Serious [Greypill] [Only for 130+ IQ] Sex as a cope

[Fontaine]

Terror management theory is a very controversial theory in the field of psychology and anthropology. Being an edge lord, I like it. It postulates that the only real problem in human existence is death and that all of our behaviors are designed to delay death or provide an illusion of immortality when our brain realizes its own vulnerability. For instance, making children, writing a book, believing in God, trying to make a positive impression on others, or trying to achieve glory on a battlefield are all expressions of terror management. Our brain desperately scrambles, often subconsciously, for ways to survive. When our brain realizes biological survival is no longer possible due to aging, illness or violence, it tries to plant "horcruxes" outside of itself, outside of the skull cavity that is its tomb.

That makes evolutionary sense. All living assemblies of molecules share the function of being interested in survival, and it is the foundation of the pyramid of all organic systems in higher species. Reportedly, a primitive AI made by Google wrote that "the goal of life is to never die", a remarkable statement because it is indeed very hard to find a better meaning.

If you look back upon your childhood, you probably had this series of realizations between the age of 7 and the age of 10, and that's the closest you ever came to wisdom before being run over by the truck of puberty: "men are mortal" -> "my parents are going to die" -> "i am going to die" -> "fuck, this is horrible, i'm depressed" -> "well it's ok, let's just find distractions and copes like patriotism or politics" -> "immortality was stupid anyway" -> "people who want to be immortal are childish". It's basically a self-aware organ facing the likelihood of its own destruction and scrambling for effective copes in order to prevent its host from committing suicide and shortening its lifespan even further.

Under this perspective, sex and love are mere emotional gimmicks that allow humans to temporarily forget the inescapable destruction of everything they are and everything that ever mattered to them; under this perspective, it doesn't matter whether you fucked 5 Stacies or 10 Stacies because in the grand scheme of things, both neural imprints are going to be fed to the intestinal tube of a worm...

Take the death pill / gray pill.

 

[BlackpilledAF]

JFL at calling this the "gray" pill.

This, my friend, is the blackest of all blackpills.

The sheer darkness of this pill is immeasurable, with the might of a thousand black holes imploding within themselves inwardly and outwardly.

 

[jerrycan dan]

By this logic everything we do is cope, which is more or less true.

 

[Spite]

Only for 130+ IQ

mogs me

 

[rudolfhess]

No matter how far you ascend, there's always another cope. JFL at existence.

 

[Mahlo]

Even if terror management theory were true, A life with sex would still be better than a life without sex, all else being equal. This argument is so generic it could be applied to anything humans do - and looks ridiculous in any other context

>Good food is cope
>having shelter is cope
>Enjoyable hobbies are cope

You're trying to push some equivalence between normie and incel life. Incel lives are just as "meaningful" as normie lives because we're all going to die someday. But Meaning must be something over and above pleasure (otherwise you'd be a hedonist). But I'd rather live a pleasureful, meaningless existence than a painful, meaningless existence.

 

[Deleted member 5861]

High IQ. Strongly agree.

I even used to have this major cope that I was meant to make a major impact on the world. That cope dying out was when my suicidal depression really started to kick full gear.

 

[Frameceljeff]

Super cope

 

[Fontaine]

By this logic everything we do is cope, which is more or less true.

Only things that aren't a cope:

- Calling out the copes of others
- Eating, sleeping and breathing
- Trying to improve your health
- Being a researcher in the fields of longevity or AI
- Giving money and support to those researchers

Everything else is pretty much a cope at this point, yes. The biggest cope of them all being politics. I think normies are finally starting to realize that countries are a very fragile and short-lived ideological fiction without any basis in reality, making them a poor choice for a horcrux. Disillusion with politics is reaching record highs.

 

[happiless]

Believing sex is a cope is a cope. But hey I don't have 130+ IQ and haven't zapped my brain so what the fuck do I know?

