines and similar that we have in the West. Hm.

Fuck ur (((vaccine))), mang

 

[Hoppipolla]

Fuck ur (((vaccine))), mang

What so ALL vaccines are bad now? lol

You must have had vaccines in your life?

How can every vaccine for covid everywhere in the whole world regardless of technology behind it be unsafe and ineffective? That makes NO sense...

 

[NirvanaFan1988]

How can every vaccine for covid everywhere in the whole world regardless of technology behind it be unsafe and ineffective? That makes NO sense...

Trusting the system so much, naive, naive

 

[NoLooksNoLife]

What so ALL vaccines are bad now? lol

You must have had vaccines in your life?

How can every vaccine for covid everywhere in the whole world regardless of technology behind it be unsafe and ineffective? That makes NO sense...

Ideas so good u wanna make em mandatory, dont u

 

[Hoppipolla]

Trusting the system so much, naive, naive

Which system? lol

We are talking about countries with completely different politics - America, Russia, China, etc. They all have different vaccines.

I mean... why NOT try to develop vaccines against a disease that has a reasonable chance of harming people?

Ideas so good u wanna make em mandatory, dont u

No, lol

 

[NirvanaFan1988]

We are talking about countries with completely different politics - America, Russia, China, etc. They all have different vaccines.

Stop trusting the government/nation you sick cuck.

 

[Hoppipolla]

Stop trusting the government/nation you sick cuck.

So... you've never had a vaccine ever?

 

[NirvanaFan1988]

So... you've never had a vaccine ever?

Yes, but fuck getting a gazillion of them wtf are they thinking?
If you are getting shot once, it's ok I guess

 

[Hoppipolla]

Yes, but fuck getting a gazillion of them wtf are they thinking?
If you are getting shot once, it's ok I guess

Admittedly that is pretty darn weird. This is a very strange vaccine.

I mean, the different covid vaccines do work somewhat differently, both technically and from the perspective of the patient. Like some are just one initial jab not 2. And some are even by inhalation which I must admit I think is very impressive technology!

As for all the boosters... hm. I mean, I can think of two reasons why they might be needed, that would not be nefarious:

1) Covid keeps changing, so they need to keep up with all the new strains and variants and whatever

2) I don't actually think immunity to covid lasts that long. Some diseases it lasts ages but to covid it might wear off fairly quickly, which is a shame.

Of course if they can release boosters in an inhalation form that would be amazing! People could just pop to the pharmacy and inhale from a cup once every 6 months, lol. SO easy!

I know it's not NICE to have to do all this but so long as vaccines are safe and actually work then I think it's a necessary evil.

(sorry for the long post! I didn't plan on that XD )

 

[NirvanaFan1988]

it's a necessary evil.

there, you just have answered yourself

 

[based_meme]

It's a synthetic chimera virus that hits you like an aggressive flu. The media sold it like it's fucking ebola and people ate that shit up. With nearly a 100% survival rate for nearly 100% of the population, it's incredibly stupid to risk your health on an experimental drug with no currently known long-term effects.

 

[Hoppipolla]

there, you just have answered yourself

It's only an expression. Lots of things are "necessary evils". It's just something you don't want to do particularly but you have to do or the consequences of not doing it would be worse.

It's a synthetic chimera virus that hits you like an aggressive flu. The media sold it like it's fucking ebola and people ate that shit up. With nearly a 100% survival rate for nearly 100% of the population, it's incredibly stupid to risk your health on an experimental drug with no currently known long-term effects.

I used to agree but these days I hear SO much coughing and throwing up and all this. And this has been going on for ages so I think a lot of these people do have long covid.

Don't get me wrong it doesn't compare to things like ebola or smallpox but it's still far worse than the flu and also has a much higher chance of leaving you with lasting damage. Which means if you get it more than once, that damage can build up.

 

[based_meme]

It's only an expression. Lots of things are "necessary evils". It's just something you don't want to do particularly but you have to do or the consequences of not doing it would be worse.



I used to agree but these days I hear SO much coughing and throwing up and all this. And this has been going on for ages so I think a lot of these people do have long covid.

Don't get me wrong it doesn't compare to things like ebola or smallpox but it's still far worse than the flu and also has a much higher chance of leaving you with lasting damage. Which means if you get it more than once, that damage can build up.

The jury is still out on "long covid." It's hard to know who to trust and if it's even real. The effects of the supposed condition are things like memory fog and cognitive impairment, but those things could easily be due to the two years of isolation. The effects of that kind of isolation is detrimental on memory and cognition. There's evidence that regular socializing can help protect against decline of such things, so I'm skeptical that long covid is even a thing.

 

[Hoppipolla]

The jury is still out on "long covid." It's hard to know who to trust and if it's even real. The effects of the supposed condition are things like memory fog and cognitive impairment, but those things could easily be due to the two years of isolation. The effects of that kind of isolation is detrimental on memory and cognition. There's evidence that regular socializing can help protect against decline of such things, so I'm skeptical that long covid is even a thing.

My understanding is that long covid pretty much just means lasting damage from having covid.

I'd think this could happen with almost any disease of above a certain level of severity. Or even from another extreme event like taking an mRNA vaccine! heh

I have a neighbour who coughs loads and heavily quite regularly. I think around the end of December last year he had a bad case of covid as I heard him struggling to breathe and shouting and all this. He's only a young guy and was with his family at the time.

I also overhear another neighbour throwing up a lot and also have a housemate who regularly coughs, makes throwing up sounds and etc etc.

I have no proof that any of these are long covid but I do know that I never heard any of this stuff in 2019 or even I don't think 2020. Maybe not 2021.

To be honest bizarrely it feels like it's all started since about spring this year but maybe I'm misremembering.

This year has been very odd.