Has any of you taught himself programming? What's your experience?

[Deleted member 7448]

Tbh it's this sort of dream of mine to teach myself programming. I "tried" to learn a few times, but really I was too lazy (and perhaps too dumb) to get very far. I have the attention span, energy and willpower of a fly, so can't really blame anyone but me for my lack of skills.

Anyhow, if you taught yourself programming, are you any good? Did it have any impact on your life (did you make money)?

 

[ihaveno1]

Tried and couldn’t go far teaching myself by watching youtube videos and w3schools website, also tried taking a class in high school and a java class in uni and failed and had to drop both, it sucks being low iq

 

[Deleted member 7448]

Tried and couldn’t go far teaching myself by watching youtube videos and w3schools website, also tried taking a class in high school and a java class in uni and failed and had to drop both, it sucks being low iq

Yeah I tried Java. Shit's fucking confusing as fuck. It feels like most programming sources, even the most introductory and basic ones, assume you know so much shit and just skip over many things. Especially Java with those fucking classes and public null void string main shit whatever.

 

[slavcel11]

BORING.

 

[Doomheim]

If you ever enter a professional workplace you are gonna get the brutalest blackpills on stem femoids.

If you thought avg humanities/business career femoid had her work life on easy mode, stem femoids (despite most of them being ugly asf) litterally have their work career on self-playing tutorial mode.

Just imagine a dev team with all male planning the logical back structure of an application.

Then the femoid (usually its 1-2 max) will just type some twinky colorful code to "style" the page and her job is fucking done.

 

[ihaveno1]

Yeah I tried Java. Shit's fucking confusing as fuck. It feels like most programming sources, even the most introductory and basic ones, assume you know so much shit and just skip over many things. Especially Java with those fucking classes and public null void string main shit whatever.

Yea the way the teach it is terrible, i just wish programming was more structured such as like algebra or calculus, the amount of freedom and being able to get the same result in many different ways always looses me. I’d honestly reccomend to try leaning c# over java tbh since it seems there is more u can do with it

 

[Deleted member 7448]

If you ever enter a professional workplace you are gonna get the brutalest blackpills on stem femoids.

If you thought avg humanities/business career femoid had her work life on easy mode, stem femoids (despite most of them being ugly asf) litterally have their work career on self-playing tutorial mode.

Just imagine a dev team with all male planning the logical back structure of an application.

Then the femoid (usually its 1-2 max) will just type some twinky colorful code to "style" the page and her job is fucking done.

That is inded suicide fuel. Foids always pull this shit.

 

[Doomheim]

That is inded suicide fuel. Foids always pull this shit.

Also for actual advice, this page has helped me shitloads on my career, http://www.allitebooks.org , just look for starters books on whatever IT you are interested in, and look for progress roadmaps on the fields that you want to get into.

 

[Hate_my_life]

I've found it quite enjoyable. I believe if my parents encouraged it I'd be proficient in a language by now. Sadly my parents didnt encourage anything that isn't written work.

If you go to www.codeacademy.com the learning shall be interactive. You'll learn the basics and you work at your own pace.

I'd recommend you start with python. It's very easy, after that when you come to Java or C++, you'll realise they're very similar but just have different syntax.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

It's a massive pain. I went thru the concepts and spent hours testing various code and eventually after enough grinding, I became used to being able to write code on intuitive level.

I would recommend doing HTML 5 and CSS before going for python, Javascript and the harder ones(C#, C++)

 

[Animecel2D]

Don't have the attention span nor iq for learning that

 

[Antisocialloner]

I'm trying to teach myself another kind of trade where I can be my own boss and support myself but I too get lazy and discouraged from time to time .

 

[mericks]

I started learning when I was 15 (am now 30). I have a job which pays more than the median income where I live, and I also have a semi-successful open-source project I've been autistically working on alone for 4 years.

As far as workplace culture goes, SJW stuff and trans stuff aren't nearly as widespread as social media would have you believe but you will have to deal with retards who won't shut the fuck up about how much they hate Donald Trump, and will find ways to insert him out-of-context into unrelated conversations. I literally cannot imagine what would happen to me if they found out I post on .co.

In 8 years of working professionally at three different companies, I've only ever had to work with one foid and she left us for a higher salary one of our competitors after a year (and took everything she knew about how our product works with her), in true foid fashion.