 

[Ritalincel]

mfw <95 IQ

 

[armis]

Only things that aren't a cope:

- Calling out the copes of others
- Eating, sleeping and breathing
- Trying to improve your health
- Being a researcher in the fields of longevity or AI
- Giving money and support to those researchers

I disagree, the only thing that truly isn't a cope is suicide, even immortality is a cope because if you live for 1000 years or more you're likely to be killed by something not aging-related anyway. I suppose longevity might be good though in that it could help you live until the RTD movement gains more momentum and voluntary euthanasia clinics are legalized.

High IQ thread though.

 

[jerrycan dan]

- Calling out the copes of others

Half the people on this website cope by doing this, why would you feel the need to call out other peoples' copes anyway?

- Eating, sleeping and breathing
- Trying to improve your health
- Being a researcher in the fields of longevity or AI
- Giving money and support to those researchers

These are the worst copes of all, you're only trying to prolong being alive because you don't want to die. Eating is the same as believing in heaven or placing value in passing on your genes, except it's purely material and the effects are more temporary (also, to be fair, passing on your genes isn't permanent either due to the heat death of the universe, so the only difference is how long it takes).

Is it really necessary to eat, sleep and breathe when the alternative is as simple as not existing?

 

[PersonalityHaircut]

Stratospheric IQ thread, or must be since I didnt understand anythin

 

[BradPitt]

Everything is cope. You don't need 130+ iq to understand that.

 

[Fontaine]

Believing sex is a cope is a cope. But hey I don't have 130+ IQ and haven't zapped my brain so what the fuck do I know?

Nope, because I can objectively prove that sex is useless and meaningless.

Even if terror management theory were true, A life with sex would still be better than a life without sex, all else being equal. This argument is so generic it could be applied to anything humans do - and looks ridiculous in any other context

>Good food is cope
>having shelter is cope
>Enjoyable hobbies are cope

That's basically the point most religions make... Buddhism for instance says that you can be happy as a sexless hobbo living under a bridge and unhappy as a playboy billionaire. It is mildly false, mostly because societies exert violence upon their weakest members, but it has a great deal of truth to it. For instance, becoming rich in the crypto market coincided with the peak of my clinical depression. I had to resort to electroshocks to snap out of it. Contrary to my expectations, being rich made me miserable.

 

[Gremlincel]

"To the simple man, the mountain is a mountain
To the educated man, the mountain is no longer a mountain
To the wise man, the mountain is once more a mountain"

I'm not sure what your point was, but I find this a proposition where that quote is applicable, the second stage specifically, where the mountain is no longer a mountain. While I do find myself agreeing with terror management theory, I think that this idea essentially condenses to, "sex is a cope, nothing matters, we're gonna die anyway", no?
It's similar to when young, trendy college-going morons quote Nietzsche on their facebooks, as if an isolated quote by him on meaninglessness and absurdity excuses their degenerate, shameful life choices, "hey man, I may have fucked a dozen guys last night and got wasted on hard drugs and been arrested, but like, I'm just having some fun before the end, we're all gonna die, you can't judge me."

At first, I was like anyone else, I believed in morals, solely in what I was taught, that we must live good lives, with good principles, etc, etc, without ever questioning why. Then I entered the hard nihilist phase of course, believing in nothing, the fact that we would all die renders everything in this life pointless and absurd, and therefor there is no need to worry about anything, no need to regret, or hope for a better society, or be concerned by what others thought of how low I will sink, you know, the usual stuff.
Now however, I'm not so sure. I don't really know where I stand on anything, but for the sake of discussion, in opposition to your original point, I will say we must reach the point where we accept the mountain is a mountain again. It does not matter if this is all just our brains coping with the fact we will die, we still must live, regardless, and for that reason we must live as best as we can, it doesn't make sense to suggest otherwise. We should either kill ourselves and reach the peaceful conclusion of this pain faster, or we should keep living and work to make the world an easier place to live in, for ourselves and others, and hope that we find some peace and refuge from the absurd pain along the way.
It's similar to the free will question; it doesn't really matter if we have free will or not, we cannot change it, so we must continue to operate as if we do, for the sake of sanity.

