Serious How Do Ugly Sub4 Males Make Friends IRL?

[universallyabhorres]

Some sub4s here have mentioned having had friends in the past during critical periods of time like their teenage years and early 20s, how in the world can you make friends who want to interact with you, are not uncomfortable or disgusted around you due to your looks, and actually invite you to hang out with them and show interest in you. I am talking about people like @Ryo_Hazuki, who mentioned having friends and being able to hang out with them? How did that happen? I'm starting to wonder if you are genuinely sub4, because I never see ugly people with friends, a classmate of mine who is on the same level of looks as me is a good example, he never talked to anyone in class and couldn't find anyone to partner except me and he still did not want to interact with me beyond working together in lab. So, tell me what is the secret?

It looks like you need to be at least 4.5 to date a woman and a 4 to be even minimally tolerated in social setting. Just today, I had to work with people in group and one of the guys who's social and accepted is a 4.5 short Vietnamese guy. He kept asking everyone in group how their weekend was and making small talk except with me, he was avoiding asking that around me because he didn't want me to chime in or include me. Also, he avoided looking at me because he was uncomfortable. Even in the beginning when he asked me a few questions about myself he avoided having a long conversation with me but had them with everyone else. Before people say I'm weird, I am sure it's because of how I look and social skills are a meme beyond not going out of your way to act strangely.

 

[Animecel2D]

idk

ive never had friends before

 

[daydreamER]

They make friends with other sub4s or some exceptional normie adopts them or uses them as the group punching bag.

 

[Not a single word]

When you say "4.5" you mean total SMV? Because a 3/10 6'8 guy could have lot of friends.
There is no secret, if you have friends and you are low SMV... either you are lying or you have other low SMV friends.

 

[universallyabhorres]

They make friends with other sub4s or some exceptional normie adopts them or uses them as the group punching bag.

I have never seen them make friends before with other uglies, maybe it's also because I rarely see sub4's in public.

 

[Diddy]

idk

ive never had friends before

Really? You couldn't even befriend other irl incels?

 

[Animecel2D]

Really? You couldn't even befriend other irl incels?

i dont think other incels exist in my area tbh

 

[daydreamER]

I have never seen them make friends before with other uglies, maybe it's also because I rarely see sub4's in public.

You haven't seen them because they are hidden away in nerdy communities such as a school chess club or only bond by playing online games.

 

[Stupid Clown]

You don't

 

[universallyabhorres]

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When you say "4.5" you mean total SMV? Because a 3/10 6'8 guy could have lot of friends.
There is no secret, if you have friends and you are low SMV... either you are lying or you have other low SMV friends.

I actually don't believe height matters that much, if you are 6'8" you are freakishly tall anyway and it won't boost your SMV much if at all. Being tall and ugly just makes your ugliness more noticeable. I saw tall people in group therapy who were complimented on their heights, but they were at least average and short attractive and average guys were treated well too. Nobody ever complimented my height or said anything positive about me and I was avoided due to being ugly.

 

[universallyabhorres]

You haven't seen them because they are hidden away in nerdy communities such as a school chess club or only bond by playing online games.

What do you mean by nerdy communities? The only real places I saw sub4 people was at my university I even saw people who were disfigured and they were always alone when I looked at them. They probably had no friends at all. I have seen mostly average people in places like STEM classes which shows ugliness is uncommon and the more concerning part is I have never seen ugly people working at all in jobs.

 

[Diddy]

i dont think other incels exist in my area tbh

Not you're typical blackpilled incel, but someone who sub-5 and/or short. There was nobody like that in your area?

 

[Animecel2D]

Not you're typical blackpilled incel, but someone who sub-5 and/or short. There was nobody like that in your area?

oh yeah ofc

but even they managed to ascend somehow

 

[universallyabhorres]

Really? You couldn't even befriend other irl incels?

Are you @wereq ?

 

[VideoGameCoper]

Some sub4s here have mentioned having had friends in the past during critical periods of time like their teenage years and early 20s, how in the world can you make friends who want to interact with you, are not uncomfortable or disgusted around you due to your looks, and actually invite you to hang out with them and show interest in you. I am talking about people like @Ryo_Hazuki, who mentioned having friends and being able to hang out with them? How did that happen? I'm starting to wonder if you are genuinely sub4, because I never see ugly people with friends, a classmate of mine who is on the same level of looks as me is a good example, he never talked to anyone in class and couldn't find anyone to partner except me and he still did not want to interact with me beyond working together in lab. So, tell me what is the secret?