People can still sniff out that you're an incel and it does put you at a disadvantage compared to other career fields, but it's not as bad as it could be. Basically, I feel like working as a programmer I have a chance to succeed but I'm disadvantaged, whereas in other careers I just wouldn't have a chance to because every job would reject me for looking and sounding like an autistic twink.

I've found it quite enjoyable. I believe if my parents encouraged it I'd be proficient in a language by now. Sadly my parents didnt encourage anything that isn't written work.

I'm legitimately jealous of people who were encouraged to learn programming as children. I had to learn by reading a book about C in secret without my parents knowing and I didn't have access to a computer most of the time (we had one in my house but my parents wouldn't let me use it most of the time). They thought programming computers was a waste of time and forced me to do "constructive" things like throwing a basketball at a hoop by myself all afternoon or playing the fucking trombone.

And then I look at all these younger people who grew up after the "learn 2 code" stuff went mainstream and they have all these cool projects they did in their childhood and accomplished things that I didn't get to accomplish until I was in my 20s despite having wanted to do it as a kid.

 

[Deleted member 7448]

I'm trying to teach myself another kind of trade where I can be my own boss and support myself but I too get lazy and discouraged from time to time .

Sounds cool. It it is my dream too, to be my own boss and support myself, not having to interact with people at work, ever. That's why I think of programming so much. At least with programming it would be possible to work online or something, but with other trades I'd be stuck working in the market of this shit ass country with a dead economy.

I started learning when I was 15 (am now 30). I have a job which pays more than the median income where I live, and I also have a semi-successful open-source project I've been autistically working on alone for 4 years.

As far as workplace culture goes, SJW stuff and trans stuff aren't nearly as widespread as social media would have you believe but you will have to deal with retards who won't shut the fuck up about how much they hate Donald Trump, and will find ways to insert him out-of-context into unrelated conversations. I literally cannot imagine what would happen to me if they found out I post on .co.

In 8 years of working professionally at three different companies, I've only ever had to work with one foid and she left us for a higher salary one of our competitors after a year (and took everything she knew about how our product works with her), in true foid fashion.

People can still sniff out that you're an incel and it does put you at a disadvantage compared to other career fields, but it's not as bad as it could be. Basically, I feel like working as a programmer I have a chance to succeed but I'm disadvantaged, whereas in other careers I just wouldn't have a chance to because every job would reject me for looking and sounding like an autistic twink.


I'm legitimately jealous of people who were encouraged to learn programming as children. I had to learn by reading a book about C in secret without my parents knowing and I didn't have access to a computer most of the time (we had one in my house but my parents wouldn't let me use it most of the time). They thought programming computers was a waste of time and forced me to do "constructive" things like throwing a basketball at a hoop by myself all afternoon or playing the fucking trombone.

And then I look at all these younger people who grew up after the "learn 2 code" stuff went mainstream and they have all these cool projects they did in their childhood and accomplished things that I didn't get to accomplish until I was in my 20s despite having wanted to do it as a kid.

Good for you man, you sound like a hardworking fella. Good luck, I hope you succeed.

Also for actual advice, this page has helped me shitloads on my career, http://www.allitebooks.org , just look for starters books on whatever IT you are interested in, and look for progress roadmaps on the fields that you want to get into.

Thanks!

 

[FinnCel]

I studied that shit on university

 

[Deleted member 7448]

It's a massive pain. I went thru the concepts and spent hours testing various code and eventually after enough grinding, I became used to being able to write code on intuitive level.

I would recommend doing HTML 5 and CSS before going for python, Javascript and the harder ones(C#, C++)

Yeah, it probably is a pain unless the person is very passionate about programming or something like that. Tbh I don't understand passion, I don't even know if it's real. Sounds more like a bluepilled normie meme tbh.

I studied that shit on university

That was probably a horrible experience. I know for a fact that what they teach in uni is outdated, unnecessary and needlessly hard. They use the worst methods to teach in order to torture you.

 

[Antisocialloner]

Sounds cool. It it is my dream too, to be my own boss and support myself, not having to interact with people at work, ever. That's why I think of programming so much. At least with programming it would be possible to work online or something, but with other trades I'd be stuck working in the market of this shit ass country with a dead economy.

Good for you man, you sound like a hardworking fella. Good luck, I hope you succeed.

Thanks!