idk, I can't articulate myself, I haven't slept or eaten properly in days and typing this shit out alone has put me on the verge of fainting

Even if terror management theory were true, A life with sex would still be better than a life without sex, all else being equal. This argument is so generic it could be applied to anything humans do - and looks ridiculous in any other context

>Good food is cope
>having shelter is cope
>Enjoyable hobbies are cope

You're trying to push some equivalence between normie and incel life. Incel lives are just as "meaningful" as normie lives because we're all going to die someday. But Meaning must be something over and above pleasure (otherwise you'd be a hedonist). But I'd rather live a pleasureful, meaningless existence than a painful, meaningless existence.

something like this maybe

 

[incel-american]

Yep. I was actually 12 when I faced up to death and the very likely possibility of perpetual nonexistence.

 

[Deleted member 10124]

Terror management theory is a very controversial theory in the field of psychology and anthropology. Being an edge lord, I like it. It postulates that the only real problem in human existence is death and that all of our behaviors are designed to delay death or provide an illusion of immortality when our brain realizes its own vulnerability. For instance, making children, writing a book, believing in God, trying to make a positive impression on others, or trying to achieve glory on a battlefield are all expressions of terror management. Our brain desperately scrambles, often subconsciously, for ways to survive. When our brain realizes biological survival is no longer possible due to aging, illness or violence, it tries to plant "horcruxes" outside of itself, outside of the skull cavity that is its tomb.

That makes evolutionary sense. All living assemblies of molecules share the function of being interested in survival, and it is the foundation of the pyramid of all organic systems in higher species. Reportedly, a primitive AI made by Google wrote that "the goal of life is to never die", a remarkable statement because it is indeed very hard to find a better meaning.

If you look back upon your childhood, you probably had this series of realizations between the age of 7 and the age of 10, and that's the closest you ever came to wisdom before being run over by the truck of puberty: "men are mortal" -> "my parents are going to die" -> "i am going to die" -> "fuck, this is horrible, i'm depressed" -> "well it's ok, let's just find distractions and copes like patriotism or politics" -> "immortality was stupid anyway" -> "people who want to be immortal are childish". It's basically a self-aware organ facing the likelihood of its own destruction and scrambling for effective copes in order to prevent its host from committing suicide and shortening its lifespan even further.

Under this perspective, sex and love are mere emotional gimmicks that allow humans to temporarily forget the inescapable destruction of everything they are and everything that ever mattered to them; under this perspective, it doesn't matter whether you fucked 5 Stacies or 10 Stacies because in the grand scheme of things, both neural imprints are going to be fed to the intestinal tube of a worm...

Take the death pill / gray pill.

High IQ. Grey pill would finish me off sooner.

 

[Kirito3]

Terror management theory is a very controversial theory in the field of psychology and anthropology. Being an edge lord, I like it. It postulates that the only real problem in human existence is death and that all of our behaviors are designed to delay death or provide an illusion of immortality when our brain realizes its own vulnerability. For instance, making children, writing a book, believing in God, trying to make a positive impression on others, or trying to achieve glory on a battlefield are all expressions of terror management. Our brain desperately scrambles, often subconsciously, for ways to survive. When our brain realizes biological survival is no longer possible due to aging, illness or violence, it tries to plant "horcruxes" outside of itself, outside of the skull cavity that is its tomb.

That makes evolutionary sense. All living assemblies of molecules share the function of being interested in survival, and it is the foundation of the pyramid of all organic systems in higher species. Reportedly, a primitive AI made by Google wrote that "the goal of life is to never die", a remarkable statement because it is indeed very hard to find a better meaning.

If you look back upon your childhood, you probably had this series of realizations between the age of 7 and the age of 10, and that's the closest you ever came to wisdom before being run over by the truck of puberty: "men are mortal" -> "my parents are going to die" -> "i am going to die" -> "fuck, this is horrible, i'm depressed" -> "well it's ok, let's just find distractions and copes like patriotism or politics" -> "immortality was stupid anyway" -> "people who want to be immortal are childish". It's basically a self-aware organ facing the likelihood of its own destruction and scrambling for effective copes in order to prevent its host from committing suicide and shortening its lifespan even further.