It looks like you need to be at least 4.5 to date a woman and a 4 to be even minimally tolerated in social setting. Just today, I had to work with people in group and one of the guys who's social and accepted is a 4.5 short Vietnamese guy. He kept asking everyone in group how their weekend was and making small talk except with me, he was avoiding asking that around me because he didn't want me to chime in or include me. Also, he avoided looking at me because he was uncomfortable. Even in the beginning when he asked me a few questions about myself he avoided having a long conversation with me but had them with everyone else. Before people say I'm weird, I am sure it's because of how I look and social skills are a meme beyond not going out of your way to act strangely.

Being NT

 

[Diddy]

Are you @wereq ?

Yes I'm his alt

 

[universallyabhorres]

Yes I'm his alt

How in the world did you get the mods to agree with having an alt? I thought that was against the rules.

 

[Diddy]

How in the world did you get the mods to agree with having an alt? I thought that was against the rules.

I'm their favorite

 

[anon]

They're all clowns.

 

[universallyabhorres]

I'm their favorite

Is this true @PLA1092

 

[PLA1092]

Is this true @PLA1092

I'm unable to say

Btw did you create an alt for a reason? Since if I'm not mistaking you for someone else you have an existing unbanned account here.

 

[Todd Thundercock]

Anyone can make "friends". Go to a setting with people who want to talk your head off. There's plenty of them out there.

If you want someone you can trust and confide in, fuck if I know.

 

[weaselbomber]

It looks like you need to be at least 4.5 to date a woman and a 4 to be even minimally tolerated in social setting.

Which social settings? You can find non-normies that are more willing to accept hanging out with someone uglier. It's not uniform, you know.

 

[ItsOverMan]

There's no such thing as "friends", just temporary acquaintances who use you for various things (entertainment, money, etc.) and discard you later.

 

[universallyabhorres]

I'm unable to say

Btw did you create an alt for a reason? Since if I'm not mistaking you for someone else you have an existing unbanned account here.

I deleted my old account and cannot login. Are you able to confirm if Diddy is Wereq?

 

[PLA1092]

Are you able to confirm if Diddy is Wereq?

He's not. Just messing with you

 

[VideoGameCoper]

How in the world did you get the mods to agree with having an alt? I thought that was against the rules.

Gullable.is

 

[lennox]

Try to look normal, however you can

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

Some sub4s here have mentioned having had friends in the past during critical periods of time like their teenage years and early 20s, how in the world can you make friends who want to interact with you, are not uncomfortable or disgusted around you due to your looks, and actually invite you to hang out with them and show interest in you. I am talking about people like @Ryo_Hazuki, who mentioned having friends and being able to hang out with them? How did that happen? I'm starting to wonder if you are genuinely sub4, because I never see ugly people with friends, a classmate of mine who is on the same level of looks as me is a good example, he never talked to anyone in class and couldn't find anyone to partner except me and he still did not want to interact with me beyond working together in lab. So, tell me what is the secret?

There is no secret. I never put "effort" into making friends, it all just happened organically. But I grew up in a very different world than you did. I was born in the 80s and grew up in a time period before smartphones, social media and the internet in general became mainstream. People were just more sociable back in my day.

You on the other hand are a zoomer. You grew up in a culture where everyone was hyper-introverted, closed-off, and terminally online.

Think of it this way. There are 2 people sitting next to each other on a bus or a plane who are both glued to their smartphones or ipads...but 20 years ago they would have talked with each other, found out they had common interests and potentially became friends.

This is just a bad time in human history to be interested in socializing (broadly speaking, but especially true for ugly males). Zoomers don't really go out just to "hang out" with friends anymore. They go outside when they absolutely have to (go to work, buy groceries) or to do a solo activity (usually gym). They see no problems living this way. They'd be perfectly content to never go outside if they could work from home and had a gym in their house. They'd be fine with just scrolling on tik tok, video games, netflix and posting memes on discord. The only extra person they'd really want in their life is a prospective gf.

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

I deleted my old account and cannot login.

You should be able to log into your old account now.

 

[universallyabhorres]

There is no secret. I never put "effort" into making friends, it all just happened organically. But I grew up in a very different world than you did. I was born in the 80s and grew up in a time period before smartphones, social media and the internet in general became mainstream. People were just more sociable back in my day.

You on the other hand are a zoomer. You grew up in a culture where everyone was hyper-introverted, closed-off, and terminally online.

Think of it this way. There are 2 people sitting next to each other on a bus or a plane who are both glued to their smartphones or ipads...but 20 years ago they would have talked with each other, found out they had common interests and potentially became friends.