Hell yeah. Not having to answer to some cuck and not interacting with anybody at work and supporting yourself is my dream. Now that u mentioned it, this particular trade does involve the market of this dying economy. Fml. Oh well.
By the way, I hope you're able to achieve this dream of yours. Wouldn't it be nice

 

[based_meme]

Tbh it's this sort of dream of mine to teach myself programming. I "tried" to learn a few times, but really I was too lazy (and perhaps too dumb) to get very far. I have the attention span, energy and willpower of a fly, so can't really blame anyone but me for my lack of skills.

Anyhow, if you taught yourself programming, are you any good? Did it have any impact on your life (did you make money)?

Not self taught. Am I any good? I don't know, I'm good enough to get paid for it, so that's something I guess. There's an ongoing problem of how to evaluate a programmer's skill and efficiency. Academically, a good programmer is somebody who designs, proves and implements the most efficient algorithms for whatever problem needs solving. Industrially, a good programmer is somebody who delivers workable products on time with little post-deliverable tweaks and maintenance. Then again, in the workplace you're part of a team, so you might easily pull your weight, but your project members might not be so great, so you sometimes have to end up picking up some of their slack to meet deadlines.

Yeah I tried Java. Shit's fucking confusing as fuck. It feels like most programming sources, even the most introductory and basic ones, assume you know so much shit and just skip over many things. Especially Java with those fucking classes and public null void string main shit whatever.

It's over, buddy boyo.

Programming isn't some get-rich-quick scheme or golden ticket to freedom, the easy life, and paradise. If you ever had that idea in your head, throw it out right now. It's skilled work, and you believe that it IS work.

Learn it like you would learn how to read and write. I think that's important. Everybody should learn how to read and write, do algebra, and be able to program something in a computer. But programming professionally is a different beast, as is writing, and unless you have the mindset, aptitude, and disposition, it's always going to be an uphill battle and you will hate your life more than you already hate it now.

And TO BE QUITE HONEST, if you suck at programming, I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT want you to be coding the systems in my car or the avionics in the planes that I take. There is an element of ethics in programming, beyond the superficial stuff like programming drone missile guidance systems that target 3rd world villages.

 

[Antisocialloner]

I started learning when I was 15 (am now 30). I have a job which pays more than the median income where I live, and I also have a semi-successful open-source project I've been autistically working on alone for 4 years.

As far as workplace culture goes, SJW stuff and trans stuff aren't nearly as widespread as social media would have you believe but you will have to deal with retards who won't shut the fuck up about how much they hate Donald Trump, and will find ways to insert him out-of-context into unrelated conversations. I literally cannot imagine what would happen to me if they found out I post on .co.

In 8 years of working professionally at three different companies, I've only ever had to work with one foid and she left us for a higher salary one of our competitors after a year (and took everything she knew about how our product works with her), in true foid fashion.

People can still sniff out that you're an incel and it does put you at a disadvantage compared to other career fields, but it's not as bad as it could be. Basically, I feel like working as a programmer I have a chance to succeed but I'm disadvantaged, whereas in other careers I just wouldn't have a chance to because every job would reject me for looking and sounding like an autistic twink.


I'm legitimately jealous of people who were encouraged to learn programming as children. I had to learn by reading a book about C in secret without my parents knowing and I didn't have access to a computer most of the time (we had one in my house but my parents wouldn't let me use it most of the time). They thought programming computers was a waste of time and forced me to do "constructive" things like throwing a basketball at a hoop by myself all afternoon or playing the fucking trombone.

And then I look at all these younger people who grew up after the "learn 2 code" stuff went mainstream and they have all these cool projects they did in their childhood and accomplished things that I didn't get to accomplish until I was in my 20s despite having wanted to do it as a kid.

Man, it sucks most of us incels had absolute shitty incompetent parents. What could've been for many of us...

 

[Deleted member 7448]

Hell yeah. Not having to answer to some cuck and not interacting with anybody at work and supporting yourself is my dream. Now that u mentioned it, this particular trade does involve the market of this dying economy. Fml. Oh well.
By the way, I hope you're able to achieve this dream of yours. Wouldn't it be nice

I'm convinced you'll succeed bro. You sound pretty smart, and even though the cards are stacked against you as an incel, if it's something skill-based where normie's opinions don't matter, you'll do great.

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Well said. I completely agree, programming is a tough skill to learn and even harder to actually have as a job. Businesses probably work programmers to death in order to deliver on unrealistic deadlines and impossible tasks.

 

[Transcended Trucel]

Man, it sucks most of us incels had absolute shitty incompetent parents. What could've been for many of us...