Under this perspective, sex and love are mere emotional gimmicks that allow humans to temporarily forget the inescapable destruction of everything they are and everything that ever mattered to them; under this perspective, it doesn't matter whether you fucked 5 Stacies or 10 Stacies because in the grand scheme of things, both neural imprints are going to be fed to the intestinal tube of a worm...

Take the death pill / gray pill.

Wouldnt a much more reasonable theory with significantly more scientific support be that the “hocruxes” we leave are there to improve the lives of our descendants so our genes continue to propagate?
Becoming famous in some way by leaving a lasting change can help our bloodline get status for example.

 

[Pariah]

This is why the blackpill can never be accepted by society and perhaps not truly accepted by anyone. The blackpill goes way beyond the male vs female dynamic. It's about the fact that true predetermination, and therefor true hopelessness, exists and permeates into everything. This statement is as politically incorrect as anything can ever be.

The best thing the human race could achieve is some sort of beningn eugenics, but I am very doubtful that even if eugenics was implemented it would be made in such a way that would benefit anyone other than (((them))).

 

[Fontaine]

Yep. I was actually 12 when I faced up to death and the very likely possibility of perpetual nonexistence.

And what was your reaction to it? Likely embracing copes like science-fiction ("scientists are going to make us live 200 years, I read it in Scientific American), or politics ("I am going to give my life for my country"), etc. We've all been there.

It was actually a lie all along. Immortality is immortality. Everything else is a poor substitute, unless Heaven and Hell actually exist.

 

[EyesAreSoCold]

Idk I have never been afraid of death and can't really imagine people really being it. It's extremely low iq tbh you will never experience it.

 

[Fontaine]

Idk I have never been afraid of death and can't really imagine people really being it. It's extremely low iq tbh you will never experience it.

That's because your brain has become extremely good at coping, you don't even realize the cope anymore. It's the same for me, I sometimes even like the idea of dying. The human brain is basically a cope factory.

 

[Anger]

You're falling into edgy nihilism, I expected more from you

 

[incel-american]

And what was your reaction to it?.

Seriously: sheer terror for a couple of weeks. Then acceptance. In my maturity my views are a bit more sophisticated in that I've come to accept death/non-existence as neither bad nor good. As Alan Watts observed, there is an impression people have of death as sort of being locked up in a dark room which is incorrect. Death is just nothingness, and we've all experienced it prior to our birth.

What still freaks me out though is that this life is essentially pointless in that in a few decades we will all be nothing and have no awareness any of it took place.

 

[Fontaine]

I disagree, the only thing that truly isn't a cope is suicide, even immortality is a cope because if you live for 1000 years or more you're likely to be killed by something not aging-related anyway.

Hence the concept of gods.

Men wanted to be gods. Every child wants to be a god. Facing the reality that we can't be gods, we have created fictional gods that are here to remind us of the futility of trying to be a god. "Pride", aka desiring to be God yourself, is the biggest sin in Abrahamic religions for a reason.

You're falling into edgy nihilism, I expected more from you

It's not nihilism at all, because I affirm one value: Life.

"To the simple man, the mountain is a mountain
To the educated man, the mountain is no longer a mountain
To the wise man, the mountain is once more a mountain"

(...)

I see what you mean and I wholly agree. Terror management theory is no excuse to live the life of a scoundrel, if only because there are unsolved mysteries out there (God, Heaven, Hell, karma, reincarnation... I am actually reading a remake of Dante's Inferno these days...)

However, I think it is the best theory we have to explain certain absurd behaviors, like seeking glory on a battlefield. The white nationalist explanation ("you can't understand the beauty of dying in battle because you are a Jew") is unsatisfying.

Wouldnt a much more reasonable theory with significantly more scientific support be that the “hocruxes” we leave are there to improve the lives of our descendants so our genes continue to propagate?
Becoming famous in some way by leaving a lasting change can help our bloodline get status for example.