This is just a bad time in human history to be interested in socializing (broadly speaking, but especially true for ugly males). Zoomers don't really go out just to "hang out" with friends anymore. They go outside when they absolutely have to (go to work, buy groceries) or to do a solo activity (usually gym). They see no problems living this way. They'd be perfectly content to never go outside if they could work from home and had a gym in their house. They'd be fine with just scrolling on tik tok, video games, netflix and posting memes on discord. The only extra person they'd really want in their life is a prospective gf.

Hey, I'm just wondering why my observations differ from yours. I see plenty of people socializing with each other in my college and in the group therapy program I went to which was full of mentally ill people all of them had friends IRL except for me. Now maybe this is an age thing they were all around 18-24 and they were all at least 4.5/10, but I just don't believe smartphones and internet lead to most people not having friends. Sure, they might have less friends and are slightly less social.

This also leads me to the question how it worked out just organically. Did you encounter negative treatment from friends, people avoiding you or not inviting you places or bullying you? I just have a hard time believing a sub4 male can be accepted and respected in a social group. I have
never see anyone that ugly with friends IRL.

 

[Doesitmatter?]

Jestwrmaxxing but you will never have real friends as a sub4 not even other trucels

 

[PersonalityChad]

By jestermaxxing

 

[WeirdPanda]

Jestwrmaxxing but you will never have real friends as a sub4 not even other trucels

Not if your friend is blind

 

[XtremeMax]

You don't

 

[Ryo_Hazuki]

I just don't believe smartphones and internet lead to most people not having friends. Sure, they might have less friends and are slightly less social.

I'm not saying "nobody has friends anymore" or even that the majority don't. But there seems to be A LOT more than don't these days, but some of them see nothing wrong with it. People aren't just "slightly less social" they're A LOT less social.

I don't think you fully understand just how radically different things were back when I was growing up. You weren't alive or were too young to really understand what was going on, so you don't really know.

Admittedly I'm on the outside looking in when it comes to zoomers, but most of my coworkers are zoomers, so i have more of an idea of what zoomers are like than the average guy my age. And it's very clear that your generation is extremely introverted and unsociable. Maybe it doesn't seem that way to you because this is "normal" to you because it's the only social climate you've ever known. But just trust me when I tell you that things used to be a lot different.

Did you encounter negative treatment from friends, people avoiding you or not inviting you places or bullying you?

Yeah. I've had friends who were normies/htns who once they got a gf, they didn't want to know me. In some cases their girlfriends didn't like me so they'd stop hanging out with me, then they'd go back to hitting me up everyday once their gf left them. There was also one time where this girl joined a friend group I was in and she just didn't like me even though i neither said nor did ANYTHING to her. I got pushed out of the group basically because they just stopped inviting me. All because my face was yucky. I've known other ugly guys where exactly the same thing happened to.

I just have a hard time believing a sub4 male can be accepted and respected in a social group.

The social groups where I was accepted and respected the most were ones that were all male and mostly incel.

Incels generally liked me the most, i've always been kind of a magnet to them.

 

[unborndegenerate]

Some sub4s here have mentioned having had friends in the past during critical periods of time like their teenage years and early 20s, how in the world can you make friends who want to interact with you, are not uncomfortable or disgusted around you due to your looks, and actually invite you to hang out with them and show interest in you. I am talking about people like @Ryo_Hazuki, who mentioned having friends and being able to hang out with them? How did that happen? I'm starting to wonder if you are genuinely sub4, because I never see ugly people with friends, a classmate of mine who is on the same level of looks as me is a good example, he never talked to anyone in class and couldn't find anyone to partner except me and he still did not want to interact with me beyond working together in lab. So, tell me what is the secret?

It looks like you need to be at least 4.5 to date a woman and a 4 to be even minimally tolerated in social setting. Just today, I had to work with people in group and one of the guys who's social and accepted is a 4.5 short Vietnamese guy. He kept asking everyone in group how their weekend was and making small talk except with me, he was avoiding asking that around me because he didn't want me to chime in or include me. Also, he avoided looking at me because he was uncomfortable. Even in the beginning when he asked me a few questions about myself he avoided having a long conversation with me but had them with everyone else. Before people say I'm weird, I am sure it's because of how I look and social skills are a meme beyond not going out of your way to act strangely.

autistic ass tried to fit in, ended up masking myself all my life

 

[fullofchagrin]

Eh I don't think men particularly care about looks, it's more so that there is a correlation between looks and social skills and charisma

 

[universallyabhorres]

Not if your friend is blind

The person sings really well, is it you? I loved that song and didn't know what it was called, now I found it on YouTube. Thanks for sharing.

 

[BSGMANLET]

They make friends with other sub4s or some exceptional normie adopts them or uses them as the group punching bag.

 

[Lazyandtalentless]

nt