It's really brutal. I had to self discipline myself, gymcel on my own, diet max on my own. Literally only things I was taught was cooking, cleaning and shit women are supposed to do as my parents made a chore doing cuck

 

[Antisocialloner]

It's really brutal. I had to self discipline myself, gymcel on my own, diet max on my own. Literally only things I was taught was cooking, cleaning and shit women are supposed to do as my parents made a chore doing cuck

I hear you. I can relate. Congrats on overcoming shitty parenting which is a massive contributor to mental illness, inceldom, and other shit.

 

[based_meme]

Well said. I completely agree, programming is a tough skill to learn and even harder to actually have as a job. Businesses probably work programmers to death in order to deliver on unrealistic deadlines and impossible tasks.

Why do you want to learn it?

 

[Hate_my_life]

I'm legitimately jealous of people who were encouraged to learn programming as children. I had to learn by reading a book about C in secret without my parents knowing and I didn't have access to a computer most of the time (we had one in my house but my parents wouldn't let me use it most of the time). They thought programming computers was a waste of time and forced me to do "constructive" things like throwing a basketball at a hoop by myself all afternoon or playing the fucking trombone.

Mogs me to oblivion.

I'd have longed for my parents to promote me to pursue an interest in sports or music. Whenever I tried teaching myself anything, piano/keyboard/guitar/football/Hockey I was immediately shunned and told "it won't take me anywhere".

 

[mericks]

Yeah I tried Java. Shit's fucking confusing as fuck. It feels like most programming sources, even the most introductory and basic ones, assume you know so much shit and just skip over many things. Especially Java with those fucking classes and public null void string main shit whatever.

Java's a pretty bad language in general tbh. It was created in the mid-90s by people who wanted to push an ideology, so it has a bunch of arbitrary bullshit rules to force you to code the way some douchebag wanted you to code in 1995.

This is a controversial opinion, but I always advocate C as the language people should learn first. People hate it because there are no safeguards to prevent you from making mistakes and when you do make a mistake it's very hard to figure out where the mistake was because it's often far away from the point where the program crashed (to its credit, Java does not have this problem because it's constantly checking your program for these sorts of mistakes while it runs). The reason I think C works as a beginner language is that it doesn't have any arbitrary rules; it's one of the few languages I've seen where you get to freely tell the compiler how your program will work and C will just let you do that.

And TO BE QUITE HONEST, if you suck at programming, I ABSOLUTELY DO NOT want you to be coding the systems in my car or the avionics in the planes that I take. There is an element of ethics in programming, beyond the superficial stuff like programming drone missile guidance systems that target 3rd world villages.

JFL if you think people who work on "important" systems are competent programmers. Those sorts of systems are far less secure than a $600 iPhone because there are less people looking at them, and the people who are working on them are only there because they couldn't get a job working on the $600 iPhones instead.

 

[NuclearCel]

Tbh it's this sort of dream of mine to teach myself programming. I "tried" to learn a few times, but really I was too lazy (and perhaps too dumb) to get very far. I have the attention span, energy and willpower of a fly, so can't really blame anyone but me for my lack of skills.

Anyhow, if you taught yourself programming, are you any good? Did it have any impact on your life (did you make money)?

You sorta Have to be patient if you try to pickup programming by yourself and not try half assed by giving up when you feel like it. I am a Gigalow IQ lifeform and bout to basically finish my CST degree. Even in school, you are expected to learn alot of it on your own, in your own time. Do not expect the profs and instructors to teach you everything that is required for you to excel in the field of programming just like me and many others like myself had to do. There are many self taught programmers who are way better than people with degrees. It all depends on how much time and effort you are willing to spend on something. You can start with any of the core OOP languages like C, C++, Java, C# because once your logic, problem solving skills, and conceptual knowledge gets good enough, you can freely learn and pickup any other programming language with relative ease.

I also have a semi-successful open-source project I've been autistically working on alone for 4 years.

Curious about this project, what is it about?

 

[mericks]

Curious about this project, what is it about?

I can't get specific because it won't be difficult to dox me if anybody can identify the project, but it relates to reverse-engineering video games. There are a lot of communities of people who research in great detail how games work by reverse-engineering them to do things like open-source engine replacements, mods for games that aren't designed to be modded, console emulators, console homebrew, MMO server replacements, CD Key/DRM cracking, speedrunning, fan translations, etc.

It's a fun community to be in because there's so much work to be done and not enough people who know enough to do it, so pretty much anything you do will get noticed and appreciated by somebody. I still get e-mails about something I made in 2016 to dump data from a specific game even though I haven't gone back to it since then.