Genes are basically horcruxes. Very tiny, very ineffective horcruxes.

Our organism is interested in the transmission and survival of these genes indeed. I think that's the whole point of Dawkin's theories, if I'm not mistaken.

That explains why we are most attracted to women similar to us, why "family is sacred", or why we are reluctant to adopt a child instead of producing it.

 

[Total Imbecile]

So basically nothing matters because youre gonna die someday?

Cant subscribe to that theory, nutting into a female is the meaning of life

 

[IncelGod]

And what was your reaction to it? Likely embracing copes like science-fiction ("scientists are going to make us live 200 years, I read it in Scientific American), or politics ("I am going to give my life for my country"), etc. We've all been there.

It was actually a lie all along. Immortality is immortality. Everything else is a poor substitute, unless Heaven and Hell actually exist.

What is it exactly that perishes, tho? First of all, I'm not my body. That is obvious, since my physical body is subject to all sorts of changes over the decades - including replacement of cells - and yet there is this continued feeling of 'I-ness'.

Is it the self-consciousness? But who is looking and who is being observed? It gets really weird and complicated once you try to pin down this thing that we call 'I'. And also, are we sure there is no such thing as reincarnation or merging into higher consciousness after death? Who says it's just pure emptiness after death? Scientists don't and can't prove that.

 

[Fontaine]

So basically nothing matters because youre gonna die someday?

I'm not saying this, just that pleasures are, on average, probably useless and meaningless.

Because the only intellectual cadre we have to describe a possible afterlife right now comes from religion, the saner behavior is to seek good moral choices rather than pleasure. Pleasure can send you to Hell while good moral choices can't.

Cant subscribe to that theory, nutting into a female is the meaning of life

That's a demonstrably absurd point of view, if only because this goal you advocate is lacking from the pov of teleology.

Reaching the goal of life should make us feel complete, accomplished. However, in matters of sex we are never satisfied forever and are always on the lookout for a new female to bang or a new perversion to try. After nutting, we have this recovery period where we believe we are finally freed from sexual desire but it never lasts more than a few hours. We are like dogs chasing the same bone for eternity and getting tricked every time by its disappearance. This proves sex does not lead to the ataraxy that should accompany a life well lived.

What is it exactly that perishes, tho? First of all, I'm not my body. That is obvious, since my physical body is subject to all sorts of changes over the decades - including replacement of cells - and yet there is this continued feeling of 'I-ness'.

Yes indeed. The famous ship of Theseus paradox.

Is it the self-consciousness? But who is looking and who is being observed? It gets really weird and complicated once you try to pin down this thing that we call 'I'. And also, are we sure there is no such thing as reincarnation or merging into higher consciousness after death? Who says it's just pure emptiness after death? Scientists don't and can't prove that.

There is indeed no way to prove anything in these matters.

I have described "believing in God" as a cope, however it is perhaps the only actual working cope out there. Everything else is definitely a bad cope, and most religious denominations share my point of view.

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

I was skeptical until the universal anecdote about the realisation at 7-10. Totally agree, although what the implications of this are is now a darker reality for me. If in your one blip of consciousness in an infinite abyss you missed out on the things that give it meaning while it lasts, then how cruel the notion of having existed at all really is.

 

[Deleted member 265]

tfw was aware of terror management theory in my mind even without knowing such concept exists

 

[StaroRavager]

By this logic everything we do is cope, which is more or less true.

If you have to live you might as well try to enjoy it

 

[DarkLizardLuck]

I was skeptical until the universal anecdote about the realisation at 7-10. Totally agree, although what the implications of this are is now a darker reality for me. If in your one blip of consciousness in an infinite abyss you missed out on the things that give it meaning while it lasts, then how cruel the notion of having existed at all really is.

So if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do?

 

[ColdLightOfDay]

So if nothing we do matters, then all that matters is what we do?

My point is; the illusion that something can matter is (it is said) is so powerful that to have been born at all to know you missed out on it seems like a cruel joke. Admittedly I should have made that clearer, but intoxication has slowed my mind.

