Welcome to Incels.is - Involuntary Celibate Forum

Welcome! This is a forum for involuntary celibates: people who lack a significant other. Are you lonely and wish you had someone in your life? You're not alone! Join our forum and talk to people just like you.

Venting I do not fit in anywhere—and I will never belong.

The Scarlet Prince

The Scarlet Prince

The #1 Ado Hater
★★★★★
Joined
May 22, 2024
Posts
3,942
Nothing much to say in this post. I just feel pretty bad right now regarding what I said in the title. I often get reminded of it, and it is probably the only thing in my life I have never managed to get over and continues to make me rather sad when I think of it. I feel like I'm a mess of ideologies and beliefs, and I know that no matter how much I try to be friendly and cordial with others, nobody sees me as belonging to their group.

I never really make negative posts, my apologies.
 
You fit in with us :feelsautistic:
 
You dont feel like you belong on this site? i know digital companionship or forums are no real substitute for IRL relations. But is better than nothing.

And for mess of ideologies, share em and i can help you figure out ways to make em coherent or less contradictory
 
You fit in with us :feelsautistic:
That is true, at least! That is why I will always consider you all to be my brothers. If there is one place that I can at least be glad that despite everything—would still readily accept me—it's here! I don't know what I would do without you all!
 
Don’t worry most people here feel the same way
 
You dont feel like you belong on this site? i know digital companionship or forums are no real substitute for IRL relations. But is better than nothing.

And for mess of ideologies, share em and i can help you figure out ways to make em coherent or less contradictory
Of course I do, yet still, I just wish that I could go outside and know that there were people who viewed me and knew that I was one of them. I lack a culture, and will always be viewed as an 'other.'

As for my ideologies that led to this feeling, it comes from the fact that I truly do love my country, America, and yet I myself am an immigrant here. Or at least, I have always personally considered it to be my country, although I know other people disagree and think I don't belong here, which is understandable. It's difficult for me to go outside and know that people view me as being this type of person, based off the very fair stereotypes, who is violent, stubborn, hedonistic, and individualistic. It also doesn't stop when I go online, either.

It feels like I have to preface everything I say with a complete denouncement of like 20 things just so that people don't automatically assume I'm debating in bad faith with them, or that I have an inherent disrespect for them. I'm categorized as being this type of person that I never want to appear as, and it's super demoralizing.

As someone who holds allegiance to another country,
As someone who sees the 'way of life' here as being 'incompatible' with my beliefs,
As someone who puts his own race before his nationality,
As someone who wants to erase the culture we've had here for hundreds of years,
As someone who is arrogant and prideful,

And so on. In the best-case scenario, someone might see me as having dual-loyalty to America and a different nation, which is blatantly untrue, but at least they think I have SOME loyalty. I have no other country, there is no where else I would want to be even if I did—America is my home, I have never seen it any other way.

How tiring.
 
Don’t worry most people here feel the same way
I don't doubt that. It's nice to share at least some commonality among people.
 
Of course I do, yet still, I just wish that I could go outside and know that there were people who viewed me and knew that I was one of them. I lack a culture, and will always be viewed as an 'other.'

As for my ideologies that led to this feeling, it comes from the fact that I truly do love my country, America, and yet I myself am an immigrant here. Or at least, I have always personally considered it to be my country, although I know other people disagree and think I don't belong here, which is understandable. It's difficult for me to go outside and know that people view me as being this type of person, based off the very fair stereotypes, who is violent, stubborn, hedonistic, and individualistic. It also doesn't stop when I go online, either.

It feels like I have to preface everything I say with a complete denouncement of like 20 things just so that people don't automatically assume I'm debating in bad faith with them, or that I have an inherent disrespect for them. I'm categorized as being this type of person that I never want to appear as, and it's super demoralizing.

As someone who holds allegiance to another country,
As someone who sees the 'way of life' here as being 'incompatible' with my beliefs,
As someone who puts his own race before his nationality,
As someone who wants to erase the culture we've had here for hundreds of years,
As someone who is arrogant and prideful,

And so on. In the best-case scenario, someone might see me as having dual-loyalty to America and a different nation, which is blatantly untrue, but at least they think I have SOME loyalty. I have no other country, there is no where else I would want to be even if I did—America is my home, I have never seen it any other way.

How tiring.
I understand the issue, especially since it is America where this sort of topic has been in the spotlight for decades at this point, and it is a highly emotionally charged topic.

i must say this seems more of a identity issue than necessary ideological. As such i would not be that much of use as a sparring partner for debates around various ideological thoughts.

But i do hope you found someone that is more suited for such a discussion than me. But it is a interesting topic, what makes one a true citizen of a nation.