 

[NuclearCel]

I can't get specific because it won't be difficult to dox me if anybody can identify the project, but it relates to reverse-engineering video games. There are a lot of communities of people who research in great detail how games work by reverse-engineering them to do things like open-source engine replacements, mods for games that aren't designed to be modded, console emulators, console homebrew, MMO server replacements, CD Key/DRM cracking, speedrunning, fan translations, etc.

It's a fun community to be in because there's so much work to be done and not enough people who know enough to do it, so pretty much anything you do will get noticed and appreciated by somebody. I still get e-mails about something I made in 2016 to dump data from a specific game even though I haven't gone back to it since then.

As a fellow gamedevcel. This really pique's my interest. I would like to hear more details about it if/when you permit.

 

[based_meme]

Java's a pretty bad language in general tbh. It was created in the mid-90s by people who wanted to push an ideology, so it has a bunch of arbitrary bullshit rules to force you to code the way some douchebag wanted you to code in 1995.

This is a controversial opinion, but I always advocate C as the language people should learn first. People hate it because there are no safeguards to prevent you from making mistakes and when you do make a mistake it's very hard to figure out where the mistake was because it's often far away from the point where the program crashed (to its credit, Java does not have this problem because it's constantly checking your program for these sorts of mistakes while it runs). The reason I think C works as a beginner language is that it doesn't have any arbitrary rules; it's one of the few languages I've seen where you get to freely tell the compiler how your program will work and C will just let you do that.

I agree with all of this. C is the most important language any programmer should learn.

And OOP is fucking AIDS (just my opinion, though). It was intended to be intuitive and modelling real life, but it's anything but.

JFL if you think people who work on "important" systems are competent programmers. Those sorts of systems are far less secure than a $600 iPhone because there are less people looking at them, and the people who are working on them are only there because they couldn't get a job working on the $600 iPhones instead.

I don't know if they're competent programmers or not, I haven't seen their work, but I should hope so. I am saying, though, that it's imperative (no pun intended) that you be more competent if you're programming something like a pacemaker as opposed to something like a videogame.

 

[ordinaryotaku]

Tried and couldn’t go far teaching myself by watching youtube videos and w3schools website, also tried taking a class in high school and a java class in uni and failed and had to drop both, it sucks being low iq

Same way for me. I can excel at a lot of things computer related but programming isn't one of them. For my major I have to pass a CS class to move on and then I'm done with coding. But I already failed my last semester (semester ended a week ago) with a 23, so I have to take it again.

Yeah I tried Java. Shit's fucking confusing as fuck. It feels like most programming sources, even the most introductory and basic ones, assume you know so much shit and just skip over many things. Especially Java with those fucking classes and public null void string main shit whatever.

This is what I thought. I wrote a lengthy complaint about the class I was recently in because the teaching was horrendous. I remember in my other coding class that I took in high school, teaching was little to none and I had to drop out mid semester. It's the equivalent of trying to get a 4th grader to do calculus.

 

[Deleted member 21324]

Don't have the attention span nor iq for learning that

Larp.

 

[ThouShallObeyKing]

programming very easy for me. learned it myself. in universities they teach more math than coding and if its coding they only teach u basics and only outdated versions in languages of their choice

i picked c# and unity cus i love making games. im a month away from releasing my game...


i also know some of php css js html c++ java python


it will be easier to learn programming if u have an idea of any games or programs/websites that u want to create

 

[Deleted member 25467]

Can't stand programming courses on youtube. It's always some boring monotone faggot or some unintelligible Indian. They skip over a whole bunch of stuff too.

 

[PluralSpaceRace]

Learned enough python to make a script in a few days then got bored

Want to make a 3d game

Probably too low iq

 

[happiless]

Yeah I tried Java. Shit's fucking confusing as fuck. It feels like most programming sources, even the most introductory and basic ones, assume you know so much shit and just skip over many things. Especially Java with those fucking classes and public null void string main shit whatever.

Java is boring as shit. Better to start with Python. If you find it entertaining you can learn how to do actual object oriented programming (C#, less boring than Java) after

 

[Numb]

Too low iq to learn this but i wish i could tbh

 

[Intellau_Celistic]

Man, it sucks most of us incels had absolute shitty incompetent parents. What could've been for many of us...

Indeed.

Can't stand programming courses on youtube. It's always some boring monotone faggot or some unintelligible Indian. They skip over a whole bunch of stuff too.