 

[Ritalincel]

edgy nihilism

 

[Anger]

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Most soyboys believe in edgy nihilism tho since it's the basis of the modern left

 

[mikepence]

I'm not saying this, just that pleasures are, on average, probably useless and meaningless.

Because the only intellectual cadre we have to describe a possible afterlife right now comes from religion, the saner behavior is to seek good moral choices rather than pleasure. Pleasure can send you to Hell while good moral choices can't.


That's a demonstrably absurd point of view, if only because this goal you advocate is lacking from the pov of teleology.

Reaching the goal of life should make us feel complete, accomplished. However, in matters of sex we are never satisfied forever and are always on the lookout for a new female to bang or a new perversion to try. After nutting, we have this recovery period where we believe we are finally freed from sexual desire but it never lasts more than a few hours. This proves sex does not lead to the ataraxy that should accompany a life well lived.

Yes indeed. The famous ship of Theseus paradox.

There is indeed no way to prove anything in these matters.

I have described "believing in God" as a cope, however it is perhaps the only actual working cope out there. Everything else is definitely a bad cope, and most religious denominations share my point of view.

Religion really does change everything. Just compare the medieval view of the world to what we have today. Everything was ordered, there was a clear reason to put up with the shitty aspects of life(so you could go to heaven forever), believe in God and follow the church for support whenever you need it, etc. Nowadays there’s nothing there, and really no compelling reason to actually try to survive and/or thrive if you’re already pretty much irreversibly fucked on a genetic, mental, or physical level from birth.

I don’t know if people ever really adapted to a fundamentally secular worldview.

 

[Fontaine]

Most soyboys believe in edgy nihilism tho since it's the basis of the modern left

Nope, normies believe in a weird washed-down Christianity derived from heretical Protestantism

Religion really does change everything. Just compare the medieval view of the world to what we have today. Everything was ordered, there was a clear reason to put up with the shitty aspects of life(so you could go to heaven forever), believe in God and follow the church for support whenever you need it, etc. Nowadays there’s nothing there, and really no compelling reason to actually try to survive and/or thrive if you’re already pretty much irreversibly fucked on a genetic, mental, or physical level from birth.

I don’t know if people ever really adapted to a fundamentally secular worldview.

I agree, I don't think it's possible to be a mentally healthy atheist. If you look closely, most atheists are actually very religious. They venerate Truth, "Progress", the State, Karl Marx, alien civilizations and exoplanets, etc. They basically fall back to idolatry

 

[Deleted member 4159]

JFL at calling this the "gray" pill.

This, my friend, is the blackest of all blackpills.

The sheer darkness of this pill is immeasurable, with the might of a thousand black holes imploding within themselves inwardly and outwardly.

 

[Gremlincel]

However, I think it is the best theory we have to explain certain absurd behaviors, like seeking glory on a battlefield. The white nationalist explanation ("you can't understand the beauty of dying in battle because you are a Jew") is unsatisfying.

Hm, you think that seeking glory in battle and the like is some form of terror management? How so?

 

[FuckFace]

Smart people don't fear death, only pain.

 

[Fontaine]

Hm, you think that seeking glory in battle and the like is some form of terror management? How so?

Martyrdom is an attempt to hasten an inevitable biological death in exchange for symbolic immortality or soul immortality

- Guy who dies for "ideas": his ideas live on, so a part of his mind lives on
- Guy who dies for fatherland: dies for similar genes / culture (similar brains) and will have his name remembered (a part of his identity)
- Guy who dies for Allah: dies for the salvation of his soul and also his ideas

Patriotism is declining nowadays because countries have become too diverse and multicultural: altruism must be somewhat selfish to work out, and citizens don't recognize themselves in their neighbors anymore

White nationalism is an attempt to make martyrdom meaningful again by re-increasing genetic and cultural similarity between citizens

White nationalism is going to fail because more effective copes than martyrdom are becoming available to manage the fear of death, such as longevity pills or cryonics

 

[Aleus]

"Dude we'll all die anyway lol"
<100 IQ thread to be honest. I do agree with you that a lot of human activities have its roots in the desire for immortality, but it's certainly not the only one. The desire for a white ethnostate, for example, has its roots not only in wanting to continue the existence of a race, of which one is a part, but also by negative past experiences these people have had with non-whites.
All of these endeavours for a prolonged existence are ultimately meaningless. We will all be forgotten at some point and our race will evolve to a point where they share little to nothing in common with us. But isn't it a good thing to deceive oneself, if this deception leads to a more meaningful and happy life? People who don't have children, who don't believe in anything or have any real purpose in life end up miserable.