Apologies if i dont provide the knowledge you might have hoped i possesed
 
I understand the issue, especially since it is America where this sort of topic has been in the spotlight for decades at this point, and it is a highly emotionally charged topic.

i must say this seems more of a identity issue than necessary ideological. As such i would not be that much of use as a sparring partner for debates around various ideological thoughts.

But i do hope you found someone that is more suited for such a discussion than me. But it is a interesting topic, what makes one a true citizen of a nation.

Apologies if i dont provide the knowledge you might have hoped i possesed
It's both ideological while also relating to my identity as a person. I just didn't really go too much into the ideological aspect since I don't want to alienate others on here, since it's not something I really like talking about, simply because I want people to view me favorably. Thank you regardless for your thoughts, I truly do appreciate it, really.
 
It's both ideological while also relating to my identity as a person. I just didn't really go too much into the ideological aspect since I don't want to alienate others on here, since it's not something I really like talking about, simply because I want people to view me favorably. Thank you regardless for your thoughts, I truly do appreciate it, really.
Yeah i see the ideological aspect of it. i just dont posses enough knowledge and understanding of the American cultural conciseness to give a more precise and relevant comment on your specific issue.

i can over a more general discussion around the topic if that is of interest to you.

Nationality can be a challenging topic, especially for such a young and racially diverse nation as the USA. Even before the US become a true "melting pot" there was racial tensions among the European immigrants. Just look at what the founding fathers considered "White", compare that to today and it gets even more funny.

Most nations base nationality on 2 metrics, blood and culture. Blood not really being that important until the possibility of long distance travel became a reality, since before that most other people one would come across would look similar, and as such absorbing a neighboring people would still produce offspring close enough to the existing population while maintaining ones culture. (just look at European history).

But now one can encounter people so different that the offspring would be unrecognizable, causing new issues as fear of losing one tribe or people because now there truly is something so clearly foreign. Now you can no longer absorb the opponent, it would fundamentally destroy a people, it would not look the same even if the culture was the same. Now race define a people along with culture, creating a inherent difference that cannot be removed/ignored.

In more recent modern times we have gained a new form of thought about nationality, the legal one. This new concept breaks with the older concepts, flat out ignoring it or in some cases mocks it. One can be a national at a legal level but still be excluded from the people for being different, causing a new issue. Now culture has become a term with so many different meanings that is just confusing.

This ends up making a giant mess of what makes a people and creates confusion. And most humans respond with anger towards confusion. Now reverting back to the older ways of looking at what is a people , now breaking with a the third way to define a people. Causing conflict among the groups that looks on nationality in diffrent ways.

TLDR: Shit is confusing and nationality means diffrent thing to diffrent people.

my thoughts are a mess due to lack of sleep and i can make a more detailed and more thought out text some other time
 
Last edited:
Same, man. Society just isn’t made for people like us. I stopped trying to fit in a long time ago.
 
I have this exact same problem when it comes to fitting in. Even when I try to be friendly and nice to other groups, they just don’t accept me or start a conversation back. It is just really annoying and depressing every time this happens, I think society as a whole is giving up on life.
 
Relatable, i don't even fit in here
 
I thought you were pretty good from when you joined if that makes you feel better
 
Nothing much to say in this post. I just feel pretty bad right now regarding what I said in the title. I often get reminded of it, and it is probably the only thing in my life I have never managed to get over and continues to make me rather sad when I think of it. I feel like I'm a mess of ideologies and beliefs, and I know that no matter how much I try to be friendly and cordial with others, nobody sees me as belonging to their group.

I never really make negative posts, my apologies.
you are one my favorite brocel
 
Relatable, i don't even fit in here
Screenshot
 
You don't want to join communities/make friends based off of your beliefs. It's superficial and ideologies are a cope. If you ever disagree with them on an issue, they will easily label you a certain way and single you out. Or if you ever change your worldview nothing will remain to keep your relationship intact. It even happens here with people getting called fakecels etc. You befriend the people in your environment - your extended family primarily. You can also try to befriend your coworkers/classmates but that might feel unnatural as humans aren't meant to wageslave, we are meant to keep to our own.
 
Aspire for the sublime silence of Nothing as i quench the need for comfort --My ideology

My rusted sword impregnated in Misery caresses my Head with wonders and Fake alleys --My belief
 
Don’t sell out who you are mate. You’re one of us
 

Similar threads

WeirdPanda
Replies
5
Views
272
universallyabhorres
universallyabhorres
Stupid Clown
Replies
9
Views
207
pizzamaxxer
pizzamaxxer
RegularManlet
Replies
7
Views
391
RegularManlet
RegularManlet
alopeciacurrycel
Replies
6
Views
382
Maikowski
Maikowski
currycell900
Replies
4
Views
352
GrandWizard_137
GrandWizard_137

Users who are viewing this thread

shape1
shape2
shape3
shape4
shape5
shape6
Back
Top