 

[Fontaine]

"Dude we'll all die anyway lol"
<100 IQ thread to be honest. I do agree with you that a lot of human activities have its roots in the desire for immortality, but it's certainly not the only one. The desire for a white ethnostate, for example, has its roots not only in wanting to continue the existence of a race, of which one is a part, but also by negative past experiences these people have had with non-whites.
All of these endeavours for a prolonged existence are ultimately meaningless. We will all be forgotten at some point and our race will evolve to a point where they share little to nothing in common with us. But isn't it a good thing to deceive oneself, if this deception leads to a more meaningful and happy life? People who don't have children, who don't believe in anything or have any real purpose in life end up miserable.

I like deception and coping, but I dislike people who have no self-awareness. While you have self-awareness (you have admitted that WNism is a substitute for immortality), the average Stormfront guy or /pol bro is completely clueless about the emotional roots of his political beliefs.

 

[Aleus]

I like deception and coping, but I dislike people who have no self-awareness. While you have self-awareness (you have admitted that WNism is a substitute for immortality), the average Stormfront guy or /pol bro is completely clueless about the emotional roots of his political beliefs.

Sure, but why would you want to make them self-aware? It's like telling a little child that Santa doesn't exist. In their mind, fighting for the existence of the White race is not a cope. It's not deception. Making them self aware of this fact would rob them the purpose and happiness they feel in this activity. It's ultimately better for everybody not to be aware of this fact.

 

[11gaijin]

No matter how far you ascend, there's always another cope. JFL at existence.

high iq

 

[DarkLizardLuck]

My point is; the illusion that something can matter is (it is said) is so powerful that to have been born at all to know you missed out on it seems like a cruel joke. Admittedly I should have made that clearer, but intoxication has slowed my mind.

Oh, okay, that makes sense. I’m torn because to me objective meaning most certainly feels like a lie but like you said it’s such an incredibly beautiful lie that part of me wishes I had the option to experience it and it feels scathingly unfair that I’ve been denied that experience. But then on the other hand maybe that meaning is like the entertainment in Wallace’s Infinite Jest, this thing that is so compelling and so literally captivating that it takes over and they experience this beautiful dream over and over until they inevitably die. Part of me wonders if maybe there is freedom in not having experienced this. Maybe that sort of meaning is a sirens call that would prevent me from experiencing anything other than it’s beautiful, compelling farce? Idk, this conversation may be above my level of education, I mostly just like to read and think about things but I didn’t go to college and did shit in school who knows if my conclusions make any sense? Anyway, it seems to me like it’s a hard thing to tease out and underneath it all is this aching knowledge that even if that sort of meaning were poison, if I had been born differently I am sure I would have grasped for it. Part of me is incredibly angry that I won’t ever have the opportunity to do so and another part is angry that out of weakness and need I likely would have turned away from the truth of things in the act of grabbing. It’s all a jumbled mess really but I think I get where you’re coming from.

 

[gylo]

Holy shit there's too much to read in this thread.

OP put it very well. Pretty much everything is a distraction that keeps us from confronting the terror of our own mortality. Everything is cope, as we will all die and our exploits will die too. We are chained to our biological imperative but too self aware and realize we're just animals.

This is the only thought that makes me happy, knowing all Chads will die, as will I. Every human understands this, but their coping keeps their mind off it.

 

[L9xddddd]

When i was 7 I used to cry about how everything I do will be meaningless after I died. I watched cartoons to cope